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TheKoolAidShoto
02/07/12 8:38:00 AM
#51:


Spider-Man 3? LOL what are you guys talking about, they stopped at 2

Anyway, trailer looks damn good, hell of a cast they got here, and love the practical Spider-Man stuff. I like the tone is a bit more serious then the two Raimi films as well.

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Dauntless Hunter
02/07/12 8:40:00 AM
#52:


From: SlymDayspring | #033
No, it was not Maguire that understood spiderman. It was Raimi. His flicks are lighthearted and fun. Maguire himself has no sense of humor and is not funny enough to be peter parker. This one seems to have a much better Peter, but a much less "spiderman" tone. Kind of sad we couldn't get both right.


Agreed. It looks like a cool enough movie, but I'm not feeling it as a Spider-Man movie. The best I can say is that it feels like Spider-Man got stuck in someone else's movie.

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PrivateBiscuit1
02/07/12 8:46:00 AM
#53:


The fact that Raimi couldn't make due with the script having Venom in it is preeeetty bad.

Also, this trailer doesn't do much for me.

Ooooh and Spectacular Spider-Man is still one of the best super hero cartoons out there. I'm still so pissed they ended it. It deserved to last for another season at least.

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OctilIery
02/07/12 8:47:00 AM
#54:


From: Dauntless Hunter | #050
If he didn't insist on his stupid Sandman plot and instead just tried to make the best Venom movie he could, Spider-Man 3 would have been a hell of a lot better than it was.


He was already committed to Sandman at the time IIRC, and honestly Sandman was the best part of that movie. The fault lies in Sony barging in and forcing him to do Venom without proper time to set it up, without a script for it, and disregarding all the quality work he had done before. I mean, Doc Oc was not that great of a villain either, and Raimi worked wonders with him.

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Dauntless Hunter
02/07/12 8:49:00 AM
#55:


From: OctilIery | #054
honestly Sandman was the best part of that movie.


Yeah because it was the only part Raimi didn't intentionally **** on.

the whole "it was me who really killed uncle ben" was pretty lol though

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PrivateBiscuit1
02/07/12 8:50:00 AM
#56:


Also, how did Raimi understand Spider-Man? Spider-Man acted NOTHING like how Spider-Man should have in his films. Toby Maguire was a terrible Spidey (and terrible actor) too. Beyond that, the Spider-Man movies were utterly melodramatic and groan-worthy at times, so I don't get how you thought it was lighthearted and fun more than this proposed movie.

Also, we don't know what the entire tone of this movie will be. There were some funny scenes in that trailer that were drowned in the drama music to add to the serious tone of the trailer.

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OctilIery
02/07/12 8:51:00 AM
#57:


From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #053
The fact that Raimi couldn't make due with the script having Venom in it is preeeetty bad.


It's more along the lines of he was pushed to include Venom after the script was already completed and casting in the works.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/07/12 8:53:00 AM
#58:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Beyond that, the Spider-Man movies were utterly melodramatic and groan-worthy at times, so I don't get how you thought it was lighthearted and fun more than this proposed movie.

Well, watching Spider-Man 2 for example at least, it's really clear that film has a very fun and comedic tone. Agreed the first one had melodrama, but Raimi really Raimi-d it up in the other two, and it was quite over-the-top and funny. In a good way, though of course 3 had problems.

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junk_funk
02/07/12 9:07:00 AM
#59:


This movie is going to flop. But it'll probably be better than Toby's and won't get the due credit. At least it looks more serious and less gimmicky.

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OctilIery
02/07/12 9:09:00 AM
#60:


From: junk_funk | #059
This movie is going to flop. But it'll probably be better than Toby's and won't get the due credit. At least it looks more serious and less gimmicky.


Except Spiderman is supposed to be less serious and more gimmicky, so you're saying it's going to be worse than the originals.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/07/12 9:09:00 AM
#61:


junk_funk posted...
This movie is going to flop. But it'll probably be better than Toby's and won't get the due credit. At least it looks more serious and less gimmicky.

