Board 8 > China lifts ban on lesbians donating blood, keeps gay men ban on same thing.

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SmartMuffin 07/06/12 6:46:00 PM #51:	I can't believe the majority of B8ers are actually defending this. Did everyone loan their accounts to SmartMuffin and MWC for the day? If we let gay people give blood, what's next? Letting animals give blood? Letting four people give blood in a single baggie? WHERE DOES IT END??? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:1300798] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> I can't believe the majority of B8ers are actually defending this. Did everyone loan their accounts to SmartMuffin and MWC for the day?If we let gay people give blood, what's next? Letting animals give blood? Letting four people give blood in a single baggie? WHERE DOES IT END??? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/06/12 6:46:00 PM #52:	masterplum posted... Gay men have higher HIV rates then the general population Fair Next False. -- Joyrock Fresh from my first justified ban. Ever! <cite>OctilIery posted [p:1300799] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> <cite>masterplum posted...</cite><quote>Gay men have higher HIV rates then the general populationFair Next</quote>False. -- JoyrockFresh from my first justified ban. Ever! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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neonreap 07/06/12 6:57:00 PM #54:	From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer \| #049 From: Paratroopa1 \| #037 And I'm sort of tired of having to subscribe to a specific set of ideals because I'm homosexual, thanks. From: KingButz \| #035 Mer, just because both para and you are gay doesn't mean you have to have the same thoughts on everything gay-related. Let him have some individuality for crying out loud Oh, please. Para should have the self-respect and the common sense to recognize this for the blatantly homophobic policy it is. Defending this is like being against gay marriage. I can't believe the majority of B8ers are actually defending this. Did everyone loan their accounts to SmartMuffin and MWC for the day? how is it homophobic if it allows gay people to donate blood? -- to measure the meaning can make you delay it's time you stopped thinking and wasting the day <cite>neonreap posted [p:1300801] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> <cite>From: Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer \| #049</cite><quote><cite>From: Paratroopa1 \| #037</cite><quote>And I'm sort of tired of having to subscribe to a specific set of ideals because I'm homosexual, thanks.</quote><cite>From: KingButz \| #035</cite><quote>Mer, just because both para and you are gay doesn't mean you have to have the same thoughts on everything gay-related.Let him have some individuality for crying out loud</quote>Oh, please. Para should have the self-respect and the common sense to recognize this for the blatantly homophobic policy it is. Defending this is like being against gay marriage.I can't believe the majority of B8ers are actually defending this. Did everyone loan their accounts to SmartMuffin and MWC for the day?</quote>how is it homophobic if it allows gay people to donate blood? -- to measure the meaning can make you delayit's time you stopped thinking and wasting the day </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreap 07/06/12 7:03:00 PM #55:	From: OctilIery \| #052 masterplum posted... Gay men have higher HIV rates then the general population Fair Next False. 50% of AIDS cases come from 4% of the population, including 60% of new infections. Would you say that 4% has a higher rate than the other 96%? -- to measure the meaning can make you delay it's time you stopped thinking and wasting the day <cite>neonreap posted [p:1300802] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> <cite>From: OctilIery \| #052</cite><quote><cite>masterplum posted...</cite><quote>Gay men have higher HIV rates then the general populationFair Next</quote>False.</quote>50% of AIDS cases come from 4% of the population, including 60% of new infections. Would you say that 4% has a higher rate than the other 96%? -- to measure the meaning can make you delayit's time you stopped thinking and wasting the day </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SmartMuffin 07/06/12 7:07:00 PM #57:	Mer is one of those guys who throws out provocative and often incorrect labels to everyone who has the slightest disagreement with him on any single position. I HATE people who do that! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:1300804] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> Mer is one of those guys who throws out provocative and often incorrect labels to everyone who has the slightest disagreement with him on any single position.I HATE people who do that! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/06/12 7:08:00 PM #58:	neonreap posted... From: OctilIery \| #052 masterplum posted... Gay men have higher HIV rates then the general population Fair Next False. 50% of AIDS cases come from 4% of the population, including 60% of new infections. Would you say that 4% has a higher rate than the other 96%? Source? -- Joyrock Fresh from my first justified ban. Ever! <cite>OctilIery posted [p:1300805] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> <cite>neonreap posted...</cite><quote><cite>From: OctilIery \| #052</cite><quote><cite>masterplum posted...</cite><quote>Gay men have higher HIV rates then the general populationFair Next</quote>False.</quote>50% of AIDS cases come from 4% of the population, including 60% of new infections. Would you say that 4% has a higher rate than the other 96%?</quote>Source? -- JoyrockFresh from my first justified ban. Ever! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/12 7:09:00 PM #59:	one action is the limitations held by the red cross and other groups who draw blood, actions that cover a variety of reasons and all under the pretense of safety to those who would receive it. in other words, a safety concern to the third party who would receive the blood, a real, tangible risk of unquestionable harm that's both physical and mental to not just the patient, but to society as a whole as if we can't trust the blood we can't offer transfusions with confidence. for these reasons there are limitations which also include people coming from certain countries, not to suggest that everyone who goes to them has HIV, but that there is a notably higher risk and correlation between that country and the number of people with HIV or other diseases. thus, they limit that. a different limitation involves a group of people who commit an action that carries a high risk of HIV, and to complete the correlation said group has a notably higher count of HIV people in it, tying the two together. thus, they limit it. that is the same as defending an action that two consenting adults make that does not harm anyone. arguments of society can be made from both sides due to a difference of opinion, not a matter of a failure to an institution (though some like to make the argument, it's failed enough that no reasonable standard would agree with it) but the two individual parties do not directly involve anyone else save for a legal official to complete a contract (marriage). those two actions, an individual putting a third party at harm and could cause an enormous problem in our medicine-driven society vs. two consenting adults committing a legally binding contract that does not harm anyone, are enough of the same that the defense of one is the same as the argument against the other. so for all intents and purposes, they are "the same." i see. fact is, the former's a matter of old wording from an older time. back when HIV/AIDS broke out people were scared. a new and unknown virus that's deadly and passes through blood. sexual contact, especially anal sex, proved higher risks than normal and the gay community got a rap for it. so instead of trying to be sensitive or politically correct, places who receive blood simply banned the large group to fix the problem. which is 100% the right call to make because the most important thing is that those who receive blood are safe. now, things have changed. we know more about HIV/AIDS. the gay community has become bigger and more responsive, though the rates are still notably higher than in the general populace. should there be some changes to policy? sure, but only in a way that meets the necessary level to assure the safety of those who receive blood. you argue science with science, not politics. -- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:1300806] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> one action is the limitations held by the red cross and other groups who draw blood, actions that cover a variety of reasons and all under the pretense of safety to those who would receive it. in other words, a safety concern to the third party who would receive the blood, a real, tangible risk of unquestionable harm that's both physical and mental to not just the patient, but to society as a whole as if we can't trust the blood we can't offer transfusions with confidence. for these reasons there are limitations which also include people coming from certain countries, not to suggest that everyone who goes to them has HIV, but that there is a notably higher risk and correlation between that country and the number of people with HIV or other diseases. thus, they limit that. a different limitation involves a group of people who commit an action that carries a high risk of HIV, and to complete the correlation said group has a notably higher count of HIV people in it, tying the two together. thus, they limit it. that is the same as defending an action that two consenting adults make that does not harm anyone. arguments of society can be made from both sides due to a difference of opinion, not a matter of a failure to an institution (though some like to make the argument, it's failed enough that no reasonable standard would agree with it) but the two individual parties do not directly involve anyone else save for a legal official to complete a contract (marriage). those two actions, an individual putting a third party at harm and could cause an enormous problem in our medicine-driven society vs. two consenting adults committing a legally binding contract that does not harm anyone, are enough of the same that the defense of one is the same as the argument against the other. so for all intents and purposes, they are "the same." i see. fact is, the former's a matter of old wording from an older time. back when HIV/AIDS broke out people were scared. a new and unknown virus that's deadly and passes through blood. sexual contact, especially anal sex, proved higher risks than normal and the gay community got a rap for it. so instead of trying to be sensitive or politically correct, places who receive blood simply banned the large group to fix the problem. which is 100% the right call to make because the most important thing is that those who receive blood are safe. now, things have changed. we know more about HIV/AIDS. the gay community has become bigger and more responsive, though the rates are still notably higher than in the general populace. should there be some changes to policy? sure, but only in a way that meets the necessary level to assure the safety of those who receive blood. you argue science with science, not politics. -- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. </quote> ... 