Board 8 > Nintendo officially releases its Zelda timeline

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MoogleKupo141 12/21/11 3:35:00 PM #201:	*HanOfTheNekos posted...* It doesn't make sense for Link to create endless doomed futures just for the sake of making one future where he succeeds. Without Link's involvement, 100% of futures are doomed. He makes that percentage < 100 by succeeding once -- For your SuperNiceDog. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:584861] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> HanOfTheNekos posted...It doesn't make sense for Link to create endless doomed futures just for the sake of making one future where he succeeds.Without Link's involvement, 100% of futures are doomed. He makes that percentage < 100 by succeeding once -- For your SuperNiceDog.At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Takfloyd_mkII__ 12/21/11 3:43:00 PM #202:	They aren't exactly "doomed" though. Ganon is still sealed away eventually, and then defeated for good later on by different Links. In fact, the one timeline where Link DOES succeed is the doomed one, considering what happens later on... -- Signature change in progress... Please wait. <cite>Takfloyd_mkII__ posted [p:584862] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> They aren't exactly "doomed" though. Ganon is still sealed away eventually, and then defeated for good later on by different Links.In fact, the one timeline where Link DOES succeed is the doomed one, considering what happens later on... -- Signature change in progress... Please wait. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/21/11 3:54:00 PM #203:	I wonder how the Goddesses figure into all this. Like, are they above it all and aware of the timeline splits, or are they actually split as well and a different (but exactly the same) version of them exists within each timeline? -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:584863] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> I wonder how the Goddesses figure into all this.Like, are they above it all and aware of the timeline splits, or are they actually split as well and a different (but exactly the same) version of them exists within each timeline? -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadosneko 12/21/11 6:14:00 PM #204:	...what I want to know is what happened at the Temple of Time during the 7 years. Did no one go there and be like "Hey wtf this door is open now, why is there this little kid holding a sword" -- http://backloggery.com/shados http://last.fm/user/ShadosNeko <cite>shadosneko posted [p:584864] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> ...what I want to know is what happened at the Temple of Time during the 7 years.Did no one go there and be like "Hey wtf this door is open now, why is there this little kid holding a sword" -- http://backloggery.com/shadoshttp://last.fm/user/ShadosNeko </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 12/21/11 6:34:00 PM #205:	*shadosneko posted...* ...what I want to know is what happened at the Temple of Time during the 7 years. Did no one go there and be like "Hey wtf this door is open now, why is there this little kid holding a sword" Ganondorf walks in and says 'Thanks kid' then he grabs the Triforce of Power. Then he goes wild. Who is left to go there? -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] best [poelkemon ids nifdorino - Timjab <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:584865] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> shadosneko posted......what I want to know is what happened at the Temple of Time during the 7 years.Did no one go there and be like "Hey wtf this door is open now, why is there this little kid holding a sword"Ganondorf walks in and says 'Thanks kid' then he grabs the Triforce of Power. Then he goes wild.Who is left to go there? -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]best [poelkemon ids nifdorino - Timjab </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 12/21/11 6:34:00 PM #206:	this all seems dumb to me either you accept a single timeline theory, a double timeline theory, or a "changes in the past make a new timeline" theory. this three timeline thing is not compatible with any of those, at least not as discussed ITT. there's no reason some events should create new timelines and others shouldn't. if there can be three, there can be ten. it's fine if this is the canon setup or whatever but we shouldn't be explaining and thinking about this like it actually makes sense. we will find Chrono Cross-esque headaches as our reward for doing so. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:584866] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> this all seems dumb to meeither you accept a single timeline theory, a double timeline theory, or a "changes in the past make a new timeline" theory. this three timeline thing is not compatible with any of those, at least not as discussed ITT. there's no reason some events should create new timelines and others shouldn't. if there can be three, there can be ten.it's fine if this is the canon setup or whatever but we shouldn't be explaining and thinking about this like it actually makes sense. we will find Chrono Cross-esque headaches as our reward for doing so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecTrevelyan006 12/21/11 6:41:00 PM #207:	From: OmarsComin \| #206 this all seems dumb to me either you accept a single timeline theory, a double timeline theory, or a "changes in the past make a new timeline" theory. this three timeline thing is not compatible with any of those, at least not as discussed ITT. there's no reason some events should create new timelines and others shouldn't. if there can be three, there can be ten. it's fine if this is the canon setup or whatever but we shouldn't be explaining and thinking about this like it actually makes sense. we will find Chrono Cross-esque headaches as our reward for doing so. The fact that all the Zeldas that have been made fit into 3 timelines does not mean that there are only 3 timelines ever. -- "Link has spoken for years. And music is his language" -YoBlazer Congrats to Guru champ SuperNiceDog! All hail our Guru overlord. <cite>AlecTrevelyan006 posted [p:584867] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> From: OmarsComin \| #206this all seems dumb to meeither you accept a single timeline theory, a double timeline theory, or a "changes in the past make a new timeline" theory. this three timeline thing is not compatible with any of those, at least not as discussed ITT. there's no reason some events should create new timelines and others shouldn't. if there can be three, there can be ten.it's fine if this is the canon setup or whatever but we shouldn't be explaining and thinking about this like it actually makes sense. we will find Chrono Cross-esque headaches as our reward for doing so.The fact that all the Zeldas that have been made fit into 3 timelines does not mean that there are only 3 timelines ever. -- "Link has spoken for years. And music is his language" -YoBlazerCongrats to Guru champ SuperNiceDog! All hail our Guru overlord. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Owner of FF9 12/21/11 6:44:00 PM #208:	Why does Skynet keep sending Terminators into the past? -- Operation Rainfall Xenoblade Chronicles - April 3, 2012! Now for The Last Story and Pandora's Tower! <cite>The Owner of FF9 posted [p:584868] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> Why does Skynet keep sending Terminators into the past? -- Operation RainfallXenoblade Chronicles - April 3, 2012! Now for The Last Story and Pandora's Tower! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 12/21/11 6:44:00 PM #209:	The fact that all the Zeldas that have been made fit into 3 timelines does not mean that there are only 3 timelines ever. if at least three timelines exist it makes this all a lot less interesting to think about <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:584869] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> The fact that all the Zeldas that have been made fit into 3 timelines does not mean that there are only 3 timelines ever.if at least three timelines exist it makes this all a lot less interesting to think about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TsunamiXXVIII 12/21/11 6:45:00 PM #210:	*Chronic1000 posted...* Now that I think about it, the Haunted Wasteland really doesn't require the hover boots, it just requires the Longshot. Like the Fire/Water Temples, you can beat the Shadow/Spirit Temples in either order without first entering the other. Fire/Forest, too. I for one had never entered the Forest Temple when I beat the Fire Temple. There is one door that requires the bow to open, but it's not essential. -- I'm a cat person, but I can still appreciate a SuperNiceDog. <cite>TsunamiXXVIII posted [p:584870] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> Chronic1000 posted...Now that I think about it, the Haunted Wasteland really doesn't require the hover boots, it just requires the Longshot. Like the Fire/Water Temples, you can beat the Shadow/Spirit Temples in either order without first entering the other.Fire/Forest, too. I for one had never entered the Forest Temple when I beat the Fire Temple. There is one door that requires the bow to open, but it's not essential. -- I'm a cat person, but I can still appreciate a SuperNiceDog. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 12/21/11 6:45:00 PM #211:	*OmarsComin posted...* The fact that all the Zeldas that have been made fit into 3 timelines does not mean that there are only 3 timelines ever. if at least three timelines exist it makes this all a lot less interesting to think about I think you might be in a minority on this. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch <cite>redrocket posted [p:584871] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> OmarsComin posted...The fact that all the Zeldas that have been made fit into 3 timelines does not mean that there are only 3 timelines ever.if at least three timelines exist it makes this all a lot less interesting to think aboutI think you might be in a minority on this. