Board 8 > Most Powerful Fictional Character 2011: Super Sonic vs. Majin Buu [MPFC]

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Wanglicious
09/23/11 5:12:00 PM
#51:


...you retroactively nerfed ganon and went back on what you said.
that might be the lamest thing you've done yet.

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YoboD
09/23/11 5:12:00 PM
#52:


Buu

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Shadowmoon30
09/23/11 5:14:00 PM
#54:


As for his about to blow up two moons feat.

Spoilers for Archie Comics Sonic the hedgehog

















When Sonic was tossed into space after the Xorda Attack on Mobius, he saw the Bzzzz and their queen try to invade Thoraxia, the Blodex homeworld, he tried to stop them. Seeing six red Chaos Emeralds held in a 6-armed statues' hands, he tried to use them to transform into Super Sonic. Instead of Sonic transforming, Super Sonic appeared as a seperate, evil being. After coming into being, Evil Super Sonic attacked the Bzzzz and brutally murdered the Bzzzz Queen by spin dashing into her head, and then turned his attention on destroying Thoraxia. Seeing this, Sonic managed to lure Evil Super Sonic somewhere where he wouldn't harm anyone and tried to defeat him, but Evil Super Sonic beat the original Sonic nearly to death, proclaiming "There is no good! There is no evil! There is only power!" and was about to demonstrate that power by trying to blow up two moons. Just in time, Sonic tackled him, causing him to miss. Enraged, Evil Super Sonic attacked Sonic and was about to kill him, when Evil Super Sonic disappeared into nothing, as he ran out of Chaos Energy.(StH: #126)
















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KanzarisKelshen
09/23/11 5:14:00 PM
#55:


From: Wanglicious | #051
...you retroactively nerfed ganon and went back on what you said.
that might be the lamest thing you've done yet.


Uhh...I did not. Go back to the time we had the argument. My final comment on the subject was "True. Consider that statement retracted.". Unless you want to call that retroactive?

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Wanglicious
09/23/11 5:17:00 PM
#56:


considering i asked you in the topic specifically right after noms ended? yeah.
retroactive is correct. you had him with it to begin with. you said yes he was like that to begin with. then along the way you changed that and went back on it. that was before there even was an 'argument' on it.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/23/11 5:18:00 PM
#57:


From: Wanglicious | #056
considering i asked you in the topic specifically right after noms ended? yeah.
retroactive is correct. you had him with it to begin with. you said yes he was like that to begin with. then along the way you changed that and went back on it. that was before there even was an 'argument' on it.


Again, when this came up I listened to both sides and made a decision. I think I can dig it up with google cache still if you don't believe it. Don't see how it is retroactive.

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Wanglicious
09/23/11 5:20:00 PM
#58:


'it came up' before anybody complained. to which, you said yes he it's part of his powerset.

go find the nominations topics on google cache or go through your memory better, but that was asked before you even had one match started. that was how he was put into the game as, and then you took that back.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/23/11 5:25:00 PM
#60:


So, while I rummage through GC, something that I found odd: As I informed myself on the two combatants to have an informed opinion I went through the list of villains Super Sonic has fought. Enerjak stands out there, as you said he was fought to a draw and has control over matter on a molecular level according to the Sonic wiki. That's...a fair bit more impressive than Buu's planet-busting abilities, which makes me think that Super Sonic should have this. Am I missing anything here?

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Drakeryn
09/23/11 5:34:00 PM
#61:


I was curious, so I went back to check. Kan specifically said in the bracket topic that GANON would be able to take spells from defeated opponents.

#52 | Wanglicious | Posted 9/8/2011 2:53:54 AM | message detail | quote
is it an inherent power of ganon that he takes spells from his opponents if he beats them.

#53 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 9/8/2011 6:44:07 AM | message detail | quote
Yes, assuming they have some. Can't take something like reality warping or attack techniques though. The user with the same name gets to pick, in an aversion of the usual rules.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60257423/670595738

So yeah. GANON, pick your spell imho.


