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Bringit
04/04/17 12:31:12 PM
#52:


Burt_Macklin posted...
The "negative" reviews don't even say much of anything bad. Did people really want Yooka-Laylee to be some new innovative attempt at a 3D platformer?

This is what's confusing me about the reviews. They keep mentioning that gaming has evolved from these games but to what? They don't make these kind of platformers anymore.

The more recent Mario titles have gone back to the basics for instance, in a sense they devolved. They're effectively two different genres of platforming so it's just a weird criticism.
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Returning_CEmen
04/04/17 12:31:28 PM
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l Dudeboy l
04/04/17 12:31:36 PM
#54:


SSJCAT posted...
My point is that you missed the point of that quote.


I don't care for what he said after. I know what I'm buying this game for, and this is it. Jim's opinions on games from that era are irrelevant to me.
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Vyrulisse
04/04/17 12:32:22 PM
#55:


People want nostalgia until they get it then it sucks and is "old". Every time.
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l Dudeboy l
04/04/17 12:33:09 PM
#56:


SSJCAT posted...
l Dudeboy l posted...
FroMan posted...
Just because your game is going for a retro feel you don't have to include all the pratfalls that plagued the retro games you are emulating. You goal when making a retro game should be to take all that we loved about the old genre and make it fresh again by introducing all the innovations that have came since.


I don't want an adventure game plagued with dlc, microtransactions and multiplayer modes, thanks.

lol I can see now that you only interpret what people say to serve your own means, completely leaving out the rest or necessary context. I give up trying to have a discussion like this lol


Because there is no real answer. The genre's been dead for over a decade. How is a new entry going to include advancements of a genre that hasn't existed in almost two console generations?
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tremain07
04/04/17 12:33:26 PM
#57:


My brother is really wanting this game, We loved Banjo-Kazooie stuff as kids. But I honestly, with deepest sincerity want whoever designed Grunty Industries to get kicked in the shine, that fucking Jiggly by the boat's rudder was such bullshit! Total bullshit!

That level where you turn into a bee to fly up a giant tree with ever changing seasons was great,tho and Clanker...that place was nightmare fuel as a kid, even if he's a pretty nice guy, I fucking hated that level and it's creepy insides.
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Burt_Macklin
04/04/17 12:33:38 PM
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Have any reviews actually given specifics on what's bad about the camera and controls? Like do they state that about them makes it hard to do certain things?
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TheEvilMushroom
04/04/17 12:34:11 PM
#59:


Anybody who listens to reviews to buy their games are doing it wrong.

I wait a few days go see public opinion and then go from there. Works everytime, such as NMS. Didn't fall for that one.

I'm excited for Yooka-Laylee.
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Damn_Underscore
04/04/17 12:36:51 PM
#60:


jontron right now

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FroMan
04/04/17 12:37:38 PM
#61:


Burt_Macklin posted...
Have any reviews actually given specifics on what's bad about the camera and controls? Like do they state that about them makes it hard to do certain things?


Bad controls are one of the hardest things to communicate. They aren't always bad in obvious ways such as your character not jumping when you press jump. Often times they just feel bad and you just gotta experience them to understand.
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SSJCAT
04/04/17 12:38:57 PM
#62:


l Dudeboy l posted...
SSJCAT posted...
l Dudeboy l posted...
FroMan posted...
Just because your game is going for a retro feel you don't have to include all the pratfalls that plagued the retro games you are emulating. You goal when making a retro game should be to take all that we loved about the old genre and make it fresh again by introducing all the innovations that have came since.


I don't want an adventure game plagued with dlc, microtransactions and multiplayer modes, thanks.

lol I can see now that you only interpret what people say to serve your own means, completely leaving out the rest or necessary context. I give up trying to have a discussion like this lol


Because there is no real answer. The genre's been dead for over a decade. How is a new entry going to include advancements of a genre that hasn't existed in almost two console generations?