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadosneko 12/21/11 6:53:00 PM #212:	From: HanOfTheNekos \| #205 Ganondorf walks in and says 'Thanks kid' then he grabs the Triforce of Power. Then he goes wild. Who is left to go there? It's not like Ganondorf immediately transforms Hyrule, I'm sure it still takes a couple months. From: TsunamiXXVIII \| #210 Fire/Forest, too. I for one had never entered the Forest Temple when I beat the Fire Temple. There is one door that requires the bow to open, but it's not essential. Wait, you can do the Water, Fire, and Forest temples in any order? whoa. -- http://backloggery.com/shados http://last.fm/user/ShadosNeko <cite>shadosneko posted [p:584872] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> From: HanOfTheNekos \| #205Ganondorf walks in and says 'Thanks kid' then he grabs the Triforce of Power. Then he goes wild.Who is left to go there?It's not like Ganondorf immediately transforms Hyrule, I'm sure it still takes a couple months.From: TsunamiXXVIII \| #210Fire/Forest, too. I for one had never entered the Forest Temple when I beat the Fire Temple. There is one door that requires the bow to open, but it's not essential.Wait, you can do the Water, Fire, and Forest temples in any order?whoa. -- http://backloggery.com/shadoshttp://last.fm/user/ShadosNeko </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 12/21/11 6:55:00 PM #213:	I think you might be in a minority on this. There's just a number of problems with it - there's some inconsistencies still present, there's no clear way to argue for three timelines without arguing for dozens (which I should think diminishes the value of the featured three). I think it introduces a problem for OoT and the mythology of the series as well - it doesn't matter whether Link beats Ganondorf or just disappears from history, it's all sorted out regardless. He's the Hero of Time unless he's not, in which case the sages imprisoned Ganondorf and a later Link sorts it out anyway. That's pretty unsatisfactory and I doubt that was the intention when making OoT. Doesn't some later game say he defeated Ganon by traveling back and forth through time? If that's true and I'm not remembering it wrong, I think that's a decent argument for various timelines not being spawned out of every different scenario. In which case, we have no real explanation for why there's three timelines unless we accept that left is where Link loses and dies, which should be unsatisfactory as well. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:584873] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> I think you might be in a minority on this.There's just a number of problems with it - there's some inconsistencies still present, there's no clear way to argue for three timelines without arguing for dozens (which I should think diminishes the value of the featured three).I think it introduces a problem for OoT and the mythology of the series as well - it doesn't matter whether Link beats Ganondorf or just disappears from history, it's all sorted out regardless. He's the Hero of Time unless he's not, in which case the sages imprisoned Ganondorf and a later Link sorts it out anyway. That's pretty unsatisfactory and I doubt that was the intention when making OoT.Doesn't some later game say he defeated Ganon by traveling back and forth through time? If that's true and I'm not remembering it wrong, I think that's a decent argument for various timelines not being spawned out of every different scenario. In which case, we have no real explanation for why there's three timelines unless we accept that left is where Link loses and dies, which should be unsatisfactory as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Regaro_ 12/21/11 6:58:00 PM #214:	From: shadosneko \| #212 Wait, you can do the Water, Fire, and Forest temples in any order? whoa. Don't you need the Bow for that one quick-closing gate in the Water Temple? -- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png Didn't just lose to a nice guy. I lost to SuperNiceDog in the guru. <cite>_Regaro_ posted [p:584874] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> From: shadosneko \| #212Wait, you can do the Water, Fire, and Forest temples in any order?whoa.Don't you need the Bow for that one quick-closing gate in the Water Temple? -- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.pngDidn't just lose to a nice guy. I lost to SuperNiceDog in the guru. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadosneko 12/21/11 7:05:00 PM #215:	From: _Regaro_ \| #214 Don't you need the Bow for that one quick-closing gate in the Water Temple? Oh, I guess so, yeah. I got confused because it was said that you could do Fire/Water out of order and Forest/Fire out of order, so I took it as a transitional thing. -- http://backloggery.com/shados http://last.fm/user/ShadosNeko <cite>shadosneko posted [p:584875] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> From: _Regaro_ \| #214Don't you need the Bow for that one quick-closing gate in the Water Temple?Oh, I guess so, yeah.I got confused because it was said that you could do Fire/Water out of order and Forest/Fire out of order, so I took it as a transitional thing. -- http://backloggery.com/shadoshttp://last.fm/user/ShadosNeko </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TsunamiXXVIII 12/21/11 7:06:00 PM #216:	*_Regaro_ posted...* Just do an expanded Zelda 1 remake IMHO screw the fact it's been rereleased more times than we care to count (yes three(?) is an incredibly high number now) Forget remaking Zelda 1. The stated reason for Link continuing to remain silent is because he's supposed to be the player's avatar, their "link" to the game world (hence the name), and it would be wrong for someone else's voice to be coming out of his mouth. It's clear that despite not following the traditional RPG mechanics (like a leveling system), LoZ is meant to be a roleplaying game. Therefore, in order to better fit the developers' vision, we need more games in the vein of Zelda 2, the only one that even remotely resembles a traditional RPG. *UltimaterializerX posted...