Board 8 > and THIS is why you don't make your game Online-Only. (Diablo III)

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SeaworthyReally
05/15/12 8:44:00 PM
#1:


. Offline Single Player. Why did they remove it? "Wah wah DRM."

Lets be clear. Blizzard wanted to prevent a very small minority of people from playing their game illegally, so they've implemented a system to control it that inconveniences everyone else. And now it is blowing up in their face.

Suggestion: Players demand offline play. or Blizzard starts handing out refunds / partial refunds/ something (You can't just sell people a game that currently isn't playable). If some no name off brand company had this problem it isn't a big deal but they're Blizzard. Their motto about releases is "It will come out WHEN IT'S READY." Clearly the game is not ready.

Yes? no?

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SoulDynasty
05/15/12 8:46:00 PM
#2:


What they need to do is spend some of their ****ing cash they made off of WoW on some servers. Activision Blizzard is the biggest video game company in the world. There is no excuse for any server issues like this.

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Anagram
05/15/12 8:48:00 PM
#3:


They'll get it working consistently in like a month, and then people will forget about the horrible launch, and they'll implement online single-player for all of their future games, and people will defend it.

Count on it.

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MeteorExF
05/15/12 8:50:00 PM
#4:


Like Blizzard even knows what single player is anymore. Took one hell of a push to even get "offline mode" for Starcraft 2, and that has a bunch of stuff disabled.

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azuarc
05/15/12 8:52:00 PM
#5:


All I know is the game that I've been waiting 12 years to play is finally here, and I'm stuck with my thumb up my butt because of server problems. I only ever wanted to play single player -- that's all I ever did with D2! (Well, ok, I did a few IP connects, but those were directly to my friends.)
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Red Shifter
05/15/12 8:59:00 PM
#7:


Activision-Blizzard

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Phase
05/15/12 8:59:00 PM
#8:


Battle.net 0.2, etc. etc.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/15/12 9:04:00 PM
#9:


Why did Activision and Blizzard merge anyway? I don't pretend to understand business practices at all, but they both seemed to be having no troubles.

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Achromatic
05/15/12 9:05:00 PM
#10:


Welp, I guess it is time to defend this.

A game as popular as Diablo III is going to have these problems. It is so easy to be a prisoner of the moment on launch day and be "oh look at this my entertainment has been ruined!" Then just imagine D3's launch day was May 17th or 18th and go play something else for a couple of days. Game has been fun as hell so far and I understand why they made it online only, as a person who recalls hearing a lot about Diablo 2 being pirated.

But yeah if the only issue is the server problems that is going to be fixed soon, and I am curious to hear the sales numbers on Diablo because I bet it outsold Blizzard's expectations.

Note: The game seems ready to me, it is just their servers got completely overwhelmed. High amounts of polish on everything for me so far. .. When I can log in <_<.

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tereziWright
05/15/12 9:06:00 PM
#11:


The idea of online lag in a single player game is absurd to me.

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KokoroAkechi
05/15/12 9:07:00 PM
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I don't understand how companies constantly undershoot game expectations.

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RayDyn
05/15/12 9:07:00 PM
#13:


To be fair, it isn't entirely for piracy that they made it online only, it is also so people can't cheat to get items to sell in the real money auction house. However, I feel there is a better way to go about preventing that, just make anything collected offline ineligible for sale on the RMAH, they already made it so you can't use the stuff from the RMAH on hardcore characters, so it's not like they couldn't do it.

edit: And to go off what Chris said, this game has been incredibly fun when I have been able to play it.

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Xuxon
05/15/12 9:07:00 PM
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From: RayDyn | #011
To be fair, it isn't entirely for piracy that they made it online only, it is also so people can't cheat to get items to sell in the real money auction house.


That has nothing to do with it. RMAH obviously wouldn't work with single player or IP games (or open-bnet if they actually brought that back).
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MarvelousGerbil
05/15/12 9:15:00 PM
#15:


An easy solution would have been to make it so that on launch single player was available offline. If they were worried about it being pirated, implement online only in a future patch and make it clear on launch that this would eventually happen. Piraters could get a "free trial" for a couple weeks to a month, you'd keep your customer base a lot more happy because it gives them a way to play in case things go awry as they have.

