Board 8 > Just had the "single moms" disucssion with the ex-girlfriend

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SmartMuffin
03/19/12 9:37:00 PM
#1:


My new goal in life is to meet ONE female who does not find this opinion to be completely unreasonable!

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Princess Anri
03/19/12 9:38:00 PM
#2:


I hate girls that don't believe in single moms.

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baron von toast
03/19/12 9:40:00 PM
#3:


Tell her she's a strong independent black woman who don't need no man.

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SovietOmega
03/19/12 9:40:00 PM
#4:


just pay her the money and support the economy already!

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Pokalicious
03/19/12 9:40:00 PM
#5:


How does that discussion go?

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SmartMuffin
03/19/12 9:41:00 PM
#6:


man, you guys don't remember my single moms topic?

it was p awesome. probably the most hate i've ever gotten on this board by far. literally had people threatening to find me and beat me up. then it got modded because lolmods

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CalvinbalI
03/19/12 9:43:00 PM
#7:


could you summarize it? i missed whatever topic you speak of.

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Princess Anri
03/19/12 9:43:00 PM
#8:


What was your stance?

Because I have no idea what "that discussion" really is.

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MoogleKupo141
03/19/12 9:43:00 PM
#9:


have you met any males who don't find it completely unreasonable

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SmartMuffin
03/19/12 9:44:00 PM
#10:


From: MoogleKupo141 | #009
have you met any males who don't find it completely unreasonable


I believe there were a COUPLE people in the topic who were like "I don't agree but what you're saying does not move me to violence," which I took as a sign of support!

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tereziWright
03/19/12 9:45:00 PM
#11:


I don't remember anything about that topic except that it made me put you on ignore for a few weeks.

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SmartMuffin
03/19/12 9:45:00 PM
#12:


From: CalvinbalI | #007
could you summarize it? i missed whatever topic you speak of.


Basically that single parents (I single-out the moms because I was talking specifically about "dealbreakers" when dating) are not heroes. That rather than hold them up as role models, society should hold them up as failures and examples of what NOT to do. Generally speaking, of course. I entertain the REMOTE possibility that some situations are completely and totally 100% one person (always the man, of course!)'s fault.

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tereziWright
03/19/12 9:46:00 PM
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Oh yeah that was it.

lol

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PrivateBiscuit1
03/19/12 9:47:00 PM
#14:


I expected this to be another lame Strahax topic.

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SmartMuffin
03/19/12 9:47:00 PM
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From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #014
I expected this to be another lame Strahax topic.


lame smartmuffin topic > lame strahax topic

surely even my haters can agree on this

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MoogleKupo141
03/19/12 9:49:00 PM
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SmartMuffin posted...
From: CalvinbalI | #007
could you summarize it? i missed whatever topic you speak of.
Basically that single parents (I single-out the moms because I was talking specifically about "dealbreakers" when dating) are not heroes. That rather than hold them up as role models, society should hold them up as failures and examples of what NOT to do. Generally speaking, of course. I entertain the REMOTE possibility that some situations are completely and totally 100% one person (always the man, of course!)'s fault.


yeah **** my mom for uh... letting my dad die? she is such a failure.

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tereziWright
03/19/12 9:49:00 PM
#17:


From: SmartMuffin | #015
lame smartmuffin topic > lame strahax topic

surely even my haters can agree on this


It's a lot more painful when we know the person behind the affront to humanity is sincere in his beliefs.

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AfroSquirrel
03/19/12 9:51:00 PM
#18:


From: SmartMuffin | #015
lame smartmuffin topic > lame strahax topic

surely even my haters can agree on this


I can agree. You've at least got a semi-coherent theme going on.

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MoogleKupo141
03/19/12 9:52:00 PM
#19:


AfroSquirrel posted...
From: SmartMuffin | #015
lame smartmuffin topic > lame strahax topic

surely even my haters can agree on this
I can agree. You've at least got a semi-coherent theme going on.


Strahax's theme is super coherent: "be the worst"

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Princess Anri
03/19/12 9:53:00 PM
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From: tereziWright | #017
It's a lot more painful when we know the person behind the affront to humanity is sincere in his beliefs.


To me, it's a lot less painful when we know the robot behind the affront to humanity is just malfunctioning in its prime directive.

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thundersheep
03/19/12 9:54:00 PM
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From: SmartMuffin | #012
Basically that single parents (I single-out the moms because I was talking specifically about "dealbreakers" when dating) are not heroes. That rather than hold them up as role models, society should hold them up as failures and examples of what NOT to do. Generally speaking, of course. I entertain the REMOTE possibility that some situations are completely and totally 100% one person (always the man, of course!)'s fault.


