Current Events > Black girl accepted to 8 Ivy League schools. Affirmative Action or brilliance?

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Really the people crying racist right now are the reason nobody can have a decent conversation about race. Jfc.
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toptopmax posted...

Really the people crying racist right now are the reason nobody can have a decent conversation about race. Jfc.

You equate her success with race and not her merits then yeah, you just might get accused of being a racist.

What discussion are you even hoping to get out of this topic?
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

You equate her success with race and not her merits then yeah, you just might get accused of being a racist.

I never fucking did that. Holy shit. You. Just. Proved. My. Point.
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TC is questioning the validity of her acceptance because shes black. The poll reveals how many others do

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Alfuh posted...

StealthRock posted...

SSj4Wingzero posted...

StealthRock posted...

Lol yea sure. I'm sure they didn't work their asses off at all. It's just affirmative action. Like that s*** is a federal law or something

Did he say that they didn't work their asses off at all?

No, he said that He's sure there were more qualified whites who didn't get in because I guess Ivy league schools got a quota to fill lololol

False bullshit. You're attacking a strawman argument.

It was asked that if affirmative action isn't the likely cause, why exactly are all of the people accepted into all eight Ivy Leagues direct descendants of immigrant parents. You have no answer to this, so now you're making up nonsense.

You can live in feels land all you want, but everyone else isn't obligated to be braindead with regards to recognizing trends. And doing so doesn't make them a bigot. Baseless slander is no substitute for an argument.

There isn't a "trend" when a string of african americans is drafted by the NFL. How come no one asks about affirmative action then??
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toptopmax posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

You equate her success with race and not her merits then yeah, you just might get accused of being a racist.

I never fucking did that. Holy shit. You. Just. Proved. My. Point.

Is the topic not about that very question genius?

You don't have a point.

Be like every other denier and blame it on us if you want, But I know the truth

If race truly played no part in this thread, the affirmative action wouldn't have been brought up at all.
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Alfuh posted...

It was asked that if affirmative action isn't the likely cause, why exactly are all of the people accepted into all eight Ivy Leagues direct descendants of immigrant parents. You have no answer to this, so now you're making up nonsense.

this trend doesn't really become important until we also look at the trend of people that apply to all 8, and I am assuming that the number is minimal
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ImAMarvel posted...

Racists will say Affirmative Action but she really could be that brilliant.

lol this guy

affirmative action exists and ivy leagues have actual quotas. Knowing this doesn't make you racist.
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Link HT posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

Racists will say Affirmative Action but she really could be that brilliant.

lol this guy

affirmative action exists and ivy leagues have actual quotas. Knowing this doesn't make you racist.

Are you arguing that aa exists, or that this black girl isnt good enough and needed aa to get accepted
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Why do the same posters always get pissy whenever a story breaks about a minority attending a college? Even if you want to imply her race played a roll, people dismissing her own credentials entirely and claiming it's simply her race thay got her in, which is astronomically stupid to assume and quite frankly patehtic.

I couldn't vote in the poll because 'both' wasn't an option.
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Her academic accomplishments are oddly not mentioned. I'm guessing it's fair to assume she wasn't valedictorian . . . I'm sure AA played no role . . .
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It's laughable that the idiots are still resorting to personal attacks in utter denial that sometimes heritage comes into play, even though anyone with the slightest of knowledge about the situation recognizes such as fact.

Nobody fucking said she didn't deserve to get into any of the colleges at all. The argument is that no credentials are high enough to get you into literal all eight naturally, given the stiff competition and random chance involved at the higher levels of entry (hint: not everyone who's qualified gets in. The acceptance rates are ridiculously low by design to make the colleges appear exclusive, and among two qualified applicants oftentimes one has to be excluded for arbitrary reasons to keep the numbers down).

Getting into all eight is the equivalent of winning the Powerball, only in this case all the successful applicants share fresh foreign heritages. You wouldn't find it fishy if every Powerball winner came from another country?

StealthRock posted...

There isn't a "trend" when a string of african americans is drafted by the NFL. How come no one asks about affirmative action then??

There are tons of people of all backgrounds in the fucking NFL.

prettyprincess posted...

Alfuh posted...

It was asked that if affirmative action isn't the likely cause, why exactly are all of the people accepted into all eight Ivy Leagues direct descendants of immigrant parents. You have no answer to this, so now you're making up nonsense.

this trend doesn't really become important until we also look at the trend of people that apply to all 8, and I am assuming that the number is minimal

But without data to go off of, it is very unlikely that the majority of people who do so are first generation Americans. Needless to say, first generation Americans are an extremely small portion of the population at large. Yet they represent all of the straight flush Ivy applicants. That simply doesn't add up statistically, and would be an astronomical coincidence if no outside factors were influencing it.
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ReignFury posted...