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foolm0ron
05/15/12 9:19:00 PM
#17:


Why do people think D3 is online only as a DRM measure?
Do you think WoW is online only as a DRM measure?

D2 had offline single player, but no one played it because there was no reason to. The game is all about online play, for the economy alone.

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Silvercross
05/15/12 9:19:00 PM
#18:


Can we stop calling this game a single player game already?

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Phase
05/15/12 9:19:00 PM
#19:


Achromatic posted...
.. When I can log in <_<.

I'd call that core functionality <_<. That's not even mentioning that SC2 login (and I presume WoW) was broken this morning because of D3. That's day -50 functionality.

At least we can watch Day[9] play D3. http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv

And by "D3" I mean "Text Twist".

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Ayuyu
05/15/12 9:20:00 PM
#20:


The only reason I played Diablo 2 online was because I wanted access to all runewords and sets, I hate playing these kind of games with other people because when in a group I can't play the way I want to.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
05/15/12 9:22:00 PM
#21:


Online only is and has always been stupid.

I don't really care though since I just want to play. Game has the mayhem I love Diablo for,
and I get to play as Bald Dos Equis Kenshiro

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Achromatic
05/15/12 9:24:00 PM
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From: Phase | #019
Achromatic posted...
.. When I can log in <_<.

I'd call that core functionality <_<. That's not even mentioning that SC2 login (and I presume WoW) was broken this morning because of D3. That's day -50 functionality.

At least we can watch Day[9] play D3. http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv

And by "D3" I mean "Text Twist".






Shrug, I've been playing Blizzard games for years. Their day ones are usually rough. No surprises here for me, because day 1 of 1000 makes it a drop in the bucket. I am not happy or anything, but it isn't the end of the world.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/15/12 9:25:00 PM
#23:


From: Silvercross | #018
Can we stop calling this game a single player game already?


Why? It's perfectly playable on your own.

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GANON1025
05/15/12 9:26:00 PM
#24:


Always online is fine. Maybe go outside for a little bit instead of whining about it on a message board.

heh

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Shoenin_Kakashi
05/15/12 9:27:00 PM
#25:


Knowing Blizzard, they'll prolly give something to people ingame.

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Ayuyu
05/15/12 9:27:00 PM
#26:


It's much better on your own.

Everything is yours! All da loot.

Also Diablo 2 had that cheat to put the enemies as strong as if the game was full.

That was good.

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Ayuyu
05/15/12 9:27:00 PM
#27:


From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #026
Knowing Blizzard, they'll prolly give something to people ingame.


Or free game time!

That'd be hilarious.

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Silvercross
05/15/12 9:28:00 PM
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MarvelousGerbil posted...
From: Silvercross | #018
Can we stop calling this game a single player game already?
Why? It's perfectly playable on your own.


So that's the definition of a single player game now?

I can't believe Blizzard is charging a monthly fee for WoW. It's perfectly playable on my own!

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MarvelousGerbil
05/15/12 9:28:00 PM
#29:


From: GANON1025 | #024
Always online is fine. Maybe go outside for a little bit instead of whining about it on a message board.

heh


Sure, I'll go play outside at midnight.

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KokoroAkechi
05/15/12 9:29:00 PM
#30:


Always online is only fine when 100% of the primary market areas have access to cable.

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Ayuyu
05/15/12 9:29:00 PM
#31:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #029
Sure, I'll go play outside at midnight.


Night time is the best time to be outside tbqh.

All those people happy when it's sunny disgust me, uncomfortable as ****.

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GANON1025
05/15/12 9:29:00 PM
#32:


I "play outside" at midnight sometimes

if you know what I mean

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GANON1025
05/15/12 9:30:00 PM
#33:


I mean I have sex

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Shoenin_Kakashi
05/15/12 9:30:00 PM
#34:


From: GANON1025 | #024
Always online is fine. Maybe go outside for a little bit instead of whining about it on a message board.

heh




I did. Walked the dog, got a check, cashed in a bunch of em, good times.
Game went up, but I decided to nap a bit because Ive been up since 5pm yesterday.
Come back, certain stupidity here, and the game is down.