* This is so amazing on many levels, not the least of which is that we can finally disregard all of Wind Waker's vile spawn. Please just shut up. I know it's hard for you, but seriously. I mean, if there were any prong of this fork I'd want to get rid of, it'd be the center one, not the right one. Which is not to say that those games were bad, just not as good as the other two prongs. (Well, except for ALttP, which is horribly overrated.) *The Owner of FF9 posted...* The more mind blowing fact, to me, is that LA Link is in fact not LttP Link but OoX Link. Clearly OoX Link isn't LttP Link because there's a different Princess Zelda in those games. Any comments on this? This was the single thing that jumped out at me when I saw this timeline. Not even the three splits. There is no way OoX takes place between ALttP and LA. What the hell is their explanation for that? Yeah, same here. The Oracle games being in between ALttP and LA is a huge revelation. *Liquid Wind posted...* MM happens on the child timeline, and termina is never confirmed to be a physical place in the same sense as hyrule is. it could be something like the spirt realm, another dimension, ** the game almost seems to imply that the whole thing could be a mushroom trip... It wouldn't be the first time a Zelda game sort of implied that it was all just a dream. Link's Awakening, anyone? But yeah, summary is, the timeline is really ed up. Hopefully Skyward Sword is the first part of an MGS4-caliber "uning up of the continuity". I would find this absolutely hilarious. -- I'm a cat person, but I can still appreciate a SuperNiceDog. <cite>TsunamiXXVIII posted [p:584876] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> _Regaro_ posted...Just do an expanded Zelda 1 remake IMHOscrew the fact it's been rereleased more times than we care to count (yes three(?) is an incredibly high number now)Forget remaking Zelda 1. The stated reason for Link continuing to remain silent is because he's supposed to be the player's avatar, their "link" to the game world (hence the name), and it would be wrong for someone else's voice to be coming out of his mouth. It's clear that despite not following the traditional RPG mechanics (like a leveling system), LoZ is meant to be a roleplaying game. Therefore, in order to better fit the developers' vision, we need more games in the vein of Zelda 2, the only one that even remotely resembles a traditional RPG.UltimaterializerX posted...This is so amazing on many levels, not the least of which is that we can finally disregard all of Wind Waker's vile spawn.Please just shut up. I know it's hard for you, but seriously.I mean, if there were any prong of this fork I'd want to get rid of, it'd be the center one, not the right one. Which is not to say that those games were bad, just not as good as the other two prongs. (Well, except for ALttP, which is horribly overrated.)The Owner of FF9 posted...The more mind blowing fact, to me, is that LA Link is in fact not LttP Link but OoX Link. Clearly OoX Link isn't LttP Link because there's a different Princess Zelda in those games.Any comments on this?This was the single thing that jumped out at me when I saw this timeline. Not even the three splits.There is no way OoX takes place between ALttP and LA. What the hell is their explanation for that?Yeah, same here. The Oracle games being in between ALttP and LA is a huge revelation.Liquid Wind posted...MM happens on the child timeline, and termina is never confirmed to be a physical place in the same sense as hyrule is. it could be something like the spirt realm, another dimension, the game almost seems to imply that the whole thing could be a mushroom trip...It wouldn't be the first time a Zelda game sort of implied that it was all just a dream. Link's Awakening, anyone?But yeah, summary is, the timeline is really ed up. Hopefully Skyward Sword is the first part of an MGS4-caliber "un**ing up of the continuity". I would find this absolutely hilarious. -- I'm a cat person, but I can still appreciate a SuperNiceDog. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TsunamiXXVIII 12/21/11 7:09:00 PM #217:	*shadosneko posted...* From: HanOfTheNekos \| #205 Ganondorf walks in and says 'Thanks kid' then he grabs the Triforce of Power. Then he goes wild. Who is left to go there? It's not like Ganondorf immediately transforms Hyrule, I'm sure it still takes a couple months. From: TsunamiXXVIII \| #210 Fire/Forest, too. I for one had never entered the Forest Temple when I beat the Fire Temple. There is one door that requires the bow to open, but it's not essential. Wait, you can do the Water, Fire, and Forest temples in any order? whoa. Nah, I think you need the Fairy Bow to complete the Water Temple, but you neither need the Fairy Bow for the Fire Temple nor the Megaton Hammer for the Water Temple so these are all valid orders for the first three temples: Fire --> Forest --> Water Forest --> Fire --> Water Forest --> Water --> Fire -- I'm a cat person, but I can still appreciate a SuperNiceDog. <cite>TsunamiXXVIII posted [p:584877] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> shadosneko posted...From: HanOfTheNekos \| #205Ganondorf walks in and says 'Thanks kid' then he grabs the Triforce of Power. Then he goes wild.Who is left to go there?It's not like Ganondorf immediately transforms Hyrule, I'm sure it still takes a couple months.From: TsunamiXXVIII \| #210Fire/Forest, too. I for one had never entered the Forest Temple when I beat the Fire Temple. There is one door that requires the bow to open, but it's not essential.Wait, you can do the Water, Fire, and Forest temples in any order?whoa.Nah, I think you need the Fairy Bow to complete the Water Temple, but you neither need the Fairy Bow for the Fire Temple nor the Megaton Hammer for the Water Temple so these are all valid orders for the first three temples:Fire --> Forest --> WaterForest --> Fire --> WaterForest --> Water --> Fire -- I'm a cat person, but I can still appreciate a SuperNiceDog. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 12/21/11 7:15:00 PM #218:	In regards to an earlier point, I'm pretty sure it's not practical to reach the Spirit Temple with only the Longshot. By which I mean that to cross that quicksand valley area with only the Longshot, you actually have to step into the quicksand to be close enough to the target on the other side, and you'll drown almost immediately. At least that was my experience in trying this myself, because I do recall the guide claiming this was possible. I could have messed it up, though. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:584878] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> In regards to an earlier point, I'm pretty sure it's not practical to reach the Spirit Temple with only the Longshot. By which I mean that to cross that quicksand valley area with only the Longshot, you actually have to step into the quicksand to be close enough to the target on the other side, and you'll drown almost immediately. At least that was my experience in trying this myself, because I do recall the guide claiming this was possible.I could have messed it up, though. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land."-Toad, SMB3 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Regaro_ 12/21/11 7:16:00 PM #219:	IIRC you have to be good enough to do it while using Z-targeting to hold the camera in place, because there's just not enough time otherwise -- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png Didn't just lose to a nice guy. I lost to SuperNiceDog in the guru. <cite>_Regaro_ posted [p:584879] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> IIRC you have to be good enough to do it while using Z-targeting to hold the camera in place, because there's just not enough time otherwise -- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.pngDidn't just lose to a nice guy. I lost to SuperNiceDog in the guru. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadosneko 12/21/11 7:22:00 PM #220:	I'm gonna look up a low % run. I'm sure that'll be exciting. http://speedrunwiki.com/Minimal_runs_of_OoT -- http://backloggery.com/shados http://last.fm/user/ShadosNeko <cite>shadosneko posted [p:584880] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> I'm gonna look up a low % run.I'm sure that'll be exciting.http://speedrunwiki.com/Minimal_runs_of_OoT -- http://backloggery.com/shadoshttp://last.fm/user/ShadosNeko </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Meow1000 12/21/11 7:22:00 PM #221:	TIMELINES -- Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104 Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience. <cite>Meow1000 posted [p:584881] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> TIMELINES -- Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BAtenDiddy 12/21/11 7:42:00 PM #222:	This might have been proposed already but... wouldn't it go along the lines of this? Left: Adult Link timeline... Middle: Child Link (who then heads to Termina for MM) while he is gone... Right: Ganondorf does his thing, hyrule gets flooded and then another chosen to be a holder of the triforce of courage (long after OoT link has passed on) so in essence, WW and on can sort of be considered the same timeline as MM but involves a completely different Link ancestry thus another timeline? More on the Middle: with OoT hyrule flooded, there were only "dead sea scrolls" so to speak of a former hyrule (the land of SS) in which the new hyrulians named the lands after... In all, I think there's plenty of missing information that would explain how the timelines work but hopefully this doesn't mean Miyamoto is done... -- The Minute you're satisfied with your best, that's when you become your worst enemy. <cite>BAtenDiddy posted [p:584882] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> This might have been proposed already but... wouldn't it go along the lines of this? Left: Adult Link timeline... Middle: Child Link (who then heads to Termina for MM) while he is gone...Right:Ganondorf does his thing, hyrule gets flooded and then another chosen to be a holder of the triforce of courage (long after OoT link has passed on) so in essence, WW and on can sort of be considered the same timeline as MM but involves a completely different Link ancestry thus another timeline? More on the Middle: with OoT hyrule flooded, there were only "dead sea scrolls" so to speak of a former hyrule (the land of SS) in which the new hyrulians named the lands after... In all, I think there's plenty of missing information that would explain how the timelines