Board 8 > Dangan Ronpa Game - Epilogue - In which no Scooby snacks are awarded

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KCF0107
03/25/12 8:59:00 AM
#251:


Also, I hope you are happy Shados, I think it was you who punctured the boat, for saving the life of a man who ended up screwing you over

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shadosneko
03/25/12 9:03:00 AM
#252:


Yeah, well...

you were killing him. >_> I didn't puncture the boat, but I pushed you off and the boat got punctured from me doing that.

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Raka_Putra
03/25/12 9:05:00 AM
#253:


I want in too.

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_Regaro_
03/25/12 9:30:00 AM
#254:


Mafia is different, KCF. With mafia, most of the legwork goes into A) Making sure the setup is good and B) Making sure the game runs smoothly. And given the nature of mafia, it takes a lot less work (Votals, Flavor, Night Actions) to make sure it goes smoothly than everything that goes into this game. Though on the other hand, if we were to run another of this game, there would be a lot less work in making the setup because Haguile so generously did that already

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Haguile
03/25/12 12:50:00 PM
#255:


From: KanzarisKelshen | Posted: 3/25/2012 4:23:10 AM | #246
Because it isn't Board 8 if the newbie doesn't get hazed.


Justin is technically Maria's senior as far as murder mystery games go!

From: Justin_Crossing | Posted: 3/25/2012 4:13:44 AM | #245
I COULD HAVE BEEN A LAWYER?

WHY WASN'T MARIA REROLLED

;-;


Because Maria's role was sorted before yours was. So...pure random chance!

Talking about the setup, I'm currently making version 1.0 of the Gamemaster's rulebook, based on everything I learned from the test game. This thing is looking ridiculously long.

The way I'm laying out instructions it should be pretty easy for anyone to run the game. It should still be a bit harder to run than mafia, but hopefully not much.

So far, here's a few balance fixes I have prepared:

--Wild Animal Tamer is now considered the murderer if his animal kills anyone at all. He also has a cage to keep his animal at if he wishes to. This means no "Was the lion ordered to do X or not" tangents anymore. To balance it out, the Tamer now has near divine control of his animal.

--Psychics can receive messages containing up to 70% of the original words in the dead man's message as opposed to 40%.

--Super High School Level Spy now has a spy watch to watch his cameras with, so he doesn't have to rely on televisions.
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_Regaro_
03/25/12 12:51:00 PM
#256:


From: Haguile | Posted: 3/25/2012 2:50:20 PM | #255
Wild Animal Tamer is now considered the murderer if his animal kills anyone at all. He also has a cage to keep his animal at if he wishes to


fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffs

To balance it out, the Tamer now has near divine control of his animal.


yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

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SemiFinal vs Belarus
03/25/12 1:00:00 PM
#257:


no need for cyborg implants anymore, now you can just possess your lion from beyond the grave

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saveus_Maria
03/25/12 1:01:00 PM
#258:


In short make sure if you're going to kill someone, kill the psychic before anyone else.

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Justin_Crossing
03/25/12 1:08:00 PM
#259:


From: Haguile | #255
[quoted text]

Justin is technically Maria's senior as far as murder mystery games go!

[quoted text]

Because Maria's role was sorted before yours was. So...pure random chance!

Talking about the setup, I'm currently making version 1.0 of the Gamemaster's rulebook, based on everything I learned from the test game. This thing is looking ridiculously long.

The way I'm laying out instructions it should be pretty easy for anyone to run the game. It should still be a bit harder to run than mafia, but hopefully not much.

So far, here's a few balance fixes I have prepared:

--Wild Animal Tamer is now considered the murderer if his animal kills anyone at all. He also has a cage to keep his animal at if he wishes to. This means no "Was the lion ordered to do X or not" tangents anymore. To balance it out, the Tamer now has near divine control of his animal.

--Psychics can receive messages containing up to 70% of the original words in the dead man's message as opposed to 40%.

--Super High School Level Spy now has a spy watch to watch his cameras with, so he doesn't have to rely on televisions.


also surfer stops existing

right

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Haguile
03/25/12 1:12:00 PM
#260:


From: Justin_Crossing | Posted: 3/25/2012 4:08:26 PM | #259
also surfer stops existing

right


No, Surfer is upgraded to RADICAL DUDE who loves all sorts of extreme sports. So you get a surfboard and a skateboard. EXTREME!
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saveus_Maria
03/25/12 1:13:00 PM
#261:


is there a Michael Bay Man role who loves explosions?

