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UnderUrMattress
09/10/11 5:24:00 PM
#403:


Dexter holy DAMN!

I got the lowest score on my team that tried.

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Jeff Zero
09/10/11 5:24:00 PM
#404:


You people frighten me.

I wish this were based on cultural and historical trivia. >_>;

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Regaro_Ukiera
09/10/11 5:24:00 PM
#405:


From: Ikon | #401
anyways I will say right now that dropping the people who didn't even turn in isn't even a penalty <_<

I could have dropped the two highest scores on Blue and the result would have been the same.


well yes

but when the scores are actually kind of close <_<

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Regaro_Ukiera
09/10/11 5:24:00 PM
#406:


From: Jeff Zero | #404
You people frighten me.

I wish this were based on cultural and historical trivia. >_>;


Also this.

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X_Dante_X
09/10/11 5:25:00 PM
#407:


if only this were structural engineering problems

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Jeff Zero
09/10/11 5:26:00 PM
#408:


Curses, if only this concerned the approximate weight of the recently-discovered 'diamond' planet

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Chronic1000
09/10/11 5:27:00 PM
#409:


Level up Rapid fire/spread/points, sit in one spot, kill.

Do that for an hour. Move around to keep things interesting.

The fact that I like games like that really helped matters.

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JeffreyRaze
09/10/11 5:28:00 PM
#410:


14: JeffreyRaze (4,3,5,1,1)
16: X_Dante_X (1,4,6,2,3)
25: 3DSRage (10*,1,1,3,10*)
26: illumintusbubu (3,8,7,6,2)
27: Warning_Crazy (5,6,4,7,5)
32: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer (7,5,10*,4,6)
33: Jeff Zero (6,9,3,8,7)
33: Regaro_Ukiera (8,7,9,5,4)
34: Luster_Myst (10*,2,2,10*,10*)
37: Dragon6616 (2,10,8,9,8)

Luster, get your ass in here. Despite your good showings you'r the second worst player on our team at the moment.

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Justin_Crossing
09/10/11 5:28:00 PM
#411:


yeah apparently the trick to it was actually not leveling up.

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X_Dante_X
09/10/11 5:28:00 PM
#412:


I am mister consistency

round 3 never happened

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Jeff Zero
09/10/11 5:28:00 PM
#413:


Chronic1000 posted...
Level up Rapid fire/spread/points, sit in one spot, kill.

Do that for an hour. Move around to keep things interesting.

The fact that I like games like that really helped matters.


Even though it's too late I'll take your approach and see what kind of score I can drum up sometime soon. I flailed around a lot, freaking out because of my lack of mouse, complete lack of familarity with WASD, etc.

Basically the jitters in pixel form

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JeffreyRaze
09/10/11 5:33:00 PM
#414:


I think I'm gonna do the same thing I've been doing, but include all players from both teams just to see what that looks like.

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Regaro_Ukiera
09/10/11 5:33:00 PM
#415:


From: Justin_Crossing | #411
yeah apparently the trick to it was actually not leveling up.


I figured that out a while back but wasn't ever any good at it


Of course now that the round's over I'm playing one more for funsies and am having a god-tier run <_<

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JeffreyRaze
09/10/11 5:37:00 PM
#416:


I probably would have done better but I only had the time to do one run >_>

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Regaro_Ukiera
09/10/11 5:39:00 PM
#417:


yeah I got about triple my score on my for-fun run afterwards


and got the 1000 chain trophy which constantly eluded me during the contest <_<

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Jeff Zero
09/10/11 5:40:00 PM
#418:


JeffreyRaze posted...
I probably would have done better but I only had the time to do one run >_>

I only had a chance to do two runs and I still wound up at 1/48 your score.

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Justin_Crossing
09/10/11 5:40:00 PM
#419:


Ikon I think that for specific games you should change the goal slightly so that you're rewarded for actually trying to play the game entirely. Like for that one it would have been the highest level you hit or something (although i have no idea if it shows your level at the end or not). I feel like points for this one wasn't a consistent measurement.

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ff6man
09/10/11 5:47:00 PM
#420:


Justin_Crossing posted...
Ikon I think that for specific games you should change the goal slightly so that you're rewarded for actually trying to play the game entirely. Like for that one it would have been the highest level you hit or something (although i have no idea if it shows your level at the end or not). I feel like points for this one wasn't a consistent measurement.

It was though because if you were smart enough to strategize to the point where you recognized levelling up was a bad thing, you deserved your higher score.

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JeffreyRaze
09/10/11 5:48:00 PM
#421:


From: Justin_Crossing | #419
Ikon I think that for specific games you should change the goal slightly so that you're rewarded for actually trying to play the game entirely. Like for that one it would have been the highest level you hit or something (although i have no idea if it shows your level at the end or not). I feel like points for this one wasn't a consistent measurement.


Level doesn't show on the results screen. But even doing the best method you need to go far enough into the game to get a platinum trophy for how far you went to get the best scores so...

