Board 8 > So I think we can all agree now that Trayvon Martin was killed in self-defense

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Mershaaay
04/20/12 1:09:00 PM
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right?

http://www.drudgereport.com/

I have never in my life seen the media so obviously manipulate everything about a case, only to be disproved months later in just about all accounts.

-Trayvon was not a little boy seen in the original media photos of him; he was a large thug adult
-Trayvon was not simply walking around his neighborhood innocently; he is suspected of robbery and stolen jewelry throughout that year
-George Zimmerman is not white
-George Zimmerman is not a racist, nor did he speak any racial slurs on the 911 call
-George Zimmerman did not "chase" Trayvon; he merely stopped him to ask him what he was doing
-Trayvon ATTACKED Zimmerman and bashed his head against a curb until he gushed blood
-Zimmerman only shot Trayvon because he would have been badly wounded or killed otherwise
-Trayvon's parents are degenerates who want to profit off of the ignorance of their supporters by trademarking their son's name and selling t-shirts
-Trayvon's parents cried that Zimmerman never apologized, but when he offers to meet with them they refuse; and when he then apologizes in public since he was not granted a private meeting, they say he was "disingenuous" for making a public statement
-The prosecution deliberately withheld evidence (which is a felony) in order to bolster the charges against Zimmerman

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neonreaper
04/20/12 1:10:00 PM
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he should have been carrying a gun so he could shoot Zimmerman in self-defense

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KingButz
04/20/12 1:10:00 PM
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using the word "thug"seems pretty biased

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Mershaaay
04/20/12 1:11:00 PM
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neonreaper posted...
he should have been carrying a gun so he could shoot Zimmerman in self-defense

I guess it's okay to go out and murder every neighborhood watchman who decides to follow/question you

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Erugios
04/20/12 1:11:00 PM
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This who Trayvon Martin thing reeks of the same flame-fanning the media did during the Rodney King scandal. They're going to manipulate the truth on both sides, trying to make this the biggest powder keg possible so that people continue to watch.

As for my thoughts. Is Zimmerman necessarily guilty of murder? Maybe, maybe not. However, he should still be investigated as such.

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Mershaaay
04/20/12 1:12:00 PM
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KingButz posted...
using the word "thug"seems pretty biased

His twitter account was "NO_LIMIT_N****" and he had a grill

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Mershaaay
04/20/12 1:13:00 PM
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Erugios posted...
This who Trayvon Martin thing reeks of the same flame-fanning the media did during the Rodney King scandal.

Guarantee there will be comparable riots when Zimmerman gets cleared, too.

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neonreaper
04/20/12 1:14:00 PM
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Mershaaay posted...
neonreaper posted...
he should have been carrying a gun so he could shoot Zimmerman in self-defense

I guess it's okay to go out and murder every neighborhood watchman who decides to follow/question you


If they pull a gun to shoot you, absolutely yes, in certain states.

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Mershaaay
04/20/12 1:17:00 PM
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neonreaper posted...
Mershaaay posted...
neonreaper posted...
he should have been carrying a gun so he could shoot Zimmerman in self-defense

I guess it's okay to go out and murder every neighborhood watchman who decides to follow/question you

If they pull a gun to shoot you, absolutely yes, in certain states.


oh, he was too busy beating him to death with his fists to grab a gun

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StifledSeagulls
04/20/12 1:19:00 PM
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I'm so tired of this Trayvon crap because the media only cares because he was black.

My friend (white) got shot to death by four police officers because he came at them with a pair of scissors. They all shot to kill and not disarm. Yet there was no media outrage about it.

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neonreaper
04/20/12 1:20:00 PM
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never underestimate the ability of young people to multitask in this society

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Mershaaay
04/20/12 1:20:00 PM
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StifledSeagulls posted...
I'm so tired of this Trayvon crap because the media only cares because he was black.

My friend (white) got shot to death by four police officers because he came at them with a pair of scissors. They all shot to kill and not disarm. Yet there was no media outrage about it.


haha nice

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Jeff Zero
04/20/12 1:21:00 PM
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StifledSeagulls posted...
I'm so tired of this Trayvon crap because the media only cares because he was black.

