Board 8 > Long Past Dinner, Episode 4 Begins! *UMINEKO PLAYTHROUGH, NO FUTURE SPOILERS*

(+) Yeah! (+)

fffff how'd i forget hibuta

soooo good

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Ryoko
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1st Twilight - Natsuhi, Rudolf, Hideyoshi, Genji, Eva, Rosa
2nd Twilight - Jessica & George
4th Twilight - Kanon
5th Twilight - Shannon
6th Twilight - Nanjo
7th Twilight - Krauss
8th Twilight - Kyrie
Still Alive: Battler, Maria, Kumasawa, Gohda, Kinzo

- Dammit, it's not even midnight. I can't even rank these guys before the next day comes. Dammit.
- Don't believe, Battler. IT'S A TRICK! SMOKE AND MIRRORS! Hercule, winner of a Tenkaichi Budokai and people's champion, should come in here with his massive amounts of anti-magic toxin and save the day.
- Don't accept it Battler! You haven't seen or spoken with Kinzo yet. HE IS NOT ALIVE

o_O

What the ****? What the hell music?

BATTLEREYES

God I HATE this chapter. Everyone's eyes are going nuts.

- Indeed. This is the first time they've spoken to each other in a game. Battler'sd efenses have been borken and he doesn't even know it.
- Haaa! Kinzo's doing Maria's test. And hasn't spoken on the phone for Battler to hear. He's definitely dead.
- Oh... damn ;_;. They... just couldn't take it... ;_;
- Surprised they haven't shown up as dead yet though. Usually when Battler or the others witness the crime scene, they show up as dead immediately. Could they not be Gohda and Kumasawa? Or perhaps Battler's loss of antimagic toxin means nothing is assured? Or even that the Blue Text/Red Text game this time means nothing is set in stone until the last minute?
- Nope, screw that. George is dead. Shot through the head. No corpse info for Kumsawa and Gohda, but George? Hmm... There's something to that.
- Even assuring himself Gohda and Kumasawa are dead... interesting. Gohda is a sniper, Kumasawa was in the tunnels, Genji killed Jessica? Who killed George?
- A box? What's a box doing here? Why's there a box here? What's with this box?
- Music? No... that's... IT'S MIDNIGHT!!!
- I like this Bishop analogy. Battler had to move to a black square.

"It's starting to look like someone knocked an ink bottle over the chessboard of this island."

To paraphrase, Battler: "This is me, yo, right here."

- Hahaha, drunk Beatrice.
- XD, I'll choose you, Beatrice. I love you.
- Flat-chested lolis with long black hair? I think Beatrice would be kind to that. Bye Bernkastel!
- XD, perverts! Drunk and awesome perverts. Battler & Beatrice are a match made in hell.
- XD bust size guessing should be the test!
- Aww. Actual story.
- Another sin?

Six years ago, no person called Beatrice existed for me.

The sin I am now demanding that you remember is not between Ushiromiya Battler and Beatrice.
- hmm... what is it?

Ushiromiya Battler has a sin.
- Great, I get to pick from seven of 'em.

Because of your sin, people die.
- Wait, what? Is it what led to Rokkenjima?

Due to your sin, a great many humans on this island die.
- Is it Pride? No... that's against Beatrice and not believing her. Envy? Of Ange? Leaving for six years... no.. what is it. Would I be able to guess based on information so far?

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Abed: It's the first season of Lost on DVD. Pierce: That's the meaning of Christmas?
Abed: No it's a metaphor. It represents lack of payoff.

Episode 4 so awesome. It's like it totally gets your hopes up that they might actually be able to win for once, and then you end up getting your hopes thoroughly dashed. I think I was literally pounding my fists on the table in frustration after everything played out. What a wild ride.

Mortal Stampede the best

(Vote for it in Ed Bellis's VGM contest)

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From: Mega Mana | #252
Would I be able to guess based on information so far?

People have solved Umineko by Episode 4. It is explicitly stated that everything necessary to solve Umineko is in Episodes 1-4 and future Episodes have lots of hints.

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No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck.

Yeah, basically, by the time you get to the end of Episode 4, you're supposed to have everything you need to solve the mystery.

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Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX!
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Due to your sin, a great many humans on this island die. No one escapes all die.
- Refusing the first game? Battler is a cause of this tragedy... why?

