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kevwaffles
02/29/12 5:41:00 AM
#101:


From: Takfloyd_mkII__ | #099
Either she's trying to knock her out


"COUNT SOM-E WOOLB-EASTS B****" would seem to imply that.

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Some_Character
02/29/12 7:03:00 AM
#102:


You know, wouldn't a highblood call it a sheep?

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kevwaffles
02/29/12 7:26:00 AM
#103:


From: Some_Character | #102
You know, wouldn't a highblood call it a sheep?


That always seemed like a pretty loosely applied rule. I guess it depends on if they have the particular word for it or not.

Also I just realized, if these are indeed the A1 scratched trolls, how hilariously fitting it is to have punk royalty as the precursor to hipster royalty.

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sephsblade
02/29/12 7:43:00 AM
#104:


Semi, you'd say Kid!Condesce was a better character than Feferi if a half obscured picture of her left foot was all that was revealed of her.


(and you'd be RIGHT)

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HanOfTheNekos
02/29/12 8:56:00 AM
#105:


Does this mean we'll get to see young Mindfang/Dolorosa action?

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muddersmilk
02/29/12 9:28:00 AM
#106:


SemiFinal vs Belarus posted...
Realtalk: Kid!Condesce is already better than Feferi.

That's hardly surprising.

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Paratroopa1
02/29/12 10:09:00 AM
#107:


kevwaffles posted...
Also I just realized, if these are indeed the A1 scratched trolls, how hilariously fitting it is to have punk royalty as the precursor to hipster royalty.

It's really the other way around, though! A1 is ruled by adult Feferi and the Condesce is presumably the heir (or maybe not - really don't know how it works in the pre-scratch trollverse).
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muddersmilk
02/29/12 10:15:00 AM
#108:


We know literally nothing of young Mindfangs personality other than she likes to wave.

Well we know about older Mindfangs personality from the diary.

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Takfloyd_mkII__
02/29/12 3:54:00 PM
#109:


^You guys are missing the point that in the pre-scratch troll universe, Alternia is a peaceful planet full of nice, weak people.

These are not the same characters as the "ancestors" we know. This Mindfang is obviously a nice girl, just look at her clothes.

The reason the Condesce is still a b**** is to contrast against Feferi, who is a wise and benevolent empress in this universe.
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Paratroopa1
02/29/12 3:59:00 PM
#110:


Takfloyd_mkII__ posted...
^You guys are missing the point that in the pre-scratch troll universe, Alternia is a peaceful planet full of nice, weak people.

These are not the same characters as the "ancestors" we know. This Mindfang is obviously a nice girl, just look at her clothes.

The reason the Condesce is still a b**** is to contrast against Feferi, who is a wise and benevolent empress in this universe.


Am I a "you guy?" This is exactly what I think is true, and moreover it's why Feferi's character exists in the first place, to show us what she'd be like if she were a ruler - say, of pre-scratch trollverse.
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kevwaffles
02/29/12 7:01:00 PM
#111:


I don't think anyone has been missing that point. It in fact has been discussed in these threads before Act 6 even began.

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tereziWright
02/29/12 8:18:00 PM
#112:


http://fwugradiation.tumblr.com/post/18531350938/glub-glub-wub-wub-based-off-of-the-old-condesce

lol dubstep

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tereziWright
02/29/12 10:39:00 PM
#113:


Aw jegus ****ing christ

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tcaz2
02/29/12 10:39:00 PM
#114:


Update!








Also oh man what, another new troll?

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/29/12 10:40:00 PM
#115:


um

UM


.............wat.

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LordoftheMorons
02/29/12 10:42:00 PM
#116:


Is that symbol a thing like UU's was?

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tereziWright
02/29/12 10:42:00 PM
#117:


So is tumut some new troll emoticon?

Is he flicking Dirk off?

Maybe make the U's capital?

tUmUt

Not really seeing it.

EDIT: Oh, wait, I guess the u's could be eyes and the t's horns.

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Nogoodnamesnow
02/29/12 10:42:00 PM
#118:


It's probably UU's bro that she was talking about a while back.

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LordoftheMorons
02/29/12 10:43:00 PM
#119:


flicking him off with u eyes and a tongue sticking up maybe?

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/29/12 10:44:00 PM
#120:


Wait, guys.

Jeering. This is another chat client. That seems like it could be important.

