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SovietOmega
01/13/12 9:39:00 AM
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I've never touched one of these things before >_>

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Ainoxi
01/13/12 9:40:00 AM
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Plato was a nutjob, done!

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01/13/12 9:43:00 AM
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Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

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pjbasis
01/13/12 9:45:00 AM
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It's just an analogy.

It's like saying your monitor is only translating data and is not the "true data itself", when the "true data itself" would actually be quite meaningless to your eyes.

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01/13/12 9:51:00 AM
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Just summon U-DO and Abel's Ark at the same time

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01/13/12 9:57:00 AM
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pjbasis posted...
It's just an analogy.

It's like saying your monitor is only translating data and is not the "true data itself", when the "true data itself" would actually be quite meaningless to your eyes.

Gah

I read that as "It's like saying your mother is only translating data"

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KanzarisKelshen
01/13/12 10:00:00 AM
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From: pjbasis | #004
It's just an analogy.

It's like saying your monitor is only translating data and is not the "true data itself", when the "true data itself" would actually be quite meaningless to your eyes.


That's actually pretty much true though, isn't it? Information is intangible, and IIRC not subject to entropy either.

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pjbasis
01/13/12 10:03:00 AM
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^
Well yes, but it's far less mind-boggling when presented as a natural occurrence than a visually dramatic scenario.

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DeepsPraw
01/13/12 10:11:00 AM
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pjbasis posted...
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Well yes, but it's far less mind-boggling when presented as a natural occurrence than a visually dramatic scenario.

Well Plato couldn't really have written about computer monitors now could he?

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pjbasis
01/13/12 10:13:00 AM
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The idea of translation was around back then.

But that's besides the point, I'm not blaming Plato for anything!
I just don't want people to hear it quickly and then write it off as hocus-pocus, or worse, some stunning revelation.

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BlackMageJawa
01/13/12 10:45:00 AM
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For a moment I wondered what game you were talking about.

Then I remembered Sophie's World.

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WhoopsyDaisy
01/13/12 11:00:00 AM
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: pjbasis | #004
It's just an analogy.

It's like saying your monitor is only translating data and is not the "true data itself", when the "true data itself" would actually be quite meaningless to your eyes.
That's actually pretty much true though, isn't it? Information is intangible, and IIRC not subject to entropy either.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)

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GANON1025
01/13/12 11:02:00 AM
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Yo man those cave shadows a pretty NICE who could ask for more

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azuarc
01/13/12 11:04:00 AM
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I like cave shadows. I used to think I should be trying to break free from my chains and see what lies outside, but the shadows seem to be good enough for everyone else. I just shrugged and decided to roll with it.

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KanzarisKelshen
01/13/12 11:07:00 AM
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From: WhoopsyDaisy | #012
KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: pjbasis | #004
It's just an analogy.

It's like saying your monitor is only translating data and is not the "true data itself", when the "true data itself" would actually be quite meaningless to your eyes.
That's actually pretty much true though, isn't it? Information is intangible, and IIRC not subject to entropy either.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)


Not what I'm talking about. What I'm referring to is the following scenario:

-Locked time loop. You send an object through it.
-Eventually, the object degrades.

But what if you send information through that loop? And that's where theory comes in. There's a theory that postulates that information would survive a locked loop eternally, in some situations.

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Uhh
01/14/12 8:45:00 AM
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Come to me and I will show you how to experience true objects.

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