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edwardsdv
09/10/11 5:58:00 PM
#422:


Good work Bluebros. We GOT THIS.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/10/11 6:23:00 PM
#423:


What the ****

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X_Dante_X
09/10/11 6:32:00 PM
#424:


so basically on average the teams are even, its just their higher players are better than our better players and because scores vary wildly (typically) it makes everything below the top worthless

awesome

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JeffreyRaze
09/10/11 6:33:00 PM
#425:


This is for interest's sake only, a persons recent actions should be most important. Lets say someone hasn't shown up many times in the past and thus has a high average placement. If they start showing up again consistently they should not be voted off *coughgetingherelustercough*

Also, note that the three weakest players are on the other team. At present, that doesn't even affect them. As well, this only reflects where they placed, not how big the gaps were.

Final note, even with them having the three weakest players and having two more players than us, our COMBINED placing is still only 1 point better than theirs. Pick it up guys.

Blue Team
25: ff6man (3,3,10,3,6)
28: Chronic1000 (17,2,3,4,2)
29: ImTheMacheteGuy(2,1,13,9,4)
36: Dexter26 (13,7,4,11,1)
40: edwardsdv (11,8,8,8,5)
40: Ayuyu (18,6,7,1,8)
49: Justin_Crossing (4,10,6,18,11)
50: ctesbuvf (22*,14,1,6,7)
67: UnderUrMattress (10,9,13,22*,13)
88: The Mana Sword (7,22*,20,17,22*)
92: jdizzy (9,20,22*,19,22*)
98: Charton (22*,22*,17,15,22*)

Total: 642
Average: 53.5



Red Team
36: JeffreyRaze (8,11,12,2,3)
43: X_Dante_X (1,12,15,5,10)
57: 3DSRage (22*,4,2,7,22*)
61: illuminusbubu (6,17,16,13,9)
66: Warning_Crazy (12,15,11,14,14)
73: Jeff Zero (14,18,9,16,16)
75: Regaro_Ukiera (16,16,19,12,12)
75: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer (15,13,22*,10,15)
76: Luster_Myst (22*,5,5,22*,22*)
79: Dragon66116 (5,19,18,20,17)

Total: 641
Average: 64.1


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ff6man
09/10/11 6:34:00 PM
#426:


Heh, that's interesting. gogogo above average on every game!

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/10/11 6:36:00 PM
#427:


I petition that Ikon starts averaging the scores of both teams, and no one's score gets dropped.

Otherwise it is literally impossible for our team to win a challenge.

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JeffreyRaze
09/10/11 6:36:00 PM
#428:


Well, eliminate the two bottom scores so the teams are even (which is how the game is working at the moment >_>), things look worse. Their average drops to 45.2, nearly 20 ranks better on average than us >_>

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UnderUrMattress
09/10/11 6:36:00 PM
#429:


i just realized i ****ing suck!

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Chronic1000
09/10/11 6:37:00 PM
#430:


The only reason I did so poorly on the first game is because I didn't spend much time playing it compared to the other games. You can chalk that up to me not seeing this topic until about twelve hours before the first challenge was over.

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GaryOak151
09/10/11 6:38:00 PM
#431:


i'm sorry i did so poorly on that game everyone, i'm working 9.5 hours a day in addition to going to school, campaigning, and trying to spend some time with my gf, so i only had time for 1 real run (i had a test run go to about 120k).

After the 15th or so things will calm down a little

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JeffreyRaze
09/10/11 6:39:00 PM
#432:


From: UnderUrMattress | #430
i just realized i ****ing suck!


Your scores:
First challenge, above average by 1
Second challenge, above average 2
Third challenge, below average by 1
Fourth challenge, no score submitted
Fifth challenge, below average by 1

Not counting the 4th round, you're slightly better than the average surviving player. Yeaahh...

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UnderUrMattress
09/10/11 6:39:00 PM
#433:


Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted...
I petition that Ikon starts averaging the scores of both teams, and no one's score gets dropped.

Otherwise it is literally impossible for our team to win a challenge.


it is only fair.. we still powned the crap outta you though, but I could be down with this..

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/10/11 6:39:00 PM
#434:


From: GaryOak151 | #431
i'm sorry i did so poorly on that game everyone, i'm working 9.5 hours a day in addition to going to school, campaigning, and trying to spend some time with my gf, so i only had time for 1 real run (i had a test run go to about 120k).

After the 15th or so things will calm down a little


it's fine, it basically isn't even worth it for our team to try at challenges at all at this point because the way the game is set up ****s us over anyway >_>

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UnderUrMattress
09/10/11 6:41:00 PM
#435:


but i prefer the sit x number of ppl out prior to challenge like they do on the regular show..

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/10/11 6:42:00 PM
#436:


From: UnderUrMattress | #435
but i prefer the sit x number of ppl out prior to challenge like they do on the regular show..


that would be nearly impossible to decide every round. there's still 20+ people playing in this game, we're not going to be able to communicate with each other that efficiently.

