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It has all been to drop cap.

As I said, watch them sign Suter and Parise on July 1

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Well they don't have space to sign both. In fact, I doubt they sign either. Suter said he wants to stay in the West (my bet is on Minny) and I think Parise resigns with the Devils.

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They can't afford long term deals with both Suter and Parise.

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I'm always in favour of putting the Avs at a disadvantage.

The Avs would easily match any offer by any team. They are millions below the salary floor right now, and it doesn't look like they're interested in signing free agents. They will give big salaries to each player just to make the cap floor and will probably stay there for the rest of the year.

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Oates coaching the Caps now.

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From: Whiskey_Nick | #053

They have nearly 15 million in cap space ... if they can convince both too take less money to make a dream team they might have a shot.

This won't happen.

I would much rather have Suter, but I like Parise a lot too.

Really doubt we get either of them, honestly. But Shero is a freaking boss so I wouldn't put anything past him.

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They have nearly 15 million in cap space ... if they can convince both too take less money to make a dream team they might have a shot.

Of course I am also hearing Minnesota will toss more money at Parise than anyone else.

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Bure was just inducted to the HOF. Some other lesser players were, too, but Bure!


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Surprised Sundin got in before Shanny.

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Sick class this year, of course with Burnaby Joe leading the way!

Surprised Shanahan was skipped. Thought for sure he was getting in. Who is eligible next year?

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Awesome, was really hoping Oates and Bure would make it in.

Surprised Sundin beat out Shanahan.

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Hell of a day for Adam Oates.

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I'm glad to see Adam Oates finally make it in, he was getting snubbed for too many years.

And same thoughts as everyone else on Sundin/Shanahan. Crazy voters must be Toronto-biased.

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SoulDynasty posted...

Who is eligible next year?

Some bigger names that finished up in 2010:
Rob Blake
Scott Niedermayer
Rob Brind'amour
Owen Nolan
Bill Guerin
Paul Kariya
Keith Tkachuk
Chris Chelios

Obviously not all hall worthy, but there's definitely some that'll give guys who've been waiting a while even more competition.

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Rob Blake
Scott Niedermayer
Rob Brind'amour
Owen Nolan
Bill Guerin
Paul Kariya
Keith Tkachuk
Chris Chelios

Hmm. Out of this group, I think only Niedermayer and maybe Chelios are first ballot HoFers. I'm hoping Andreychuk gets in next year as well. Shanahan should be the fourth for sure.

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Bure in the HHOF? I can die happy.

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Bure over Shanny? Really?

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Apparently Doan will test the free agent market.

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For some reason I find Bure in the HOF a bit weird. I get that he's an immense talent and his stats per game are good too (though it's always easier to have good stats per game if you don't play well past your prime), but... I dunno, I can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's because he only went to the playoffs five times, ever, and he was on those late 90's Canucks teams which had a lot of talent but failed miserably.

Very glad Adam Oates got in. Obviously Sakic was the class of this year, but of the eligible guys, I think Oates impressed me the second most. He was just an incredibly gifted passer, and that's an ability I think a lot of hockey followers underrate due to goals being flashier.

Unlike most of the reaction I've seen, I actually consider Sundin vs. Shanahan a tossup, but maybe that's just years and years of Toronto-biased CBC coverage subtly brainwashing me! More seriously, though, I think one difference is that Sundin was "the guy" in Toronto. Shanahan was rarely ever "the guy" anywhere... the one who faced the most pressure or was keyed in on by opposing the checkers. Now there's not necessarily any shame in that (Ron Francis was that on the 90's Penguins after all, and he's one of the all-time greats), but I bet it's a reason as to why Sundin got in despite inferior numbers and arguably a less complete game.

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Maybe it's because he only went to the playoffs five times, ever, and he was on those late 90's Canucks teams which had a lot of talent but failed miserably.

No he wasn't. He got traded to the Panthers when the Canucks were still hanging out near the bottom of the league. It wasn't until after he was on Florida that the Canucks started getting better.

edit - Unless you meant them being at the bottom of the standings was them failing miserably. I was thinking you were talking about those Bertuzzi/Morrison/Naslund Canucks that did well in the season but terrible in the playoffs.