BATTLER EYES

- Is... Beatrice quitting? She is no longer interested because Battler doesn't understand? What kind of trick is she pulling?
- finnish
- Beatrice is taking over for Beatrice?
- Party in the foyer?

KINZO EYES

- Maria passed, but Beatrice isn't satisfied.

KINZO EYES

- And Kinzo bursts into flames. Always incinerated. He's definitely dead. No contact with Battler at all.
- And Gaap gets flash frozen.
- And the study shows no sign of life or magic. How convenient.
- Was the sin... Battler made up the riddle int he first place? Something he said to Kinzo that changed reality in the past for him and his perspective?
- Geez, Beatrice. I had to stomach, we all had to, endless amounts of ANGE angst and Maria crap and you give us this bull? Come on. It was just getting good!
- Ooh, is Battler even qualified to be her opponent?

My name is Ushiromiya Battler.

- Oooh, Ange knows what's up. But what is it?

I am the Golden Witch, Beatrice. And I opened this game in order to fight Ushiromiya Kinzo's grandchild Ushiromiya Battler.

Ushiromiya Battler's mother is Ushiromiya Asumu. My name is Ushiromiya Battler. It was from Ushiromiya Asumu that Ushiromiya Battler was born. It was from Ushiromiya-
- Whoa... is Battler... not...?

Due to the previous demand to repeat, and the subsequent refusal, I proclaim that you are not my opponent. After all, Beatrice opened this game, in order to fight with 'Ushiromiya Kinzo's Grandchild Ushiromiya Battler.' This gave you the responsibility as my opponent, to declare in red that you are 'Ushiromiya Kinzo's grandchild Ushiromiya Battler.' You have refused to repeat that. This means the loss of your qualifications.

I am Ushiromiya Battler.

People's names are not exclusive. There is a possiblity that multiple humans have the name Ushiromiya Battler. In short, this is what it means. ......You are a different person with the same first and last names as Ushiromiya Asumu's son Ushiromiya Battler.

BATTLER EYES.
- Also, Asumu isn't a blood relative of Kinzo. Rudolf is. Battler needs to prove he is Rudolf's son, his blood, and it doesn't matter who his mother really is. If he's adopted, though, well, sucks to be him.

You are not Ushiromiya Asumu's son.

- Six years ago, Battler was... DEAD?! And Battler is in place for Rudolf and inheritance? What's going on? WHAT?!
- C'mon, Battler. Turn over the chess board. Proclaim yourself from your dad's side! Say without a doubt that you are the grandchild! That's what Beatrice is fishing for right? Grandchild. You've been goaded into tunneling on your mother, but you could be a brother from another mother! GRANDCHILD! RUDOLF! USE THEM! THEY ARE YOUR BLOOD!

Dammit... it's useless... it's all useless...

I like how Battler's just comletely disappeared, much like Rosa's husband.

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Pyre GIR (9:26:57 PM): You lack a basic grasp of human nature that can only be learned through living
IamSoCool84321 (9:28:07 PM): ur dumb

Well, good game everybody.

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"Wolverine received no points whatsoever." ~ HolyExcalibur on Board 8's Top 100 Fictional Characters of 2010

By the way, Episode 4 isn't over until you've done the tea parties. Go to those immediately when you finish it.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

That part of the episode ticked me off because the misdirection (and the subsequent solution) is obvious. It shouldn't have even been an issue.

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Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX!
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Also, believe the song's Hibuta:

Why Secret of Mana? I thought it was a boss theme or maybe flying, but I honestly have no idea looking songs up. Does anyone know else feel like 0:15-0:20 sounds just like something out of Secret of Mana? >_>

Maybe I've confused music again. <_<

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“So we’ve cornered Andy and Kyle in the Swarts stairwell and then this guy comes out of NO WHERE like ****ing Batman or something.” ; ExTha is the man

Hmm...

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

You finished the main episode, right? Were you able to read those words that flashed by at the very end? If you want I can post them, they are pretty important.

No I don't believe I've actually finished. Just decided to take break after Battler disappeared. Damn. I was hoping the episode went on another full day with Maria and Ange stuff, closed rooms, and actual dead bodies.

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Sir Chris has replaced Metroid Composite.
Sir Chris has been killed. He was a Marine, Town Vanilla (KN1)

He's still got a ways to go actually, I think.

Not a long ways, but still a good bit left.

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Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX!
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I meant to play this today. Didn't even realize it was so late. DAMN YOU TV TROPES AND LET'S PLAY LINKS!!!

