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JaKyL25 01/04/12 9:55:00 AM #101: |
From: My Immortal | #097 Was there a questionnaire or something with that as a question? -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VincentLauw 01/04/12 9:56:00 AM #102: |
From: My Immortal | #100 This seems like something that would happen in a parody video or something -- http://img.imgcake.com/mosdefswaggifes.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CrimsonOcean 01/04/12 9:56:00 AM #103: |
Wow. That sucks man. That just might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
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My Immortal 01/04/12 9:57:00 AM #104: |
Yeah. The best part is we're planning on starting to file for adoption of a child by the end of 2012. Great track record so far!
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JaKyL25 01/04/12 9:57:00 AM #105: |
Well we all know that dogs are super-conservative when it comes to what is appropriate to hump. <____<
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MarvelousGerbil 01/04/12 9:57:00 AM #106: |
My Immortal posted...
Are you serious? Like, this actually happened to you? What did they say? How can this even be possible? Yup. The people came to meet with me to make sure I'd have a fit home for the dog, I introduced them to my boyfriend, they said this was not a fit home and left right away. XD what the hell is wrong with people? Was it some kind of agency or a private owner? -- http://i.imgur.com/6XjQR.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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My Immortal 01/04/12 9:57:00 AM #107: |
But it does have a happy ending, we do have a dog now who we spoil rotten. :)
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DeepsPraw 01/04/12 9:57:00 AM #108: |
Dude, go to the media or something.
A story like that would be sure to be picked up by somebody. -- Jerry Sandusky is a football God! Jerry Sandusky is a football LEGEND! http://youtu.be/B3fRhOfkc_w ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 01/04/12 9:58:00 AM #109: |
That's um.......well.......freedom above all?
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My Immortal 01/04/12 9:58:00 AM #110: |
XD what the hell is wrong with people? Was it some kind of agency or a private owner?
Private owner. She was also wearing a cross necklace! -- http://www.backloggery.com/myimmortal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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My Immortal 01/04/12 9:59:00 AM #111: |
Also, my sophomore year of college, pretty much the same thing happened. My randomly assigned roommate walked in, I introduced him to myself and my boyfriend who was in my room and he instantly left and demanded a new room from our RD. >_>
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JaKyL25 01/04/12 9:59:00 AM #112: |
You should go walk your dog together in front of their house and totally act like gay stereotypes.
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My Immortal 01/04/12 10:00:00 AM #113: |
Dude, go to the media or something.
Eh, it was 2.5 years ago at this point, I'm over it. -- http://www.backloggery.com/myimmortal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 01/04/12 10:01:00 AM #114: |
From: red sox 777 | #109 Well of course they're free to refuse their dog to a gay couple, but that just makes us more free to make fun of them -- _foolmo_ 'I love you so much' - SineNomine ... Copied to Clipboard!
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My Immortal 01/04/12 10:01:00 AM #115: |
"Ooooh we made our dog Perez just so fabulous!"
If Perez Hilton wasn't one of my least favorite people on the planet, maybe I'd consider this! -- http://www.backloggery.com/myimmortal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MarvelousGerbil 01/04/12 10:02:00 AM #116: |
My Immortal posted...
Also, my sophomore year of college, pretty much the same thing happened. My randomly assigned roommate walked in, I introduced him to myself and my boyfriend who was in my room and he instantly left and demanded a new room from our RD. >_> To be fair, if he was hoping to steal your girlfriend. Disappointment comes in many forms. -- http://i.imgur.com/6XjQR.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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My Immortal 01/04/12 10:03:00 AM #117: |
To be fair, if he was hoping to steal your girlfriend. Disappointment comes in many forms.
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muddersmilk 01/04/12 10:04:00 AM #118: |
Again, we're getting back to the segregation example. Gay parents should have a civil right to adoption.
Again, liken it to the civil rights movement. I guess those black kids could just have gone to a different school, huh? It's really not. In this case it is a religious institution making decisions based on their religious beliefs. The same as how a church should not be forced to allow gays to marry in their building simply because they are legally able to marry. The state should not be able to force a church to act in opposition to their beliefs. The decision should be up to the pastor and the congregation, not the government. Otherwise you have government dictating religion which is no better than religion dictating government. So yeah, if it was a Morman church back in 1960 they should be able to turn down a black couple. Does that mean their beliefs are right? Not necessarily, but it is the beliefs of the institution and is well known to the people getting involved. Sorry to hear that My Immortal, people can be idiots. -- (Maniac64 at work) Guns don't kill people, Kinder eggs do. I saw it in a post on GameFAQs. ~FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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muddersmilk 01/04/12 10:05:00 AM #119: |
My Immortal posted...