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Sundin got in because of Toronto-based bias and that is it.

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From: TheKnightOfNee | #071

No he wasn't. He got traded to the Panthers when the Canucks were still hanging out near the bottom of the league. It wasn't until after he was on Florida that the Canucks started getting better.

He mistakenly said late instead of mid, but his point still stands. Bure, Linden, Messier, Mogilny, Lumme, McLean - lot of talent and it quickly went to hell.

Wideman to Calgary. $5.25 cap hit over 5 years. Jeez. I was thinking $4 and a bottom pairing guy on an elite team.


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That's a lot of money for Wideman...

Wonder if Calgary is finally able to move Bouwmeester?

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edit - Unless you meant them being at the bottom of the standings was them failing miserably

That is indeed what I meant. Being near the bottom of the league despite having such a high payroll as the late 90's Canucks = failing miserably.

I'm not mistaken by the way, it is indeed the late 90's I was talking about. 1997-2000 was their playoff drought.

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But we didn't have a lot of talent in the late 90's, and our payroll was under the league average in the years you're talking about.


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Quick gets a 10 year contract extension. Rask gets a 1 year deal for 3.5.

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And Hal Gill gets a 2-year, $4M contract with the Preds.

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Also Crosby's sticking with the $8.7M average... for 12 more years.

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Wrong defenceman, Nashville!

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So it must be time to ditch Bernier, eh? Get someone young for him and pick up Biron or another seasoned backup instead.

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It was time to ditch Bernier about two years ago, when his value would have been a lot higher.

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Also, at 5.8 million per year, does this mean Quick is making less than Price?

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Next year the HOF should be, imo

Niedermayer
Andreychuk
Lindros
Shanahan
PAT BURNS

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burns definitely needs to get in. I don't pay enough attention to which players are still on the ballet to comment on the rest of that list though

According to Gillis, Schneider has been re-signed, and this gif surfaced earlier:


good day, i think.


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From: SmartMuffin | #083

Also, at 5.8 million per year, does this mean Quick is making less than Price?

Well Price is an RFA at the moment so technically he isn't making anything right now! He was getting paid 2.2 mil on his last deal though.

And Quick isn't getting $5.8 per. He's likely getting $7 mil+ for the majority of the contract and then peanuts for the last few years to bring the cap hit down to $5.8. It's one of those deals.

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Meh, I don't bother with that crap. Whenever I think of how much someone is making, I just divide the total amount by the years (which is 5.8 for Quick).

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As icon said, Schneider signed a 3 year/12 million deal. Bye Bye Luongo.

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Price is gonna get 6 years at 36-40 million would be my guess

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I personally think ALL of those 8/10/12 year deals are incredibly stupid and every single one of them will come back to haunt the teams that gave them out. We've already seen it with guys like Luongo, DiPietro, Bryz, etc. Those long contracts are just way too risky and not worth the slightly lower cap hit.

Price is rumoured to be signing a 5-6 year deal at around or slightly over $6 mil per. Much safer contract in my opinion.

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I would say that, barring some type of new buyout option in the next CBA, those deals CERTAINLY have much more risk than reward.

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Can't believe Shanahan didn't get in. Guy has to be one of the top what, 40 players of all time?

I bet if he wasn't the minister of gonzo punishments, he would have been in

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probably already mentioned if true, but did Criesby get a 100 million dollar contract for 12 years?

Holy ****.

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From: rammtay | #093

probably already mentioned if true, but did Criesby get a 100 million dollar contract for 12 years?

Holy ****.

Yep.

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Wow. He'll proably pull a Gretzky and get traded to a team that needs more fans after he wins a couple more cups. He saved Pittsburgh, maybe he can save Dallas.

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There are people who care about the Stars?

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exactly. No one cared about the pens before Crosby showed up. Now they're one of the most popular teams in the league. I think he'll get traded to Dallas to save that sorry team, just not in the near future.

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And no one cared about the Caps before Ovechkin

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That's true as well.

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Every generation, a couple of teams get lucky with players that transcend the game.

And some teams like the Rangers don't even need them.


Though really this happens in a lot of sports. Its just more noticeable in hockey

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