My friend (white) got shot to death by four police officers because he came at them with a pair of scissors. They all shot to kill and not disarm. Yet there was no media outrage about it.


That blows.

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AlecTrevelyan006
04/20/12 1:24:00 PM
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From: StifledSeagulls | #010
I'm so tired of this Trayvon crap because the media only cares because he was black.

My friend (white) got shot to death by four police officers because he came at them with a pair of scissors. They all shot to kill and not disarm. Yet there was no media outrage about it.


While death at the hands of the police is a tragedy, there is no "shoot to disarm" in real life.

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StifledSeagulls
04/20/12 1:27:00 PM
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It was at close range though. They should have easily been trained well enough to hit a leg or something. Instead all four simultaneously went for the kill.

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neonreaper
04/20/12 1:28:00 PM
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StifledSeagulls posted...
It was at close range though. They should have easily been trained well enough to hit a leg or something. Instead all four simultaneously went for the kill.

If he was on PCP the leg shot would mean very little

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Erugios
04/20/12 1:28:00 PM
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I'm not even sure they needed to shoot him if he was just charging them with scizzors. They have batons, right?

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StifledSeagulls
04/20/12 1:30:00 PM
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neonreaper posted...
StifledSeagulls posted...
It was at close range though. They should have easily been trained well enough to hit a leg or something. Instead all four simultaneously went for the kill.

If he was on PCP the leg shot would mean very little



>_> he wasn't on PCP. He had an emotional breakdown and became violent. I forget what disorder he had, but if he wasn't medicated, his emotional stability was erratic.

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StifledSeagulls
04/20/12 1:31:00 PM
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Erugios posted...
I'm not even sure they needed to shoot him if he was just charging them with scizzors. They have batons, right?

Yeah that's also true. Batons or those taser gun things should have been sufficient.

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Mershaaay
04/20/12 1:34:00 PM
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This topic is about Trayvon

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neonreaper
04/20/12 1:37:00 PM
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StifledSeagulls posted...
neonreaper posted...
StifledSeagulls posted...
It was at close range though. They should have easily been trained well enough to hit a leg or something. Instead all four simultaneously went for the kill.

If he was on PCP the leg shot would mean very little


>_> he wasn't on PCP. He had an emotional breakdown and became violent. I forget what disorder he had, but if he wasn't medicated, his emotional stability was erratic.


I didn't say he was, but if a guy was charging at cops with scissors, I would assume the worst.

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ExThaNemesis
04/20/12 1:38:00 PM
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From: Mershaaay | #020
This topic is about Trayvon


Sorry that Stifled's white friend isn't interesting enough for you to talk about!

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AlecTrevelyan006
04/20/12 1:39:00 PM
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From: StifledSeagulls | #018
neonreaper posted...
StifledSeagulls posted...
It was at close range though. They should have easily been trained well enough to hit a leg or something. Instead all four simultaneously went for the kill.

If he was on PCP the leg shot would mean very little



>_> he wasn't on PCP. He had an emotional breakdown and became violent. I forget what disorder he had, but if he wasn't medicated, his emotional stability was erratic.


The point being that the cops did not know that. And if he were on PCP, and they did manage to hit him in the leg, he wouldn't be stopped, one of many reasons why police do not "aim for the leg".

Perhaps they should have used tazers (probably not batons). I do not know the situation.

However, when you do draw a gun, you are committed to using lethal force. Trained police do not shoot to wound. It is dangerous and unrealistic.

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Mershaaay
04/20/12 1:39:00 PM
#24:


ExThaNemesis posted...
From: Mershaaay | #020
This topic is about Trayvon
Sorry that Stifled's white friend isn't interesting enough for you to talk about!


if the Media purposely lied and convinced half the nation to believe their lies then I would care more

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ExThaNemesis
04/20/12 1:40:00 PM
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Also someone called SephG calling someone a thug is ironic!

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neonreaper
04/20/12 1:41:00 PM
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AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
From: StifledSeagulls | #018
neonreaper posted...
StifledSeagulls posted...
It was at close range though. They should have easily been trained well enough to hit a leg or something. Instead all four simultaneously went for the kill.

