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TimJab
04/14/12 12:49:00 PM
#452:


From: SmartMuffin | #404
lol, I just started this week's Impact

the audience is chanting "we don't care" at Eric Bischoff's promo.

Really couldn't have said it better myself!

Team Bischoff vs Team Bischoff, a match where you can safely hate both teams!


you wanna hear a chant, fast forward to the wedding

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

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voltch
04/14/12 1:02:00 PM
#453:


Daniel Bryan is without the doubt but you can't compare because you haven't seen Aries.


Makes perfect sense.

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MRNlCEWATCH
04/14/12 1:06:00 PM
#454:


the best wrestler is THE GREAT ONE

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voltch
04/14/12 1:08:00 PM
#455:


Don "The Rock" Muraco?

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TimJab
04/14/12 1:09:00 PM
#456:


From: voltch | #454
Daniel Bryan is without the doubt but you can't compare because you haven't seen Aries.


Makes perfect sense.


there was supposed to be a "to me" in there

but it's not like i've never seen aries anyway, i just haven't seen what he's been doing in TNA

i watched him in ROH for 5 years before jakyl even knew who he was, i know what he's capable of

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JaKyL25
04/14/12 1:09:00 PM
#457:


I'm more counting in-ring product than "total package," although part of that is the charismatic ability to manipulate the crowd through wrestling. I'm not really counting pure "promo ability" though, per se.

Bryan is probably the most TALENTED wrestler in the world, they just don't give him a chance to show it off much.

Aries is out there stealing the show every other week for the last 10 months. TNA has given him the opportunity that WWE hasn't given Bryan, despite having been World Champion.

Jericho still has to re-prove himself after his comeback. He's clearly still VERY GOOD, I just want more evidence that he's still ELITE.

I still like Generico better than Steen. Generico would be my (not 100% educated) choice for Best on the Indies right now.

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TimJab
04/14/12 1:09:00 PM
#458:


From: Jakyl25 | #418
And just to re-iterate something I said in a chat recently to see if maybe anyone else has someone else to throw in this debate:

Austin Aries is, in my opinion, the best professional wrestler in the world today.


i assume you're going by the full package rather than just in-ring skills?

because if you are, then for the first time ever, danielson is without a doubt the best in the world (to me) right now. he's been absolutely murdering since winning the title. i haven't seen aries in TNA so i can't really compare.

as for the japanese guys, i obviously have no idea who's the best on the mic, but if i'm taking a full package guy from there it's probably either tanahashi or tozawa, but i'd take danielson over both of them. devitt is very good as well.

punk, jericho, and steen would be in the top 5 as well, with danielson and i suppose aries since i trust jakyl's judgement so long as HHH isn't involved.

based on pure in-ring talent, danielson still takes the cake.

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MRNlCEWATCH
04/14/12 1:10:00 PM
#459:


voltch posted...
Don "The Rock" Muraco?

Dwayne "The Rock" "BaRock Obama" "The Hussein Osama" Muraco Johnson

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TimJab
04/14/12 1:13:00 PM
#460:


generico is indeed incredible

he's an amazing wrestler and incredibly charismatic and even though i love his gimmick i've always felt like he's a bit of a one trick pony. he did prove that he can be a part of a completely serious blood feud, but i give steen a lot of the credit for that. generico's gimmick kind of holds him back as he can't really cut many intriguing promos when he speaks fake spanish.

his feud in PWG with the men of low moral fiber was the greatest thing i've ever seen however.

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edwardsdv
04/14/12 3:47:00 PM
#461:


Man, I have to hand it to TNA. They have so much talent and yet cant seem to figure out how to handle putting solid angles and builds with their least talented people.

Like Bischoff vs. Bischoff, for a thrown together last minute thing, Theyre selling bischoff v bischoff pretty well. But its Bischoff v Biscoff so who care? The match itself should be decent at least.

And like we're getting what multiple Eric Young talking segments every night with guys like Aries Anderson Roode and Bully Ray on the roster. Its honestly befuddling, how much they squander their massive potential.

Even MORE amazing is that I STILL prefer it to WWE most of the time.

I will give it this though: that Roode vs. Storm build has been great. There;s like NO chance that it delivers/blows off at lockdown because LOL TNA. But I like it a lot, primarily because Roode is one of the best champions I've seen in a long time.

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Kinglicious
04/14/12 5:22:00 PM
#462:


While not knowing what to do with the talent is a tna theme, Aries is the one case that I'll say they absolutely deserve praise for. They let him go and do things his way and the results show. That belt has never looked better.