Maybe it's UU's brother she mentioned?

edit: ninja'd on that last part

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tereziWright
02/29/12 10:45:00 PM
#121:


external image

maybe

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tereziWright
02/29/12 10:51:00 PM
#122:


UU: i see yoU're aboUt ready to begin. how splendid for yoU. ^u^
UU: i'm at dangeroUs risk of jealoUsy.
TT: Why?
UU: oh, it's jUst i'm rUnning a bit behind schedUle. i wanted to coordinate with yoUr groUp in something approximating real time, and that is starting to look less likely.
UU: my client player continUes to be a soUrce of frUstration. u_u
UU: i'd thoUght we had everything settled, bUt it's always something with him.
UU: i even told him in my last message it woUld sUit me fine if he wanted to be the server player instead. i jUst want to begin!
UU: bUt i have not heard back from him... >:u
TT: That's probably the way it always is. I've run into plenty of problems here already, and I've had to improvise heavily.
TT: Ain't nothing about our situation to envy yet.
UU: bUt at least i know how certain things go when it comes to yoUr story.
UU: i don't qUite have that lUxUry with mine! it is nerve wracking sometimes, especially when i mUst coUnt on him to be responsible.
TT: Well, your bro definitely has got some problems. Not gonna lie.
UU: this is trUe.
UU: thoUgh i'm sUre i've said, he isn't qUite my brother. we are related, yes, bUt not in the way hUman brothers and sisters are.
UU: we are genetically similar, bUt in many ways qUite different. in fact, oUr blood coloUr is not even the same!
UU: bUt i have referred to him as a brother at times becaUse it is close enoUgh to being trUe, mUch as yoU refer to the one yoU regard as yoUr ancestor in the same way.


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tereziWright
02/29/12 10:57:00 PM
#123:


ALSO ALSO

I'm not sure if this means anything, but,

external image

uu is #323232
Karkat is #626262
UU is #929292

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/29/12 11:05:00 PM
#124:


At any rate, I think if UU and uu are really brother and sister, it's unlikely that they'd be a part of the pre-Scratched troll group.

Although I never really thought UU was anyways.

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Paratroopa1
02/29/12 11:08:00 PM
#125:


Yeah, I think that UU and uu are... probably not pre-scratch trolls - or at least, they're not part of the group of 12 that we're familiar with. Although this had already been foreshadowed, really - I think the usage of the Ophiuchus symbol was probably intended to tell us just that.

But who f***ing knows. We don't know anything about uu yet, so speculation is pretty difficult. I am eager to see where this goes.

The timing of uu's message after the Condesce is like trying to kill Roxy just gives me a bad feeling though.
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tcaz2
02/29/12 11:12:00 PM
#126:


From: Paratroopa1 | #125
The timing of uu's message after the Condesce is like trying to kill Roxy just gives me a bad feeling though.


Honestly, I was kind of thinking this seems like one of the patented 'troll contacts human in a brash manner, then proceeds to have a pesterlog with someone and we get a major flash during it to punctuate the conversation' situations.

Because this seems like a prime cliffhangery place to end 6-2.

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Some_Character
02/29/12 11:18:00 PM
#127:


That red part in the Ophiuchus symbol would mean that this troll's blood is mutant red, wouldn't it?

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/29/12 11:19:00 PM
#128:


I kind of hoped that the stuff in the EoA6-I1 flash would all show up in 6-2, though.

At this rate, no one's going to enter the Medium until End of 6-3!

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Takfloyd_mkII__
02/29/12 11:26:00 PM
#129:


UU and uu are from the universe the kids will create, obviously. How else would they know the kids as legendary heroes? That much is a given.

The question is of course whether their universe is also the pre-scratch troll universe.

If it is... then UU and uu are probably both Karkat's descendants in that universe, and when their session was scratched they were reset as one person for some reason(The Sufferer), and this would tie into why he remembered stuff. Just a theory though.
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SSBM_Guy
02/29/12 11:32:00 PM
#130:


Dante Basco already finished Act 2?

Man, he is hooked.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/29/12 11:32:00 PM
#131:


I don't think that works, seeing as how we know that only 24 trolls, two sets of 12, were created when Karkat did the ectobiology for the trolls. Unless UU and uu are Karkat and Sufferer analogues, and one is genderswapped for some reason.

man, what are the odds that the scratched trolls showing up now are a huge mislead and not actually that relevant? probabl.y slim to none, but it would be funny if Hussie just wanted to draw some more trolls.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/29/12 11:33:00 PM
#132:


In his own words, he is Homestuck.

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tereziWright
02/29/12 11:34:00 PM
#133:


It's weird to me when people say stuff like "EoA2 in 3 days, must be hooked", when I read the entire thing in 4 <_<.

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SSBM_Guy
02/29/12 11:39:00 PM
#134:


you have a different spectrum

I think I read Homestuck during Winter Break and it took me about two days to get to EoA2!

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tereziWright
02/29/12 11:41:00 PM
#135:


For me it was more "I can work on 4 hours of sleep...right?"

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Takfloyd_mkII__
02/29/12 11:42:00 PM
#136:


I don't think that works, seeing as how we know that only 24 trolls, two sets of 12, were created when Karkat did the ectobiology for the trolls. Unless UU and uu are Karkat and Sufferer analogues, and one is genderswapped for some reason.