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"Guys, until I can find the queue without modding myself, I think you'll be okay.
No guarantees about the others though." - Ngirl

DOO DOP DIPPITY

PREVIOUSLY ON UMINEKO!

Ange finally shut up and allowed the Rokkenjima murders to finally take place. However, unlike previous games, every was killed on October 4th, a day before these things usually happened. After Goldsmith melted the faces off six people at the dinner party with his Care Bare Stare, everyone spent the next hour or so kicking ass to awesome music with excellent fight scenes and comeuppance moments. Of course, demons are a lot trickier than you'd expect and they all died. Some used the phone to contact Battler before they died who until meeting with Beatrice at midnight had not been involved with a single damn thing that night. He never spoke with Kinzo, he never saw these magical deaths, he only talked to a few people over a phone just before their deaths while they were on an acid trip. Sadly, Battle drank the Kool-aid and talked to Beatrice in the end. Because he didn't remember ever not being Battler or Asumu's son, Beatrice used the red truth against him and made him vanish from existence. We return now to a Battler-less world.

A whole lot ****ing better than "Maria went shopping and ate yogurt. Uu~"

DUNNA DA DA, DUN DA DUN DAAAA, DUN NA NAA, DADADADADADA DUN DAAAAAAAAA DUN DUN DA!

- Beatrice is still disappointed with Battler for not being a worthy opponent. I am too. If he were worthy, he'd argue in favor of his father because he is the Ushiromiya bloodline, not Asumu. If Rudolf knocked up a different woman for Battle,r he's still Kinzo's blood. Silly Battler.
- Beatrice and Maria started this witches' circle? I did not know that.
- Hey! It's 1998! I'm actually looking forward to Ange stuff now that she's going to Rokkenjima.
- Oh come on, Ange, this jazzy music is awesome. Play Marvel vs. Capcom 2 with Amakusa! Wonder what teams everyone would choose...
- There's... another harbor? A second face which no one knows about. Two harbors, two mansions, demon-human analogues...
- Who knew: Boat Captain, Kinzo, Genji, Dr. Nanjo, Kumasawa
- Kuwadorian Mansion, the biggest secret? I'm sure there's an even bigger secret because we learned about the mansion in episode 3. There's got to be more.
- 1968 = no more passage to Kuwadorian harbor? No more need to bring food and take out trash?
- 1986 - 1968 = 18 years. Maybe Battler is Beatrice's kid? Killed her in childbirth or something?
- Or... right, game three! Eva killed... no, what did happen to Beatrice? Was it Rosa or Eva that led her out of the garden? Hmm... episode 3 was so looong ago. Damn you, Ange and Maria for being so godawfully boring.
- Ange alone.
- Tokyo metropolis, at Kuwadorian? Ha!
- Beautiful scenery of these hills.
- I hear the seagulls cry.
- Without love, it cannot be seen.
- Ange to bring back pre-Rosa beatdown Maria. Come on, do it, kihihihihi
- But... the wind never ceases!

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"Wolverine received no points whatsoever." ~ HolyExcalibur on Board 8's Top 100 Fictional Characters of 2010

- Holy ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *crazy surprise evil music in 5... 4... 3...*
- Asumu is scary =D
- No, Ange, you are nothing like Kyrie. Kyrie is awesome. You are, quite often, the opposite of awesome.
- Asumu Surageera
- Asumu Suangryera
- Asumu S* ***era. So fitting for her quick-to-anger and piece of crap personality
- Make her some tea, XD
- The older sister Kyrie bore the responsibility of everything while Kasumi lived like a spoiled princess
- Oh god, does Eva always look like that? Because in the black and white, those remind me of Kinzo eyes. Ffff, damn you Goldsmith!!!
- Pushing pain onto other people. Eva to Ange, Rosa to Maria, Asumu to Kyrie, Ange to Maria... Beatrice to Battler?
- =(
- EVATRIIIIICE!
- Evatrice talking to Kasumi. Whisper whisper psst psst psst
- No not the flowers! Crap, Ange's is gonna go SSJ2 on your ass!
- Belittling the things that are important.
- Okay, it's the Sukutarou page that will make her go SSJ2.
- "Magic to always be friends with my beloved mother." is ... "Uu-uu?"
- Fake lyrics to keep singing with mama.
- Arise, the Seven Sisters of Purgatory!
- Is it magic? Or perhaps Amakusa followed along and now has a sniper rifle? =D =D
- Oops, just by saying that, I probably killed the seven sisters and Ange.
- Evatrice into Eva!