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Haguile
03/25/12 1:14:00 PM
#262:


There actually is!
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Sceptilesolar
03/25/12 1:14:00 PM
#263:


obviously the guy contacted by the psychic should just give the message

The The The The The The The The The The Murderer Murderer Murderer Murderer etc

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Haguile
03/25/12 1:15:00 PM
#264:


The host also has the "stop being a dick" clause which would allow him to get around such issue.
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_Regaro_
03/25/12 1:16:00 PM
#265:


or just give a list of five or so people, including the murderer and say "Group effort go"

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saveus_Maria
03/25/12 1:16:00 PM
#266:


the host could just blank out the 30% of the message that was the culprits name

so you'd get

the the the the the culprit culprit culprit culprit is is is is (blank) (blank) (blank) (blank)

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KamikazePotato
03/25/12 1:17:00 PM
#267:


The message could seriously just be the culprit's name repeated over and over.

The Psychic in general seems kind of broken even with 60% of the words blocked out.

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saveus_Maria
03/25/12 1:18:00 PM
#268:


huh that reminds me

did Ryoko try to send a message about me? if so, how come dexter never brought it up?

EDIT: oh wait, he was already dead. yeah. I got very lucky there.

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_Regaro_
03/25/12 1:20:00 PM
#269:


From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 3/25/2012 3:17:53 PM | #267
The message could seriously just be the culprit's name repeated over and over.

The Psychic in general seems kind of broken even with 60% of the words blocked out.


Yeah this too <_<;

honestly I probably wouldn't use the role if I were choosing which ones to use!

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KCF0107
03/25/12 1:26:00 PM
#270:


From: Haguile | #615
Justin is technically Maria's senior as far as murder mystery games go!


This was my first murder mystery so I think that makes me the rookie

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Haguile
03/25/12 1:26:00 PM
#271:


The messages were only delivered during the day, by the way, and with some decent delay between them being transmitted and being received.

That headache Dexter got during day 1 was getting a psychic vision. So even if Dexter was alive, he wouldn't be able to get anything in time.

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 3/25/2012 4:17:53 PM | #267
The message could seriously just be the culprit's name repeated over and over.

The Psychic in general seems kind of broken even with 60% of the words blocked out.


Again, "don't be a dick" clause. Plus there's a minimum of different words that need to be used in the sentence. During this game, when Dexter got his vision, SSBM told him Sceptile was the culprit and to look at his cameras for evidence of that. What he got instead was that he should go to the A/V room. It can be very misleading.
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Haguile
03/25/12 1:28:00 PM
#272:


From: KCF0107 | Posted: 3/25/2012 4:26:35 PM | #270
This was my first murder mystery so I think that makes me the rookie


Which is why you got the hardest role to win with...I guess?
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SemiFinal vs Belarus
03/25/12 1:30:00 PM
#273:


it could be worse; you can get a character that literally doesn't exist and is simply being used to alibi the culprit. not being told any of this. =P

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Haguile
03/25/12 1:31:00 PM
#274:


From: SemiFinal vs Belarus | Posted: 3/25/2012 4:30:28 PM | #273
it could be worse; you can get a character that literally doesn't exist and is simply being used to alibi the culprit. not being told any of this. =P


Hey, hey. You existed. You just so happened to die right off the bat. Plus it was an Umineko game so I maintain that terrible twists were loyal to the flavor.
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SemiFinal vs Belarus
03/25/12 1:42:00 PM
#275:


pfft. this was before we knew umineko would resolved with a series of terrible twists.

(the me being dead twist wasn't really even that bad, just really dickish. now the whale twist, that was terribad.)

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Justin_Crossing
03/25/12 1:43:00 PM
#276:


inflatable boats

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Haguile
03/25/12 1:54:00 PM
#277:


From: Justin_Crossing | Posted: 3/25/2012 4:43:34 PM | #276
inflatable boats


I STILL STAND BY THAT BEING PLAUSIBLE
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Raka_Putra
03/25/12 2:04:00 PM
#278:


Wooden cannon was pretty good.

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Justin_Crossing
03/25/12 2:08:00 PM
#279:


'if this is true i will piss myself laughing'

'what'

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PrivateBiscuit1
03/25/12 2:35:00 PM
#280:


I feel like the wrestler could've had more mileage out of his role had he actually been able to challenge people for the day time too. It's pretty hard for it to be used feasibly since people would know they'd meet up with them, so it's better to be used as a role to make sure somebody can't be somewhere.

Other balance-y stuff... the game basically turned into "who could trick who into getting the most strikes?" which I'm not sure is most effective. I don't have any ideas on how to fix that.

I still think that some kind of system with ghetto stats might work out well. Like a five point system. For instance, a wrestler could be:

Strength: 5
Speed: 3
Stealth: 2
etc.:

Then maybe list skills and inventory after that. That way it can help decide what he can or can't do a little better.