By having tight controls/camera control and having good level design- the only main gripes I have seen made about the game. I don't understand how this is going over everyone's heads. Yes, many people are probably being overly critical, but alas, I have yet to play and form my own opinion. As far as I can tell though, the game seems like an average platformer from that time, far from the top.
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TheGoldenEel
04/04/17 12:40:28 PM
#63:


The destructoid review is coming from where I'm coming from (they usually are, tbh)

Basically it sounds like the reviewer loves the old 3D platformers, and this game scratches that itch. No complaints about not modernizing enough, minor quibbles about the camera (but for real, even in 2017 that's not an uncommon problem with platformers)

Gave it an 8/10
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tremain07
04/04/17 12:43:33 PM
#64:


TheGoldenEel posted...
(but for real, even in 2017 that's not an uncommon problem with platformers)

No kidding, I fight the camera in breath of the wild about as much as I fight the monsters. It's especially a pain when you're fighting a mob of horseback moblins on foot or a pack of wolves because those sneaky bastards will run off camera and attack you, even worse is when you're in gerudo desert and you hear the music for the Modulga but you don't see it, you don't see anything but it's HP bar, then suddenly like fucking Jaws it pops out of the sand, sends Link sky high and chomps like the giant cheeps in Tiny Huge Island. Never traverse that place without a sand seal guys. God fucking damn.
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Burt_Macklin
04/04/17 12:45:47 PM
#65:


I feel like as long as you can jump and know where you're going to land and not like slide off of small platforms I won't have an issue with controls/camera. We shall see.
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Damn_Underscore
04/04/17 12:52:48 PM
#66:


My actual opinion on this - game reviews are trash. The destructoid one mentioned above makes it sound like it's exactly what I wanted.

As soon as someone mods Jontron's voice back into the game I will buy it. That or after it goes on sale or is included in a humble bundle.
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tremain07
04/04/17 12:54:55 PM
#67:


Damn_Underscore posted...
As soon as someone mods Jontron's voice back into the game I will buy it. That or after it goes on sale or is included in a humble bundle.

That's so stupid. racist ass johnny don't give a fuck about you, so why you him?
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TheGoldenEel
04/04/17 12:55:24 PM
#68:


tremain07 posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
As soon as someone mods Jontron's voice back into the game I will buy it. That or after it goes on sale or is included in a humble bundle.

That's so stupid. racist ass johnny don't give a fuck about you, so why you him?

You're responding to a gimmick account
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SSJCAT
04/04/17 12:57:12 PM
#69:


tremain07 posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
As soon as someone mods Jontron's voice back into the game I will buy it. That or after it goes on sale or is included in a humble bundle.

That's so stupid. racist ass johnny don't give a fuck about you, so why you him?

I believe I heard the change is in an update anyway. So, if for some reason you wanted him in it, you just have to not update the game lol.
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Damn_Underscore
04/04/17 12:58:15 PM
#70:


It's a matter of principle

Game developers (and others) need to know that SJW pandering is not cool.
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Burt_Macklin
04/04/17 12:58:48 PM
#71:


I'm so glad I don't know who the fuck this john tron person is so I don't need to pretend to care about stupid video gamer drama.
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Swagnificent119
04/04/17 1:01:40 PM
#73:


Looks like Open World is here to stay
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Damn_Underscore
04/04/17 1:04:05 PM
#74:


Swagnificent119 posted...
Looks like Open World is here to stay


Do you mean that Banjo Kazooie-style platformers are not open world?
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tremain07
04/04/17 1:04:40 PM
#75:


Damn_Underscore posted...
It's a matter of principle

Game developers (and others) need to know that SJW pandering is not cool.

You of all people should know principles don't mean shit in today's society, not to liberals, not to conservatives and definitely not to game developers and youtuber "stars" get over yourself and just play the damn game or not.
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Swagnificent119
04/04/17 1:07:46 PM
#76:


Damn_Underscore posted...
Swagnificent119 posted...
Looks like Open World is here to stay


Do you mean that Banjo Kazooie-style platformers are not open world?


I mean...they're not.