Taking a long break for VGM Bracket

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“So we’ve cornered Andy and Kyle in the Swarts stairwell and then this guy comes out of NO WHERE like ****ing Batman or something.” ; ExTha is the man

evatrice <3

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"Get out of my way!" "Find another way!"
I want you to look at me! NOBODY EVER LOOKS AT ME!

From: Mega Mana | #267
- Is it magic? Or perhaps Amakusa followed along and now has a sniper rifle? =D =D
- Oops, just by saying that, I probably killed the seven sisters and Ange.

I laughed.

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No amount of planning will ever replace dumb luck.

- Is it magic? Or perhaps Amakusa followed along and now has a sniper rifle? =D =D
- Oops, just by saying that, I probably killed the seven sisters and Ange.

hahaha

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Well played.

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yup

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

I knew I forgot to get back to something.

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"But...gorillas don't have claws." - Azazel22
"Broccoli gorillas do." - McMoogle

none today

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"yeah but i seriously doubt anybody ... is going to be casually browsing through someone's credit report between bites of a baconator" - Ryoko

LAST TIME ON UMINEKO Z!

Ange: "Rokkenjima, ho! You stay here, Amakusa."
Amakusa: "k"
Ange: "This island is beautiful. I think I'm here to die."
Asumu: "I can arrange that MWAHAHA!"
Ange: "Tearing those pages has caused the bird of peace to fly away. SSJ2 Magical Being ANGE is operational. Stake Summoning Ceremony is complete. Do we have a kill order?"
Evatrice: "NOT SO FAST, ANGE!"

And now our thrilling conclusion! DUNNA DA DA , DUN DUNNA DAAA DA DA DA DUNNA DADADADADAAAA DADA DA!

- And we're right into the creepy music. Well, awesome music, and the whispers.
- Eva: "Then this is farewell." - And now comes the wind.
- EXPLODING GUN? WHAT?! MAMMON OF GREED!
- I love how when Mammon slashed the gun,t here was that gunshot. And when Eva's gun blew up, there was that echoing shot noise again. Of course it's magic. =D =D =D
- Wait, what? Did Mammon just pass? Evatrice? Or did Ange just get shot too?
- Hey, Bernkastel. What's up?
- Wait, hold on. I know Ange is aware that Bernkastel is deceiving her about her family now... but doesn't that revelation, that moment of deception-recognition come after this point? When she's taking a break from helping Battler fighting off KINZOEYES? Lambadelta and her amazing musical entrance? So... either timelines mean nothing in the Umineko universe and knowledge flows through this porous flashback/flashforawrd/flashsideways timeline or, hopefully, this takes place before Lambdadelta's confrontation and ANGE is just deceiving that witch, which will soon lead into an epic "OBJECTION!" type scene with everyone int he courtroom wondering who the hell spoke up and there's Gretel back from her silence to right the wrongs and restore Battler to the game and put an end to this episode. Because if that doesn't happen, if this comes after the Lambdadelta thing and this is that resolution... well, ****. How pointless is this whole Ange story then?

- And there we go! ANGE SHALL FIGHT BACK!
- Only two witches? Huh.
- Hey, look, best mama ever.
- oof, Sakutarou. Ange has some precision striking.
- Ha! Ange has summoned Sakutarou plenty of times so Beatrice saying she can't is a fat lie! GO GO ANGE
- "I can." Okay, Ange is awesome again.
- Conflict!

This is my Golden Land, a world where magic that isn't mine certainly cannot exist.
- Accepted. But since you taught Maria her magic, and Maria taught Ange... it is your magic.

- Yes, why is that Ange? Love?

My magic was not able to revive Sakutarou.
- Because you are not a real witch. Why should Battler have to compete against a witch that isn't real? A false opponent.

That stuffed animal is a special stuffed animal! Made by Rosa for her daughter's birthday, and in the entire world, the only.
- Oh, so the people you kill and resurrect as many times an episode as you want AREN'T unique and the only ones in the world?

- The Witch of Resurrection!
- Every emotion a human can muster! Only three!
- Scraped together? Excellent visual

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"Why does Valve not allow me to melt down this garbage into metal? I will never use them and nobody will ever take them. I am mad." - Bio on crates

Ushiromiya Battler is not Ushiromiya Asumu's son.
- Ha, and there's Ange's play. Can't deny Kinzo's grandchild.