If he was on PCP the leg shot would mean very little


>_> he wasn't on PCP. He had an emotional breakdown and became violent. I forget what disorder he had, but if he wasn't medicated, his emotional stability was erratic.
The point being that the cops did not know that. And if he were on PCP, and they did manage to hit him in the leg, he wouldn't be stopped, one of many reasons why police do not "aim for the leg".

Perhaps they should have used tazers (probably not batons). I do not know the situation.

However, when you do draw a gun, you are committed to using lethal force. Trained police do not shoot to wound. It is dangerous and unrealistic.


if it's the Toronto guy from earlier this year, he stole a car, attacked an old lady, tried to attack people in a store, broke into someone's house and stabbed them up, and then dual-wielded scissors and charged police while telling them someone was going to die when they arrived.

and yes shooting to disarm is VERY unrealistic.

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AlphaRayAllen
04/20/12 1:45:00 PM
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From: KingButz | #003
using the word "thug"seems pretty biased


It's Seph.

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GuessMyUserName
04/20/12 1:46:00 PM
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SephyG-izzle

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KingButz
04/20/12 1:46:00 PM
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I am in support of the police shooting to kill if they feel threatened. Anyone who threatens or attacks the police is an absolute moron anyway.

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CycloRaptor
04/20/12 1:48:00 PM
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-Trayvon was not simply walking around his neighborhood innocently; he is suspected of robbery and stolen jewelry throughout that year

are you literally suggesting that zimmerman was somehow aware some kid he saw walking around was a robbery suspect or that there was reason to believe that trayvon appeared to be doing something suspicious so as to suspect robbery?

because otherwise he was just walking around while black in a gated community.

Not sure why people need to take a side in this so bad, wait until the trial and see what evidence there is on both sides and not just media speculation.

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StifledSeagulls
04/20/12 1:50:00 PM
#31:


AlecTrevelyan006 posted...

The point being that the cops did not know that. And if he were on PCP, and they did manage to hit him in the leg, he wouldn't be stopped, one of many reasons why police do not "aim for the leg".

Perhaps they should have used tazers (probably not batons). I do not know the situation.

However, when you do draw a gun, you are committed to using lethal force. Trained police do not shoot to wound. It is dangerous and unrealistic.



The cops did know it. His parents were the ones that called the cops and went to his location to try and help him because he was going to try and kill himself. They told the cops what was going on with him and when they approached him, he got scared and charged them. Then they all shot to kill instead of trying another way.

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StifledSeagulls
04/20/12 1:51:00 PM
#32:


neonreaper posted...


if it's the Toronto guy from earlier this year, he stole a car, attacked an old lady, tried to attack people in a store, broke into someone's house and stabbed them up, and then dual-wielded scissors and charged police while telling them someone was going to die when they arrived.

and yes shooting to disarm is VERY unrealistic.



Nah not the Toronto guy. I live in Baltimore.

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Zachnorn
04/20/12 1:51:00 PM
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-George Zimmerman is not white

Yes, he is. He's a white Hispanic, and that's one one side; IIRC one of his parents isn't Hispanic at all. Hispanic is not a race, it's an ethnicity. Most people with a Hispanic ethnicity are considered white in terms of their race, but it's possible for there to be Hispanics that are black, Asian, etc.

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AlphaRayAllen
04/20/12 1:51:00 PM
#34:


From: Erugios | #017
I'm not even sure they needed to shoot him if he was just charging them with scizzors. They have batons, right?


Going into melee range with a man you're determined to put down regardless is really freaking stupid.

If you go after the police with any intent to harm them, you're going to get shot. They have no obligation to level the playing field and give you a fair chance.

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kevwaffles
04/20/12 1:52:00 PM
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I have to imagine it's the 911 call that really allowed this to spin out of control. Most "crimes" don't have the "suspect" calling 911 first. Without that I doubt we would have heard jack s*** about all of this, racial issues or not.

But yeah. While I still question why he would disregard instructions not to approach the man, I am starting to agree that this whole thing is ridiculous.

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TheRock1525
04/20/12 1:52:00 PM
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7/10 trolling

Ulti would have somehow tied this to fluoride in the water.

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Dark Young Link
04/20/12 2:03:00 PM
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SephG topic.