work but hopefully this doesn't mean Miyamoto is done... -- The Minute you're satisfied with your best, that's when you become your worst enemy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLContests 12/21/11 7:48:00 PM #223:	Originally, I was going to say that Link going back in time as an adult in OoT is a red herring since anything could create a scenario in which Link fails, but I think I might have come up with a better way to explain things instead. A) There are two types of time to think about here. "Hyrule" time, and "Link" time. In a traditional time travel story, you generally deal with "Hyrule" time. This is the timeline for an entire universe. One timeline with various pasts/presents/futures to visit. B) "Link" time is someone's personal timeline, and can exist in multiple "Hyrule" times if someone is traveling between them. At the end of OoT, Zelda sends Link back in time to when he was a child, but this is in terms of "Link" time. She simply rewinds his "personal" time if that makes any sense. The timeline which Ocarina (almost entirely) takes place in, remains intact. This rewinding does create a separate "Hyrule" timeline. C) Now there's nothing in OoT to imply that Link going back as an adult is time travel in a universal or personal sense, but if it is in terms of "Link" time, it would explain how a new timeline is created. However, this does produce questions. If it is travel along "Link" time, then why isn't Link frozen in time when he returns to the moment he pulls the Master Sword? And is it even possible to move forward in "Link" time this way? Questions, but not unanswerable ones. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats! This is Yesmar. <cite>LOLContests posted [p:584883] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> Originally, I was going to say that Link going back in time as an adult in OoT is a red herring since anything could create a scenario in which Link fails, but I think I might have come up with a better way to explain things instead.A) There are two types of time to think about here. "Hyrule" time, and "Link" time. In a traditional time travel story, you generally deal with "Hyrule" time. This is the timeline for an entire universe. One timeline with various pasts/presents/futures to visit. B) "Link" time is someone's personal timeline, and can exist in multiple "Hyrule" times if someone is traveling between them. At the end of OoT, Zelda sends Link back in time to when he was a child, but this is in terms of "Link" time. She simply rewinds his "personal" time if that makes any sense. The timeline which Ocarina (almost entirely) takes place in, remains intact. This rewinding does create a separate "Hyrule" timeline.C) Now there's nothing in OoT to imply that Link going back as an adult is time travel in a universal or personal sense, but if it is in terms of "Link" time, it would explain how a new timeline is created. However, this does produce questions. If it is travel along "Link" time, then why isn't Link frozen in time when he returns to the moment he pulls the Master Sword? And is it even possible to move forward in "Link" time this way? Questions, but not unanswerable ones. -- My bracket wasn't good enough to beat SuperNiceDog's in the GameFAQS Rivalry Rumble. Congrats!This is Yesmar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 12/21/11 8:20:00 PM #224:	http://www.twitch.tv/cosmowright World Record holder is streaming right now. His path goes: Jabu Shadow Dodongo Forest Deku Tree Water Spirit Fire I watched him glitch through Water temple. You only need the bombs to do it. No other item is required. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] best [poelkemon ids nifdorino - Timjab <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:584884] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> http://www.twitch.tv/cosmowrightWorld Record holder is streaming right now.His path goes:JabuShadowDodongoForestDeku TreeWaterSpiritFireI watched him glitch through Water temple. You only need the bombs to do it. No other item is required. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]best [poelkemon ids nifdorino - Timjab </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 12/21/11 8:26:00 PM #225:	Best thing to come out of this is I got to read FFD's timeline. Spent a good...half hour? with that. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:584885] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> Best thing to come out of this is I got to read FFD's timeline.Spent a good...half hour? with that. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
firebotslash 12/21/11 8:29:00 PM #226:	(didn't read topic) middle = link back in his own time right = the future with link sealing ganon but then him going back to his old time and thus the story of WW left = ????? -- "Sorry pop music lyrics don't use ancient Hebrew religious imagery as an illusion to the class struggle in French Indochina as you grind on a girl." <cite>firebotslash posted [p:584886] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> (didn't read topic)middle = link back in his own timeright = the future with link sealing ganon but then him going back to his old time and thus the story of WWleft = ????? -- "Sorry pop music lyrics don't use ancient Hebrew religious imagery as an illusion to the class struggle in French Indochina as you grind on a girl." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