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CycloRaptor 07/06/12 7:15:00 PM #60:	the reason the policy seems homophobic is that it came about during AIDs hysteria when people thought it was a gay disease and the policy does not include those who engage in risky sex outside of gay people AND they test the blood anyway AND you can't even get an exemption if you have recently tested negative and not engaged in sexual activity with new partners since then. essentially it is "its just easier to ban gay people than be fair because who cares" not sure how it is hard to understand how that might tick off some people. not really an issue that matters to me though because I can't even give blood anyway because of medication. -- http://img.imgcake.com/newaccountjpget.jpg <cite>CycloRaptor posted [p:1300807] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> the reason the policy seems homophobic is that it came about during AIDs hysteria when people thought it was a gay disease and the policy does not include those who engage in risky sex outside of gay people AND they test the blood anyway AND you can't even get an exemption if you have recently tested negative and not engaged in sexual activity with new partners since then. essentially it is "its just easier to ban gay people than be fair because who cares" not sure how it is hard to understand how that might tick off some people. not really an issue that matters to me though because I can't even give blood anyway because of medication. -- http://img.imgcake.com/newaccountjpget.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreap 07/06/12 7:25:00 PM #61:	From: OctilIery \| #058 neonreap posted... From: OctilIery \| #052 False. 50% of AIDS cases come from 4% of the population, including 60% of new infections. Would you say that 4% has a higher rate than the other 96%? Source? the cdc it'll probably be the first google link you see what is your source? -- to measure the meaning can make you delay it's time you stopped thinking and wasting the day <cite>neonreap posted [p:1300808] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> <cite>From: OctilIery \| #058</cite><quote><cite>neonreap posted...</cite><quote><cite>From: OctilIery \| #052</cite><quote>False.</quote>50% of AIDS cases come from 4% of the population, including 60% of new infections. Would you say that 4% has a higher rate than the other 96%?</quote>Source?</quote>the cdcit'll probably be the first google link you seewhat is your source? -- to measure the meaning can make you delayit's time you stopped thinking and wasting the day </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreap 07/06/12 7:38:00 PM #62:	From: CycloRaptor \| #060 the reason the policy seems homophobic is that it came about during AIDs hysteria when people thought it was a gay disease and the policy does not include those who engage in risky sex outside of gay people AND they test the blood anyway AND you can't even get an exemption if you have recently tested negative and not engaged in sexual activity with new partners since then. essentially it is "its just easier to ban gay people than be fair because who cares" not sure how it is hard to understand how that might tick off some people. not really an issue that matters to me though because I can't even give blood anyway because of medication. people should be replaced with men, and I think it changes the nature of the ban. in America the same restrictions apply to straight men who had sex with straight females from certain countries. they just look at the numbers and say, it's not worth the risk. -- to measure the meaning can make you delay it's time you stopped thinking and wasting the day <cite>neonreap posted [p:1300809] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> <cite>From: CycloRaptor \| #060</cite><quote>the reason the policy seems homophobic is that it came about during AIDs hysteria when people thought it was a gay disease and the policy does not include those who engage in risky sex outside of gay people AND they test the blood anyway AND you can't even get an exemption if you have recently tested negative and not engaged in sexual activity with new partners since then. essentially it is "its just easier to ban gay people than be fair because who cares" not sure how it is hard to understand how that might tick off some people. not really an issue that matters to me though because I can't even give blood anyway because of medication.</quote>people should be replaced with men, and I think it changes the nature of the ban. in America the same restrictions apply to straight men who had sex with straight females from certain countries. they just look at the numbers and say, it's not worth the risk. -- to measure the meaning can make you delayit's time you stopped thinking and wasting the day </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 07/06/12 7:46:00 PM #63:	From: neonreap \| #061 the cdc it'll probably be the first google link you see what is your source? Silly neon. Leftists don't have to provide sources! Only people who disagree with them! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:1300810] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> <cite>From: neonreap \| #061</cite><quote>the cdcit'll probably be the first google link you seewhat is your source?</quote>Silly neon. Leftists don't have to provide sources! Only people who disagree with them! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CycloRaptor 07/06/12 7:46:00 PM #64:	I understand that and I don't think the policy is ridiculous, I just think it is really easy to see why some people get upset about it because they feel like it singles them out. -- http://img.imgcake.com/newaccountjpget.jpg <cite>CycloRaptor posted [p:1300811] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> I understand that and I don't think the policy is ridiculous, I just think it is really easy to see why some people get upset about it because they feel like it singles them out. -- http://img.imgcake.com/newaccountjpget.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 07/06/12 7:51:00 PM #65:	Well, they also ban prostitutes (and johns) from donating. And yet, Jakyl and Ryoko aren't in here pitching a fit! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:1300812] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> Well, they also ban prostitutes (and johns) from donating. And yet, Jakyl and Ryoko aren't in here pitching a fit! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/06/12 7:57:00 PM #66:	I wanna see Mer make a topic rating people on how gay they're allowed to be based on what he personally thinks of them. -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://i33.tinypic.com/2v1sq51.jpg <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:1300813] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> I wanna see Mer make a topic rating people on how gay they're allowed to be based on what he personally thinks of them. -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://i33.tinypic.com/2v1sq51.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/12 8:06:00 PM #67:	well yeah, it's easy to understand where the frustrations and complaints would lie. but to equate it to gay marriage and suggest that they're effectively the same for argument's sake just plain deserved to get called out and trampled on for being so wrong. -- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:1300814] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> well yeah, it's easy to understand where the frustrations and complaints would lie. but to equate it to gay marriage and suggest that they're effectively the same for argument's sake just plain deserved to get called out and trampled on for being so wrong. -- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/06/12 9:44:00 PM #68:	SmartMuffin posted... From: neonreap \| #061 the cdc it'll probably be the first google link you see what is your source? Silly neon. Leftists don't have to provide sources! Only people who disagree with them! That's a nice link. -- Joyrock Fresh from my first justified ban. Ever! <cite>OctilIery posted [p:1300815] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> <cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite><quote><cite>From: neonreap \| #061</cite><quote>the cdcit'll probably be the first google link you seewhat is your source?</quote>Silly neon. Leftists don't have to provide sources! Only people who disagree with them!</quote>That's a nice link. -- JoyrockFresh from my first justified ban. Ever! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Un_Flugel 07/06/12 10:13:00 PM #69:	OctilIery posted... SmartMuffin posted... From: neonreap \| #061 the cdc it'll probably be the first google link you see what is your source? Silly neon. Leftists don't have to provide sources! Only people who disagree with them! That's a nice link. http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/fastfacts-msm-final508comp.pdf This is what I got when I Google'd -- http://i.imgur.com/goKCF.gif http://i.imgur.com/2NfZH.png <cite>Un_Flugel posted [p:1300816] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> <cite>OctilIery posted...</cite><quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite><quote><cite>From: neonreap \| #061</cite><quote>the cdcit'll probably be the first google link you seewhat is your source?</quote>Silly neon. Leftists don't have to provide sources! Only people who disagree with them!</quote>That's a nice link.</quote>http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/fastfacts-msm-final508comp.pdfThis is what I got when I Google'd -- http://i.imgur.com/goKCF.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/2NfZH.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bospsychopaat 07/07/12 9:20:00 AM #70:	CycloRaptor posted... the reason the policy seems homophobic is that it came about during AIDs hysteria when people thought it was a gay disease and the policy does not include those who engage in risky sex outside of gay people AND they test the blood anyway AND you can't even get an exemption if you have recently tested negative and not engaged in sexual activity with new partners since then. essentially it is "its just easier to ban gay people than be fair because who cares" not sure how it is hard to understand how that might tick off some people. not really an issue that matters to me though because I can't even give blood anyway because of medication. While I think the lack of exemptions if you got tested (including the incubation period and whatnot) raises a good point, other people who engage in risky sexual activities are banned from donating. At least, they're here. I think it's 3 months if you had a new sexual partner, and that's with using a condom. I don't know how long it takes, or what the nature of the ban is, if you didn't use one. -- I'm but a simple companion in the pack of gurus whereof SuperNiceDog is the pack leader! <cite>bospsychopaat posted [p:1300817] in China lift... [t:63327401]...</cite> <quote> <cite>CycloRaptor posted...</cite><quote>the reason the policy seems homophobic is that it came about during AIDs hysteria when people thought it was a gay disease and the policy does not include those who engage in risky sex outside of gay people AND they test the blood anyway AND you can't even get an exemption if you have recently tested negative and not engaged in sexual activity with new partners since then. essentially it is "its just easier to ban gay people than be fair because who cares" not sure how it is hard to understand how that might tick off some people. not really an issue that matters to me though because I can't even give blood anyway because of medication.</quote>While I think the lack of exemptions if you got tested (including the incubation period and whatnot) raises a good point, other people who engage in risky sexual activities are banned from donating. At least, they're here. I think it's 3 months if you had a new sexual partner, and that's with using a condom. I don't know how long it takes, or what the nature of the ban is, if you didn't use one. -- I'm but a simple companion in the pack of gurus whereof SuperNiceDog is the pack leader! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Board 8 > China lifts ban on lesbians donating blood, keeps gay men ban on same thing. (+) Yeah! (+)

Board 8 > China lifts ban on lesbians donating blood, keeps gay men ban on same thing.