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JeffreyRaze
12/28/11 10:01:00 PM
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Some_Character
-The Workings of Chaotic Mana
-The Sword of Distance
-The Uncountable Imperial Castings of Time
-Light Transformation
-Gray Web of Enchantment
-Sacred Incatation of Negation
-Beast's Hand of Light
-Hex of Absorbs Perfection

VS

Luis_Sera89
-Breathing Alteration
-The Perfected Hex of Ooze
-Curse of Time and Barbs
-Rain of Lava and Disappearance
-Electrical Bolts
-Abjuration of Conjuration
-Greater Casting of the Thunderous Chain
-Accuracy Control

The fight will take place in the “Coleoseum of Forbidden Illusions”

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Team Rocket Elite
12/28/11 10:06:00 PM
#2:


Accuracy Control is key here. A Coleoseum is a fairly open battlefield. However in the Coleoseum of Forbidden Illusions, it's hard to even know where your opponent is. Luis_Sera89 can close his eyes and use Accuracy Control to fling whatever attacks he wants at Some_Character. Illusions in a Coleoseum are likely to include a lot of fake attacks. Some_Character won't know which are real and will have to defend against a ton of fake ones. Once again with Accuracy Control, Luis_Sera89 can assume they won't connect.

Luis_Sera89 uses Accuracy Control + Greater Casting of the Thunderous Chain to take out Some_Character before Some_Character can track him down is how I see the battle going.

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JeffreyRaze
12/28/11 10:39:00 PM
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Some_Character
12/29/11 1:44:00 AM
#4:


Accuracy Control will be negated by the Incatation of Negation. Even if you restrict it to special effects, since Accuracy Control just screams that. After that I can use Beast's Hand + Transformation for a barrage of lethal homing sonic speed shurikens. If those don't do the trick immediately I seize control over time with Castings to end the tournament.

Some_Character

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Team Rocket Elite
12/29/11 2:05:00 AM
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The illusions are the problem here. You can't use Incatation of Negation on Accuracy Control because you have no idea where Luis_Sera89 is or what he's doing. You can try to use Incatation of Negation to remove the illusions but that's too slow. Luis_Sera89 will have already sent a Accuracy Control lightning barrage in your direction.

Even assuming you can create homing shurikens, the set up time is longer. You need to use Beast's Hand of Light and Light Transformation before firing off the shurikens. Also they move slower and are less deadly than a lightning barrage. Throw in interference from Accuracy Control and those shurikens may not even connect. Due to the illusions you won't even be able to track the shurikens to locate and interfere with Accuracy Control.

There's no way "The Uncountable Imperial Castings of Time " has a shorter casting time than Electrical Bolts or even Greater Casting of the Thunderous Chain. You're preparing an uncountable number of temporal distortion spells. I would expect it takes high concentration to keep control of as well. You can't just sit around casting either since you don't know which of the illusions around you are real attacks or which are fake. Luis_Sera89 doesn't have this problem due to the Accuracy Control defense.

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Team Rocket Elite
12/29/11 2:09:00 AM
#6:


I also want to point out that Sacred Incatation of Negation has an exploitable flaw. An incantation is a series of words you need to speak. Breathing Alteration can shut down this spell.

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Some_Character
12/29/11 2:39:00 AM
#7:


From: Team Rocket Elite | #005
The illusions are the problem here. You can't use Incatation of Negation on Accuracy Control because you have no idea where Luis_Sera89 is or what he's doing. You can try to use Incatation of Negation to remove the illusions but that's too slow. Luis_Sera89 will have already sent a Accuracy Control lightning barrage in your direction.


My interpretation of the arena is that it forbids the use of illusions rather than having innate illusions around it, since it's hard to qualify any kind of illusion to be forbidden. It should really be no problem to see Luis and use the Incatation, especially if we obey terrain neutrality and one doesn't get the advantageous starting point. A Coleoseum is a rather open battlefield after all.

Even assuming you can create homing shurikens, the set up time is longer. You need to use Beast's Hand of Light and Light Transformation before firing off the shurikens. Also they move slower and are less deadly than a lightning barrage. Throw in interference from Accuracy Control and those shurikens may not even connect. Due to the illusions you won't even be able to track the shurikens to locate and interfere with Accuracy Control.


The extent to which Light Tranformation + Beast's Hand works is really limited to my own imagination and utility. It's incredibly flexible. Both of them are in fact very fast, even together. Light is just that quick, and transforming a intangible happen close to me would never take more than a second either. Accuracy Control is still negated, so one of the attacks is homing and one is not.

And seriously, what about "lethal" tells you "less deadly"?

There's no way "The Uncountable Imperial Castings of Time " has a shorter casting time than Electrical Bolts or even Greater Casting of the Thunderous Chain. You're preparing an uncountable number of temporal distortion spells. I would expect it takes high concentration to keep control of as well. You can't just sit around casting either since you don't know which of the illusions around you are real attacks or which are fake. Luis_Sera89 doesn't have this problem due to the Accuracy Control defense.