The one who is qualified to be Beato's opponent is 'Kinzo's grandchild Ushiromiya Battler,' and whether you are 'Asumu's son' is not a problem. Thus, even if you are not Asumu's son, you can be Kinzo's grandchild. As long as you are Rudolf's son!

Ange is,....... my little sister.

You can't trust anything, you can't trust any words that aren't red...!!

Come home quickly, Onii-chan!! Don't leave me all alone!!
It's me, it's Ange...!! Dad and Mom and Onii-chan, no one comes home!! I'm lonely!! I beg you, come home quickly!
That's right, I'm Ange!! The Ushiromiya Ange of a world where no one comes home...!! .......My entire family..never came home from Rokkenjima that day...!!
- Now this may just refer to immediates, but... then Eva did not come either. Unless, that's a metaphor for her soul.

THe witch before your eyes stole away my whole family, even you, Onii-chan...! ........Only you can finish her, Onii-chan!! Finish her...!!
- MORTAL KOMBAAAAAT

Then, take your family back!! And then, come home to me......!!!

- And Beatrice is back to the ***** we all know and love. Toys, they're all toys!
- Poor Ange.

BATTLERFACE!

- Please kill me quickly. If you don't, you will die.

==== END ====

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"Wolverine received no points whatsoever." ~ HolyExcalibur on Board 8's Top 100 Fictional Characters of 2010

yeeeees

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

THe witch before your eyes stole away my whole family, even you, Onii-chan...! ........Only you can finish her, Onii-chan!! Finish her...!!
- MORTAL KOMBAAAAAT

Okay, that one was pretty great.

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"As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick

Okay, now that you actually have finished the main episode (sorry for before), would you like me to post that text that flashes by at the end? It is a pretty important in hindsight, and a lot of people were never able to actually read it.

From: Nanaya27 | #279
Okay, now that you actually have finished the main episode (sorry for before), would you like me to post that text that flashes by at the end? It is a pretty important in hindsight, and a lot of people were never able to actually read it.

I got "Please kill me quickly" and "If you don't" "you will die". There were one or two others, but my last save point was with Evatrice. I can check it out again if you want.

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IamSoCool84321 (9:28:07 PM): ur dumb

PRE-TEA PARTY/???? RANKINGS:


MYOTISMON TIER
Ronove
George
Battler
Kyrie

DEVIMON TIER
Lambdadelta
Krauss
ANGE
Amakusa
Beelzebub

PIEDMON TIER
Jessica
Beatrice
Kanon
Shannon
Rudolf
Mammon

PUPPETMON TIER
Boat Captain
Sakutarou
Kumasawa
Loser Goat
Asmodeus

METALSEADRAMON TIER
Dr. Nanjo
Hideyoshi
Bernkastel
Maria
Genji
Lucifer

MACHINEDRAMON TIER
Gohda
MARIA
Tetsurou
Nanjo's Son
Professor Ootsuki
Kumasawa's Son
Satan

ETEMON TIER
Ange
Gaap
Eva
Goats (plural)
Kasumi
Virgilia
Belphegor

DEMIDEVIMON TIER
Evatrice
Siesta Sister 00
Siesta Sister 45
Siesta Sister 410
Rosa
Leviathan

APOCALYMON TIER
Kinzo / Goldsmith

And there's a hidden tier above Myotismon Tier. Wanna see it?
















WIZARDMON TIER
Blue Goukaiger. With five swords. Five of them.

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I'd include Nanako and other people I referenced more than a few times, but they'd fall around around Puppetmon Tier.

From: Mega Mana | #1360
I got "Please kill me quickly" and "If you don't" "you will die". There were one or two others, but my last save point was with Evatrice. I can check it out again if you want.

I'll just post the images.

Here's hoping the Tea Parties aren't terrifying like Episode 2's!