Link HT posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

Racists will say Affirmative Action but she really could be that brilliant.

lol this guy

affirmative action exists and ivy leagues have actual quotas. Knowing this doesn't make you racist.

Are you arguing that aa exists, or that this black girl isnt good enough and needed aa to get accepted

That AA exists and that it can't be dismissed as a factor.

I have no idea about who this girl is or how she compares to her peers, but neither does anyone else here. Whether or not AA was a determining factor is something we can't know.

Saying she ONLY got in because of AA is stupid, saying AA has nothing to do with it is just as stupid.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Why would she apply to all of them? The application fee is literally $615

If you're really good they will waive the application fee. The schools come to you at that point, not the other way around.
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It's both, obviously.

She got into all 8 so there's no reason to believe she doesn't deserve to go to an Ivy League based on merit.

If anything, I'd say that is an argument against AA. Getting into all 8 Ivy Leagues is an amazing achievement and it was done by a black student. AA is not needed and black people are perfectly capable of getting ahead based purely on merit as this girl has demonstrated.

But of course, even after what's she's achieved, liberals will still treat black people like they're incapable of doing anything without the help of government or Democrats.
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I can honestly say I didn't expect these poll results.

Guess I'm not quite jaded enough yet.
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Our school's valedictorian, who was Indian, didn't get into Harvard. But our school's 7th/640, who was Hispanic, did get in. Affirmative action is real. Girl in OP might be brilliant but she definitely got a leg up for her skin color.

Damn_Underscore posted...

Why would she apply to all of them? The application fee is literally $615

I knew a girl that applied to, and I am not exaggerating, 40 schools. But she was also batshit insane and tried to frame our salutatorian for sexual assault so she could become it (she was 3rd). How much do 40 applications cost, a few thousand? Always hated that bitch.

DifferentialEquation posted...

If anything, I'd say that is an argument against AA. Getting into all 8 Ivy Leagues is an amazing achievement and it was done by a black student. AA is not needed and black people are perfectly capable of getting ahead based purely on merit as this girl has demonstrated.

This is just stupid reasoning but I'm all for dropping AA, I think it's a pretty racist concept.
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Alfuh posted...

StealthRock posted...

PiOverlord posted...

Come on, you're telling me that in a white-majority country, that it just so happens all the extremely-qualified candidates are people of color?

Sorry, I am sure she has the good grades, but this is entirely universities being political.

You could flip that bulllshit around the other way too

No, you can't. Every individual who's made it into all eight Ivy Leagues has been a minority.

http://www.businessinsider.com/students-accepted-to-all-8-ivy-league-schools-have-one-specific-thing-in-common-2015-4

To claim that's all just a coincidence with certainty is the height of ignorance.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/education/2015/04/08/north-central-senior-accepted-every-ivy-league-college/25492819/
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I'll just leave this article here:

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/3/22/race-and-admissions-at-harvard/

When Bok was appointed University President in 1971, he made Leonard his special assistant and set to work diversifying the student body. Together, Bok and Leonard developed the “Harvard Plan,” an admissions policy applied across Harvard’s schools that allowed recruiters to take into account applicants’ race and ethnicity.

Bok and Leonard’s implementation of the policy—more commonly known as affirmative action—in the 1970s set a national precedent, causing universities across the United States to adopt similar standards. But the Harvard Plan has also become a lightning rod for criticism of race-conscious admissions.

Critics of affirmative action have argued that the policy discriminates against white—and more recently, Asian-American—students. And, given that most elite private colleges do not disclose how they take race into account in admissions, some detractors have claimed the closed-door nature of the process invites misconduct.

It's wonderful that this girl got accepted to all 8 schools, but to think that race did not play at least a small factor...
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OK, so what about the other 7? Have any other articles you'd like to drop?
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Link HT posted...

ReignFury posted...

Link HT posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

Racists will say Affirmative Action but she really could be that brilliant.

lol this guy

affirmative action exists and ivy leagues have actual quotas. Knowing this doesn't make you racist.

Are you arguing that aa exists, or that this black girl isnt good enough and needed aa to get accepted

That AA exists and that it can't be dismissed as a factor.

I have no idea about who this girl is or how she compares to her peers, but neither does anyone else here. Whether or not AA was a determining factor is something we can't know.

Saying she ONLY got in because of AA is stupid, saying AA has nothing to do with it is just as stupid.

Both are likely but the focus of this topic was never about merit. Personally Id like to know how many people actually apply for all 8, especially successful Harvard applicants, if you can get it Harvard you can get in anywhere.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

OK, so what about the other 7? Have any other articles you'd like to drop?