I'm preparing absolutely nothing with this spell. It's not a charged spell or a ritual. It's a regular spell that due to the Uncountable innate has a ludicrously fast casting time, otherwise you would be able to keep up with it, negating the point of the Uncountable part. What you're envisioning Luis here to do is to keep up high speed electric attacks (faster than sonic speed according to yourself) and then use that tiny window of time to steer the attack to someone who may or may not be there. This requires a great deal more concentration than simply casting a single burst spell.

From: Team Rocket Elite | #006
I also want to point out that Sacred Incatation of Negation has an exploitable flaw. An incantation is a series of words you need to speak. Breathing Alteration can shut down this spell.


Assuming it can even get through the Incatation safety net to begin with. There's a sequence of events here.

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Lopen
12/29/11 2:53:00 AM
#8:


Terrain to me says that this fight is going to start suddenly due to illusions distracting both sides. Basically it's gonna be a match of who can dump the damage on quicker because I see this as both sides coming in surprised when the fight starts (or it being a crap shoot who gets the jump on the other due to no sort of recon spells from either side)

Luis wins this due to a rain of lava and electrical bolts having higher sudden damage output than Some_Character who has no great one part nukes. Hand of Light + transform light is good but Luis can get the job done with one spell, not two. He's also more likely to survive if SomeC gets the jump on him due to accuracy control than SomeC is to survive if Luis gets the jump on him.

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Some_Character
12/29/11 3:05:00 AM
#9:


From: Lopen | #008
Luis wins this due to a rain of lava and electrical bolts having higher sudden damage output than Some_Character who has no great one part nukes. Hand of Light + transform light is good but Luis can get the job done with one spell, not two. He's also more likely to survive if SomeC gets the jump on him due to accuracy control than SomeC is to survive if Luis gets the jump on him.


The Rain of Lava and Disappearance isn't indicative of anything since in a coleoseum Luis is just as susceptible to it as anyone else. In this terrain it's a neutral spell both at best and at worst. And Beast's Hand + Light Transformation isn't strictly used as offense. Neither lava nor electricity can go through the Beast's Hand of the Elemental Vacuum, for instance. And both Time and Negation disqualify Accuracy as a factor.

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TRE Public Account
12/29/11 10:36:00 AM
#10:


Bump

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JeffreyRaze
12/29/11 11:18:00 AM
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Sceptilesolarbeam
12/29/11 11:38:00 AM
#12:


Colosseum... Forbidden Illusions bans illusion spells, which isn't really a big deal to anyone.

As for Breathing Alteration, I've usually interpreted it as a self-affecting spell. I don't think he can use it to alter his enemy's ability to breathe.

So basically, Luis's offense combined with Accuracy Control is tremendously deadly as normal, but Workings of Chaotic Mana can counter that somewhat.

How I suspect this will go down is that Some_C uses Workings of Chaotic Mana, while Luis fires off accurate thunder and lightning attacks. Some fail due to disrupted mana; others will have to be negated, but in the end, I don't think Some_C has any good way of winning. He has to play defensive because his offense doesn't cut it, but he can't do it indefinitely.

Luis.

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JeffreyRaze
12/29/11 12:13:00 PM
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JeffreyRaze
12/29/11 1:41:00 PM
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Luis_Sera89
12/29/11 2:03:00 PM
#15:


Someone's been cheating. I've got some kind of virus today and feel awful :(

Anyway, I think a coleoseum doesn't offer much protection against the AoE I have in souped up electrical spells and rain of lava. Being able to improve accuracy only helps too. I can also abjure conjurations which seems like the bulk of SC's offence.

Luis

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JeffreyRaze
12/29/11 2:32:00 PM
#16:


I have a cold V_V

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JeffreyRaze
12/29/11 3:17:00 PM
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JeffreyRaze
12/29/11 4:01:00 PM
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JeffreyRaze
12/29/11 4:40:00 PM
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Silverliner182V
12/29/11 4:44:00 PM
#20:


Luis

accuracy control is broken

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Ayvuir
12/29/11 4:49:00 PM
#21:


GTM needs to be beaten, i see Luis' spells being more suited to beating this SUN OF NOTHING PIECE OF CRAP that beat me last year.

Luis also has this battle for me.

Electrical Bolts are fast, and with Accuracy Control can hit quickly. With Breathing Alteration he can also use that to put off Some_Character from putting up any defences in time.

Luis' pure speed and accuracy of his spells here make the battle his.

Luis Sera

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JeffreyRaze
12/29/11 5:33:00 PM
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Wanglicious
12/29/11 5:47:00 PM
#23:


gotta favor luis here. SC's the better trapper, but luis is the quick striker of death thus far.