To be fair, if he was hoping to steal your girlfriend. Disappointment comes in many forms. Straight people should realize that having a gay friend is a GREAT way to meet girls! As a straight guy who has had two gay roommates this is very true. And you never have to worry about competing with the roommate for the girl. Gay guys make great wingmen. -- (Maniac64 at work) Guns don't kill people, Kinder eggs do. I saw it in a post on GameFAQs. ~FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 01/04/12 10:07:00 AM #120: |
From: DeepsPraw | #098 Don't get so hooked up on this. It's like saying that it's bad that Muslims can't pray at Christian churches. Just go to a mosque, that's what they're for. "But omg that's segregation, separate can never be equal" Not everything needs to accommodate everything else to be "equal". Anti-gay Christian adoption agencies don't need to accommodate gay people, as long as there are equal opportunities for those gay people to adopt elsewhere. There's no law that says adoption agencies can't adopt to gay people, or that the best children go to the Christian agencies and the gay ones get the scraps. You can have 2 agencies identical in quality, where one doesn't adopt to gays and the other does, and that's perfectly fair. -- _foolmo_ 'Oh please, if foolmo made that analogy you'd think it was picture perfect' - Biolizard28 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MarvelousGerbil 01/04/12 10:11:00 AM #122: |
foolm0ron posted...
From: DeepsPraw | #098 Again, we're getting back to the segregation example. Gay parents should have a civil right to adoption. Again, liken it to the civil rights movement. I guess those black kids could just have gone to a different school, huh? Don't get so hooked up on this. It's like saying that it's bad that Muslims can't pray at Christian churches. Just go to a mosque, that's what they're for. "But omg that's segregation, separate can never be equal" Not everything needs to accommodate everything else to be "equal". Anti-gay Christian adoption agencies don't need to accommodate gay people, as long as there are equal opportunities for those gay people to adopt elsewhere. There's no law that says adoption agencies can't adopt to gay people, or that the best children go to the Christian agencies and the gay ones get the scraps. You can have 2 agencies identical in quality, where one doesn't adopt to gays and the other does, and that's perfectly fair. In this case it should also be a matter of availability. I'm honestly not sure how widespread adoption agencies are, but let's say you live in a small rural area and there's only one adoption agency within a 3 hour drive of where you live. In this case it would be unfair of the one agency to be anti-gay. On the other hand, if there are two within a block of each other, one that allows gay adoption and one that doesn't, let them do what they want. -- http://i.imgur.com/6XjQR.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/04/12 10:12:00 AM #123: |
From: foolm0ron | #120 That's fair, and it really doesn't become too big of an issue until all the kids at pro-gay-couple adoption agencies are all adopted (which sadly will never come to pass even with a large influx of gay couples looking to adopt) and the kids at Christian agencies are still waiting for homes. It just sickens me that there are people who would rather let a kid grow up without a family than let him or her be raised by a gay couple. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biolizard28 01/04/12 10:12:00 AM #124: |
From: foolm0ron | #120 Except anti-gay adoption agencies are actively denying children a chance at finding a loving home just because the agency has a policy against gay people. It stops becoming about what gay people can and cannot do the second you involve the children. How would you like to tell one of the kids that they might have been able to get adopted yesterday to a nice family with a lot of support, but they were gay, so you turned them away? -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeepsPraw 01/04/12 10:16:00 AM #125: |
The church example doesn't apply because there are zero similarities between places of prayer and adoption agencies.
You say it's alright if it's equal, but the problem is that things are never always equal. Consider a gay couple living in the middle of nowhere, with only one adoption agency within 100 miles. If that agency is bigoted, then they're plum out of luck. -- Jerry Sandusky is a football God! Jerry Sandusky is a football LEGEND! http://youtu.be/B3fRhOfkc_w ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 01/04/12 10:18:00 AM #126: |
Not really. For as big an event as adopting a child, I'm sure you can travel more than 100 miles. Or 200. Or 300. This isn't the 1800s.
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JaKyL25 01/04/12 10:19:00 AM #127: |
What is the procedure for determining if the couple is fit to raise the child?
If it involves someone from the agency coming to their home (as I'm guessing it does), then distance does become an issue. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeepsPraw 01/04/12 10:21:00 AM #128: |
red sox 777 posted...
