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TimJab
09/04/11 3:24:00 PM
#101:


wasn't there an episode of glee where rachel was thinking about getting a nosejob?

who'd of thought that mer had more in common with her than kurt?

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TimJab
09/04/11 3:26:00 PM
#102:


From: GenesisSaga | #073
Did Tim hire some cronies to come in here and support him or did they just manifest like fungus on a pile of feces after a few weeks?


XFD are you for real?

swift and smurf came in and gave their opinions on the topic without mentioning me at all

mer, on the other hand, has had GLAAD literally white knighting him the entire topic

not to mention you literally calling me a piece of **** because i'm trying to get mer not to change his gigantic nose that god gave him because it's shallow and pathetic

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/04/11 3:28:00 PM
#103:


I would say nobody was really winning this argument until Tim made a reference to Glee.

Congrats on winning, Mer! ^_^

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TimJab
09/04/11 3:30:00 PM
#104:


From: ImTheMacheteGuy | #103
I would say nobody was really winning this argument until Tim made a reference to Glee.

Congrats on winning, Mer! ^_^


i had to make a reference he would be sure to get

and XD like it's even possible for me to lose this "argument"

i'm not the one spending thousands of dollars on attention and sympathy

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GenesisSaga
09/04/11 3:34:00 PM
#105:


TimJab posted...
From: GenesisSaga | #073
Did Tim hire some cronies to come in here and support him or did they just manifest like fungus on a pile of feces after a few weeks?
XFD are you for real?


Yeah, I was for real. I asked an honest question and wanted an honest answer.

swift and smurf came in and gave their opinions on the topic without mentioning me at all

And now I've got it. B) They manifested. Thanks for your honest response.

mer, on the other hand, has had GLAAD literally white knighting him the entire topic

Not sure why you call Cyclo that, but whatevs.

not to mention you literally calling me a piece of **** because

Time to take a Twix Pause. Right there. I never called you anything. Literally or otherwise. Mer offered his own interpretation to one of my metaphors, to which I clarified "You were starting s*** in this topic. And you were, and you still are.

i'm trying to get mer not to change his gigantic nose that god gave him because it's shallow and pathetic

You're trying to not make Mer change something about his anatomy... by ridiculing that part of his anatomy. And by implying that you have some sort of need to ridicule that part of his anatomy until it's changed.

Alright then. Great job.

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/04/11 3:40:00 PM
#106:


I kinda think plastic surgery can be shallow and pathetic under most but not all circumstances... but l o f***ing l at "god gave him." Yeah, because THAT'S the direction this topic needs to go in...

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PartOfYourWorld
09/04/11 3:44:00 PM
#107:


From: TimJab | #102
i'm trying to get mer not to change his gigantic nose that god gave him because it's shallow and pathetic


Do you find all plastic surgery to be shallow and pathetic? Coffee Ninja is ashamed of the large birth marks on his chest. He cites them as the source of his depression and the reason he swims with a shirt on despite being an in-shape guy. Would you feel the same way if he wanted surgery to remove his birth marks?

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TimJab
09/04/11 3:52:00 PM
#108:


From: PartOfYourWorld | #107
Do you find all plastic surgery to be shallow and pathetic? Coffee Ninja is ashamed of the large birth marks on his chest. He cites them as the source of his depression and the reason he swims with a shirt on despite being an in-shape guy. Would you feel the same way if he wanted surgery to remove his birth marks?


irrelevant!

i've actually had surgery to remove a birthmark on my ribs because it was potentially cancerous. swift and extha have seen the scar if you don't believe me.

i have never heard of somebody's life being threatened by an abnormally large nose however

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PartOfYourWorld
09/04/11 3:55:00 PM
#109:


Why is it irrelevant? I'm trying to figure out when you feel cosmetic surgery is justifiable, if ever.

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TimJab
09/04/11 3:57:00 PM
#110:


If it is to correct something that is potentially life threatening, then yes.

If you are in a car accident or a fire and horribly disfigured, then yes.

If you have a slightly larger than average nose and use it to garner sympathy, then no.