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Wanglicious
09/23/11 5:37:00 PM
#63:


oh hey it's even on board 8.
like i said, before even 1 match begun, and right after noms ended, you had an answer in there to whether or not he had it. no arguments were there, just a straight answer. which you would be changing retroactively and lamely.

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Wanglicious
09/23/11 5:37:00 PM
#64:


enerjak vs. surfer, who jobs first.

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Wanglicious
09/23/11 5:46:00 PM
#66:


hey now, surfer usually starts a fight well, showing he's awesome, powerful, and will kick your face in if you so much as look at him wrong!

then some bs happens and he gets put in a hammerlock and jobs, or a mind control disc and jobs, or... i think he turned human recently for a while too. i dunno. i gave up on issue 1 there.

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Pirateking2000
09/23/11 5:53:00 PM
#68:


Couple other notes

Couldn't Buu be incapacitated long enough to count as a loss

How would Chaos Controll / Chaos power shenanigans factor into this as well?

Buu's personality (isn't he like REALLY arrogant in all his other forms aside from Kid Buu where he will go straight for the kill?)

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Wanglicious
09/23/11 5:54:00 PM
#69:


that one makes sense really. surfer does well against cosmic beings, but he blows chunks to not-cosmic beings. like sure, skaar can control him or whatever with a disc, or panther/doom DEM his ass to make him job harder than than bub, but you put him in a fight against some extremely high level beings and all of a sudden he's competent. i mean yes he forgets to turn them into jello for reasons nobody ever understands, but he's quite flashy! so beating Phoenix.... possible.

(ps gambit did it in a different timeline.)

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GANON1025
09/23/11 5:56:00 PM
#70:


Drakeryn posted...
I was curious, so I went back to check. Kan specifically said in the bracket topic that GANON would be able to take spells from defeated opponents.

So yeah. GANON, pick your spell imho.


Kan also defended me taking powers during The Host's match. But he's changed his mind now, I guess.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/23/11 5:58:00 PM
#71:


From: GANON1025 | #070
Drakeryn posted...
I was curious, so I went back to check. Kan specifically said in the bracket topic that GANON would be able to take spells from defeated opponents.

So yeah. GANON, pick your spell imho.


Kan also defended me taking powers during The Host's match. But he's changed his mind now, I guess.


Pretty sure that's the moment I was talking to when I said there had been no change. The discussion I was thinking of took place during a match.

That said, I had forgotten about the pre-bracket discussion and I'm not about to alter things on the fly unless something goes really, really wrong and needs immediate fixing. So yes, pick a spell GANON. Vriska has an array of Fraymotifs (none revealed), Steal Luck, and her Fluorite Octet. Psi is inherent to her instead of a spell so it isn't pickable, but the rest is open.

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Wanglicious
09/23/11 5:59:00 PM
#73:


yeah, the 'change' would have happened in either later into the host's or your match itself. which in both cases says you're getting screwed.

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Wanglicious
09/23/11 6:01:00 PM
#74:


..ooor i can get ninja'd.
woo. success.

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Pirateking2000
09/23/11 6:02:00 PM
#76:


Living candy beam?


Buu turns enemy into candy

Problem is when he tried that he got his ass kicked by it lmao (yes he got his ass kicked by a piece of candy) (still hit just as hard and way smaller / harder to hit lmao)

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KanzarisKelshen
09/23/11 6:02:00 PM
#77:


From: Ed Bellis | #072
1. How is Super Sonic going to incapacitate Buu? DBZ fighters are extremely durable, well beyond the physical limits shown by most Archie Sonic characters. And I said before, SS only uses melee attacks and spindashes, so he'd have to rely on one of those to knock Buu out. I don't see it happening.

2. He's never used Chaos Control - that I can recall - at any point in the series.

3. If we're using Evil Buu, then he's bloodthirsty but likes to play a bit. Problem is, Sonic likes to play around too. I can see them both kinda potshots at each other, but once SS realizes Buu's strength and potential for destruction he'll pick up the pace. And then Buu annihilates him.