Now, call me Doc Brown, but I've been to the future and this movie makes over 500 million easy. It's Spider-Man, everybody is taking every kid to see it, every teen is seeing it, every adult who likes superheroes will see it, and it's gonna have marketing up the wazzoo.

It does look more serious, for me that's not a good or bad thing, not sure how the other movies would be considered gimmicky, or what that'd even mean in the context of a straightforward movie plot.

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SlymDayspring
02/07/12 9:23:00 AM
#62:


Also, how did Raimi understand Spider-Man? Spider-Man acted NOTHING like how Spider-Man should have in his films

Raimi did not write the script. He cannot fix that spiderman wasnt making quips or anything, but his films had a look and tone that made them feel pretty lighthearted and funny. I could see the argument that maybe he didn't "get" spiderman but his filmmaking style just naturally kind of fits it, though.

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Snake5555555555
02/07/12 9:37:00 AM
#63:


Surprised to say this looks more interesting than Avengers.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/07/12 9:38:00 AM
#64:


Loki is a pretty interesting villain if you ask me, though Lizard should be interesting.

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OctilIery
02/07/12 9:39:00 AM
#65:


From: Snake5555555555 | #063
Surprised to say this looks more interesting than Avengers.


Nope.

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LeonhartFour
02/07/12 9:44:00 AM
#66:


I liked all three Spider-Man movies...

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MarvelousGerbil
02/07/12 9:46:00 AM
#67:


It's pretty bad that the Bonesaw fight was the most Spider-many McGuire was...

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LeonhartFour
02/07/12 9:48:00 AM
#68:


Also, I really liked the trailer. I don't necessarily mind the dark tone of the trailer. That doesn't mean there won't be any lighthearted quips and stuff during the movie or whatever. It's just not exactly something you put in a theatrical trailer. Plus, it's not like Spidey stuff doesn't have a darker tone at times anyway.

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Sakurafanboy
02/07/12 9:56:00 AM
#69:


I'm hoping we see a better Venom this time around. "herpderp he dies to sound herpderp" way to ruin an icon.

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LeonhartFour
02/07/12 9:56:00 AM
#70:


From: Sakurafanboy | #069
"herpderp he dies to sound herpderp" way to ruin an icon.


...I'm not sure what to do with this.

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SupremeZero
02/07/12 9:56:00 AM
#71:


From: Sakurafanboy | #069
I'm hoping we see a better Venom this time around. "herpderp he dies to sound herpderp" way to ruin an icon.


>.> He always did that.

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the icon ownz all
02/07/12 9:59:00 AM
#72:


From: LeonhartFour | #070
...I'm not sure what to do with this.


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ShadowHalo17
02/07/12 10:01:00 AM
#73:


Symbiotes have always been weak to fire and sound.

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OctilIery
02/07/12 10:03:00 AM
#74:


From: Sakurafanboy | #069
I'm hoping we see a better Venom this time around. "herpderp he dies to sound herpderp" way to ruin an icon.


Venom was always a bad character and Raimi was right to want to avoid him.

And yeah, was always weak to sound.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/07/12 10:03:00 AM
#75:


SupremeZero posted...
From: Sakurafanboy | #069
I'm hoping we see a better Venom this time around. "herpderp he dies to sound herpderp" way to ruin an icon.
>.> He always did that.


Now, I'm trying to understand this, I can agree that Venom was the worst part of Spidey 3, and Topher's casting was bad, and the character was done really poorly. The character, as introduced in the comics, was originally one of the more menacing, effective villains ever.

Not sure if what I'm saying has anything to do with what was said there, but just sayin', Venom was indeed an icon.

Ha oh yeah, sound, yes that's always been his weakness. Took me a minute to get that sentence, I thought he was saying he "sounds herpderp", which to be fair could be said of Topher.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/07/12 10:04:00 AM
#76:


Now, for comic villains such as Spidey's rogues gallery we're often talking archtypes, and Venom is easily much much better than say 70% of them. What makes him one of the worse villains? How is he worse than, say, The Shocker, Rhino, Vulture, Sandman, etc?