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TimJab
09/04/11 3:59:00 PM
#111:


And don't get it twisted, I couldn't care less whether or not Mer chooses to do the procedure. Not my business. If he wants to change his looks, so be it.

What annoys me is that he's both hypocritical regarding physical appearance and using the potential procedure to garner sympathy.

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/04/11 4:02:00 PM
#112:


I really don't think it has anything to do with sympathy. He just wants to make a particular feature of himself look better. I don't even see how sympathy could even really play a plausible part in it...

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TimJab
09/04/11 4:03:00 PM
#113:


because he started casually slipping the fact that he wanted the surgery into convos with board 8ers in a thinly veiled attempt to garner sympathy

it's not really his fault, it's in his nature to be an attention whore

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Drakeryn
09/04/11 4:06:00 PM
#114:


#64 | Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer | Posted 9/4/2011 2:19:26 PM | message detail | quote
she was really ****ing chill in person. there was a bunch of people around all wanting pictures and autographs and **** but I was able to talk to her for a good 15 minutes.


That's pretty awesome. Nice pics, too.


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TimJab
09/04/11 4:08:00 PM
#115:


and because saying

"hey guys i got a nose job. i didn't like something about myself so i changed it, deal with it"

is different from saying

"hey guys...i was just wondering if you guys think i should get a nose job? i hate my nose soooo much"

one garners "cool man"

the other garners "NO YOU'RE PERFECT JUST THE WAY YOU ARE!"

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/04/11 4:11:00 PM
#116:


Well I constantly bring up the fact that I drink a lot and it's pretty much my thing around here.

Sympathy isn't even something that's crossed my mind. It's just Caelus being Caelus as opposed to Caelus trying to garner sympathy for being a drunk.

In other words, I think that you're just thinking too much into it. You clearly have issues with Mer from a while ago so you're looking for things to give him a hard time about and assuming he always has the worst intentions behind what he says and does.

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PartOfYourWorld
09/04/11 4:14:00 PM
#117:


From: ImTheMacheteGuy | #116
In other words, I think that you're just thinking too much into it. You clearly have issues with Mer from a while ago so you're looking for things to give him a hard time about and assuming he always has the worst intentions behind what he says and does.


Agreed. I've seen him talk about this before and didn't think he was trying to illicit sympathy (it didn't even cross my mind). You guys have beef or something.

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GenesisSaga
09/04/11 4:17:00 PM
#118:


In other words, I think that you're just thinking too much into it. You clearly have issues with Mer from a while ago so you're looking for things to give him a hard time about and assuming he always has the worst intentions behind what he says and does.

The bottom line.

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SlymDayspring
09/04/11 4:19:00 PM
#119:


Not sure why you call Cyclo that, but whatevs.

because he is trolling and an incredibly dumb person. somehow my opinion as mer's friend does not matter because I am gay as well, but his best buddy swift just magically appears and offers his entirely objective opinion, it is proof he is right.

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Rusry
09/04/11 4:21:00 PM
#120:


did anyone else see those naked kreayshawn pictures

what's the point of pierced nipples?

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Mr Lasastryke
09/04/11 4:27:00 PM
#121:


It does seem like Mer definitely wants to get the nose job. Wonder why he was asking feedback from B8 users when he'd already made the decision anyway, unless he didn't yet make the decision back then and feedback from other people made him decide that he should get plastic surgery. Not saying he had "bad intentions" or was fishing for compliments, but this seems kinda weird to me.

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PartOfYourWorld
09/04/11 4:30:00 PM
#122:


As the most rationale and objective person on the internet, I'd like to see this topic where he asks for our opinions. Then I can make my Solemn Judgment.

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Drakeryn
09/04/11 4:34:00 PM
#123:


As far as I recall, he wasn't asking for advice at all. He basically told people, "I'm getting a nose job. Deal with it." I told him that I thought he looked fine, and he said, "Don't care. I'm not doing this for anyone else; I've already decided that I want it."


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SlymDayspring
09/04/11 4:37:00 PM
#124:


say what you will about mer but he really is not the kind of person to be like "guys im so ugly compliment me so i feel better". that just reeks of timjab trying to justify his trolling so he doesn't have to admit he is just an insecure guy picking on someone to feel better about himself.

