Board 8 > Ugh, why is "The Avengers" doing so well?

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Metal_DK posted...

spiderman 1, 2, and 3 all sucked. All were cheesy garbage. Watch them again. They sucked. They might be tolerable when we were freshman in high school in 2002 or what not.


You were a Freshman for 5 years?

That's the problem here. You're clearly not very smart.

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lol good one

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Your wording just left that open for me :P



But I don't think your criticisms of Spiderman movies are fair. I mean, the Tim Burton Batman movies were cheesy as hell, and they're still great watches.

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The Burton Batman movies are a tribute to German Expressionism and feature a number of fantastic performances. The Spider-Man movies only operate on one level - the literal - and they don't even do that well.

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i mean the way i write my posts ill admit i come across maybe as "im right, dont question it". I don't use things like imo, as i think all those types of words do is weaken your stance and in general are just a waste of time.

Burton's batman movies are cheesy, but they nowhere near compare to the spidermans. Especially two and three.

Everyone can feel free to think what they want. I'm just a firm believer that the marvel super hero movie blow up that we've seen starting around x-men 1 has in general been a bunch of boring action movies with a lot of special effects.

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Icon Tang posted...
The Burton Batman movies are a tribute to German Expressionism and feature a number of fantastic performances. The Spider-Man movies only operate on one level - the literal - and they don't even do that well.

this is the first i've ever heard of Burton's Batman movies being a tribute to an aesthetic movement and i am very much interested in reading an argument for this statement

and for that opinion on the Spider-Man movies! (well, for 1 and 2 since 3 is definitely trash)

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Watch a few german films, the silent ones. You'll quickly notice what Icon's on about, though I wouldn't call the batman movies themselves as tribute, I would say there is a homage to them in the art direction etc.

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Metal_DK posted...
i mean the way i write my posts ill admit i come across maybe as "im right, dont question it". I don't use things like imo, as i think all those types of words do is weaken your stance and in general are just a waste of time.

Burton's batman movies are cheesy, but they nowhere near compare to the spidermans. Especially two and three.

Everyone can feel free to think what they want. I'm just a firm believer that the marvel super hero movie blow up that we've seen starting around x-men 1 has in general been a bunch of boring action movies with a lot of special effects.


I'm not completely disagreeing with you here. I thought Spiderman 2 was tolerable. But it and 3 are still eh, along with X3 and First class.

But I still really like what they're doing with the Avengers movies.

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The only things Burton's Batman has in common with the German expressionist film movement is the dirty, semi-cyberpunk art design like in Metropolis (I think it was that one). It's a pretty common thing. Blade Runner also copied it IIRC.

Also on Spider-man, I don't see them being cheesy as a bad thing. I mean...it's Spiderman. <_<

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It's more Returns than the first movie, which I haven't watched in ages. And it's more than just the art design - that's a glib, untrue dismissal. It's not just sharp angles and establishing Gotham as a prison, with a mostly grey palatte (unlike Blade Runner) and towers layered on top of each other. It's the extreme transformation of both Catwoman and The Penguin, with roots in Caligari. It's the relationship between Max Schrek (an allusion to Nosfatatu!) and The Penguin, which parallels the relationship between Caligari and Cesare. The extent of Burton's love for German Expressionism and liberal use of its themes and tropes in Batman is not a "pretty common thing"

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Bro, I have some bad news for you. Sequels aren't some new thing being perpetuated "by the system". Aren't there something like 13 Star Trek movies? A lot of them were made in the 60s through the 80s, just as one example. How many Rocky movies were there? Friday the 13th?

If a movie is good, go watch it. If a movie is not good, do not watch it, it's that simple. And if a movie is good enough to warrant a sequel, and that sequel is good?

Come on now, this isn't hard.

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I can't tell if Icon's making fun of besaidguy for his GREEK TRAGEDY nonsense years ago, or what.

Seriously, who is he parodying?

I'm not saying that anyone shouldn't go see any movie (assuming it's good that is.) I said myself that I plan on seeing it. I just wish that The Avengers wouldn't have the industrial effect that it probably will. It's not like I said I wanted it to bomb or anything (which people on this board wish for routinely without being psychoanalyzed), just disappoint the industry, none of which has any effect on whether people here will see it, or whether or not its good. I'm not against the movie, I'm against its effects. It's not like the financial success of the movie has any bearing on its quality, nor would I let it affect my enjoyment of the film.

go to a film festival, watch several engaging movies from a number of countries, then come back and tell us how Hollywood is ruining the film industry

I see contemporary movies from a wide variety of countries almost every weekend. I'm talking about American film (my favorite national cinema) which is in the worst straits its seen for a while. There have *always* been engaging movies from a number of countries. Now there's less from one of the major film producers (Hollywood.) That's going to bring down the average as a whole.

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I don't think that is true. The thing about any medium is that living in the present usually seems a bit worse than it actually is because it often takes time to appreciate hidden gems and to scour for them.

Avengers isn't the problem by the way, it is Transformers.

Avengers has been built up for nearly a decade with some good to great movies.

Tansformers is just trash with explosions shoved down our throat.

This topic should have been that movie series, not this one.

Mostly because the amount of time, effort, and money involved for Marvel can't be matched. Do you know why the Avengers is going to be amazing? Because marvel has built tremendous credibility with both the average movie goer as well as the critic.

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So you are saying that in the future films will pour a lot of money and quality into movies to build up to one amazingly huge movie.

And that it will be bad.

I don't think you understand how the Avengers initiative (heh heh) worked!

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I don't think that is true. The thing about any medium is that living in the present usually seems a bit worse than it actually is because it often takes time to appreciate hidden gems and to scour for them.

I wouldn't say that necessarily. I would consider this the Golden Age of Television for example (although not much from the 50's has been saved so it would be hard to compare even if I could), and video games are also at the top of their game as far as I know. I admittedly, have gotten out of gaming recently, so I'm just going by the impression that I get.

Avengers isn't the problem by the way, it is Transformers.

Avengers has been built up for nearly a decade with some good to great movies.

Tansformers is just trash with explosions shoved down our throat.

This topic should have been that movie series, not this one.


But why does a movie have to be bad to have a bad effect on the industry? Jaws, which is one of my favorite movies of all time, had a largely negative effect (in my opinion) in that it helped popularize the blockbuster mode of wide releasing films. Prior to this, films were released in various markets across the country little by little, and they largely relied on word of mouth (and thus quality) to spread. Now with wide releases, studios are more reliant on getting people in theater seats right away on opening weekend, and to do that before a movie has even been seen by the general public you can't rely on quality. This does nothing to effect my view of the film as a film, just my view of the film as an industrial object, two views which I separate when discussing the film in this way.

Being a good movie does not remove a film from its role in a certain system, nor does being a bad movie mean a film is more at fault for the system it's a part of

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i knew my extreme fascination with Batman Returns as a child was founded on something! i just didn't know it could be tied to an old art movement!

i wonder if i'll ever find time to watch classic German expressionist films

and honestly, Chris, you think regular Hollywood execs will actually see the amount of care and effort Marvel put into making this possible and not just demand more explosions, more fight scenes, and more CGI spread out to more cape movies of middling quality?

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i knew my extreme fascination with Batman Returns as a child was founded on something! i just didn't know it could be tied to an old art movement!

i wonder if i'll ever find time to watch classic German expressionist films

and honestly, Chris, you think regular Hollywood execs will actually see the amount of care and effort Marvel put into making this possible and not just demand more explosions, more fight scenes, and more CGI spread out to more cape movies of middling quality?

But then it will fail.

And they will lose money.

That's my point. The quality here is the reason for its success. <_<

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