I don't know anything about Seal Team 6, but I do know about the TSA.
Before he died, my ninety-two year-old WWII veteran grandfather was strip searched by airport security people for a one-hour plane ride to Vegas (we're from LA) because he had a metal knee plate.
I would rate it somewhere between impossible and inconceivable to be more obviously ridiculous and power-hungry than the TSA without also being a military dictator in a third world country.
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I've gotten X-rayed a whopping 3 times or something. From Chicago and fly back and forth to school. Normally I just get the metal detector.
From: Anagram | #051 Before he died, my ninety-two year-old WWII veteran grandfather was strip searched by airport security people for a one-hour plane ride to Vegas (we're from LA) because he had a metal knee plate.
This is a bummer. But the TSA certainly isn't killing you, and it may have stopped you from being killed (it's a deterrent, mostly)
I know, I know: "Those who sacrifice a little freedom for a little security deserve neither and lose both" But honestly I don't feel that I'm sacrificing that much freedom. You don't want to get searched? don't fly
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good thing all that money is being spent on a... what is it 1 in 100 million chance of actually catching a terrorist? The base rate of any random person next to you planning to murder someone on a plane is vanishingly low.
And it's stupid too: Why can't the terrorists just blow up the security lines into the airport? What the hell are we going to do then?
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special_sauce posted... I've gotten X-rayed a whopping 3 times or something. From Chicago and fly back and forth to school. Normally I just get the metal detector.
From: Anagram | #051 Before he died, my ninety-two year-old WWII veteran grandfather was strip searched by airport security people for a one-hour plane ride to Vegas (we're from LA) because he had a metal knee plate. This is a bummer. But the TSA certainly isn't killing you, and it may have stopped you from being killed (it's a deterrent, mostly)
I know, I know: "Those who sacrifice a little freedom for a little security deserve neither and lose both" But honestly I don't feel that I'm sacrificing that much freedom. You don't want to get searched? don't fly
Please. The TSA knows there's no other option. The world has been structured in such a way that flying is the only reasonable way to get around large distances. The TSA knows you're not going to take a bus from LA to New York, the TSA knows you aren't going to take a train from Chicago to Atlanta, and the TSA knows you have no other way to visit a foreign country besides driving to border towns in Mexico. They know you have no other options and no recourse for when they act inane.
And in the case of my grandfather, he literally had no other option. He couldn't be in a car driving across the state for four hours.
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The funny part is, the airlines still pay their employees peanuts, so if a terrorist really wants to get in, all he has to do is slip the guy hauling food or luggage some cash to look the other way while they walk in the back door. I guarantee that they would take the money
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From: special_sauce | #053 I've gotten X-rayed a whopping 3 times or something. From Chicago and fly back and forth to school. Normally I just get the metal detector.
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This is a bummer. But the TSA certainly isn't killing you, and it may have stopped you from being killed (it's a deterrent, mostly)
I know, I know: "Those who sacrifice a little freedom for a little security deserve neither and lose both" But honestly I don't feel that I'm sacrificing that much freedom. You don't want to get searched? don't fly
I don't fly. But I would like to fly without being groped or subjected to radiation.
Also, I doubt it's much of a deterrent. Before the TSA we had what, five incidences of US plane hijacking in 40 years, and only 2 of those were terrorist acts.
The more that the TSA does the more that terrorists will do to get around them.
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DeathChicken posted... In fact, I think Dick Marcinko did exactly this, just to prove what a joke airport security was. Walked in, planted some fake bombs, walked out
Are you talking about when he was still active duty? Cause that was back in either the 80's or early 90's.
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I just had a flight at the end of the year. First time I've flown since those x-ray machine things.
However, I didn't go through it. There were two lines. To the left was the x-ray thing and to the right was a regular old metal detector. They didn't tell us where to go... we just chose the right line.
Hence, it's all f***ing pointless because if someone has whatever that xray machine is supposed to find, they can just go to the right!!!
Then they did a bomb search on my bag because apparently I need to take my laptop out of there and have it in a separate bin. That was annoying and pointless too.
redrocket posted... DeathChicken posted... In fact, I think Dick Marcinko did exactly this, just to prove what a joke airport security was. Walked in, planted some fake bombs, walked out
Are you talking about when he was still active duty? Cause that was back in either the 80's or early 90's.
Have there actually been any attempts to change security to patch that particular hole?
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The TSA, what fun. I get off a plane only to find an armed soldier five feet from me with an official glancing back to him every five seconds saying they need to perform a routine check. Fun times.
From: UltimaterializerX | #063 Anyone agreeing with the TSA's groping policy is a slave willingly, and I do not use that term lightly.
Also the naked body scanners have caused cancer among the TSA workers operating them to go to the moon, so yeah they aren't calibrated correctly.
So do you not fly Ulti? Also, what do you think their motive IS for having a security checkpoint if not for our safety? No other motive makes sense.
While I admit it can cause problems to some people, it causes me little to no trouble. I've left my house 2 hours before a flight since I was a kid, and that hasn't changed with the extra wait time caused by increased security. It isn't really worth fussing over.
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If you want to enslave a population, you do so in small steps. You get people accustomed to intrusive security at airports. That makes it easier for you to set up intrusive security on subways. That makes it easier for you to set up intrusive security at checkpoints on the highways. That makes it easier for you to set up intrusive security inside schools, office buildings, and in people's homes.
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Unlike Ulti I prescribe the TSA's policies to to fear rather than malice, but the fact is they cause more harm than good. The chances of a terrorist attempting to hijack a given plane are miniscule; it is not worth it to cause harm to every single person that flies to add a security measure that isn't even that effective to stop something that almost never happens.
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From: UltimaterializerX | #011 And then most of the SEALs from Team 6 were told to board a helicopter which just mysteriously blew up a few weeks later?
Is it really that mysterious that a team involved in combat operations would suffer casualties?
Doesn't sound nearly as conspiratorial here as you make it out to be. And it's not like I went searching for an article that made it sound this way, literally the first non-Fox News link for "seal team 6 helicopter".