- Just before midnight of the second day. Yesss.
- Hmm... this is either Battler, or possibly Maria?
- Nope, Battler. No twists here about Maria not realizing she got Sakutarou back and is pissed there's no golden land or anyone comes back to life and becomes the antagonist for episode 5.
- What's in the chapel, Maria?
- There's the first six bodies. And so quietly revealed. I liked that. All six gunshot-like to the head.
- Oh... Maria. =(
- Ninja Mansion =P
- You just know there's no magic involved when George's guts were torn apart to die, but then he's revived and given a bullet-hole shaped wound out of respect.
- Good question.
- Okay, yeah, putting the stake in is cool and all, but... doesn't this contradict the Siesta Sisters' golden arrows? Hell, the Stakes were barely even used under Beatrice's watch. So either it was one of those 4+1 shotguns with stake ammo, or something else because this isn't right.
- Welp, the stake did not kill her. That's good news. But all these shots to the head, surely a certain 18th person didn't come back with Ange from the future with his sniper rifle, right?
- Oh, no, I don't mean Amakusa. Someone from Datadyne or the Carrington Institute developed a time travel machine and went here with an Farsight XR-20 for the fun of it. Battler's still alive because they probably got tired of the "MeatSims" and went somewhere with more of a challenge.
- Hahaha, the six-toed corpse strikes again! Battler still never encountered the Meat-puppet that was Goldsmith.
- Hmm, these closed rooms with keys.. still haven't completely figured out. why were they hung?
- It does sound like a blowtorch or something.

Kanon is dead. Among the five people in Kyrie's group, he was the first to die. In short, he was the 9th victim.
- Well, I heard it. And retyping the red truth for the people on Board 8 is my duty. Even if red truth has meant much since Episode 2.
- Obviously everyone was on acid.
-Woo, new music in the rose garden.

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"But...gorillas don't have claws." - Azazel22
"Broccoli gorillas do." - McMoogle

1. Ushiromiya Kinzo is already dead! So the true number of people on the island is 17! By adding in unknown person X, that makers 18 people. By supposing the exitence of this person X, the crime is possible even if all 17 people have alibis. By this, it is still possible for culprit X to exist and carry out the crime even if all 18 people seem to have alibis!!

All of the master keys were under Rosa's control.
- Then Rosa killed everyone in game two >___>

2. Rosa oba-san handed a key over to culprit X by some method, assisting int he closed room murder! And after that, she retrieved the key by a similar method!

3. [All of the third game] can be explained if we suppose that Eva oba-san was the culprit.
4. The murder of Doctor Nanjo can be explained with an 18th unknown person X.

George did not go down the stairs of the guesthouse.
- Could've gone out a window. Person X or Eva locks it behind him?

All windows and doors leading to the outside were locked from the inside. Furthermore, it is impossible to lock any of those from the outside.

5. In that case, everything works out as long as someone locked the window after George-aniki escaped through it!

6. The 18th person X went wild with a gun and killed everyone. Regarding the pitfalls, there is a chance that pitfalls truly were hidden there, and it's possible to explain by Kyrie-san's theory, supposing that poison dart-shooting device X which can knock a person out instantly exists. The murders of George-aniki, Jessica, and those who escaped fromt he dungeon can also be explained with guns, just like the dining hall.
- Hmm, lots of guns, teasing Kyrie with her death for a little while... Kasumi is the culprit? Her demons/goats are her bodyguards?

All those who met at the family conference recognized the existence of Kinzo!
- Battler never encountered him / Meat puppet

7. That Grandfather was a different person, a body double. A different person who the relatives mistook for Grandfather!
- Explains the KINZOEYES

No person would mistake Ushiromiya Kinzo by sight. No matter what the disguise, they would not mistake Ushiromiya Kinzo.
- Meat puppet.

8. By proclaiming with the red turth int he second game that the true number of master keys was five, when in the first game the number could have been more than five, you changed the premises of later games. In the same way, there is a possibility that Kinzo's life or death status was changed for the 4th game. Therefore, Kinzo's existence in the fourth game does not server as proof that he existed in the previous games...! Therefore, even if we suppose that the six murders in the dining hall were carried out by Grandfather, it doesn't create any contradictions.

Kinzo's life or death status is the same at the start of each of the four games. The setup was not different for the fourth game alone...!
- But he wasn't Kinzo. He was "Goldsmith."
- Refused Kinzo was alive at the start of every game.

OH YOU HAVE GOT TO BE ****ING KIDDING ME!

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"Guys, until I can find the queue without modding myself, I think you'll be okay.
No guarantees about the others though." - Ngirl

Go on.

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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

No.

When Battler is alone in the tea party hanging out and solving all of Beatrice's riddles, there's ABSOLUTELY NO ****ING REASON FOR THE GHOST OF KINZO TO POP UP AND KINZOEYES KINZOEYES KINZOEYES!

