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magpie1862
05/27/17 5:38:40 AM
#252:


double_oh posted...
Yura, you say?






Your gif misses the great part of her in the pool.
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paerarru
05/28/17 3:08:30 AM
#253:


Not gonna argue with that.

Compsognathus posted...
China is supposed to say Chunga.

Haha, I was like poor Pinky's had her name conveniently reduced to country of origin. xD

Unnies is ending. :( Then again it's not like there's a shortage of stuff to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ0dIzIQI40

Turtle? That crane stance.

Also man it pains me to see Boom ageing. Funny how Soogeun looks the same?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKqgBQFxrPg

How come fan videos have better quality than studio videos??

2TZBW7J
Secret Variety Training, this is the funniest crap I've watched in a while but warning it's also pretty boring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pEjXr3k6zo

Twai-zi, I can't believe Twai-zi is winning shows, like you can't believe something you already knew would happen.

But also I love that game, that's my favorite game they play, that and the tones game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LvXoKWq2mk

I know there's still a lot of gugudan I haven't watched out there but by golly I'll hunt them all down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIxz6x38Gj8


Oh yeah might as well, been meaning to post gamer Sohye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px9R28bbxWo

<3 <3 <3 I'm hooked.
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Rob Cesternino
05/29/17 2:59:49 PM
#254:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YdEEDdxIWg


April - MAYDAY
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Rob Cesternino
05/31/17 1:58:23 AM
#255:


http://www.allkpop.com/article/2017/05/crayon-pop-announces-soyuls-departure-from-the-group

No not Soyul!!

I don't care if she just had a baby! I don't want Crayon Pop to disband!
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Rob Cesternino
05/31/17 5:03:13 AM
#256:


http://www.allkpop.com/article/2017/05/uee-confirms-departure-from-after-school-pledis-entertainment-1496212359

And now UEE is leaving After School. WHAT TF

But at least After School is not disbanding. There's still hope...
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GameofWheels
05/31/17 6:13:41 AM
#257:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbXV2R_Yd1E


This is the saddest day of my Kpop life. It's more upbeat than I thought it was going to be.
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double_oh
05/31/17 11:27:04 AM
#258:


Rob Cesternino posted...
But at least After School is not disbanding. There's still hope...

lol no. There's no hope. This is AS going out with a whimper, not a bang.
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Gheb
05/31/17 12:35:57 PM
#259:


double_oh posted...
Rob Cesternino posted...
But at least After School is not disbanding. There's still hope...

lol no. There's no hope. This is AS going out with a whimper, not a bang.

I think the bigger news is that there is still an After School to leave. I was pretty sure they were disbanded already. Their last Korean comeback was almost four years ago.
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Rob Cesternino
06/02/17 3:27:13 AM
#261:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28naAblMZmA


Elris
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KainWind
06/02/17 3:28:53 AM
#262:


It's so rare to find new groups that aren't over-the-top with their cute concepts. At least from the smaller companies.
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magpie1862
06/02/17 7:31:48 AM
#263:


Chaeyeon cast as the lead in some new drama. Might have to watch it..Sejeong is also going in to acting too. We're pretty spoilt right now.
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paerarru
06/02/17 10:22:20 PM
#264:


:arms wide open: SPOIL ME!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS1hDAAFHXw


Okay first I have to admit Hwi Hwi's choreo, style is really sexy. I love it when they go flamingo. Very showgirls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZCaNGlh0zU


Rob Cesternino posted...
Elris

Ooh, the other Kpop Star girls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xKnmTj3v7E


KainWind posted...
It's so rare to find new groups that aren't over-the-top with their cute concepts. At least from the smaller companies.

That is true. Although there's many shades of cute. And you can't really tell just from a group's debut concept. But you're right, it's like the default. It's like the cuter the better.

I like Nancy and friends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4RbCOuPLQw


Hey! Dab! Ho! Yeah!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThZfIQg24pc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-57RQx77W-I


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmvf2behhl4


Man from Sistar to WJSN... alright alright, don't get sad, get spoilt!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd3T1buH4o4
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Rob Cesternino
06/03/17 1:41:16 AM
#265:


I'm definitely excited for new Cosmic Girls

And also...
https://imgtc.com/w/ogqUH0x
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magpie1862
06/03/17 8:52:32 AM
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paerarru
06/03/17 11:21:38 AM
#267:


"Seoul in the middle of the 10's was a very special time and place to be a part of."

0T40XDJ

magpie1862 posted...
Just found this. So good.