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/04/11 4:40:00 PM
#125:


I don't know TimJab well at all but what Cyclo is saying makes sense to me

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TimJab
09/04/11 6:19:00 PM
#126:


From: SlymDayspring | #119
somehow my opinion as mer's friend does not matter because I am gay as well, but his best buddy swift just magically appears and offers his entirely objective opinion, it is proof he is right.


swift offering his opinion is not proof that i am right

i am right because i am right

there is no way to argue that mer isn't contemplating the surgery for completely vain reasons. people have no problem ripping apart heidi montag for undergoing plastic surgery but mer is different for some reason?

and don't act like you both being gay isn't the number 1 reason you're defending him

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TimJab
09/04/11 6:23:00 PM
#127:


i also love how mer started the entire thing by calling me ugly completely unprovoked but i'm the bad guy

guess i'll have to find solace in not having any physical deformities

besides the fact that my gums are too long or something of course

XD

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SlymDayspring
09/04/11 6:33:00 PM
#128:


um, swifts post was before you started on the plastic surgery crusade.

and I have no problem with people getting plastic surgery for vain reasons if it makes them feel better.

and mer is my friend. this is not some gay solidarity thing.

but I am glad you admit that you are just doing this because mer called you ugly once a couple months ago.

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TimJab
09/04/11 6:37:00 PM
#129:


From: SlymDayspring | #128
but I am glad you admit that you are just doing this because mer called you ugly once a couple months ago.


of course that's why i'm doing it

but not because i'm mad at him for calling me ugly, since i know i'm not (as evidenced by the fact that i'm not getting plastic surgery)

it's because he's a hypocrite

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/04/11 6:42:00 PM
#130:


TimJab posted...
From: SlymDayspring | #119
somehow my opinion as mer's friend does not matter because I am gay as well, but his best buddy swift just magically appears and offers his entirely objective opinion, it is proof he is right.
swift offering his opinion is not proof that i am right

i am right because i am right

there is no way to argue that mer isn't contemplating the surgery for completely vain reasons. people have no problem ripping apart heidi montag for undergoing plastic surgery but mer is different for some reason?

and don't act like you both being gay isn't the number 1 reason you're defending him


You're digging yourself deeper. Sure, wanting to look better is vain. Thinking about sex is lustful, eating too much is gluttonous, finding a 10 dollar bill and keeping it instead of seeking out its owner to return it is greedy, punching a wall when pissed off is wrathful, wishing your boss favored you over a coworker is envious, staying in bed an extra hour on your day off just because you can is slothful (if that's a word). My point? Big f***ing deal who cares... also the gay comment really makes you look bad here.

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SlymDayspring
09/04/11 6:44:00 PM
#131:


i do not think that word means what you think it means

because you are allowed to get plastic surgery and call other people ugly without being a hypocrite.

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TimJab
09/04/11 6:50:00 PM
#132:


caelus you really have no frame of reference for this argument so i think it would be best if you just ****ed off

you're guilty of the same **** as mer when you post about how you're an "alcoholic" so everybody will think you're cool

i've had family members die of alcoholism so i'd appreciate it if you didn't come on the board with your frat boy bull**** every time you have 2 bud lights

From: SlymDayspring | #131
i do not think that word means what you think it means

because you are allowed to get plastic surgery and call other people ugly without being a hypocrite.


hypocrite isn't the right word, but i don't know what is

regardless, you know exactly what i'm talking about

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GenesisSaga
09/04/11 7:03:00 PM
#133:


TimJab posted...
there is no way to argue that mer isn't contemplating the surgery for completely vain reasons

This might be my imagination, but I swear I've read this in an Ulti topic from a while ago. Doesn't Mer also have a deviated septum or something, requiring him to undergo rhinoplasty in order to breathe comfortably? No, a deviated septum isn't exactly "life-threatening", but it's something that can be fixed to make life easier. If he's going in for that, but wants something done aesthetically while he's under I don't see the huge issue here.