Reviewers want their big giant empty worlds with a bunch of towers to climb, not crafted worlds with a bunch of crap to collect.
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Leanaunfurled
04/04/17 1:11:47 PM
#77:


Returning_CEmen posted...
Only opinion I will listen to is @Leanaunfurled

I actually aw'd.
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Leanaunfurled
04/04/17 1:25:07 PM
#78:


Okay read through the whole topic, and this game basically sounds like what I was expecting and wanting. I'm the target audience for Playtonic, so I guess yay me? Sucks they're not getting higher scores but I guess dems the breaks for driving hard the nostalgia I guess.

lol @ no mini-map complaint though
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darkbuster
04/04/17 1:28:39 PM
#79:


Honestly, I kinda expected something along this line. Like with Mighty No. 9 (other issues with the game are not on trial here), I don't think a lot of people fully comprehended that this game was primarily a throwback, & had way too many expectations that weren't even compatible with the objective. This game is a new attempt at a modern 3D platformer. Platformers are mostly an endangered species outside of the Great Nintendo Preserve & the Indie Isles, where they're usually just making blatant knockoffs of classic platformers (so many Super Mario Bros & Mega Man clones out there); the last major "collectathon" style 3D platformer that immediately comes to mind is Super Mario Sunshine, & that game is nearing the 20 year mark.

Overall, if you want another game along the lines of Super Mario 64, Banjo, & Spyro, you'll most likely enjoy this.
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04/04/17 1:30:21 PM
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brotrrwinner
04/04/17 1:34:08 PM
#81:


Hmm, Jim Sterling's review was removed from the metacritic...
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Damn_Underscore
04/04/17 1:39:04 PM
#82:


Why did Jim Sterling's opinions ever matter?
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brotrrwinner
04/04/17 2:02:25 PM
#83:


Damn_Underscore posted...
Why did Jim Sterling's opinions ever matter?

They must matter since they removed his review from the list
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Swagnificent119
04/04/17 2:07:09 PM
#84:


Damn_Underscore posted...
Why did Jim Sterling's opinions ever matter?


Gamefaqs is notoriously wishy washy when it comes to Jim Sterling IMO. One week he's the end all be all because he agreed with the masses, the next week he's a fat fucking joke.

It is even funnier since he has straight up talked shit about Gamefaqs on numerous occasions.
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soulunison2
04/04/17 2:09:52 PM
#85:


lmao all the damage control you guys are putting up

"It's a retro game it doesn't have to be good!"

lmaoooooooooooooooooooo
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Damn_Underscore
04/04/17 2:24:12 PM
#86:


soulunison2 posted...
lmao all the damage control you guys are putting up

"It's a retro game it doesn't have to be good!"

lmaoooooooooooooooooooo


People are saying that game reviewers opinions are trash, which is true.
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darkprince45
04/04/17 2:27:49 PM
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I don't think it's damage control that reviewers are giving bad reviews to a game that's too much like banjo kazooie and Mario 64. You know, games that are some of the highest reviews and praised games of all time.

It's so stupid. You change the formula(nuts and bolt) you get ripped a new one, you go back( I say back because a lot of those guys worked on the old ones) and people rip you a new one
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Frostshock
04/04/17 2:32:59 PM
#88:


darkprince45 posted...
I don't think it's damage control that reviewers are giving bad reviews to a game that's too much like banjo kazooie and Mario 64. You know, games that are some of the highest reviews and praised games of all time.

It's so stupid. You change the formula(nuts and bolt) you get ripped a new one, you go back( I say back because a lot of those guys worked on the old ones) and people rip you a new one


It's almost like people don't want shitty car games OR uninspired reskins of old games.
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Burt_Macklin
04/04/17 2:33:05 PM
#89:


soulunison2 posted...
lmao all the damage control you guys are putting up

"It's a retro game it doesn't have to be good!"

lmaoooooooooooooooooooo


That isn't what people are saying at all but nice try. 1/5 for the effort
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darkprince45
04/04/17 2:34:08 PM
#90:


Frostshock posted...
darkprince45 posted...
I don't think it's damage control that reviewers are giving bad reviews to a game that's too much like banjo kazooie and Mario 64. You know, games that are some of the highest reviews and praised games of all time.

It's so stupid. You change the formula(nuts and bolt) you get ripped a new one, you go back( I say back because a lot of those guys worked on the old ones) and people rip you a new one


It's almost like people don't want shitty car games OR uninspired reskins of old games.