IT'S USELESS! IT'S ALL USELESS!

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Pyre GIR (9:26:57 PM): You lack a basic grasp of human nature that can only be learned through living
IamSoCool84321 (9:28:07 PM): ur dumb

You wimp.

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"Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?"
"I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!"

9. My theory is that Kinzo's name is passed on as the title of the Ushiromiya family head! Ushiromiya Kinzo was already dead. And he passed 'that name' on to someone else! Everyone acknowledged that!! That way, 'All of those who met at the family conference recognized the existence of Kinzo'!!

10. There wasn't any need to disguise themselves as Grandfather. Because everyone recognized a new 'Kinzo'! Therefore, 'they didn't actually mistake Kinzo by sight'!! As long as the preceding theory is not denied, nothing can change the fact that you are dead!!!
- Among all there, not one had multiple different names is refused. Also, Kinzoface kinzoface kinzoface.

11. Ushiromiya Kinzo was already dead! That's right, you sure are pitiable, since whenever we find your corpse, it's alrady completely burnt. That was a device to make it so that no one noticed the fact that time had passed since your death!! And you passed the name onto someone else!! With the previous theory, even though 'you' were dead, 'Kinzo' was able to appear at the family conference!!! How's that? This is checkmaaaaaaate!!

12. George-aniki and Jessica's deaths int he fourth game can also be explained by culprit X!! And the five who escaped from the dungeon and were killed, and the two in the gardening shed, and Maria in the end! All of those can be explained with 18th person X!! There's nothing strange at all!!

Kinzo is already dead at the starting time for all games!
Before now, I have proclaimed that no more than 18 humans exist on this island. I will lower that by one for Kinzo!! No more than 17 humans exist on this island!! That excludes any 18th person. In short, this 18th person X does not exist!! This applies to all games!!!

1. There is nothing strange about the murder of the six relatives that were found in the gardening shed in the beginning! The crime was possible for any of those who didn't have an alibi!!

2. Eva & Hideyoshi: Both were killed by another person! It is not the case that, after the construction of the closed room, one of them committed suicide after committing murder! Furthermore, the murder was carried out with both the victim and the perpetrator in the same room! No method exists for the perpetrator to commit murder from outside the room!
- Suppose that the culprit was a human without an alibi. In other words, the dead! Among the first six corpses, there were some made unidentifiable because their faces were smashed. One possible theory is that one was actually a fake corpse, and that the culprit X killed those two after pretending to be a victim and hiding away! Then after the closed toom murder was constructed, the culprit hid under the bed, and waited for all of us to leave!!

3. Regarding Kanon: All of the survivors have alibis! Let us include the dead as well!! In short, no kind of human or dead person on the island could have killed Kanon!
- If no one could kill him, then he might have been the one to kill!! Meaning Kanon-kun might have killed himself.
- Kanon did not commit suicide.
- Refused: Kanon's death was a homicide.
- Kanon-kun died for a reason that was neither suicide nor homicide. The details are unknown, but he died from an accident. Due to the Devil's Proof, I refuse to explain what kind of blunder could have led to an accidental death where a stake was driven into his chest!!

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"But...gorillas don't have claws." - Azazel22
"Broccoli gorillas do." - McMoogle

4. Genji/Nanjo/Kumasawa: Maria, who was in the same room, did not kill them! And of course, the three deaths were all due to homicide!
- We can explain the one who performed the murder with culprit X, who hid away using an unidentified corpse. In the first place, their three faces were also smashed. It's completely possible that one of them was a body-double corpse!
- Regarding unidentified corpses, all of their identities are guaranteed. Therefore, no body double tricks exist!
- Then you can explain it with simultaneous murders. Each of them had a gun, pointed it clockwise, and blew each others' faces off at the same time! After that, Maria collected those guns and hid them!!

5. Natsuhi: Natsuhi was killed by another person! There are no unidentified corpses, and all of the survivors have alibis!
- You can explain it with an indirect murder due to trap X! Something was done to Natsuhi oba-san's gun. You can explain it if that was a trap gun, built to send a bullet right into the forehead of anyone who tried to hold it up and shoot it!!
- The bullet buried into Natsuhi's forehead was not fired from Natsuhi's gun!
- There is the possibility that Natsuhi oba-san was lured out be that letter of unknown contents! And she was called out into the hal. Then, she was forced into standing at a specified timed and murdered by trap X, which used a gunt hat had been installed there beforehand!!