I also don't know if essentially quoting the definition of AA is going to open eyes.
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Alfuh posted...

would be an astronomical coincidence if no outside factors were influencing it.

of course, but these are more than likely at play as well somehow, that's just why we end up doing things as people

perhaps they hold a stronger, more personalized reasoning for which one would apply to every Ivy, like having been instilled with the idea that they are on a quest for success wherever it may be found in the US and in doing so must seek the greatest chance at it no matter the unlikelihood
or perhaps they do so after having been taught the idea that they inherently have more to prove due to being an 'outsider' and thus they force themselves at higher percentages to take more chances or reach toward what is presented as the best they can achieve in that way
it's also merely possible that these universities place significant value in the extra-U.S. experience of the applicants/their families more than they accept to merely meet a quota, and their applications reflect that aspect of their lives in essay or elsewhere

or other totally speculative things of that nature, of course

and then you can perhaps discount the nepotism-accepted, underqualified applicants of Ivies for likely being less bothered to apply to the locations beyond the single Ivy with their history, and then potentially continue through other possible American-bred reasons that individuals might have for not applying to all Ivies (more intimate knowledge of less famed but still presitigious schools, higher likelihood of 'following' SO/friend through relationship history here, etc etc, who knows)

but this is all highly unlikely to ever be the subject of actual data driven research



if anything, I would personally assume that the majority of all-Ivy applicants are the woefully underqualified students being pressured by family/friends who simply taking shots at any of the Ivies that may have them
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Alfuh posted...

It's laughable that the idiots are still resorting to personal attacks in utter denial that sometimes heritage comes into play, even though anyone with the slightest of knowledge about the situation recognizes such as fact.

Nobody fucking said she didn't deserve to get into any of the colleges at all. The argument is that no credentials are high enough to get you into literal all eight naturally, given the stiff competition and random chance involved at the higher levels of entry (hint: not everyone who's qualified gets in. The acceptance rates are ridiculously low by design to make the colleges appear exclusive, and among two qualified applicants oftentimes one has to be excluded for arbitrary reasons to keep the numbers down).

Getting into all eight is the equivalent of winning the Powerball, only in this case all the successful applicants share fresh foreign heritages. You wouldn't find it fishy if every Powerball winner came from another country?

StealthRock posted...

There isn't a "trend" when a string of african americans is drafted by the NFL. How come no one asks about affirmative action then??

There are tons of people of all backgrounds in the fucking NFL.

prettyprincess posted...

Alfuh posted...

It was asked that if affirmative action isn't the likely cause, why exactly are all of the people accepted into all eight Ivy Leagues direct descendants of immigrant parents. You have no answer to this, so now you're making up nonsense.

this trend doesn't really become important until we also look at the trend of people that apply to all 8, and I am assuming that the number is minimal

But without data to go off of, it is very unlikely that the majority of people who do so are first generation Americans. Needless to say, first generation Americans are an extremely small portion of the population at large. Yet they represent all of the straight flush Ivy applicants. That simply doesn't add up statistically, and would be an astronomical coincidence if no outside factors were influencing it.

There's tons of people from all backgrounds in fucking ivy league schools.


But as expected you missed the fucking point

No on questions a black athletes inclusion into sports to entertain white people. But if they are intelligent and get into an Ivy league school??? Must be affirmative action
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This is bait
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StealthRock posted...

Alfuh posted...

It's laughable that the idiots are still resorting to personal attacks in utter denial that sometimes heritage comes into play, even though anyone with the slightest of knowledge about the situation recognizes such as fact.

Nobody fucking said she didn't deserve to get into any of the colleges at all. The argument is that no credentials are high enough to get you into literal all eight naturally, given the stiff competition and random chance involved at the higher levels of entry (hint: not everyone who's qualified gets in. The acceptance rates are ridiculously low by design to make the colleges appear exclusive, and among two qualified applicants oftentimes one has to be excluded for arbitrary reasons to keep the numbers down).

Getting into all eight is the equivalent of winning the Powerball, only in this case all the successful applicants share fresh foreign heritages. You wouldn't find it fishy if every Powerball winner came from another country?

StealthRock posted...

There isn't a "trend" when a string of african americans is drafted by the NFL. How come no one asks about affirmative action then??

There are tons of people of all backgrounds in the fucking NFL.

prettyprincess posted...

Alfuh posted...

It was asked that if affirmative action isn't the likely cause, why exactly are all of the people accepted into all eight Ivy Leagues direct descendants of immigrant parents. You have no answer to this, so now you're making up nonsense.

this trend doesn't really become important until we also look at the trend of people that apply to all 8, and I am assuming that the number is minimal

But without data to go off of, it is very unlikely that the majority of people who do so are first generation Americans. Needless to say, first generation Americans are an extremely small portion of the population at large. Yet they represent all of the straight flush Ivy applicants. That simply doesn't add up statistically, and would be an astronomical coincidence if no outside factors were influencing it.