That wasn't the same session. That's like saying "Dirk's horse can't be Maplehoof, it's small!"

Anything can be different in a scratched universe. Like, for instance, two persons being replaced by one. UU + uu = Sufferer. Or rather, UU - uu = Sufferer, going by colour maths. #929292 - #323232 = #626262
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LordoftheMorons
02/29/12 11:43:00 PM
#137:


YOU ARE MAKING THIS HAPPEN

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LordoftheMorons
02/29/12 11:44:00 PM
#138:


Also it took me almost a month to catch up on Homestuck, most of that time over winter break.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/29/12 11:46:00 PM
#139:


Uh....no. Scratch made it clear that when a session is scratched, the "ancestor" and "player" groups switch places.

I'm also pretty sure that it was explicitly mentioned that the pre-Scratch troll session wasn't where the trolls were spawned. The problem was that they weren't originally spawned in that session at all, and so had to create the alpha timeline where Karkat created them. When a session is scratched, the meteors must travel between sessions somehow.

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Takfloyd_mkII__
02/29/12 11:57:00 PM
#140:


^Pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about there. You aren't addressing my theory at all, you're just stating an unrelated fact and then going on about something that doesn't make sense at all.

In the pre-scratch session, someone else created the trolls, most likely pre-scratch Sufferer who may or may not be uu and UU. It's completely irrelevant anyway.
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tcaz2
03/01/12 12:01:00 AM
#141:


From: HeroDelTiempo17 | #128
At this rate, no one's going to enter the Medium until End of 6-3!


Depends.

This could easily segue into an [S] Jane: Enter, and then cover multiple events inside the flash.

It's just speculation based on a vibe I'm getting from these updates on my part, anyway. Though, the EoA probably IS soon regardless.

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HeroDelTiempo17
03/01/12 12:07:00 AM
#142:


From: Takfloyd_mkII__ | #140
^Pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about there. You aren't addressing my theory at all, you're just stating an unrelated fact and then going on about something that doesn't make sense at all.

In the pre-scratch session, someone else created the trolls, most likely pre-scratch Sufferer who may or may not be uu and UU. It's completely irrelevant anyway.


Maybe I'm misinterpreting your theory then, because I'm not sure how else to interpret it! Karkat going to A1, having two children, who are then scratched to make the Sufferer just doesn't work with how the rules of scratching a universe was explained to us.

Karkat created the pre-scratch trolls with ectobiology. They weren't made in A1, they were made in A2 and then sent to both A1 and A2. We know this for a fact because Doc Scratch explained it to us. Just like how we know John created the Scratched kids we're seeing now.

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Altimadark
03/01/12 12:07:00 AM
#143:


Hey, I just thought of something...

Keep in mind, I highly doubt it will happen. At all. There's no proof of it from what I can tell; I'm just sharing it for the sake of speculation.

The Alpha!Kids and Alternate!Trolls can communicate with each other via chat clients, right?

Doesn't that mean they could also play in the same session?

While it looks like they won't do this, there's nothing as of yet to say they can't, at least not as far as I can recall.

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HeroDelTiempo17
03/01/12 12:21:00 AM
#144:


In other news....

uu seems to literally be a jigsaw troll

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LordoftheMorons
03/01/12 12:23:00 AM
#145:


jigsaw angry homestuck, using the new terminology!

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mnkboy907
03/01/12 12:24:00 AM
#146:


I'm not very fond of Vriska's ancestor's journalogs. I get that it's paralleling the current situation with Terezi (and the trolls' lives in general), but it's still really wordy and not as funny/entertaining as regular pesterlogs.

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tcaz2
03/01/12 12:24:00 AM
#147:


From: HeroDelTiempo17 | #144
In other news....

uu seems to literally be a jigsaw troll


Definitely.

Also, though, he seems to be the 'other half' of the reader base. You know, the actual Homestuck trolls, that only read the series to tell you how terrible it is and how terrible you are for reading it.

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HeroDelTiempo17
03/01/12 12:26:00 AM
#148:


I do appreciate the irony of him complaining about wordy chatlogs inside of a chatlog.

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HeroDelTiempo17
03/01/12 12:32:00 AM
#149:


I also feel like this is relevant for those who haven't seen it yet:

http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?24118-Cheerfulbear-PLAY-ME

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Takfloyd_mkII__
03/01/12 12:34:00 AM
#150:


Maybe I'm misinterpreting your theory then, because I'm not sure how else to interpret it! Karkat going to A1, having two children, who are then scratched to make the Sufferer just doesn't work with how the rules of scratching a universe was explained to us.

What the heck? I haven't been saying anything remotely like this! Better work on that reading comprehension dude!

Anyway this new log is full of win and totally supports my theory. This guy is clearly Karkat's bad side, with UU being his "good" side, the hopeless romantic who draws shipping charts.
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