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Justin_Crossing
03/25/12 2:37:00 PM
#281:


Yeah I felt the strike system was a little overbearing considering that you could lose strikes on whether or not people were dead or alive, much less other things

Also *nudge*haguileyouknowwhatshouldgohere*nudge*

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dexter28
03/25/12 2:47:00 PM
#282:


I felt the same way on the strike system. Every murderer instantly has multiple accomplices.

In a smaller game with 8 or 9 players it doesn't really feel needed since there are only going to be two or three murders anyway.

From: Haguile | #271
The messages were only delivered during the day, by the way, and with some decent delay between them being transmitted and being received That headache Dexter got during day 1 was getting a psychic vision. So even if Dexter was alive, he wouldn't be able to get anything in time..


Wasn't there technically a day between the two trials, even if no one was allowed to do anything?

But psychic was an incredibly good role, I probably shouldn't have thrown it away by lion hunting.

Those balance changes are all pretty good.

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Haguile
03/25/12 4:20:00 PM
#283:


From: PrivateBiscuit1 | Posted: 3/25/2012 5:35:36 PM | #280
I feel like the wrestler could've had more mileage out of his role had he actually been able to challenge people for the day time too. It's pretty hard for it to be used feasibly since people would know they'd meet up with them, so it's better to be used as a role to make sure somebody can't be somewhere.


Yeah, I have a special surprise prepared for the wrestler role. The new incarnation will basically give the pro wrestler a popularity based bonus. If he's "over" with the crowd(players) he'll be stronger during fights, get items from Monobear, plus a few other things. If the wrestler is not "over" with the crowd...yeaaaah. The way this is measured is literally through votes. It's a quirky role post-reform.

Other balance-y stuff... the game basically turned into "who could trick who into getting the most strikes?" which I'm not sure is most effective. I don't have any ideas on how to fix that.


I think a do-or-die system could fix that in theory. The problem would be that, well, games could end really fast like that. I think maybe something like "every time somebody takes a strike something bad happens to everyone" could be a potential way around that issue though.

From: dexter28 | Posted: 3/25/2012 5:47:45 PM | #282
Wasn't there technically a day between the two trials, even if no one was allowed to do anything?


Nope.
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KanzarisKelshen
03/25/12 4:27:00 PM
#284:


From: Haguile | #283
I think a do-or-die system could fix that in theory. The problem would be that, well, games could end really fast like that. I think maybe something like "every time somebody takes a strike something bad happens to everyone" could be a potential way around that issue though.


If I really get somebody who'll help run things, I'll do something like this, yeah. Party line will be that Monobear dislikes stupidity, so he punishes everybody for it to make sure the dunces are taken care of, one way or another. Stuff like say, sealing the cafeteria for two or three days to force people to scrounge for food or take penalties, going up in severity the harder people derp.

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saveus_Maria
03/25/12 6:33:00 PM
#285:


an accurate summation of the final trial

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saveus_Maria
03/25/12 6:38:00 PM
#286:


one more and I'm done I swear

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SemiFinal vs Belarus
03/25/12 6:43:00 PM
#287:


pfft. biscuit/steiner is clearly kinzo.

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KamikazePotato
03/25/12 6:43:00 PM
#288:


link to that Umineko image generator please

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saveus_Maria
03/25/12 6:46:00 PM
#289:


I call this one 'retrospect'

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KamikazePotato
03/25/12 6:53:00 PM
#290:


God we were so stupid at that part

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Haguile
03/25/12 6:57:00 PM
#291:


I was laughing so much when you guys kept bringing up a possible fat suit and never actually did anything with that tangent.
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saveus_Maria
03/25/12 7:01:00 PM
#292:


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Haguile
03/25/12 7:05:00 PM
#293:


Perfect representation.
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Raka_Putra
03/25/12 7:05:00 PM
#294:


Someone should just make a Umineko patch containing this game.

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saveus_Maria
03/25/12 7:09:00 PM
#295:


okay really the last one. . . for now.

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RyokIes
03/25/12 7:18:00 PM
#296:


From: Haguile | #291
I was laughing so much when you guys kept bringing up a possible fat suit and never actually did anything with that tangent.


as was i

i was so damn sloppy and nobody even caught on haha

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PrivateBiscuit1
03/25/12 7:24:00 PM
#297:


I'm disappointed you didn't make one about Spiral thinking that Regaro's lion was imaginary. lol

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Tom Bombadil
03/25/12 7:30:00 PM
#298:


wait, I thought they took the umineko thingy down

I WANT IT

uh please

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Solfadore
03/25/12 7:31:00 PM
#299:


http://jbcs.info/Umineko/screenshot/generator.html

Would this be it?

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_Regaro_
03/25/12 7:33:00 PM
#300:


Looks like it to me

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