I just summarized my day in 3 sentences. I am that boring of a person.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/15/12 9:30:00 PM
#35:


From: Silvercross | #028
So that's the definition of a single player game now?

I can't believe Blizzard is charging a monthly fee for WoW. It's perfectly playable on my own!


It is, but you can't solo all the content on your own. Go ahead and try to solo raid content or even an at level dungeon.

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Achromatic
05/15/12 9:33:00 PM
#36:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #035
It is, but you can't solo all the content on your own. Go ahead and try to solo raid content or even an at level dungeon.




Solo'ing Inferno is going to leave a lot of people in tears. I know they balanced it so it is possible, but good luck to everyone.

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Ayuyu
05/15/12 9:34:00 PM
#37:


If it's anything like the other ARPG it's all gonna be about kiting monsters.

ARPGs monster can't do anything against kiting most of the time.

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Achromatic
05/15/12 9:36:00 PM
#38:


From: Ayuyu | #037
If it's anything like the other ARPG it's all gonna be about kiting monsters.

ARPGs monster can't do anything against kiting most of the time.


I am not done with Act I and I've already seen 2-3 teleporting monsters <_<

Also if WoW has shown me anything it is that Blizzard is not amused by kiting tactics. They punish kiting a lot.

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Ayuyu
05/15/12 9:37:00 PM
#39:


Unless they teleport all the time without cooldown it's not a real help.

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Achromatic
05/15/12 9:38:00 PM
#40:


We'll see. I mean I am sure kiting is viable to an extent (it has to be, it is part of the genre and good placement is only fair) but I don't think kiting alone is going to work.

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KokoroAkechi
05/15/12 9:40:00 PM
#41:


Blizzard is pretty smart. They won't let you kite monsters they don't intend to be kitable.

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Liquid Wind
05/15/12 9:41:00 PM
#42:


blizzard has been a terrible company since being acquired by activision?

I hate to say 'I told you so' but-

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Ayuyu
05/15/12 9:42:00 PM
#43:


From: KokoroAkechi | #041
Blizzard is pretty smart. They won't let you kite monsters they don't intend to be kitable.


But then they won't make those monsters able to kill everything easily, it wouldn't be balanced.

So Kiting will still be the way to go.

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Achromatic
05/15/12 9:45:00 PM
#44:


From: Ayuyu | #043
But then they won't make those monsters able to kill everything easily, it wouldn't be balanced.

So Kiting will still be the way to go.


I don't think you've read up on the process that went into Inferno difficulty if you are looking for balanced.

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Whiskey_Nick
05/15/12 9:45:00 PM
#45:


Why are people shocked that day 1 for on online game is going poorly?

Every relatively popular MMO ever has had this problem.

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Ayuyu
05/15/12 9:46:00 PM
#46:


Only thing I know about inferno is that monsters don't seem to gain any new skills.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
05/15/12 9:47:00 PM
#47:


You can kite easily in this game <_<

Course they have monsters that are specifically design to middle finger kiting. Those Vortex guys are hilarious.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
05/15/12 9:47:00 PM
#48:


From: Whiskey_Nick | #045
Why are people shocked that day 1 for on online game is going poorly?

Every relatively popular MMO ever has had this problem.


Bingo. Its why im like "whatever" on the whole subject matter,

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Achromatic
05/15/12 9:47:00 PM
#49:


From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #047
You can kite easily in this game <_<

Course they have monsters that are specifically design to middle finger kiting. Those Vortex guys are hilarious.


Kakashi, normal.

The AI improves on later difficulty.

I mean maybe it is still easy to kite later but the Blizzard developers evil laughter scared me.

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KokoroAkechi
05/15/12 9:48:00 PM
#50:


I care more because I cant even play the game when the servers are up

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