Current Events > Reminder that the Church of Scientology must be forcibly shut down

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This take is colder than the planet Hoth

This take is colder than the planet Hoth

Tax churches.

so what's the plan

the church shouldn't be shut down but it should be investigated with people like miscaivage likely deserving prison for abuse and kidnapping and it should absolutely not be tax exempt and free to continue operating like a corporation that bullies people. if it loses its tax exempt status and the criminals in charge are prosecuted weirdos should still be free to associate with the remainder if they want

so what's the plan

1. Historically, Christianity is done far more damage than Scientology

The Catholic church needs to be forcefully shut down. They cause way more damage than Scientology, and wield far more power.

The government continues to allow this destructive cult to exist.

This board jsut strisght up wants to abolish the constitution at this point eh XD

"The solution to our problems is to ban any ideals we don't like or deem harmful snd to imprison anyone who disagrees "

Even noting scientologist long and detailed history's of criminal activity you cent just forcibly shut it down unless you can prove no one actually believs in it

1. Historically, Christianity is done far more damage than Scientology

How did they destroy you?

The Catholic church needs to be forcefully shut down. They cause way more damage than Scientology, and wield far more power.

"You can't shut down a criminal organization that rapes and murders people. Some people base their belief system around that cult! Muh free speech!"

Maybe Enron should have called themsleves a religion. They could have gotten away with massive fraud!

Why you hate the victims of cults so much? They deserve justice.

Organized religion was the biggest mistake humanity ever made. America is a joke for letting it get abused so hard that any jackass who wants to amass money and power can do it tax-free as long as he can convince a few people it's a spirituality.

Organized religion was the biggest mistake humanity ever made.

What kind of weird question is that?

Scientology is, by defintion, a destructive cult. I've also never been hit by a wrecking ball, but I know wrecking balls destroy buildings.

Most corporations employee people that rape and murder people, but you can't shut down entire corporations because of it no

Like I said if you csn prove no part of the religion actually believes in it you may have a case. But you can't.

Justice is not removing peoples freedoms In retribution, justice is punishing those responsible.

Like I said, our right to believe in things is a fundamental human right that is as natural as the desire for food and water.

You cannot legislate that right away from humans, regardless of how ridiculous you find their beliefs; and not also be a fascist authoritarian.

You can ban people from doing things that harm others, you cannot ban people from thinking a certain way or believing a certain thing. Trust me, its been attempted and has never worked out for either the side that advocated for it, nor the side that ended up beufn affected by these attempts.

Regulation of criminal activity; monitoring of individual suspects and if needed legal action against these is the solution. Banning any church outright is straight up anti freedom.

These "solutions " are naive, juvenile. They solve no problems, they create several.

No that was Twitter.

How would you know that if you've never seen it?

Most corporations employee people that rape and murder people, but you can't shut down entire corporations because of it no

Justice is not removing peoples freedoms In retribution, justice is punishing those responsible.

Like I said, our right to believe in things is a fundamental human right that is as natural as the desire for food and water.

You cannot legislate that right away from humans, regardless of how ridiculous you find their beliefs; and not also be a fascist authoritarian.

You can ban people from doing things that harm others, you cannot ban people from thinking a certain way or believing a certain thing. Trust me, its been attempted and has never worked out for either the side that advocated for it, nor the side that ended up beufn affected by these attempts.

Regulation of criminal activity; monitoring of individual suspects and if needed legal action against these is the solution. Banning any church outright is straight up anti freedom.

No, but when the corporation is full of high-level corruption, they can and have been shut down. Even if not intentional, it's hard for a company to continue running when all the money was fraudulently earned and everyone in charge goes to prison. Scientology's crimes aren't "Some random person who claims to follow their religion did a bad thing". The rot starts at the very top and regular non-Hollywood members are, by design, psychologically abused at best.

To frame Scientology as a good-faith institution with a few bad actors is extremely disingenuous. Literal abuse is the backbone of its operation. And the best you can give me is "But some people really believe in it! Freedom!"

Did I say we need to lock up every member of the Sea Org in a brainwashing pod until they are compliant? Make it illegal to believe in Xenu or thetans?

I didn't say anything about what people merely believe. Your argument that every cult has a human right to exist is untrue

Like I said. Its a well made machine that definitely employs corruption but its well made becsuse it forces those whod wish to take it down to reaaaally confront their ideas of individual agency in these things.

I mean... might as well have.

No, it's quite true actually. You can't disagree with this and then say you're ok with believes being legal and allowed.

i can feel via cosmic energy that Xenu is in absolute shambles after this thread

Why? Scientologists are the archenemies of Lord Xenu, attacking them is doing his good work.

Because if enough people don't believe in Xenu, he ceases to exist. Like Santa Claus.

IMO arresting the leaders because they've been committing crimes and that happens to result in the organization shutting down is very different from shutting an organization down. The first gives it the possibility to continue if the non-criminal members are willing to do the work to keep things running.

The organization we know would absolutely be shut down if its leaders were arrested for their crimes

This board

I think less than 1% of Scientologists actually hear about the Xemu story, you have to be super black belt in Scientology and have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in courses. You are also expressly forbidden from googling about him under penalty of being kicked out from the church.

historically mosquitos have done far more damage than both combined. that isn't really relevant though kinda like your comment. we shouldn't be 'shutting down' any religion, they should just all lose tax exempt status and be held to account for illegal shit.

No, it's just because Miscavige is deliberately secretive (one interview in his life) and the church can pay off people from looking too hard. They bought like an entire city. It has nothing to do with them making people "confront their ideas of individual agency". Now it sounds like you're getting into "They were asking for it." Scientology breaks up families and threatens to leave you penniless if you defect. It's standard abuse.

Because I said a criminal organization should be taken down for its crimes, which would make the continued existence of said organization untenable?

So you're really mad and find it fascist that NXIVM, The Manson Family, Koresh's Branch Davidians, Peoples Temple, etc were destroyed by the extensive crimes of their leaders?

You're getting close to saying we can't even go after the crimes if there's a risk it can destroy the entire operation.

Why you hate the victims of cults so much?

This board jsut strisght up wants to abolish the constitution at this point eh XD

"The solution to our problems is to ban any ideals we don't like or deem harmful snd to imprison anyone who disagrees "

Even noting scientologist long and detailed history's of criminal activity you cent just forcibly shut it down unless you can prove no one actually believs in it

Wonder if any CEmen will actually do anything tho