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Abed: It's the first season of Lost on DVD. Pierce: That's the meaning of Christmas?
Abed: No it's a metaphor. It represents lack of payoff.

How are you enjoying the music for this scene, by the way?

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Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX!
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Eh, it's alright.

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"But...gorillas don't have claws." - Azazel22
"Broccoli gorillas do." - McMoogle

Wait, has dreamenddischarger started playing by this point or not?

I was under the impression that it had.

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*looks up dreamenddischarger*

Yup, it has been. Meh.

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"well its a mega mana topic so it'll obviously be high quality" - Ryokles

Well, that's an unusual reaction.

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You lose all your previous cool person points.

And you don't like Endless Nine either? Disgusting.

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"As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick

Hell yeah, glad you continued it.

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Oh, I am one yet many.

yay wizardmon tier <333

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Ryoko
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Simple bump

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Sir Chris has replaced Metroid Composite.
Sir Chris has been killed. He was a Marine, Town Vanilla (KN1)

SECOND GAME!

1. Chapel Six: Someone secretly borrowed Maria's key, and secretly returned it to Maria's bag after the crime was over!!
- From the time Maria received her key to the instant Rosa unsealed the envelope the next day, the key passed through no one's hands!!
- There is a possibility that the door had an auto-lock just like Gramps' study. In other words, it was unlocked before the crime, with a rock or something wedged in so it wouldn't close completely. Then

I really should be posting every single thing they say anymore. It was fun when there were maybe fives lines in bold every hour, but now it's just space-filling.

1. Chapel
- Battler proposes someone borrowed Maria's key, but Beatrice says it never passed hands. Battler rebuts with an automatic lock to bypass the key, but Beatrice says no door has an auto-lock besides Kinzo's study. Was one of the six in the chapel the killer? No, because all six were already dead. (Couldn't a seventh person X have killed the other six in the chapel and gotten out or stayed there? Also, wasn't Maria's envelope riddle solved? I forget the answer to that one.) Kumasawa killed everybody! No one hid in the chapel.
- XD, what? Small bombs? XD XD XD. And it sticks?! XD XD XD XD

2. Jessica & Kanon
- Servants.

3. Nanjo & Kumasawa
- Was Kanon alive or dead? Did he kill them? Obviously, they didn't mistake him, but Kanon's name could've been usurped or passed down like Kinzo's name... which makes... some sense? Not really?

The second game is won already? Damn.

GAME THREE:
1. Six Closed Rooms
- With Kinzo dead, Battler's original theory is moot. However ,he proclaims that the adults were in on the murders! Beatrice refutes the use of keys, so Battler proposes poisonous gasses that poisoned their asses. But no! Gunshot wounds with the killer present for each murder! And in response to the keys, he just had to note that the person discovering a body had to pretend to find a key. Excellent reasoning!

- Beatrice getting wicked =P
- Damn, only Nanjo left. I'm still not clear on what happened with him. How appropriate.

2. Nanjo's death
- Someone pretended to be dead earlier, kileld Nanjo, then died somehow by the time he fought EVATRICE.
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...duh >_<

- Oh, Beatrice =/
- Beatrice will kill Battler. Battler is all alone on the island and Beatrice is not him. Also, NEW MUSIC GET!
- And end.
- lol All of the Goats
- 4th game: "Alliance of the Golden Witch"


EP.4 ????
- Yes, a weird direction would be nice. Battler and Beatrice hook-up and they create powerful magic of love! Then the universe explodes.
- XD, Bernkastel's a bit hesitant about the small bombs too =P
- Man, Lambdadelta's cutting downe very single one of Battler's pathetic arguments =D. Lovin' it. Not eonough to start writing up red truths again, no. And yeah, Kanon's name getting passed on was so stupid.
- well, Lambdadelta's just proving to me that Rosa did all this >_>. She was int he chapel when everyone was killed and the keys never elft her control >_>
- Ouch. Beatrice's chances of winning are zero? Poor Beatrice.
- Okay, not scary, but a bit surprising: Bernkastel laughing face.

Excellent off-game commentary.

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Pyre GIR (9:26:57 PM): You lack a basic grasp of human nature that can only be learned through living
IamSoCool84321 (9:28:07 PM): ur dumb

woo. now you can start the best episode (that i've played).

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"Oh God, maplejet's trying to be cool again. I'll call the ambulance." - Wylvane