firebotslash 12/21/11 8:30:00 PM #227:	Also is there any explanation to why SS and TP places have the same names? (Faron/Eldon/Lanayru) -- "Sorry pop music lyrics don't use ancient Hebrew religious imagery as an illusion to the class struggle in French Indochina as you grind on a girl." <cite>firebotslash posted [p:584887] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> Also is there any explanation to why SS and TP places have the same names? (Faron/Eldon/Lanayru) -- "Sorry pop music lyrics don't use ancient Hebrew religious imagery as an illusion to the class struggle in French Indochina as you grind on a girl." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 12/22/11 1:41:00 AM #228:	bump -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch <cite>redrocket posted [p:584888] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> bump -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Azp2k32 12/22/11 2:15:00 AM #229:	*firebotslash posted...* Also is there any explanation to why SS and TP places have the same names? (Faron/Eldon/Lanayru) They clearly don't care about all that, as evidenced by LttP and FSA looking near identical geographically. Especially when that can just be magicked away as being "oh those names are similar to the goddess' so they probably just took the goddess' names and thought they sounded nice and they sounded nice to the people of both times" or something. -- http://www.nbc.com/parks-and-recreation/exclusives/ron-dancing-animated.gif <cite>Azp2k32 posted [p:584889] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> firebotslash posted...Also is there any explanation to why SS and TP places have the same names? (Faron/Eldon/Lanayru)They clearly don't care about all that, as evidenced by LttP and FSA looking near identical geographically. Especially when that can just be magicked away as being "oh those names are similar to the goddess' so they probably just took the goddess' names and thought they sounded nice and they sounded nice to the people of both times" or something. -- http://www.nbc.com/parks-and-recreation/exclusives/ron-dancing-animated.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Takfloyd_mkII__ 12/22/11 6:36:00 AM #230:	Wait, you can do the Water, Fire, and Forest temples in any order? whoa. Pretty sure you can do all the dungeons in pretty much any order. The popular "Uber challenge" has these rules, among others: No Iron Boots No Goron Bracelet No Fire Arrows No Lens of Truth No Longshot No Silver Scale No Zora Tunic No Gerudo's Card Cannot use Din's Fire outside the central room of the Water Temple Cannot use Megaton Hammer outside the Fire Temple Cannot use bottle except to show Ruto's letter to King Zora Cannot learn any songs except Song of Time, Zelda's Lullaby, and Minuet of Forest Must have Shadow Medallion before entering Forest Temple IIRC doing this involves completing the Child portion of the Spirit Temple before even entering the Deku Tree. -- Signature change in progress... Please wait. <cite>Takfloyd_mkII__ posted [p:584890] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> Wait, you can do the Water, Fire, and Forest temples in any order?whoa.Pretty sure you can do all the dungeons in pretty much any order. The popular "Uber challenge" has these rules, among others:No Iron BootsNo Goron BraceletNo Fire ArrowsNo Lens of TruthNo LongshotNo Silver ScaleNo Zora TunicNo Gerudo's CardCannot use Din's Fire outside the central room of the Water TempleCannot use Megaton Hammer outside the Fire TempleCannot use bottle except to show Ruto's letter to King ZoraCannot learn any songs except Song of Time, Zelda's Lullaby, and Minuet of ForestMust have Shadow Medallion before entering Forest TempleIIRC doing this involves completing the Child portion of the Spirit Temple before even entering the Deku Tree. -- Signature change in progress... Please wait. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Regaro_ 12/22/11 8:13:00 AM #231:	From: Takfloyd_mkII__ \| #230 IIRC doing this involves completing the Child portion of the Spirit Temple before even entering the Deku Tree. Did it? I remember giving this a shot once, and I remember clearing the Deku Tree -> spending hours on the bomb jump or whatever over the Gerudo Gate. I could be wrong, though. It's been ~6 years or so. -- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png Didn't just lose to a nice guy. I lost to SuperNiceDog in the guru. <cite>_Regaro_ posted [p:584891] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> From: Takfloyd_mkII__ \| #230IIRC doing this involves completing the Child portion of the Spirit Temple before even entering the Deku Tree.Did it? I remember giving this a shot once, and I remember clearing the Deku Tree -> spending hours on the bomb jump or whatever over the Gerudo Gate.I could be wrong, though. It's been ~6 years or so. -- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.pngDidn't just lose to a nice guy. I lost to SuperNiceDog in the guru. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadosneko 12/22/11 8:15:00 AM #232:	From: Takfloyd_mkII__ \| #230 Wait, you can do the Water, Fire, and Forest temples in any order? whoa. Pretty sure you can do all the dungeons in pretty much any order. The popular "Uber challenge" has these rules, among others: No Iron Boots No Goron Bracelet No Fire Arrows No Lens of Truth No Longshot No Silver Scale No Zora Tunic No Gerudo's Card Cannot use Din's Fire outside the central room of the Water Temple Cannot use Megaton Hammer outside the Fire Temple Cannot use bottle except to show Ruto's letter to King Zora Cannot learn any songs except Song of Time, Zelda's Lullaby, and Minuet of Forest Must have Shadow Medallion before entering Forest Temple IIRC doing this involves completing the Child portion of the Spirit Temple before even entering the Deku Tree. I think I'll do this on OoT3D if possible. Sounds fun. -- http://backloggery.com/shados http://last.fm/user/ShadosNeko <cite>shadosneko posted [p:584892] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> From: Takfloyd_mkII__ \| #230Wait, you can do the Water, Fire, and Forest temples in any order?whoa.Pretty sure you can do all the dungeons in pretty much any order. The popular "Uber challenge" has these rules, among others:No Iron BootsNo Goron BraceletNo Fire ArrowsNo Lens of TruthNo LongshotNo Silver ScaleNo Zora TunicNo Gerudo's CardCannot use Din's Fire outside the central room of the Water TempleCannot use Megaton Hammer outside the Fire TempleCannot use bottle except to show Ruto's letter to King ZoraCannot learn any songs except Song of Time, Zelda's Lullaby, and Minuet of ForestMust have Shadow Medallion before entering Forest TempleIIRC doing this involves completing the Child portion of the Spirit Temple before even entering the Deku Tree.I think I'll do this on OoT3D if possible. Sounds fun. -- http://backloggery.com/shadoshttp://last.fm/user/ShadosNeko </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QuinticWarrior 12/22/11 10:33:00 AM #233:	*_Regaro_ posted...* From: Takfloyd_mkII__ \| #230 IIRC doing this involves completing the Child portion of the Spirit Temple before even entering the Deku Tree. Did it? I remember giving this a shot once, and I remember clearing the Deku Tree -> spending hours on the bomb jump or whatever over the Gerudo Gate. I could be wrong, though. It's been ~6 years or so. That's what prevented the world record holder from beating his record last night! -- HanoftheNekos, Quint Player, Popular at Bars <cite>QuinticWarrior posted [p:584893] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> _Regaro_ posted...From: Takfloyd_mkII__ \| #230IIRC doing this involves completing the Child portion of the Spirit Temple before even entering the Deku Tree.Did it? I remember giving this a shot once, and I remember clearing the Deku Tree -> spending hours on the bomb jump or whatever over the Gerudo Gate.I could be wrong, though. It's been ~6 years or so.That's what prevented the world record holder from beating his record last night! -- HanoftheNekos, Quint Player, Popular at Bars </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 12/22/11 5:21:00 PM #234:	bump -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch <cite>redrocket posted [p:584894] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> bump -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 12/22/11 5:29:00 PM #235:	Admittedly, Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks are the worst without doubt. TP's timeline is only saved by the presence of MM. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:584895] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> Admittedly, Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks are the worst without doubt.TP's timeline is only saved by the presence of MM. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Regaro_ 12/22/11 5:31:00 PM #236:	From: shadosneko \| #232 I think I'll do this on OoT3D if possible. Sounds fun. IIRC 3D fixed most of the glitches you need to do it I used to have a list of 'em on hand but not at this point. -- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png Didn't just lose to a nice guy. I lost to SuperNiceDog in the guru. <cite>_Regaro_ posted [p:584896] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> From: shadosneko \| #232I think I'll do this on OoT3D if possible. Sounds fun.IIRC 3D fixed most of the glitches you need to do itI used to have a list of 'em on hand but not at this point. -- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.pngDidn't just lose to a nice guy. I lost to SuperNiceDog in the guru. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 12/22/11 5:48:00 PM #237:	From: shadosneko \| #220 I'm gonna look up a low % run. I'm sure that'll be exciting. http://speedrunwiki.com/Minimal_runs_of_OoT what is with this site http://speedrunwiki.com/Insurance_companies_need_to_stop_calling_me_i_have_no_ok_29223 http://speedrunwiki.com/I_hope_you_have_hobo_stab_insurance_17 http://speedrunwiki.com/Meladerm_-Skin_Lightning_Treatments -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:584897] in Nintendo o... [t:61420264]...</cite> <quote> From: shadosneko \| #220I'm gonna look up a low % run.I'm sure that'll be exciting.http://speedrunwiki.com/Minimal_runs_of_OoTwhat is with this sitehttp://speedrunwiki.com/Insurance_companies_need_to_stop_calling_me_i_have_no_ok_29223http://speedrunwiki.com/I_hope_you_have_hobo_stab_insurance_17http://speedrunwiki.com/Meladerm_-Skin_Lightning_Treatments -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazinehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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