Very well done stuff with McFarlane back in the early 90s.

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ShadowHalo17
02/07/12 10:18:00 AM
#77:


Venom is Spidey's best villain. I'm also a fan of Carnage even though most people hate him.

The rest of Spider-Man's rogue gallery really isn't that special.

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OctilIery
02/07/12 10:23:00 AM
#78:


From: ShadowHalo17 | #077
Venom is Spidey's best villain.


Hahahahahahahahahaha

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ShadowHalo17
02/07/12 10:25:00 AM
#79:


Yeah I wasn't joking. The only other villain that comes close is Green Goblin, but he hasn't even technically existed for over 30 years now. I think.

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OctilIery
02/07/12 10:25:00 AM
#80:


From: ShadowHalo17 | #079
Yeah I wasn't joking. The only other villain that comes close is Green Goblin, but he hasn't even technically existed for over 30 years now. I think.


I know you weren't joking. That's half of what made it so funny!

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ShadowHalo17
02/07/12 10:32:00 AM
#81:


Okay, so who do you think is the best Spidey villain? There's not much quality in that group.

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OctilIery
02/07/12 10:34:00 AM
#82:


From: ShadowHalo17 | #081
Okay, so who do you think is the best Spidey villain? There's not much quality in that group.


There aren't a lot of greats. Venom doesn't change that. He's about as bland as the rest of Spidey's villains.

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Psycho_Kenshin
02/07/12 10:44:00 AM
#83:


OctilIery, just curious, for example have you read the comics where Eddie Brock as Venom was first introduced? The MacFarlane stuff? If not, what are you basing your opinion on?

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LeonhartFour
02/07/12 10:45:00 AM
#84:


I think Spidey's got a pretty great set of villains...

But then again, I'm a huge Spidey fanboy in general.

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TheKoolAidShoto
02/07/12 10:46:00 AM
#85:


Spidey's rogue gallery

"not quality"

Venom

"the best Spidey villain"

This is gold, comedy gold

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OctilIery
02/07/12 11:31:00 AM
#86:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #083
OctilIery, just curious, for example have you read the comics where Eddie Brock as Venom was first introduced? The MacFarlane stuff? If not, what are you basing your opinion on?


I believe I have, but I couldn't say for sure. Most of my Spidey readings have been scattered, so I've read a lot but couldn't tell you specific ones.

From: LeonhartFour | #084
I think Spidey's got a pretty great set of villains...

But then again, I'm a huge Spidey fanboy in general.


He has some quality ones, but most of them come down to either generic evil or mindless thugs.

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SlymDayspring
02/07/12 11:38:00 AM
#87:


most of spidermans stories are about personal crises that are reflected in his villains, so the villain themselves is less important than in, say, batman comics.

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SupremeZero
02/07/12 12:50:00 PM
#88:


From: IcEpIcKRSF | #088
OctilIery posted...
I honestly like Maguire more as Spiderman, because at least Maguire understood that Spiderman isn't supposed to be a long, dark tale - it's lighthearted, and this whole "gritty" feel doesn't work.

Spider-Man has always been a dark tale. This comment is hilarious. I dunno if you're that in love with Raimi's movies or trying too hard to dislike the reboot and coming right in hating it.

Parents died in horrible accident.
Bullied repeatedly in school. Social outcast.
Uncle dies because he failed to stop crook.
Girlfriend and first true love dies because villain found out his secret identity.
City hates him at first.

Raimi's Spider-Man movies were about just that, Spider-Man. The Parker scenes were just there to keep the CGI budget from getting TOO outrageous. They sped through everything Parker related unless it directly interfered with him being Spdier-Man.

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/169497-the-amazing-spider-man-untold-story-begins-event

According to people who attended the event in New York and LA and the footage show, Andrew throws out quips left and right on thugs he fights. Yes, yes, yes. Must see this footage.


... have you... never read the comics?