It looks pretty inspired to me and it's actually what PEOPLE WANTED. THATS WHY THEY FUNDED A KICKSTARTER LOL
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vashmoto
04/04/17 2:35:05 PM
#91:


Why are some peeps pretending to not understand the criticism?

It's okay if you like the game despite or even because of those particular reasons, but does that invalidate them?
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Blighboy
04/04/17 2:36:41 PM
#92:


Swagnificent119 posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Why did Jim Sterling's opinions ever matter?


Gamefaqs is notoriously wishy washy when it comes to Jim Sterling IMO. One week he's the end all be all because he agreed with the masses, the next week he's a fat fucking joke.

It is even funnier since he has straight up talked shit about Gamefaqs on numerous occasions.

I like his non-review content most of the time, but god damn if I don't disagree with him on nearly every review he puts out. He has very specific tastes, so he can ignore huge flaws to give a game 9/10 if it does something he likes, or nail a game to the cross if it does something on his personal hit list.

Admittedly he is still using the whole spectrum of numbers in his reviews, which is something. They are his opinion, and don't claim to be much else.
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darkprince45
04/04/17 2:36:54 PM
#93:


vashmoto posted...
Why are some peeps pretending to not understand the criticism?

It's okay if you like the game despite or even because of those particular reasons, but does that invalidate them?

Because the entire purpose of this game was to be funded for that 90s feel. Then it gets critiqued for it.
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Leanaunfurled
04/04/17 2:38:47 PM
#94:


vashmoto posted...
Why are some peeps pretending to not understand the criticism?

It's okay if you like the game despite or even because of those particular reasons, but does that invalidate them?

Because they're judging it for not being something it advertised itself to be the opposite of.
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Frostshock
04/04/17 2:39:50 PM
#95:


darkprince45 posted...
vashmoto posted...
Why are some peeps pretending to not understand the criticism?

It's okay if you like the game despite or even because of those particular reasons, but does that invalidate them?

Because the entire purpose of this game was to be funded for that 90s feel. Then it gets critiqued for it.


Okay? So the people who funded it get a copy and they might even have a lot of fun with it. That doesn't mean the mass market needs to positively review a niche game in a dead genre because 90s kids funded a revival based on nostalgia.
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Frostshock
04/04/17 2:41:21 PM
#96:


Leanaunfurled posted...
vashmoto posted...
Why are some peeps pretending to not understand the criticism?

It's okay if you like the game despite or even because of those particular reasons, but does that invalidate them?

Because they're judging it for not being something it advertised itself to be the opposite of.


I wasn't aware that review scores were a grading on the accuracy of a game's advertising. I thought they were a grading of how much fun the reviewer had playing it.
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Balrog0
04/04/17 2:42:19 PM
#97:


darkbuster posted...
the last major "collectathon" style 3D platformer that immediately comes to mind is Super Mario Sunshine, & that game is nearing the 20 year mark.


aren't the ratchet and clank games collectathons?

Ive never played them much. I remember them being 3d platform (shooters) for srue though
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04/04/17 2:46:34 PM
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EnragedSlith
04/04/17 2:50:14 PM
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I respect Sterling, so I give a lot of weight to his reviews. I'll probably skip this one, since I wasn't that excited about it in the first place
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Burt_Macklin
04/04/17 2:50:24 PM
#100:


Frostshock posted...
Leanaunfurled posted...
vashmoto posted...
Why are some peeps pretending to not understand the criticism?

It's okay if you like the game despite or even because of those particular reasons, but does that invalidate them?

Because they're judging it for not being something it advertised itself to be the opposite of.


I wasn't aware that review scores were a grading on the accuracy of a game's advertising. I thought they were a grading of how much fun the reviewer had playing it.


You should review a game on what it tries to do and how well it does it. I didn't have fun playing The Witcher 3 but I'm not going to shit on the game because it wasn't the style of game I prefer. It was clearly a well made game. It's pretty dumb to review something and critique it for not being something it never tried to or wanted to be.
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Illuminoius
04/04/17 2:55:48 PM
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the damage control is ridiculous
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