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JeffreyRaze
12/29/11 6:18:00 PM
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Team Rocket Elite
12/29/11 6:23:00 PM
#25:


Luis_Sera89

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CommodoreTN
12/29/11 6:32:00 PM
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I can't believe its the final round and people are still misspelling incantation >_>

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Team Rocket Elite
12/29/11 6:41:00 PM
#27:


I just copy and paste the spelling used in the spell name. I assume that's what others are doing as well.

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Some_Character
12/29/11 6:43:00 PM
#28:


Just rolling with whatever name's listed.

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Team Rocket Elite
12/29/11 6:50:00 PM
#29:


You could work the misspelling into the spell.

Sacred Incatation of Negation

This actually summons sacred anti-magic cats that negate all magic in a nearby area. Abjuration of Conjuration is ineffective as an unsummon since it can't get past the anti-magic field. The cats provide a shield for Some_Character against Luis_Sera89's lightning attacks which get dispelled near the cats.

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masterplum
12/29/11 6:51:00 PM
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Luis

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Some_Character
12/29/11 6:53:00 PM
#31:


Heh. If I'd taken Feline's Voidness Assault we'd have a pool of cats. That'd be a sight to see.

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JeffreyRaze
12/29/11 6:58:00 PM
#32:


Hey, I'm just copy pasting of the site myself. I mean, dunjon? Hell, Coleoseum is pretty mangled as well >_>...

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JeffreyRaze
12/29/11 7:36:00 PM
#33:


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JeffreyRaze
12/29/11 8:36:00 PM
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azuarc
12/29/11 8:50:00 PM
#35:


Both combatants enter the Colosseum out of random spectator gates. The stadium is filled with naked old people and other horrible things that should be forbidden from view. The imaginary crowd is cheering for imaginary, ridiculously huge monsters while imaginary fireworks and laser light shows are making it impossible to focus one's attention of much of anything. SC and Luis know each other are there, and began walking among the stone benches, hoping to stumble upon the other.

As Luis is walking through one section, the crowd and the other rando distractions disappear in front of him in a circle that he is on the front edge of. Unbeknownst to him, SC has used a Sacred Incantation of Negation to remove the illusions. Confused, he steps back, but not before SC notices him initially and attempts to slash at him with the Sword of Distance. Unfortunately, Luis had stepped back into the "crowd," making him hard to track, and SC missed even without Accuracy Control being employed. Worse, SC has given away his general position to Luis now.

Both combatants now have a crude idea where the other is. SC figured Luis can't have gotten far from where he saw him and uses a Light Transformation in the general vicinity, which helps him spot Luis, but unfortunately at the same time Luis has used a Rain of Lava and Disappearance. SC realizes the danger and runs in a hurry before he gets dissolved by magma droplets, and loses his bead on Luis. The disappearance of the rain penetrates the illusion and the lava burns away the colosseum's stone seats.

The illusory crowd is running everywhere now, imaginary ravens are attempting to peck out Luis's eye, fake walls are in SC's path as he flees headlong through them, but loses his sense of direction and eventually stumbles on the seating of the next row up. Luis channels a Curse of Time and Barbs where he thinks he saw SC, slowing down everything nearby and creating massive metallic thorns. As SC recovers, he feels...heavy, wooden, like he is moving underwater. Things around him seem to have accelerated. His thoughts might be slower, but not so slow he can't deduce what is happening in what is (in real time) reasonable quick. He uses The Uncountable Imperial Castings of Time to enhance his speed to a much greater speed, not only compared to what Luis's hex has done, but compared to real time as well since the haste spell casts an uncountable number of times.

Some_Character starts to zip around looking for Luis, but hasn't accounted for the not-so-illusory barbs, which pierce his skin as he runs into them. As random Electrical Bolts are firing off in his general direction, he uses the Beast's Hand of Light to overwhelm the illusions, leaving him with a bit of clarity. The light also blinds Luis, who squints and aims one last electrical bolt at the shining beacon, but The Workings of Chaotic Mana cause it to discharge in his face instead.

Badly burned from the electricity, temporarily blinded, and at a serious speed disadvantage, it would appear that Luis would be screwed here, however Some_Character is also wounded and happens to be out of spells. SC charges at Luis ridiculously quickly and punches him across the face. Luis reels, and before he can even stagger to the ground, SC is upon him. Luis will be bludgeoned into submission if his next spell cannot make a difference.

He casts Accuracy Control, and Some_Character's punches miss spectacularly as Luis channels SC's fist into the stone of the colosseum itself instead. SC may be very fast right now, but the degree to which his coordination is lacking is ridiculous, as his body swings back and forth, and contorts itself, and he twists himself onto the ground, flailing back and forth in an effort to pick himself up unsuccessfully. Luis casts a great thunderous chain to leash SC tightly to the ground, and then alters his breathing until he suffocates.

WInner: Luis_Sera89

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Pirateking2000
12/29/11 9:28:00 PM
#36:


Luis

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JeffreyRaze
12/29/11 9:42:00 PM
#37:


I'll put the bonus match up around noon PST tomorrow, better to start with people around. Also, I'm sick and want to go to bed right this instant. G'night.

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