Funny thing is: if Buu tries to absorb Super Sonic, I actually think SS can maintain his form - that would be an example of positive aura I could get behind. Not sure what would happen if SS gets hit with the candy beam though.


Living candy?

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Wanglicious
09/23/11 6:04:00 PM
#78:


would imagine the candy beam would be the same deal as all the other super forms going 'invincible y'know', like they play it with... pretty much everything else?

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GANON1025
09/23/11 6:07:00 PM
#79:


I think I'll take her God Tier power.

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JeffreyRaze
09/23/11 6:07:00 PM
#80:


Going by the higher showings of Archie Super Sonic, what are the odds that he could rip apart Buu and scatter his parts across wherever?

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KanzarisKelshen
09/23/11 6:14:00 PM
#81:


From: GANON1025 | #079
I think I'll take her God Tier power.


Godly Steal Luck? Alright.

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TheRock1525
09/23/11 6:14:00 PM
#82:


Well, Sonic did go toe-to-toe with Enerjak, who has the abilities like massive teleportation, breaking down an opponent at a molecular level, ability to remove cybernetics and replace them with organic material, and his powers were eventually absorbed by Mammoth Mogul, which allowed him to become Master Mogul. Though it's confusing because Enerjak is now supposedly an entity (as Knuckles became Enerjak at one point) rather than an individual (the first Enerjak was originally Dimitri).

And that's not including Dark Enerjak, who's only real vulnerability was the Sword of Acorns. He also have the ability to remove souls (called cores) and turn them into prelates (robotic slaves).

In all honesty, Dark Enerjak is probably the most powerful non-Master Mogul character in the Archie Sonic Universe.

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LlednarTwem
09/23/11 6:15:00 PM
#83:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Vriska has an array of Fraymotifs (none revealed), Steal Luck, and her Fluorite Octet. Psi is inherent to her instead of a spell so it isn't pickable, but the rest is open.

Seeing as it's directly connected to her role as Thief of Light, wouldn't stealing luck also be "inherent to her"?

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Pirateking2000
09/23/11 6:15:00 PM
#84:


^ Didn't Dark Enerjak get beaten by Silver?

or was that just Evil Knuckles?

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KanzarisKelshen
09/23/11 6:17:00 PM
#85:


From: LlednarTwem | #083
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Vriska has an array of Fraymotifs (none revealed), Steal Luck, and her Fluorite Octet. Psi is inherent to her instead of a spell so it isn't pickable, but the rest is open.

Seeing as it's directly connected to her role as Thief of Light, wouldn't stealing luck also be "inherent to her"?


Steal Luck, like The Windy Thing and WTS, qualifies as a learned ability. Vriska was born with mindhax, hence why GANON can't poach it, she earned luckstealing when she ascended.

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GANON1025
09/23/11 6:18:00 PM
#86:


Well I meant more, transforming into God Tier which would gain me all the abilities therein

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Argg0
09/23/11 6:20:00 PM
#87:


Ed Bellis posted...Funny thing is: if Buu tries to absorb Super Sonic, I actually think SS can maintain his form - that would be an example of positive aura I could get behind. Not sure what would happen if SS gets hit with the candy beam though.

Buu wouldn't try to absorb SS because he doesn't cares when the enemy is weaker, only when the enemy will make him stronger/is superior to him (i.e. Gotensk, Gohan, Vegetto).

Like when his legs defeated Tien he could easily have absorbed him but he didn't care.

Buu

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KanzarisKelshen
09/23/11 6:20:00 PM
#88:


From: GANON1025 | #086
Well I meant more, transforming into God Tier which would gain me all the abilities therein


That would grant you access to multiple spells at once, which goes a fair bit beyond the scope of the RTS rules. You got to pick one spell or piece of equipment there, not several. Unless my memory is failing me again?

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Pirateking2000
09/23/11 6:22:00 PM
#89:


Buu wouldn't try to absorb SS because he doesn't cares when the enemy is weaker, only when the enemy will make him stronger/is superior to him (i.e. Gotensk, Gohan, Vegetto).

Like when his legs defeated Tien he could easily have absorbed him but he didn't care.