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UnderUrMattress
09/10/11 6:44:00 PM
#437:


good point actually.....

what does everyone else think?

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Ikon
09/10/11 6:46:00 PM
#438:


it's fine, it basically isn't even worth it for our team to try at challenges at all at this point because the way the game is set up ****s us over anyway >_>

I understand you're a little discouraged, but it's really not unfair in any way. It is in fact your best 10 players (granted if you in fact weeded out all of the poor players) verses their best 10. Blue Team is just putting up the better scores.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/10/11 6:48:00 PM
#439:


From: Ikon | #438
it's fine, it basically isn't even worth it for our team to try at challenges at all at this point because the way the game is set up ****s us over anyway >_>

I understand you're a little discouraged, but it's really not unfair in any way. It is in fact your best 10 players (granted if you in fact weeded out all of the poor players) verses their best 10. Blue Team is just putting up the better scores.




it is quite unfair, actually.

3 of their players can do extremely poor at a challenge or fail to show up altogether, and they aren't affected at all.

One of our players underperforms, and we're ****ed.

Seriously, if the rules do not change our team will not win a single challenge until a tribe swap/merge. I guarantee it.

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Regaro_Ukiera
09/10/11 6:49:00 PM
#440:


The problem here, Ikon, is that the way it's set up, there's no penalty for not even bothering to show up and try, as long as you're on the bigger team.

Unless everybody on the team doesn't show up.

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Regaro_Ukiera
09/10/11 6:50:00 PM
#441:


goddammit mer

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/10/11 6:51:00 PM
#442:


averages would be a much more effective method, because it forces every player on both teams to hold their share of responsibility.

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JeffreyRaze
09/10/11 6:52:00 PM
#443:


Actually, that idea about taking the average score without exclusion seems better and better. Even if noshows on the bigger team cost them the round, they can just vote them off and all is well. It doesn't actually hurt the bigger team in the long run.

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Ikon
09/10/11 7:05:00 PM
#444:


So I did this out of curiosity of what Mer had said. I took the totals from each challenge and divided them by the number of members left on the team. You can see the results.

Challenge 1, 5 minutes to kill yourself:
Blue Average: 3:05:23
Red Average: 3:04:40

Challenge 2, Super Puzzle Platformer
Blue Average: 32,185
Red Average: 15,331

Challenge 3, /Escape\
Blue Average: 358
Red Average: 298

Challenge 4, Ski Runner
Blue Average: 289,600
Red Average: 237,674

Challenge 5, Pixel Purge
Blue Average: 11,318,969
Red Average: 3,402,735

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/10/11 7:08:00 PM
#445:


If the win/loss record stays the same then it's not too late to switch up the rules tbqh >_>

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Regaro_Ukiera
09/10/11 7:09:00 PM
#446:


It forces Blue Team to actually show up <_<


Yeah, no-shows still hurt us more than them, and we're still disadvantaged, but as things are now, they could literally have three or four guys not show up with no drawback whatsoever.


Which just defeats the purpose of the game.

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Ikon
09/10/11 7:11:00 PM
#447:


averages would be a much more effective method, because it forces every player on both teams to hold their share of responsibility.

By rights, people should already be doing this.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/10/11 7:13:00 PM
#448:


From: Ikon | #447
averages would be a much more effective method, because it forces every player on both teams to hold their share of responsibility.

By rights, people should already be doing this.


with the current system in place, there's no reason to.

One of our players does poorly or fails to show up for a challenge, and we're boned.

The same thing happens to their team? They've got 11 other people to make up for it.

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JeffreyRaze
09/10/11 7:26:00 PM
#449:


Well the players are boning themselves in the long run by not showing up, but they'd survive until the teams changed at this rate. Regardless, even if we still lose like this it makes every elimination we do make us stronger instead of weaker.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/10/11 7:28:00 PM
#450:


So let's say we eventually get down to the 6 or 7 people who consistently show up

that's still counting on our entire team to do well at a challenge

whereas half of their team is free to suck as much as they like

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/10/11 7:54:00 PM
#451:


You can't apply all the concepts of the show to this game.

All the challenges here are based entirely on individual performances, none of them require any sort of teamwork whatsoever.

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Ikon
09/10/11 7:55:00 PM
#452:


I understand the frustration, I really do. But to be blunt, Blue Team is simply out performing Red, and that is why Red is in the situation it is in. It has been a long time since I've actually watched Survivor, but I'm pretty sure if the teams are uneven the host, (Jeff is his name I think) will make the teams even, so it would in fact be the 6 or 7 that are left on the Red Team, verses the 6 or 7 that the Blue Team chooses to participate, as for the extra Blue members, they sit and watch. Never once seen them all participate and take an average.

Also, I actually asked you guys earlier, if you wanted to opt the players out prior to the challenge or just drop the lowest score, more people just wanted me to keep it as is and just drop the lowest score, so that's what I've been doing. Even if Blue did choose to opt the players out, they more than likely would just opt out the people who haven't performed well in the challenges, so I don't think a whole lot would change there.

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