Not really. For as big an event as adopting a child, I'm sure you can travel more than 100 miles. Or 200. Or 300. This isn't the 1800s. Sure, you could hop on a plane and spend more money, but why should you have to when there are kids nearby waiting for homes, and the only thing standing between them and you is a homophobe? That isn't fair to the kids or to you. -- Jerry Sandusky is a football God! Jerry Sandusky is a football LEGEND! http://youtu.be/B3fRhOfkc_w ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 01/04/12 10:22:00 AM #129: |
From: DeepsPraw | #125 Do you know how analogies work? What if a Muslim couple is in the middle of nowhere and there's only a Christian church within 100 miles? The thing with availability is that, you're going to have unfair areas of the country. Some places suck for gay people, some places suck for Muslim people, some places suck for mexicans, some places suck for poor people, etc., but the important part is that some places DON'T suck. If you're not willing/able to move to a better place for the benefit of your child, how can you be a suitable parent? Unless you know of a way (or even think it is possible) to make EVERYONE happy EVERYWHERE, then let me know how I can vote you into some position of power cuz I would like to see that. -- _foolmo_ 'Illegal activities is a slight misnomer, most of it is not related to material that is actually illegal.' - nintendogrl1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MarvelousGerbil 01/04/12 10:24:00 AM #130: |
red sox 777 posted...
Not really. For as big an event as adopting a child, I'm sure you can travel more than 100 miles. Or 200. Or 300. This isn't the 1800s. It's still not fair to have to though. And I'm pretty sure adoption isn't a one visit ordeal. It's not like you're driving 6 hours putting them in the car and then driving home. It's a pretty long process. I'm also pretty sure a lot of agencies want to meet with friends and family of the potential adoptors to see if it's a good home, good fit, etc. That would mean that you're either making an agency rep travel a long distance, or some of the adoptor's friends/family travel pretty far. I'd hope that if you're adopting you have friends that are willing to go the extra mile (ha) for you, but that doesn't make it fair. -- http://i.imgur.com/6XjQR.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeepsPraw 01/04/12 10:27:00 AM #131: |
foolm0ron posted...
From: DeepsPraw | #125 The church example doesn't apply because there are zero similarities between places of prayer and adoption agencies. Do you know how analogies work? What if a Muslim couple is in the middle of nowhere and there's only a Christian church within 100 miles? The difference between a church and a mosque is vastly different than the difference between two adoption agencies. A church offers little to a Muslim, but for a gay couple looking to adopt, an adoption agency is just what they want. -- Jerry Sandusky is a football God! Jerry Sandusky is a football LEGEND! http://youtu.be/B3fRhOfkc_w ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revenus 01/04/12 10:28:00 AM #132: |
cyclo with posts defending gays what a surprise
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foolm0ron 01/04/12 10:28:00 AM #133: |
From: JaKyL25 | #123 From: Biolizard28 | #124 From: DeepsPraw | #128 That's an entirely different issue. I dunno how the legislation works for these agencies, but they are private companies with literally complete power over the lives of many children. I imagine many of them will put the interests of the company over the well-being of the children, intentionally or not, but the way to fix that is to either: A. Let the government handle all adoption (almost definitely worse results) B. Let the demand for impartial agencies that don't refuse adoption based on bad criteria build so that new, impartial agencies pop up and overshadow the Christian ones -- _foolmo_ 'Illegal activities is a slight misnomer, most of it is not related to material that is actually illegal.' - nintendogrl1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/04/12 10:30:00 AM #134: |
From: foolm0ron | #129 Puppies for everybody! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 01/04/12 10:30:00 AM #135: |
From: JaKyL25 | #134 Except gays, of course -- _foolmo_ 'Oh please, if foolmo made that analogy you'd think it was picture perfect' - Biolizard28 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Highwind89 01/04/12 10:32:00 AM #136: |
From: red sox 777 | #076 Did you really just compare membership to the KKK to an adoption agency? What the hell is wrong with you? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterplum 01/04/12 10:33:00 AM #137: |
From: foolm0ron | #129 I like this post -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterplum 01/04/12 10:35:00 AM #138: |
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muddersmilk 01/04/12 10:36:00 AM #139: |
The church example doesn't apply because there are zero similarities between places of prayer and adoption agencies.
Except for the fact that there are literally Christian adoption agencies whose mission statements are to find a good Christian home for the kids there. I have friends using one of those right now and they were asked about their prayer life, how often they go to church, what denomination they were, etc. during the process. The parents who give up their children to that agency are doing so with the expectation that a certain type of family will adopt their child. -- (Maniac64 at work) Guns don't kill people, Kinder eggs do. I saw it in a post on GameFAQs. ~FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeepsPraw 01/04/12 10:39:00 AM #140: |
foolm0ron posted...