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Mershaaay
04/20/12 2:13:00 PM
#38:


TheRock1525 posted...
7/10 trolling

Ulti would have somehow tied this to fluoride in the water.


Literally did not misstate one fact in the OP

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Dark Young Link
04/20/12 2:22:00 PM
#39:


Mershaaay posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
7/10 trolling

Ulti would have somehow tied this to fluoride in the water.

Literally did not misstate one fact in the OP


Well it's not like you word is trustworthy or anything. You're kind of very hard to ever take seriously. Perhaps if you stopped acting like a strawman...

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Mershaaay
04/20/12 2:23:00 PM
#40:


Dark Young Link posted...
Mershaaay posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
7/10 trolling

Ulti would have somehow tied this to fluoride in the water.

Literally did not misstate one fact in the OP

Well it's not like you word is trustworthy or anything. You're kind of very hard to ever take seriously. Perhaps if you stopped acting like a strawman...


You are right. From now on I will not act like a strawman.

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WazzupGenius00
04/20/12 2:43:00 PM
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From: kevwaffles | #035
I have to imagine it's the 911 call that really allowed this to spin out of control. Most "crimes" don't have the "suspect" calling 911 first. Without that I doubt we would have heard jack s*** about all of this, racial issues or not.

But yeah. While I still question why he would disregard instructions not to approach the man, I am starting to agree that this whole thing is ridiculous.


we probably still would have based just on the fact that initial reports were that a man shot and killed an unarmed teenager after he was told not to approach him, and then wasn't arrested

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KingButz
04/20/12 2:59:00 PM
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He was arguing that had Zimmerman not called 911, we wouldn't have heard about this. If Zimmerman hadn't called 911, nobody would have told him not to approach the boy

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kevwaffles
04/20/12 5:04:00 PM
#43:


From: KingButz | #042
He was arguing that had Zimmerman not called 911, we wouldn't have heard about this. If Zimmerman hadn't called 911, nobody would have told him not to approach the boy


Correct. This is not the first time a killing using Florida's "stand your ground" law has ever happened, after all.

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04/20/12 5:06:00 PM
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foolm0ron
04/20/12 5:10:00 PM
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From: StifledSeagulls | #010
I'm so tired of this Trayvon crap because the media only cares because he was black.

My friend (white) got shot to death by four police officers because he came at them with a pair of scissors. They all shot to kill and not disarm. Yet there was no media outrage about it.


You know what they say, don't run with scissors in your hand or else you might slip and get shot up by 4 cops

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pjbasis
04/20/12 5:32:00 PM
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From: AlecTrevelyan006 | #014
While death at the hands of the police is a tragedy, there is no "shoot to disarm" in real life.


Clearly Vash the Stampede is part of this force.

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TimJab
04/20/12 5:35:00 PM
#47:


From: StifledSeagulls | #010
I'm so tired of this Trayvon crap because the media only cares because he was black.

My friend (white) got shot to death by four police officers because he came at them with a pair of scissors. They all shot to kill and not disarm. Yet there was no media outrage about it.


probably because that's what we're trained to do when somebody is trying to stab us

you really think they should have tried to shoot the gun out of his hand?

sorry to say dude, your friend deserved it

cop got stabbed in the ****ing head here the other day, not letting that **** happen to me

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TimJab
04/20/12 5:47:00 PM
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oh good, other people have already told the seagull guy that he's an idiot. sounds like he's stuck in the anger stage of grief.

From: AlphaRayAllen | #034
If you go after the police with any intent to harm them, you're going to get shot. They have no obligation to level the playing field and give you a fair chance.


not entirely true. firearms are used as a last resort and can only be used when the guy is threatening deadly physical force. we not gonna shoot an unarmed guy charging us and probably not even a guy charging with a baseball bat unless you're alone in the projects and he's bashing your ****ing skull in and you're going to die. scissors can kill you instantly head, so dude's definitely getting shot. and not "to disarm" because that's ridiculous, i'm not revolver ocelot. i'm shooting center mass, and in the words of ivan drago, if he dies, he dies.

here's the story on the cop that got stabbed in the head the other day. **** isn't happening to me.

http://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/5431385-NYPD-officer-stabbed-in-head/

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