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IcEpIcKRSF
02/07/12 12:50:00 PM
#89:


OctilIery posted...
I honestly like Maguire more as Spiderman, because at least Maguire understood that Spiderman isn't supposed to be a long, dark tale - it's lighthearted, and this whole "gritty" feel doesn't work.

Spider-Man has always been a dark tale. This comment is hilarious. I dunno if you're that in love with Raimi's movies or trying too hard to dislike the reboot and coming right in hating it.

Parents died in horrible accident.
Bullied repeatedly in school. Social outcast.
Uncle dies because he failed to stop crook.
Girlfriend and first true love dies because villain found out his secret identity.
City hates him at first.

Raimi's Spider-Man movies were about just that, Spider-Man. The Parker scenes were just there to keep the CGI budget from getting TOO outrageous. They sped through everything Parker related unless it directly interfered with him being Spider-Man.

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/169497-the-amazing-spider-man-untold-story-begins-event

According to people who attended the event in New York and LA and the footage shown, Andrew throws out quips left and right on thugs he fights. Yes, yes, yes. Must see this footage.

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IcEpIcKRSF
02/07/12 12:57:00 PM
#90:


Yeah, I have.

Think of the major storylines in the old run and even the current one. The humor is there but it's because things are pretty screwed up. Also given that nearly everyone has said that the early footage keeps the story more serious but at the same time has the humor and other aspects from the comics and Raimi's movies, don't get the gripe here.

Not to mention Raimi killed off every villain in his movies except one. I can already guess how Spider-Man 4 would have ended.

Vulture dies. Horribly.

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CherryCokes
02/07/12 1:06:00 PM
#91:


Trailer was very good; movie stands to be better than the first three by leagues.

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CherryCokes
02/07/12 1:07:00 PM
#92:


From: CoolCly | #027
Also lol @ casting a blonde to play Mary Jane in the other movies and casting a red head to play Gwen Stacy in this.


They cast a redhead as Gwen Stacy before, too, you know

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LeonhartFour
02/07/12 1:07:00 PM
#93:


From: IcEpIcKRSF | #090
Not to mention Raimi killed off every villain in his movies except one. I can already guess how Spider-Man 4 would have ended.

Vulture dies. Horribly.


Well, to be fair, most superhero movies do this and the difference in the nature of a movie and a comic book almost compels them to do it.

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OctilIery
02/07/12 1:12:00 PM
#94:


From: IcEpIcKRSF | #088
OctilIery posted...
I honestly like Maguire more as Spiderman, because at least Maguire understood that Spiderman isn't supposed to be a long, dark tale - it's lighthearted, and this whole "gritty" feel doesn't work.

Spider-Man has always been a dark tale. This comment is hilarious. I dunno if you're that in love with Raimi's movies or trying too hard to dislike the reboot and coming right in hating it.

Parents died in horrible accident.
Bullied repeatedly in school. Social outcast.
Uncle dies because he failed to stop crook.
Girlfriend and first true love dies because villain found out his secret identity.
City hates him at first.

Raimi's Spider-Man movies were about just that, Spider-Man. The Parker scenes were just there to keep the CGI budget from getting TOO outrageous. They sped through everything Parker related unless it directly interfered with him being Spider-Man.

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/169497-the-amazing-spider-man-untold-story-begins-event

According to people who attended the event in New York and LA and the footage shown, Andrew throws out quips left and right on thugs he fights. Yes, yes, yes. Must see this footage.


Yes, there was darkness to Spiderman. Yes, he led a hard life.

But the thing is, that was not the overall theme of it. I always viewed Spiderman as less a source of revenge or power and more a way for him to escape that darkness or even fight against it - note how he's always so much more comical as Spiderman. The general feel of the comics was more light and humorous despite the dark circumstances, because otherwise it becomes just another forgettable superhero tale.

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Dauntless Hunter
02/07/12 1:36:00 PM
#95:


Yes, bad things happen to Spider-Man all the time, but the point is never that it's dark or gritty or brooding or any of that bull****. The point is that despite being given every reason to just give up, he never does. He always does what's right in the end.

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