Board 8 > So how is Mass Effect 3?

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Worst ending ever. Ruined the whole series

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Excellent game, not as good as ME2.

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Endings are disappointing, definitely not the worst I've seen, though.

The rest of the game is awesome and it's my favorite in the series.

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The first 99% of the game makes you think this is why I play video games.

The last 10 minutes make you think this is why I read books.

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I am, somehow, both more and less excited to play the game after these responses.

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From: baron von toast | Posted: 3/13/2012 12:57:16 AM | #005
The last 10 minutes make you think this is why I read books.

what if you don't read books

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Best game in the series. The ending is not nearly as bad as the entire internet is making it out to be. In fact, it's not bad at all.

and i don't know why this is important but i read a lot of books


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the icon ownz all posted...
Best game in the series. The ending is not nearly as bad as the entire internet is making it out to be.


While I don't really think the ending is good by any means, I definitely agree with this.

The way people are reacting you'd thinking Bioware murdered their families or something.

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Yeah, the ending isn't as awful as most people claim, but it is...unsatisfying.

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From: the icon ownz all | #008
Best game in the series. The ending is not nearly as bad as the entire internet is making it out to be. In fact, it's not bad at all.

and i don't know why this is important but i read a lot of books

While I think people are exaggerating immensely, you are the very first person who I've seen so far say something better than "pretty bad".

It being SOME KIND of bad is a near unanimous consent.

I personally think it was rather awful.People spend 100 hours playing a series that's main focus is building up the character you want, and the ending doesn't reflect any of it whatsoever. You aren't even limited by your decisions up to that point. Anyone can choose anything no matter their build. Kinda gross.

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I'm satisfied by an internally consistent narrative. Mass Effect 3 is an internally consistent narrative.


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Awful game, though won't go into spoilers for obvious reasons.

I haven't seen the ending yet, but if the main complaint about the ending is that "nothing you did mattered in the end" isn't that true of... well, the entire series?

No matter what you do, you still stop Sovereign from destroying the Citadel.

No matter what you do, you still destroy the Collectors.

Heck, look at Dragon Age. No matter what you do, you still stop the Archdemon.

You can change DETAILS of that, I guess, but at the end of the day you're still heading towards the same result no matter how you play it.

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Well, there's a bit more to it than just that.

But let's try not to give TOO much away.

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I feel like the game could have benefited from more dev time.

Or less wasting time putting some XBox Live tips and tricks ***** nobody cares about into the game with modeling tech, more revealing character appearances with an actual model or with some form of originality, rather than poorly photoshoping some free use picture of a model's face.

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From: Murphiroth | #009
The way people are reacting you'd thinking Bioware murdered their families or something.

I can get really invested in fictional characters and even come to think of them as a family of sorts. So that statement isn't completely off.

That said, while the ending was indeed the worst ending I've ever seen, the entire rest of the game was absolutely fantastic and so very much worth playing.

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LeonhartFour posted...
Well, there's a bit more to it than just that.

But let's try not to give TOO much away.

Oh, I assume there's more to it.

But I do have to question anyone saying "MY DECISIONS DON'T MATTER GRRRRRR"

They kinda... never do. They're important to the narrative, not the results, I guess.

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From: the icon ownz all | #012
I'm satisfied by an internally consistent narrative. Mass Effect 3 is an internally consistent narrative.

Well a lot of people would disagree that the resolution was consistent with the rest of the universe, myself included. <_<

Anyways ME3 is still probably the best game in the series, but as people are saying as the end to a trilogy the conclusion leaves a LOT to be desired.

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Well, the decisions in ME are more for the journey than the destination, I agree, but nevertheless, you'll see what people are talking about soon enough.

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LeonhartFour posted...
Well, the decisions in ME are more for the journey than the destination, I agree, but nevertheless, you'll see what people are talking about soon enough.

I won't because I accidentally deleted my file and have to start over.

All I've done so far in the opening and From Ashes.

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Oh right, I remember you saying that. Bummer.

Well, you'll find out eventually.

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The ending leaves a lot to be desired and ends up with more questions than answers. In other words it makes no sense. There are some theories out there that actually seem to make sense, but nothing really is conclusive in that regard.

Otherwise yeah, 99% of the game is fantastic and best in the series.

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I felt sad when things went bad for the characters and I also learned many things about love and friendship. I'm sure everyone has seen a movie, read a book, or heard music that stays with you and that you never forget. Mass Effect 3 is that type of work. I hope it is for you too.</obscure reference>

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From: tereziWright | #011
People spend 100 hours playing a series that's main focus is building up the character you want, and the ending doesn't reflect any of it whatsoever. You aren't even limited by your decisions up to that point.

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What's not reflected? Leading up to the final conflict, you meet one last time with the surviving squad members you've established relationships with over three games. These people are here because you, the player, brought them there. You have one last moment with your love interest. You see the fleets you've assembled into battle. In the last five minutes, the player is given a choice. These choices are consistent with both paragon and renegade Shepard. Paragon Shepard is a person open to compromise, able to bring peace to long-standing rivals, and willing to stand against a race (and a dead friend) just to give a new form of life an opportunity to live. Renegade Shepard, meanwhile, wants the Reapers dead - that's it. I fail to see where the 99 hours leading up to the final 1 are rendered meaningless. And I don't have a problem with the player given a choice at the end - how much more upset would you be if you were locked into a paragon ending just because you had slightly more paragon points, but you really wanted the renegade ending? I don't think the choice offered at the end is disrespectful of the commitment you gave to the series.