Cheers! This one will go great next to the dance practice. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSYvERFZqmw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKc-Jumnbt0


I love Yoojung because she's always got this huge, gorgeous set of t-teeth. When she smiles. She's such a sweet, happy girl.

http://www.asianjunkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/YujeongJune2017MAXIM6.jpg
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magpie1862
06/03/17 9:48:24 PM
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Rob Cesternino
06/04/17 1:24:58 AM
#269:


Speaking of Tzuyu

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magpie1862
06/05/17 6:45:10 AM
#270:


Someone needs to rescue Nahyun from Sonamoo. She's not gonna do anything with them http://68.media.tumblr.com/bfe24cffa2153f4f72fbee88793c5165/tumblr_or1id5cbud1qk12q0o1_1280.jpg
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Mako_Sharknado
06/05/17 6:56:02 AM
#271:


Space Baes best in the game baybee. Cheng Xiao'n Luda all goddamn day dawg
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double_oh
06/06/17 11:59:40 PM
#273:


TOP drama is nuts. Shit's off the rails.
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Rob Cesternino
06/07/17 12:44:28 AM
#274:


double_oh posted...
TOP drama is nuts. Shit's off the rails.


It got more serious in the last two hours. Apparently his mom said that he's in serious condition and he may have brain damage.

Kim Chungha released her solo MV. This is GOOD! Reminds me of Taeyeon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHgeGRU3wDI

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Cybuster_88
06/07/17 1:23:47 AM
#275:


Rob Cesternino posted...
Kim Chungha released her solo MV. This is GOOD! Reminds me of Taeyeon:

Yeah. Kinda "Why" and "Fine" vibes, but certainly no Taeyeon.

Which group is she from?
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paerarru
06/07/17 3:28:56 AM
#276:


Wow. I hope he gets well.

Cybuster_88 posted...
Which group is she from?

She's not, but she was in IOI.

Maybe not Taeyeon but yeah it's really good, I love it. Sorry but I feel like this is the perfect time to repost this classic.

https://gfycat.com/SarcasticFragrantBlackandtancoonhound?speed=0.5

I love how satisfied Sejeong looks. XD Remember, judge not.

Yeah post Space Baes should be up soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFZNnvGI1XA


Can always have more Cheng Xiao.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqOJ_J5rikM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrnmLGlPukg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTL8Jm7wXKA


I guess it's normal to get a little sad...

magpie1862 posted...
Someone needs to rescue Nahyun from Sonamoo. She's not gonna do anything with them


Sonamoo was the victim of "too many new groups, not enough time" for me. They're not bad... they're very underexposed though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_5upA8Rz-o


Elris are really pretty. Although a couple of them are a little too skinny. I like skinny but I hope they eat well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbws8ybRk5s


I don't know, even with the overly cute concept I think there's something promising about them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIvKMsr1yb0


You should all like Jiho. And fancams. And specially Jiho fancams. So.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIZI_sMNI5Y
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paerarru
06/08/17 1:24:24 PM
#277:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmPWJti_jc0


WJSN went back to upbeat and I'm glad, I think I actually like this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZVB_zCBlCU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VysKosZTYmg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxehTrUTo0A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up242U2e9Dg


I'm really into these dance practices right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj9CV-VV2m0


Mmmmm... BG deserve to be appreciated in multiple dimensions.
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closetkpopfan
06/08/17 10:29:46 PM
#278:


Can the whole planet just collectively get over smoking weed and stop making a big deal out of it? I just read it's punishable in South Korea up to 5 years in prison or a 45k fine. Just for smoking it. Jesus that's insane. It's no more dangerous than alcohol, in fact I've heard alcohol is worse for your brain. I don't even smoke weed, never even smoked a cigarette, I just think it's stupid as hell.

Hope TOP is ok, obviously he's got bigger problems than smoking weed.
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Rob Cesternino
06/10/17 1:56:08 AM
#279:


Awwww yeah Claire is back with a new song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjvmbYsOq9k


Shes the most gorgeous 30-something year old ever!
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Rob Cesternino
06/11/17 2:10:46 AM
#280:


I just realized theres 3 more days until Tzuyu turns 18

hmmm
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Banana_Mana
06/11/17 2:15:18 AM
#281:


What does 18 have to do with anything?
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paerarru
06/11/17 2:02:31 PM
#282:


D-3. Hmmm.

Banana_Mana posted...
What does 18 have to do with anything?

Because 18 is the age of majority, at least in most US states. Not age of consent, that's a different matter. I found out the age of consent in Korea is 13 (!). Also I think Tzuyu won't be "legal" in Korea until January 1st. Their laws are different anyways. Also she's Chinese anyways. Or is she? Who knows!