And the question still remains: Why do you care about this so much? And please don't say "Because he's such a hypocrite" for the umpteenth time. >_>

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TimJab
09/04/11 7:05:00 PM
#134:


From: GenesisSaga | #133
This might be my imagination, but I swear I've read this in an Ulti topic from a while ago. Doesn't Mer also have a deviated septum or something, requiring him to undergo rhinoplasty in order to breathe comfortably? No, a deviated septum isn't exactly "life-threatening", but it's something that can be fixed to make life easier. If he's going in for that, but wants something done aesthetically while he's under I don't see the huge issue here.


i've had surgery done to fix a deviated septum twice ironically

but no, this is purely aesthetic

and i don't really care that much, i just love how defensive cyclo and mer get

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SlymDayspring
09/04/11 7:11:00 PM
#135:


I will never understand the appeal of saying stupid things to get other people to respond telling you that you are saying stupid things.

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/04/11 7:17:00 PM
#136:


TimJab posted...
caelus you really have no frame of reference for this argument so i think it would be best if you just ****ed off

you're guilty of the same **** as mer when you post about how you're an "alcoholic" so everybody will think you're cool

i've had family members die of alcoholism so i'd appreciate it if you didn't come on the board with your frat boy bull**** every time you have 2 bud lightst


Oh you wanna go there?

I don't consider myself an alcoholic but I know exactly how society would view me if it could see me when no others can. I have improved my situation. There were times when I would drink every night and every night it would be until I blacked out. If I tried to take a night off from drinking, I would lie in bed for 13-14 hours and get maybe 15 minutes of sleep because the withdrawl symptoms would give me muscle twitches and I would wake up from any one of the following: involuntary neck twitch (which was dangerous considering I've never fully recovered from whiplash several years ago), involuntary kick or flail of an arm into the wall, involuntary teeth clench (often biting my tongue or the inside of my cheek). Sure, nothing serious, but for someone trying to sleep, having that s*** happen constantly for the entire duration of a night that was made longer to get extra sleep that didn't happen? Now I can at least take 1-2 nights off every week and still sleep. It wasn't about looking cool, it was about dealing with a job that had in indescribable level of stress. I have a scar I can't cover up on my hand from when I pressed it against an object that was roughly 500 degrees farenheit for no other reason than to calm myself down because one of my bosses had crossed a line with a coworker that I could not allow and I was about to strike with what would have more than likely been lethal force. I didn't want to attack the guy, but I had too much adrenaline to function. I had known from accidental burns that the burning sensation itself did indeed calm me down, so I made a choice. I've never been a frat boy and I drink hard alcohol, not beer. I usually buy the liter and I finish it in 2-3 nights. I go to different liquor stores (there are several in my area) just so that the same employees don't see me frequently enough to think I have problems. My family doesn't know about my habits, and they won't, because I am too functional and I support myself, and I am good at keeping secrets. You've had family members die from alcohol? Well my family might have that happen to them and if it happens, they might not see it coming. I don't want to do that to them, but to some extent I live in my own world and in that world, I have not had to face my own mortality, so thinking about possible health complications in the future is like staring at an abstract painting I don't understand or trying to read a language with non-English characters... I'd like to think I can continue the "cutting down" process on my own, but progress has been slow. You won't find me on shows like Intervention because I don't have people I depend on that can corner me like that and if I have a reason to stay sober for a certain amount of time, I'll be able to. Never been to the hospital for alcohol poisoning, although by witness accounts back 7-9 years ago, I've had it. Never been arrested for an alcohol-related incident although I've come close several times. No DUIs and there never will be. I don't drive, no licence, no operating a motor vehicle even when sober, so certainly no operating one while drunk.

Anything else you want to know about me that you clearly had no f***ing clue about prior to this wall of text? I don't like to be this transparent but if you're gonna make a bunch of ignorant assumptions about me, you might just be opening a door that won't close behind you...

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TimJab
09/04/11 7:19:00 PM
#137:


didn't read your post

i'll just wait until 20 posts from now when you tell me you didn't really care and that i am a terrible troll

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/04/11 7:24:00 PM
#138:


no, read the post. I know you're not interested in my life story, so that's why I only included the past few years with the exception of a brief reference to an earlier time.