B. Let the demand for impartial agencies that don't refuse adoption based on bad criteria build so that new, impartial agencies pop up and overshadow the Christian ones Except that will never happen. The existing agencies are already firmly established, and people aren't going to stop using them based on principle. Some might, but not nearly enough to make as big a difference as you're suggesting. It's like Wal-Mart. Despite it's abysmal track record on human rights, it's still hugely popular and not slowing down. Ethics and the free market don't mix. The only things that matter are money and ease of use. -- Jerry Sandusky is a football God! Jerry Sandusky is a football LEGEND! http://youtu.be/B3fRhOfkc_w ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeepsPraw 01/04/12 10:40:00 AM #141: |
muddersmilk posted...
The church example doesn't apply because there are zero similarities between places of prayer and adoption agencies. Except for the fact that there are literally Christian adoption agencies whose mission statements are to find a good Christian home for the kids there. You're missing the point entirely. Don't take my words out of context like that. -- Jerry Sandusky is a football God! Jerry Sandusky is a football LEGEND! http://youtu.be/B3fRhOfkc_w ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 01/04/12 10:40:00 AM #142: |
Did you really just compare membership to the KKK to an adoption agency? What the hell is wrong with you?
What if the KKK wanted to facilitate adoptions between its members? Could it do so legally? That is a pretty relevant question, I think. We all agree on this board that the KKK is bigoted, but does/should that matter legally? -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 01/04/12 10:41:00 AM #143: |
From: DeepsPraw | #140 Too bad for the kids, then -- _foolmo_ 'You are obviously intelligent and insightful' - Sir Chris about me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 01/04/12 10:43:00 AM #144: |
It's like Wal-Mart. Despite it's abysmal track record on human rights, it's still hugely popular and not slowing down.
If Wal-Mart had a track record of abusing the human rights of customers, it would quickly lose its popularity among shoppers. If Wal-Mart had a track record of abusing the rights of shareholders, its stock price would drop. If WMT had a track record of abusing the rights of employees, less people would choose to work there or they would demand higher wages. The third one is probably true, WMT isn't very high on people's list of companies they want to work for. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeepsPraw 01/04/12 10:44:00 AM #145: |
foolm0ron posted...
From: DeepsPraw | #140 people aren't going to stop using them based on principle Too bad for the kids, then Actually, too bad for the gay parents, assuming that's what you meant when you said "bad criteria". -- Jerry Sandusky is a football God! Jerry Sandusky is a football LEGEND! http://youtu.be/B3fRhOfkc_w ... Copied to Clipboard!
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muddersmilk 01/04/12 10:44:00 AM #146: |
You're missing the point entirely. Don't take my words out of context like that.
The point is that a Christian organization should not be forced by the government to go against its beliefs. What I'm saying is that from the Church's standpoint it is the same, which argues against the point you were making. -- (Maniac64 at work) Guns don't kill people, Kinder eggs do. I saw it in a post on GameFAQs. ~FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterplum 01/04/12 10:45:00 AM #147: |
From: DeepsPraw | #140 As someone who took a Business Ethics course last semester, I completely disagree with this. Johnson and Johnson's Tylenol recall comes to mind -- Four Civil Union Ceremonies and a Funeral just doesn't have the same ring to it - yoshifan823 http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 01/04/12 10:45:00 AM #148: |
Wal-Mart is basically McDonalds. They will hire anyone, and once people work there, realize it sucks and leave, they don't care, because they will hire anyone
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foolm0ron 01/04/12 10:47:00 AM #149: |
From: Highwind89 | #136 See this is the problem with arguments like these You can compare A to B and it's perfectly fine, but then if you compare a different A and B it's WOAMG WTF It's like the argument is a really nice, continuous function... except there are holes here and there that make everything illogical and ruin it. -- _foolmo_ 'and out of the blue and completely unprovoked came foolmo and his insult' - Anagram ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeepsPraw 01/04/12 10:49:00 AM #150: |
red sox 777 posted...
If Wal-Mart had a track record of abusing the human rights of customers, it would quickly lose its popularity among shoppers. If Wal-Mart had a track record of abusing the rights of shareholders, its stock price would drop. If WMT had a track record of abusing the rights of employees, less people would choose to work there or they would demand higher wages. The third one is probably true, WMT isn't very high on people's list of companies they want to work for. While those things may drop, it really doesn't matter because Wal-Mart's ubiquity and low prices are such a huge counterweight. Wal-Mart is in no danger of falling due to ethical reasons, plain and simple. -- Jerry Sandusky is a football God! Jerry Sandusky is a football LEGEND! http://youtu.be/B3fRhOfkc_w ... Copied to Clipboard!
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