From: HeroDelTiempo17 | #020
Well a lot of people would disagree that the resolution was consistent with the rest of the universe, myself included. <_<

How are Shepard's actions inconsistent? What was out of the blue? I don't think humanity's struggle to exercise and demonstrate their free will is something Bioware put in at the last minute. It's been in all of the games. We are constantly reminded that time is cyclical, events are doomed to repeat themselves, and that there is a deterministic chain of events which will culminate in our destruction. And yet, Shepard and co. push back at every opportunity: Shepard denies death and breaks free of the Illusive Man; Miranda is determined to not let her sister suffer the same controlling fate she did; Mordin is given an opportunity to cure the genophage; the Geth and EDI are given the opportunity to experience consciousness. It's not surprising, then, that Shepard is able to break the galaxy's cycle and save humanity.












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From: the icon ownz all | #026
Paragon Shepard is a person open to compromise, able to bring peace to long-standing rivals, and willing to stand against a race (and a dead friend) just to give a new form of life an opportunity to live. Renegade Shepard, meanwhile, wants the Reapers dead - that's it.

If by "paragon" you mean "indoctrinated race traitor" then sure. Destroy is the only end that makes sense. Synthesis? Saren. Indoctrinated. Control? TIM. Indoctrinated. Any option that allows the Reapers to survive is wrong. They are not tragically misunderstood silent guardians that deserve a chance. They are automated galactic threshing machines operating on a fallacious principle that the series itself goes to great lengths to illustrate. Javik and the Reaper god can jump up and down on their chairs shouting "technological singularity" all they like, but large sections of this game and the previous were devoted to debunking this assertion.





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I don't understand how you can say the ending was fine, when there was no closure.


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Sure the reapers "die" or "retreat" or whatever, but why the hell is Joker and the crew fleeing the Sol system? How did all(ones that were fighting along side me near the end, who also happened to get hit by the laser cannon by Harbinger)my crewmates suddenly end up on the Normandy? How did they survive the crash?
More importantly how did Shepard survive the destruction of the Citadel, and end up in a pile of concrete instead of a pile of the Citadel?

All the final cutscenes simply make no sense.























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First of all, the actual ending had some good ideas (using the mass relays to defeat the Reapers was brilliant, for example), but the actual execution was very poor. Shepard's actions themselves aren't necessarily inconsistent, nor are any of the other characters. You're absolutely right about the series being about breaking out of the cycle. But the remaining theme the ending presents goes against the rest of the series. The space god you meet gives you these choices as he explains that the reason this is happening is because organics are doomed to be destroyed by synthetics. This is a statement that it is possible to actively prove wrong during the course of the game by uniting the Quarians and Geth, the latter of which are extremely friendly towards the former after their conflict is resolved. In addition, the main conflict of the series was NEVER about organics vs. synthetics; it was about the Reapers - or some hidden avatar of destruction - versus all of sentient life, including the geth. The geth were used as pawns by the Reapers in both ME1 and ME3, but in the ending they're suddenly lumped in on being on the opposing side. What was the point of introducing Legion in ME2 and being able to give the geth souls in ME3 if they were unequivocally "the enemy" no matter what all along? It's such a blatant turnaround of the themes of the series - the unity of all life organic AND machine in the face of unstoppable destruction. I don't see how you can argue how THAT'S consistent.

There's a bit of inconsistency in the ending options though: even though Shepard, regardless of alignment, just spent the last ten minutes talking to Illusive Man about why controlling the Reapers is an awful idea, TIM's pathway is color-coded blue, for Paragon. Meanwhile, Anderson acts as the proxy for the "destroy" ending, which has been the goal of Paragon and Renegade Shepard for the entire game. And this one is colored red - for Renegade, and now must operate on the flawed principle of the creator gods and destroy ALL synthetic life.

Then there's just the bizarre stuff that doesn't fit at all. Like Joker and your squadmates crash landing on that planet. I'm supposed to believe they just ran away in Shepard's final hour? Plus, no matter what you do, the mass relays are destroyed. So even though you might have cured the Krogan genophage, or got the Quarians their homeworld back, they're all stuck in the Sol system now! The LITERAL deus-ex-machina that appears in the last five minutes, apparently the plan of the ancients all along!....somehow. Stuff like that is what got people upset - the idea that Bioware didn't think out their own endings properly. They were good ideas executed poorly.

































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Jesus guys, I just wanted to know if I should be excited for the game.

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You should be.

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yes, probably

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Alright, thanks.

You can resume posting massive walls of line breaks, I guess.

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From: HeroDelTiempo17 | #031
and now must operate on the flawed principle of the creator gods and destroy ALL synthetic life.

I believe this was just an unfortunate side effect of the geth being powered up by the Reapers. I think the idea is that the Crucible indiscriminately destroys Reaper tech -- the Reapers, the relays, and more recently the geth and EDI. I think. I don't remember the kid's spiel word-for-word so I might be forgetting something.





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