Board 8 > Board 8 Votes: Mitt Romney vs. Barack Obama

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Obama - 24
Romney - 9
Che Guevara - 3

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They have basically identical political stances.

So...I'd vote for the one with experience who can only last four more years, not eight.

Obama

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Obama

which is actually just not Romney.

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And I know they're basically the same person. Romney just seems worse somehow.

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...Obama

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Ron Paul

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Obama

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Obama

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So it seems like B8 has gone all-in on the "Republicans and Democrats are the exact same" conspiracy theory. Oh well.

And my vote is for Romney.

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Obama

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obama

ron paul's failure illustrates that americans don't care about freedom so **** it, lets go balls deep into police state territory. the sooner we get this and WWIII out of the way the sooner we can get to rebuilding.

So it seems like B8 has gone all-in on the "Republicans and Democrats are the exact same" conspiracy theory. Oh well.

That's not a conspiracy theory. That's the last 20 years of policy decisions!

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Obama - 31
Romney - 10
Friedrich Engels - 4

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That's not a conspiracy theory. That's the last 20 years of policy decisions!

Well, there are some concrete differences. Like tax policy!

Vanilla =/= vanilla with sprinkles.

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From: metroid composite | #052
They have basically identical political stances.

From: The Real Truth | #054
And I know they're basically the same person. Romney just seems worse somehow.

Would a President Romney really have pushed for something similar to Obamacare (on a national level), fought to repeal DADT, and fought to raise income tax rates on high earners given the current philosophies of the Republican party? I don't think Obama and Romney would be that similar as presidents.

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obama.

better than romney. and yeah they aren't the same guy, there's a lot of similarities and a lot of selling out, but romney's a whole other story in those fields.

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Romney.

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,Would a President Romney really have pushed for something similar to Obamacare (on a national level), fought to repeal DADT, and fought to raise income tax rates on high earners given the current philosophies of the Republican party? I don't think Obama and Romney would be that similar as presidents.

He pushed for Romneycare in Massachusetts, so probably on the healthcare. DADT- maybe, once he doesn't have to pander to the right anymore. Raise income taxes? Sure, Romney might do it in exchange for another pound of flesh- say, another couple trillion dollars injected into the economy that first goes through the banks. It's not like Obama has made a serious attempt to raise taxes either- it's mostly just a talking point to appear like he supports the 99%.

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He pushed for Romneycare in Massachusetts, so probably on the healthcare.

Different constituencies means different political pressures. There's no way Romney would push for anything remotely resembling Romneycare.

Raise income taxes? Sure, Romney might do it in exchange for another pound of flesh- say, another couple trillion dollars injected into the economy that first goes through the banks.

His official tax plan says otherwise. You can accuse him of lying, but then that falls squarely into the "conspiracy theory" category.

It's not like Obama has made a serious attempt to raise taxes either- it's mostly just a talking point to appear like he supports the 99%.

Again, look at the tax policy for his potential second term. Big hikes in a lot of places, high-income earners and businesses especially.

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Obama.

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Obama. You have to be a warmongering, bible-thumping, uneducated, homophobic, racist, poor-hating hillbilly to vote Republican

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romney lying isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a period of time for what he said to become unpopular. >_>;

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romney lying isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a period of time for what he said to become unpopular. >_>;

By "lying," there's a difference between a) what Romney actually believes is best for the country, and b) what Romney believes will get him votes. Once you get elected, you're still obligated to follow through on campaign promises (unless you want to shut down Washington and guarantee a one-term presidency), so I see no reason to believe that the official tax plans aren't good starting points here.

And yeah, Romney's flip-flopped a lot. Such is the life of a shameless pragmatist.

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Romney lying or dissimulating is reality. Clearly Romney must say that he will be different from Obama. We think in reality he will be quite similar. Obviously not identical, but substantively similar on the important issues. Obama ended up being quite similar to bush's second term too.

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And on healthcare I think if a Republican president had brought it up it probably would have passed much more easily and have much more support. Obamacare was popular until it got filibustered for a few months.

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Now, if you put a gun to my head and made me vote for one of the two it'd be Obama because 4 more years of him would be better than 8 with Mitt Romney. Possibly better than 4 with Mitt, but I don't see a dem strong enough to take him out after one term anyway, so it'd be 8 anyway.

No gun to my head: Ron Paul

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From: Westbrick | #069
His official tax plan says otherwise. You can accuse him of lying, but then that falls squarely into the "conspiracy theory" category.

Are you really saying that it's a conspiracy theory to suspect that a politician might not actually do something he claims he will do?