(I know what you mean. :) Yeah, it's an age.)

closetkpopfan posted...
Can the whole planet just collectively get over smoking weed and stop making a big deal out of it?

Sure, but what about the people who make more money the more people they put in jail? You want to drive them out of business or something?

Speaking of Chinese is it just me or is this song really catchy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4aVLSDLDw4


Fantagio getting ready to debut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpR6GcX2O-M


Pristin got pelted.

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Banana_Mana
06/11/17 10:51:31 PM
#283:


13 in Korea isn't really true (only applies to those of a similar age).

18 is a US thing - not a majority elsewhere. As such it's a pointless number to attach.

What was being implied by saying she is 18 anyway? Now Americans can bang her? People ITT going to get some? Weird attitude to sex you lot have.
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KainWind
06/11/17 10:56:08 PM
#284:


I think CE is just rubbing off on us. On here, girls are hideous until the second they turn 18. We should stop bringing this up in the topic though because I don't think any of us actually care.

On topic, Mamamoo comeback next week!
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Path_
06/11/17 11:01:48 PM
#285:


Tzuyu is Taiwanese. C'mon fam.
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Banana_Mana
06/11/17 11:02:15 PM
#286:


Fair enough. Hard to not be ruined by CE at times I give you that.
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paerarru
06/12/17 1:50:09 PM
#287:


D-2. XD

Banana_Mana posted...
What was being implied by saying she is 18 anyway? Now Americans can bang her?

No, see, I'm telling you that's particularly not what it means. I mean yes, it is also the age of consent in many places, but the thing about an idol turning 18 is that... in many relevant jurisdictions, i.e. some internet sites, e.g. the kpopfap subreddit, it's against the rules to post minors as suggestive content (in no small part because it would be against the law). Even in the thread Gheb has promised not to get pissy if someone posts panty shots of idols as long as they're legal. XD

Please don't try to argue this! That would be pretty pointless, for starters. I don't care anyways, I'm just telling you what the deal is.

People ITT going to get some? Weird attitude to sex you lot have.

Haha, it's not a "weird attitude", it's the law!

Path_ posted...
Tzuyu is Taiwanese. C'mon fam.

Oh, now you're gonna have to apologize!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIDZ_4hwXhk
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Banana_Mana
06/12/17 1:52:53 PM
#288:


I know you typed all that out thinking you were all ever and such, but I was referring to the original post wih 18 in it.

Anyway, it isn't important, and nor is it the law for many.
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GameofWheels
06/12/17 6:11:41 PM
#289:


Sonamoo is the biggest waste of potential. I liked them better in the Deja Vu era.
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paerarru
06/12/17 6:18:51 PM
#290:


Banana_Mana posted...
I know you typed all that out thinking you were all ever and such, but I was referring to the original post wih 18 in it.

Hmm? Sorry, I can't speak for Rob, that's true, but I'm pretty sure about what he's got in mind lol.
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Banana_Mana
06/12/17 6:28:30 PM
#291:


paerarru posted...
Banana_Mana posted...
I know you typed all that out thinking you were all ever and such, but I was referring to the original post wih 18 in it.

Hmm? Sorry, I can't speak for Rob, that's true, but I'm pretty sure about what he's got in mind lol.


Yeah. I mean, exactly what my post was about. Not sure why this is necessary to clarify.

Anyway, what's everyone watching / listening to now? Been out of the Kpop sphere for a while. Just seen the latest Sistar vid (disappointed) and that's pretty much it.
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KainWind
06/13/17 8:50:34 PM
#292:


Banana_Mana posted...
what's everyone listening to now?

This reminds me I wanted to update my top songs so far this year now that I'm pretty much caught up (about a month late). And it kinda answers your question at the same time anyway. Again, this is approximate and I just listed my favorite first. Any song I put in parentheses is another song I really liked from the same group/singer because I didn't want to repeat anyone this time.

1. Rookie - Red Velvet
2. Excuse Me (*) - AOA
3. Make Me Love You (**) - Taeyeon
4. Palette (Jam Jam, Black Out) - IU
5. Knock Knock (Signal***) - Twice
6. Chase Me (Good Night) - Dreamcatcher
7. Beautiful Lie (Ni Na No, ING) - Minzy
8. Kiss on the Lips (Common Melody, Mix & Match) - Melody Day
9. Circle's Dream (Strawberry) - Subin
10. Past Thoughts (Rollin') - Brave Girls

*I felt like this was a huge step up from their previous releases. The lead singles were great as always, but I really liked the other songs too, like Oh Boy, With ELVIS, Can't Sleep, etc...