Ugh. I was kind of ready to agree with you since I wrote a bit on this for a Gender Studies class in which I basically said I don't feel sorry for single mothers on welfare working two jobs wanting universal childcare and such because... if you're having kids before you're married and you make no money... you should know what you're getting yourself into. Kids are preventable. Even if you're against abortion, there is adoption and.. yeah.

But even though I'm pretty sure we share some of the same opinions, the way you type it out makes you sound like a complete *******. Maybe I do too, I dunno.

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tereziWright
03/19/12 9:56:00 PM
#22:


If SMuffin is Robocop, then I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

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Tom Bombadil
03/19/12 9:57:00 PM
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From: SmartMuffin | Posted: 3/19/2012 11:47:40 PM | #015
lame smartmuffin topic > lame strahax topic

surely even my haters can agree on this


well see since I try to ignore politics I find lame strahax topics more entertaining

More on subject, I don't really think you can lump single parents into the Hero OR Failure boxes as one big group. Maybe the other one died, maybe the other one randomly cheated, maybe the single parent DID make some bad decisions but is working hard to turn things around and deal with the consequences- these would all be fairly "heroic." On the other side you have the plain ol' deadbeats, but I kinda feel like the lion's share probably falls somewhere in the middle.

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special_sauce
03/19/12 9:58:00 PM
#24:


wow I expected to agree with your crazy opinion but no, not really
although it isn't totally offensive...

From: MoogleKupo141 | #016
yeah **** my mom for uh... letting my dad die? she is such a failure.


except for when you think about it in relation to this possibility

good strahax topic (they exist) > good smuffin topic > bad smuffin topic > bad strahax topic

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OmarsComin
03/19/12 10:01:00 PM
#25:


this might be why she's your ex-girlfriend

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CoolCly
03/19/12 10:07:00 PM
#26:


From: SmartMuffin | #012
Basically that single parents (I single-out the moms because I was talking specifically about "dealbreakers" when dating) are not heroes. That rather than hold them up as role models, society should hold them up as failures and examples of what NOT to do. Generally speaking, of course. I entertain the REMOTE possibility that some situations are completely and totally 100% one person (always the man, of course!)'s fault.




My dad stole all their money when my parents were together so they couldn't pay bills and also cheated on my mom a ton of times. Eventually she couldn't take it anymore, divorced him, and kicked him out. Then she raised me and my two brothers alone working whatever she could


I didn't really understand that stuff at the time, but knowing my dad and my mom, yeah, I'm quite confident that's exactly what happened. My dad turned out to be a deadbeat and my mom did everything she could to provide for my brothers and I.


So yeah, from my perspective, I don't know how you could possibly hold the position you do.


Sure, there are single parents that just abuse social programs and stuff but to say single parents are failures.... Yeah, it could drive me to violence.

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foolm0ron
03/19/12 10:07:00 PM
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Anecdotal evidence ftw

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red sox 777
03/19/12 10:12:00 PM
#28:


IMO you should try really hard to make a marriage work for the sake of your children. But that could be personal anecdotal experience talking.

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MartinFF7
03/19/12 10:15:00 PM
#29:


From: SmartMuffin | #015
lame smartmuffin topic > lame strahax topic

surely even my haters can agree on this


SmartMuffin
SmartMuffin
SmartMuffin
SmartMuffin
SmartMuffin
SmartMuffin

Nope, just doesn't compare...

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redrocket
03/19/12 10:19:00 PM
#30:


More on subject, I don't really think you can lump single parents into the Hero OR Failure boxes as one big group.

This pretty much.

Also, single mom is 99% likely to be a "dealbreaker" for me as well, but it has nothing to do with her being a "failure".

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OmarsComin
03/19/12 10:23:00 PM
#31:


I do think men should discriminate against women who already have children though when looking for a new partner

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CeraSeptem
03/19/12 10:37:00 PM
#32:


Kids love me.

I might only want to bone kids mom.

Therefore, either never meet kid or don't bone mom.

Seems fair.

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Mr Lasastryke
03/19/12 10:45:00 PM
#33:


Basically that single parents (I single-out the moms because I was talking specifically about "dealbreakers" when dating) are not heroes. That rather than hold them up as role models, society should hold them up as failures and examples of what NOT to do.