I think he would try to absorb SS when he isn't beating him etc (SS tanking everything) etc. Archie Super Sonic is freakin beastly

then absorb would screw buu over

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Drakeryn
09/23/11 6:25:00 PM
#90:


You get one spell, but a single spell can have multiple functions and purposes. Dexterity Deflection is a good example. I generally interpret it as GANON gaining dexterity that enables him to deflect attacks. Semi's interp is that GANON deflects his opponent's dexterity, essentially removing their ability to dodge. But it would be perfectly reasonable to interpret the spell as doing both at once. So it's still a single spell for contest purposes, just multi-faceted.


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Wanglicious
09/23/11 6:25:00 PM
#91:


well... if someone had like, lich transform or something, it'd be assumed that a lich has certain spells to 'em (otherwise what kind of lich are they). or in some cases you had some stuff like being able to summon different buildings and the like. it'd be 'one spell' even though it carries a bunch of others. so long as that one spell can be an identifiable singular in and of itself, regardless of what else it can do, don't see why it wouldn't count.

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TheRock1525
09/23/11 6:26:00 PM
#92:


Pirateking2000 posted...
^ Didn't Dark Enerjak get beaten by Silver?

or was that just Evil Knuckles?


Dark Enerjak was defeated by a sneak attack by Jani-Ca/Lara-Su in which she used the Sword of Acorns to transfer the power from Knuckles (who was Dark Enerjak) to Jani-Ca/Lara-Su, making her the new Enerjak. Difference being that she decided to use the powers for good.

It seems that Enerjak never dies, just has his/her/its powers transferred.

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LlednarTwem
09/23/11 6:29:00 PM
#93:


Eh, reaching god tier isn't a spell anyway. It's a process that takes place when one dies on their quest bed. Which Ganon wouldn't have.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/23/11 6:31:00 PM
#94:


From: Wanglicious | #091
well... if someone had like, lich transform or something, it'd be assumed that a lich has certain spells to 'em (otherwise what kind of lich are they). or in some cases you had some stuff like being able to summon different buildings and the like. it'd be 'one spell' even though it carries a bunch of others. so long as that one spell can be an identifiable singular in and of itself, regardless of what else it can do, don't see why it wouldn't count.


A variable spell is fine, like The Windy Thing. But something like a lich transformation is just that, a lich transformation. Unless it explicitly comes with new spells it doesn't do more than make you bony and immune to critical hits, plus equip you with a phylactery. It doesn't suddenly get you the ability to stop time, wilt plants, and kill with a touch just 'cause. God tier powers involve a ton of things though:

A) Physical changes. Flight is the obvious example since I don't think Vriska flew before. Regen in case of nonjust/nonheroic deaths is another one.
B) Fraymotifs, the basic top abilities pre-ascension.
C) God abilities, like Vriska finally being able to steal luck in spite of being a black hole of unluck beforehand.

And so on. GANON can take one of those (or a single one of the fraymotifs/god abilities). Giving him the whole thing would be like handing over the full RTS spell list upon beating an opponent.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/23/11 6:32:00 PM
#95:


From: LlednarTwem | #093
Eh, reaching god tier isn't a spell anyway. It's a process that takes place when one dies on their quest bed. Which Ganon wouldn't have.


Also this, lol me for forgetting. >_<

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09/23/11 6:37:00 PM
#96:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #094
Flight is the obvious example since I don't think Vriska flew before.


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09/23/11 6:40:00 PM
#97:


From: SemiFinal vs Belarus | #096
PSHOOOES


I meant inherent flight, sorry. Correction accepted.

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XNevermoreX
09/23/11 6:42:00 PM
#98:


Buu seems to be more convincing right now. Could change my vote with more arguments.

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09/23/11 7:20:00 PM
#100:


He also has the special ability of possessing a purifying aura, which exorcises evil beings around him.

I haven't seen a convincing reason why this wouldnt cause this to actually be a fight between Super Sonic and Kid Bu, while Super sonic may not be able to take Buuhan, he SHOULD be able to take Kid Buu.

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