**My Voice is seriously a great album. A lot of Taeyeon songs for me have been pretty hit or miss, but I would not be disappointed if I heard any song from it. My other favorites are probably, I Got Love, 11:11, and Eraser.

***I probably give the slight edge to Knock Knock here though I give bonus points to the MV for Signal, plus I've heard it more too. I feel like Signal was their weakest mini album since their debut, but it's not bad.

On another note, does anyone else like NC.A? I've only heard her album from last year, but I really like these two songs in particular:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv_aYbHOS98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfRCga22rGE

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GameofWheels
06/13/17 10:29:18 PM
#293:


Bora unsigned with Starship and is going to Hook Entertainment and Hyo isn't resigning either.
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Banana_Mana
06/13/17 10:32:24 PM
#294:


Will give those a listen. Thanks.

NC.A is alright - she used to present some music shows here that I would watch on the regular as she is a hottie.

Her music is alright. A tad cutesy at times. Haven't heard her stuff from last year tho. Will add to the list.
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KainWind
06/13/17 10:58:29 PM
#295:


Some other guys made lists a few pages back. Pristin and OMG are also good among recent stuff.

So where is the Sistar memorial so I can pay my respects?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi8jPZrzQfo


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Secret Asian Man
06/14/17 3:54:53 PM
#296:


Remember a while back about my attempt to get a K-Pop concert at my performance hall?

Looks like its not gonna happen.... :(
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paerarru
06/15/17 1:34:55 AM
#297:


Alright, Operation Tzuyu is complete! The scene did change a lot since Twice debuted just a year and a half ago...

Arin's birthday is also in a couple days and I'm looking forward that much more to it. No special reason, I just freaking like her.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4202/35135861692_1fff280a31_o.jpg

Secret Asian Man posted...
Looks like its not gonna happen.... :(

Sorry to hear. Maybe next year? What's the main obstacle?

Banana_Mana posted...
Anyway, what's everyone watching / listening to now?

Same as before. Bit of a quiet time right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQZIceh80EY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBnxOIjExHs


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Secret Asian Man
06/15/17 10:45:12 PM
#298:


Our venue is too small to recuperate the cost of getting any group worth anything over here. We can only hold about 1800 people. We'd need 4,000+ to be worth it. Plus, we'd have to catch them doing US tours but only the huge groups do. And there are no professional K-Pop promoters anywhere near our region. If we use folks from west coast, that further eats into our profits.
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Banana_Mana
06/16/17 12:33:31 AM
#299:


Secret Asian Man posted...
Our venue is too small to recuperate the cost of getting any group worth anything over here. We can only hold about 1800 people. We'd need 4,000+ to be worth it. Plus, we'd have to catch them doing US tours but only the huge groups do. And there are no professional K-Pop promoters anywhere near our region. If we use folks from west coast, that further eats into our profits.


It's really difficult to turn a profit with gigs or events. You really need to start small and build a local fanbase of regulars first.

I used to run events in Glasgow (Scotland), although they were not Kpop they were also niche and in 2 years hardly ever made a profit. We were lucky to break even, but did it because we enjoyed it and were able to perform as well. But, anything over 2000 people is a nightmare to organise and can go very wrong money wise without a huge guarantee of success.

Sorry it didn't work out!
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closetkpopfan
06/16/17 1:11:40 AM
#300:


The solution is simple. Just get Hyosung and sell as many tickets as you want. I'll fight every dude there is to the death anyway, so you don't even have to worry about refunds.
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paerarru
06/17/17 5:08:18 AM
#301:


Secret Asian Man posted...
We can only hold about 1800 people. We'd need 4,000+ to be worth it.

Nod. That's too bad, sounds like you could almost do it if you just had a somewhat bigger venue, a closer location or something.

closetkpopfan posted...
I'll fight every dude there is to the death anyway, so you don't even have to worry about refunds.

Hahaha. xD


I miss J-pop. The more I followed K-pop the less I followed it. Last couple years I've barely kept in touch with it. Today is AKB48's General Election. But just like in K-pop, the old generation I fell in love with have almost all retired, moved on. Except unlike K-pop I now recognize not even half the girls that are up there, if that. :\ :( See I kinda understand what it's like.

It doesn't help that again unlike Korea for some reason Japan has practically shut itself in. I don't know why they've made it so hard to get. Some kinda distribution war I guess.
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