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edwardsdv
04/14/12 5:33:00 PM
#463:


I think for all that we crap on them, and rightly so if this main event feud goes well and they keep doing the right things with Aries, theyre gonna have three big name stars that they grew themselves.

Not bad for TNA.

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SmartMuffin
04/14/12 5:39:00 PM
#464:


From: Kinglicious | #462
While not knowing what to do with the talent is a tna theme, Aries is the one case that I'll say they absolutely deserve praise for. They let him go and do things his way and the results show. That belt has never looked better.


I'm not so sure about the belt never looking better. The flaw with Aries' current run is that he has been SO good, he doesn't have much in the way of competition. Most of his defenses have been against literal nobodies who were never really booked as much of a credible threat to him in the first place.

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/14/12 6:08:00 PM
#465:


Ahahaha CM Punk keeps posting pics on his twitter of Zack Ryder falling asleep constantly.

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EmDubyaSee
04/14/12 6:20:00 PM
#466:


Ring work is important, but mic skills more so. And you need a combination of both to be the best in the world. That said (not including the Rock, who is probably the best Professional Wrestler ever, if not, he is certainly top 3 without any (intelligent) debate) the best in the world right now is the guy who has it on his shirt. It's Punk. The second best probably is Dragon, just because he became magic on the mic in the past 2 months, to go with his all ready superb in ring talents.
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JaKyL25
04/14/12 6:31:00 PM
#467:


Aries is better on the mic than Bryan. Not that Bryan's not good.

And yeah, I can agree that Punk is probably the best "total package" right now, but when I phrased the question I really just meant it as "the guy that's week-in week-out putting on the best matches over relatively recent history"

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SmartMuffin
04/14/12 6:34:00 PM
#468:


Aries' mic-work is just as good as anyone else's. Punk hasn't done anything great on the mic since Cena, really. Jericho is doing all the heavy lifting on the mic in this feud...

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JaKyL25
04/14/12 6:40:00 PM
#469:


That's because Jericho's been given the meatier material, and Punk is really just reactionary. He had a good diatribe towards Jericho early in the feud though.

I give Punk tons of credit for being the biggest natural on the mic in the company (aside from Rock). He says what he means, he says it with conviction, and he sounds like he's speaking to us off the cuff instead of reciting lines he or someone else came up with earlier (which even Rock is guilty of but gets away with it because of his stronger charisma).

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DSAutoResponder
04/14/12 7:14:00 PM
#470:


if you ever wanna see naked japanese wrestlers, just follow kota ibushi's twitter

















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Bidoof
04/14/12 7:20:00 PM
#471:


Kinglicious posted...
While not knowing what to do with the talent is a tna theme, Aries is the one case that I'll say they absolutely deserve praise for. They let him go and do things his way and the results show. That belt has never looked better.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Aries is an excellent performer in a division that isn't given ****. There was a time in TNA's history where the X-Division was relevant and had great matches going with it.
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Wanglicious
04/14/12 7:23:00 PM
#472:


you're right, it isn't given ****.
except for the past couple months when he's held the belt and literally cleaned the division out. he hasn't been just seen as unbeatable mind you - he did have Shelley to worry about. and now he's fighting with legit main event guys while holding that belt. the reasonable thing here would be to have some guys that can fight at the ME level also fight for that belt, so long as they qualify for the weight limit anyway.

which basically means yes, i just want Aries vs. AJ

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SmartMuffin
04/14/12 7:41:00 PM
#473:


I think you guys are exaggerating all of this.

The X-Division has had plenty of upper-midcard guys as champ before and they've done plenty of "x-division champ is now playing with the big boys" angles in the past. Bully Ray in particular has a feud against the X-Division champ every other year or so. Nothing all that new here, really...

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Lopen
04/14/12 7:48:00 PM
#474:


Yeah the X-Division title wasn't the one that had super damaged credibility anyway, and it has been pretty big in the past. I'll say it was on the wane when Aries picked it up and he gave it a boost, but it was still legitimate even before he had it.

The one with credibility in shambles would be the TV title

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Bidoof
04/14/12 7:49:00 PM
#475:


That's assuming you ever felt that the TV title had credibility to begin with!

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Lopen
04/14/12 7:53:00 PM
#476:


Hey man the Legends Title was cool okay

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JaKyL25
04/14/12 7:55:00 PM
#477:


Any title whose lineage includes "Kevin Nash defeats AJ Styles" has a lot of uphill climbing to do

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SmartMuffin
04/14/12 7:55:00 PM
#478:


It had the most credibility as the "global title" for about 15 minute!

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Bidoof
04/14/12 7:56:00 PM
#479:


SmartMuffin posted...
It had the most credibility as the "global title" for about 15 minute!