What other people said. I can agree that there's no reason to hold single moms up as role models, but some of them do a fine job raising their child(ren). And your "society should hold them up as failures" stance is ridiculous.
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ExThaNemesis
03/19/12 10:53:00 PM
#34:


I think it'd be a fair bit more reasonable to say that society shouldn't paint single-parenthood as an acceptable choice to make. Something to be avoided if necessary, but not necessarily the end of the world like SMuffin thinks.

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KJH
03/20/12 12:11:00 AM
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Just judging from the people I knew from high school, but it kinda does need to be driven into people that having a kid is way more of a responsibility than they think.

Like, just from the random ones on facebook, at least 3 single pregnant soon-to-be moms, all 20-21 years old with no post-high school education or sufficient employment.

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Rad Link 5
03/20/12 12:22:00 AM
#36:


From: SmartMuffin | #006
lolmods


Mods literally told me that it would be fair to mod someone for saying "I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you." Because it's a threat.

I don't know what this topic is about, but I'm compelled to bust out another lolmods story whenever I sense someone posting lolmods.

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Seginustemple
03/20/12 12:41:00 AM
#37:


You can't just draw a connection between failure and single parenthood without the context of circumstance. Human beings aren't binary, they aren't if/then statements.

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Silvercross
03/20/12 12:48:00 AM
#38:


Wow, this topic is happening AGAIN.

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Dark Young Link
03/20/12 12:52:00 AM
#39:


SmartMuffin posted...
From: CalvinbalI | #007
could you summarize it? i missed whatever topic you speak of.
Basically that single parents (I single-out the moms because I was talking specifically about "dealbreakers" when dating) are not heroes. That rather than hold them up as role models, society should hold them up as failures and examples of what NOT to do. Generally speaking, of course. I entertain the REMOTE possibility that some situations are completely and totally 100% one person (always the man, of course!)'s fault.


*Nods*


I don't agree with what you're saying, but I can understand where you're coming from.

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LordoftheMorons
03/20/12 12:59:00 AM
#40:


Do you normally have conversations about your wildly unpopular opinions with your ex? I'm pretty sure that's not a thing people do.

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AdditionalPylon
03/20/12 1:00:00 AM
#41:


I hope there's a forthcoming explanation on why a single parent is by definition a failure.

~30% of children 17 years or younger in the US live in homes without both parents, and ~80% of those are working parents. 80% of your failure demographic are both working, and raising a child. No, that doesn't make them a hero, but I can't imagine how someone who is sustaining and raising their family can be considered a failure.
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MoogleKupo141
03/20/12 1:01:00 AM
#42:


KJH posted...
Just judging from the people I knew from high school, but it kinda does need to be driven into people that having a kid is way more of a responsibility than they think.

Like, just from the random ones on facebook, at least 3 single pregnant soon-to-be moms, all 20-21 years old with no post-high school education or sufficient employment.


right, that's the actual issue. It's not the number of participants, it's preparedness. There are single people who can handle having a kid, and there are couples who can't.

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MoogleKupo141
03/20/12 1:03:00 AM
#43:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Do you normally have conversations about your wildly unpopular opinions with your ex? I'm pretty sure that's not a thing people do.

smartmuffin also isn't a thing people do

hey - oh

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Lopen
03/20/12 1:14:00 AM
#44:


Good single parents should be treated well, bad ones should be condemned.

No different than normal parents. In fact I'd be pretty surprised if single parents irresponsibly had kids in any sort of disproportionate ratio to couples. There are plenty of unfit coupled parents too.

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Westbrick
03/20/12 2:59:00 AM
#45:


...Alright, I really don't understand SMuffin's position. You can empathize with the struggles of parenthood without glorifying it, much like we do with drug addicts.

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SlymDayspring
03/20/12 3:27:00 AM
#46:


You can empathize

if you have ever read a smartmuffin topic you would know that he is completely unable to do this in any situation

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ffmasterjose
03/20/12 4:04:00 AM
#47:


Smartmuffin, I am curious, whats your view on "single dads"?

My dad raised me and my 2 younger brothers essentially all by himself. He took care of everything financially, including always keeping a roof over our heads, making sure we always had food, etc. All the while our mother never had a job for more than a few weeks and spent most of her time drunk. Do you think he "failed" too?

Not trying to start anything, just curious like I said.

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agesboy
03/20/12 4:06:00 AM
#48:


smuffin you are literally the most entertaining user on this board

just thought I'd let you know!

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Leebo86
03/20/12 4:39:00 AM
#50:


From: Lopen | #044
Good single parents


Smuffin: "What good single parents?"

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JDTAY
03/20/12 6:07:00 AM
#51:


smuffin you are literally the most entertaining user on this board

just thought I'd let you know!

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