You're not trolling. You thought you had me figured out and you called me on it. However you were too quick to judge, and as someone who doesn't like being judged inaccurately, I gave you some actual truth to judge me for, instead of your embarassing assumptions.

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GenesisSaga
09/04/11 7:25:00 PM
#139:


Caelus that is way tl;dr.

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thundersheep
09/04/11 7:29:00 PM
#140:


Skipped over most of the posts here... but how was the performance? I think she's performing at a club here in a couple weeks and I'm still on the fence wondering whether I should go or not.

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/04/11 7:30:00 PM
#141:


yeah but even just reading parts of it you'll get the idea. I'm not even "defending myself," I'm being open and giving TimJab all kinds of things to critized about me, because better that than thinking he has any clue who I am or why with his stupid little bud light and frat boy remarks...

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TimJab
09/04/11 7:33:00 PM
#142:


sounds like you're mad

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/04/11 7:34:00 PM
#143:


What so you were just being a dick and baiting me into that post?

You're lucky I'm drunk and that I don't know you at all >_< (but well done in any case)

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09/04/11 7:34:00 PM
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AlecTrevelyan006
09/04/11 8:13:00 PM
#145:


I read that post Caelus.

I hope you succeed in your continued cutdown.

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/04/11 8:24:00 PM
#146:


lol Timmy got me good >_<

I'll do okay. The biggest step was getting rid of that f***ed up job and that was a year ago. I'm definitely in improving shape.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/04/11 11:35:00 PM
#147:


thank god logical people came into this topic

let's get some things cleared up

1. I have never made a topic on b8 about my surgery, nor have I ever gone out of my way to bring it up in conversation. I talked about it a bit on board8chat several months ago because I talk about most of my personal life in their. I consider most of board8chat my friends. I tell them about school, jobs, relationship, family, etc. etc. It's just general conversation. The surgery is something I consider pretty important, so why wouldn't I tell them? The only reason the board at large even knows was because it came up in certain topics, and users like realo and Ulti felt the need to debate with me for hundreds of pages on why I shouldn't do something that doesn't affect them at all and will only make me happier.

2. I'm not getting the surgery for purely vain reasons, I have a severely deviated septum and inflamed turbinates, and my doctor actually recommended it. Granted, the cosmetic reasons are a huge bonus, because I do hate my nose. And no, it's not "insecurity", I'm completely secure in my dislike for my nose and am 100% certain I want it changed, and I don't think that makes me a shallow or vain person because plenty of people artificially alter their bodies in hundreds of ways every day.

3. I'm legitimately sorry for calling you ugly or whatever in that topic months ago, TimJab. Like, sincerely. That kind of behavior is beneath me. I never insult people for their looks or for things they can't control. Why I'd ever take such an easy shot at you is beyond me, it was a low moment and was quite out of character (especially when your personality, as evidenced by your behavior in this topic, is already a goldmine of terrible qualities).

With that said, I'd like to hope that this whole trend of "every topic Mer posts in becomes a weave snatching fest of haters calling him ugly and simultaneously trying to tell him not to get surgery" because it's become entirely tedious bull****.

I'm getting the surgery.

I'm doing it for myself and myself only.

Nothing that anyone, anyone says, on this board or in real life, will stop me.

And with that,

you

can

stay

pressed.

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer
09/04/11 11:37:00 PM
#148:


oh, and the idea that Cyclo is defending me purely because I'm gay is ridiculous. Cyclo and I are good friends.

Is Genesis defending me just because I'm a black woman?

Is Yoblazer defending me just because I'm Arabic?

No, it's because they are ****ing logical people who can objectively recognize what's going on in this discussion.

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TimJab
09/04/11 11:37:00 PM
#149:


do you want me to leave you alone or stay pressed

make up your mind

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TimJab
09/04/11 11:39:00 PM
#150:


From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer | #148
oh, and the idea that Cyclo is defending me purely because I'm gay is ridiculous. Cyclo and I are good friends.

Is Genesis defending me just because I'm a black woman?

Is Yoblazer defending me just because I'm Arabic?

No, it's because they are ****ing logical people who can objectively recognize what's going on in this discussion.


they're not defending you because you are the same as them, it's because they're different from me

i am a white man

they all jealous

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