Any title held by Eric Young has negative credibility.
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Wanglicious
04/14/12 7:58:00 PM
#480:


what about the knockout tag titles.

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SmartMuffin
04/14/12 7:58:00 PM
#481:


Heel Eric Young actually had some credibility as a wrestler.

It's only when he's a comedy face that things are... well... like this...

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JaKyL25
04/14/12 7:59:00 PM
#482:


From: Wanglicious | #480
what about the knockout tag titles.


Any title formerly held by Lacey Von Erich REALLY has some uphill climbing to do.

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SmartMuffin
04/14/12 8:00:00 PM
#483:


I miss Lacey... she was really effective at what she was supposed to do. That is, look hot and act stupid. Probably helped that she didn't need to act...

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JaKyL25
04/14/12 8:00:00 PM
#484:


I agree that she was hot.

But then they had her wrestle.

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Wanglicious
04/14/12 8:01:00 PM
#485:


well yes.
but see, eric young is raising the bar on that title!

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SmartMuffin
04/14/12 8:02:00 PM
#486:


From: Jakyl25 | #484
I agree that she was hot.

But then they had her wrestle.


They learned their lesson though. She STARTED as a wrestler, and the longer she was there, turned into more and more of a "stand around and look hot" role.

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Lopen
04/14/12 8:03:00 PM
#487:


I think the Knockouts Tag Titles are more credible than the TV Title.

At least you get the feeling that people actually want them with the KO Tag Titles, even if the division is so thin it doesn't make sense to have them.

The TV Title is just like, that thing people that people who fight Robbie E might win if they beat him cleanly.

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Wanglicious
04/14/12 8:03:00 PM
#488:


so i guess the real question with lacey is why didn't wwe pick her up.
<__<

she could form a heel tag team stable with kelly kelly!
please don't tell wwe this idea. i mean vince probably tried already but still.

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SmartMuffin
04/14/12 8:04:00 PM
#489:


The Knockouts Tag Team Titles were invented explicitly to give the Beautiful People something to do. Then they never actually won them. And yet, the titles hung around for some unknown reason.

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Bidoof
04/14/12 8:05:00 PM
#490:


Lacey was released by the WWE presumably because they saw her wrestle and were like "ok there's no way we can have THAT on television."
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Wanglicious
04/14/12 8:05:00 PM
#491:


to give eric young more belts, duh.
just you wait he'll be the only person to hold every belt in tna. and i mean every - gail kim watch out. just you wait until his main event push!

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SmartMuffin
04/14/12 8:05:00 PM
#492:


From: Bidoof | #490
Lacey was released by the WWE presumably because they saw her wrestle and were like "ok there's no way we can have THAT on television."


She's not THAT much worse than Kelly Kelly...

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/14/12 8:07:00 PM
#493:


From: SmartMuffin | #492
She's not THAT much worse than Kelly Kelly...


Yes she is.

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Wanglicious
04/14/12 8:08:00 PM
#494:


pfft, i don't believe they did that for a second. wwe hired a fitness model who didn't know the first thing about wrestling for NXT3 and she's still employed. and kelly kelly exists. or alicia fox. or the tough enough girl who said she liked that alicia fox/melina match (she's one of the brodus dancer - the one who's better at dancing because she has no wrestling talent, that's entirely in the other one with the huge legs).

you'd have to literally be worse than someone who doesn't know how to do an arm bar for wwe to not consider you if you're a hot chick.

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/14/12 8:10:00 PM
#495:


Wang has a point, really.

I mean, Aksana still has a job.

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Lopen
04/14/12 8:10:00 PM
#496:


I'd rather watch a Lacey match than a Kelly match simply because Lacey doesn't do her best Tennis Player impersonation every time she fights. They're both pretty terrible in the ring but yeah Lacey doesn't shriek annoyingly.

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JaKyL25
04/14/12 8:10:00 PM
#497:


From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #493
Yes she is.


Seconded.

Kelly Kelly is just "a very bad wrestler."

Lacey Von Erich is "an untrained person trying to wrestle."


Or at least if she was trained, you can't tell, and whoever was responsible for it should be ashamed.

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Wanglicious
04/14/12 8:12:00 PM
#498:


you just described kaitlyn and cameron. both employed! and early kelly kelly!
though yes, there is aksana. who literally botches doing the trombone in a victory lap.

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Wanglicious
04/14/12 8:12:00 PM
#499:


YES!
YES!
YES!

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/14/12 8:13:00 PM
#500:


I feel like I should show Lopen the Naomi and Cameron Lynn in FCW.

You'd want to watch a million Kelly Kelly matches with Velvet Skye promos playing in the background.

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