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"Once you get elected, you're still obligated to follow through on campaign promises (unless you want to shut down Washington and guarantee a one-term presidency"

The list of campaign promises Obama made and did not keep is longer than the ones he followed through on. Some because he tried and failed, others because he didn't try at all. Occasionally he's gotten some compromises along the way, but that doesn't make up for the number of promises where he has done the exact opposite of what he said.

Often times these are things that could be handled by executive order, meaning he as POTAS doesn't need anyone's permission to do it. Like, say, closing Guantanamo Bay. As POTAS he needed to have someone draft an executive order and sign it and it'd be done. He promised he'd do it on the campaign trail. It hasn't happened, and it won't. And Washington didn't get shut down. Also, if he is somehow a one-term President (very unlikely at this point), it won't be because of that broken promise or really any others in specific. It'll be because he got shot or the election was rigged or something, because even the republicans don't like the guy they are going to eventually put up let alone independents.

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From: Westbrick | #073
Once you get elected, you're still obligated to follow through on campaign promises

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I consider myself a liberal but if I was forced to vote for someone it'd be Paul.


Romney vs Obama though I'm definately voting Obama.

This is exactly me

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PartOfYourWorld posted...
From: metroid composite | #052
They have basically identical political stances.
From: The Real Truth | #054
And I know they're basically the same person. Romney just seems worse somehow.
Would a President Romney really have pushed for something similar to Obamacare (on a national level), fought to repeal DADT, and fought to raise income tax rates on high earners given the current philosophies of the Republican party? I don't think Obama and Romney would be that similar as presidents.

My friend, I think a hypothetical President Romney would have surprised you quite a bit if he were in office today. He pushed something similar to Obama care during his time as Governor of Massachusetts because that's what the public wanted. And, go figure, when Obama did the same as President it was because, you guessed it, that's what the public wanted. And if anyone said anything about it he could just say "I was carrying on the agenda spearheaded by Richard Nixon, one that the American people want and deserve" and his party would shut the f up because Nixon totally wanted an even more "socialist" health care reform and just couldn't get it done in his day. Well, that and the fact that the Republican party doesn't criticize a sitting republican President ever.

He probably wouldn't have fought for the repeal of DADT, but since the military commanders were the ones who had the most sway in that argument I'm sure he'd back them up and say they knew what was best for the military and it would have happened anyway.

And increasing taxes? No problem, Reagan did that like 11 times in 8 years or something. What he'd really be arguing is that he wasn't renewing a tax cut, which again no one in the party with a real voice would criticize him for, and that in these harsh economic times we can't expect the poor and middle class to give up what they don't even have to begin with. And he would say this because he'd be introducing annual increases to the budget, just like Obama has. And there wouldn't be a Tea Party movement, not like we've seen, because a rich, white republican that cannot be questioned would be in office rather than a slightly less rich, half black democrat who is clearly lying to us about everything.

And even if they weren't exact carbon copies on the domestic front, they absolutely would have been on foreign policy. That's essentially guaranteed. Obama's unwillingness to broker a deal with Iran is the same pig-headed stupidity the Bush administration showed and would have been Romney's reaction too. By the way, Iran has come out and said "we'll agree to essentially everything you want from us" and gotten turned down by both the current and last President, and a similar offer was sent to Clinton and ignored as well. You can blame this unwillingness to negotiate for our current gas prices and lack of awesome Iranian pistachios (god, will I ever stop missing those?).

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@ChichiriMuyo: You seem like a pretty intelligent fellow. Wouldn't you agree that while the president, regardless of political party, has to cater in part to "the public," his interests also lie significantly in catering to his base?

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Wouldn't you agree that while the president, regardless of political party, has to cater in part to "the public," his interests also lie significantly in catering to his base?

Usually, it appears more that they cater to the "public" and pander to the base. What I mean by that is they talk a big game to the base, but never really push that hard on doing the things they say. This is part of the reason the far left seems to be as vitriolic towards Obama as the far right; they seem to feel in part betrayed that he hasn't closed Gitmo, didn't fight hard on a variety of healthcare provisions, etc. I don't think Romney and Obama would have had identical presidencies, but based solely on Romney's political past, it is hard to believe that they would have been radically different.

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Obama - 35
Romney - 11

Wow, this has really turned into a landslide.

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Obama. Romney's a slimeball

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Romney

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Though if I were unaware of other parties like 99% of Americans, I guess... I'd stay home.

Though if voting were mandatory, I guess Obama. >_>

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Obama

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