There's tons of people from all backgrounds in fucking ivy league schools.


But as expected you missed the fucking point

No on questions a black athletes inclusion into sports to entertain white people. But if they are intelligent and get into an Ivy league school??? Must be affirmative action

I don't believe there is affirmative action laws in sports, so I think most people accept and recognize black people are generally better athletes in certain sports.

Maybe do away with Affirmative Action laws and people wouldn't have to question anything?

Pretty fair question to think about, especially considering the fact they are all persons of color. Seems pretty obvious, really.
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Capn Circus posted...

StealthRock posted...

Alfuh posted...

It's laughable that the idiots are still resorting to personal attacks in utter denial that sometimes heritage comes into play, even though anyone with the slightest of knowledge about the situation recognizes such as fact.

Nobody fucking said she didn't deserve to get into any of the colleges at all. The argument is that no credentials are high enough to get you into literal all eight naturally, given the stiff competition and random chance involved at the higher levels of entry (hint: not everyone who's qualified gets in. The acceptance rates are ridiculously low by design to make the colleges appear exclusive, and among two qualified applicants oftentimes one has to be excluded for arbitrary reasons to keep the numbers down).

Getting into all eight is the equivalent of winning the Powerball, only in this case all the successful applicants share fresh foreign heritages. You wouldn't find it fishy if every Powerball winner came from another country?

StealthRock posted...

There isn't a "trend" when a string of african americans is drafted by the NFL. How come no one asks about affirmative action then??

There are tons of people of all backgrounds in the fucking NFL.

prettyprincess posted...

Alfuh posted...

It was asked that if affirmative action isn't the likely cause, why exactly are all of the people accepted into all eight Ivy Leagues direct descendants of immigrant parents. You have no answer to this, so now you're making up nonsense.

this trend doesn't really become important until we also look at the trend of people that apply to all 8, and I am assuming that the number is minimal

But without data to go off of, it is very unlikely that the majority of people who do so are first generation Americans. Needless to say, first generation Americans are an extremely small portion of the population at large. Yet they represent all of the straight flush Ivy applicants. That simply doesn't add up statistically, and would be an astronomical coincidence if no outside factors were influencing it.

There's tons of people from all backgrounds in fucking ivy league schools.


But as expected you missed the fucking point

No on questions a black athletes inclusion into sports to entertain white people. But if they are intelligent and get into an Ivy league school??? Must be affirmative action

I don't believe there is affirmative action laws in sports, so I think most people accept and recognize black people are generally better athletes in certain sports.

Maybe do away with Affirmative Action laws and people wouldn't have to question anything?

Pretty fair question to think about, especially considering the fact they are all persons of color. Seems pretty obvious, really.

I agree Affirmative action is fucking stupid anyways

BUT, the fact that this question is even being asked highlights how sad an racist this country still is.

Affirmative action may be good intentioned, but if it dilutes a person's merit then it is useless

because if you see a black person making big accomplishments and racist shit heads instantly think affirmative action, then there is something wrong
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Why would you even think affirmative action?

real life RiRi williams


soon she be fighting crime in flying robot suit
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Anyone still doubting TC is a racist shitclown?
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PiOverlord posted...

Come on, you're telling me that in a white-majority country, that it just so happens all the extremely-qualified candidates are people of color?

Sorry, I am sure she has the good grades, but this is entirely universities being political.

I would agree.

I was leaning toward her being extremely gifted, but seeing as the last few who have had this happen were also non-white, it seems like this is a fair bit of affirmative action. Of course, this does depend on the universities' policies.
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MaverickXeo posted...

I would agree.

I was leaning toward her being extremely gifted, but seeing as the last few who have had this happen were also non-white, it seems like this is a fair bit of affirmative action. Of course, this does depend on the universities' policies.

Do we have a list of the last ten or so people who have had this happen?
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"She's black there is no way she could deserve this. It's only affirmative action!"....why is CE full of idiots like this?

if an asian student got into all 8 ivies, would people be posting the same shit? or would they assume they deserved it before looking for other reasons other than merit?

Most of the CE men here couldn't get into a decent college. A good amount of you are probably unemployed or working some shit job, yet you guys want to make claims that affirmative action help this girl get into all eight colleges. Honestly, if your story is unique enough, and your resume, gpa and SAT Is good enough, it doesn't matter what your race is. Any school will be falling over themselves to get you.

Fam_Fam posted...

if an asian student got into all 8 ivies, would people be posting the same shit? or would they assume they deserved it before looking for other reasons other than merit?

they would assume they deserved it after parents forced them to study 12 hours a day and no recreational time
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Fam_Fam posted...

if an asian student got into all 8 ivies, would people be posting the same shit? or would they assume they deserved it before looking for other reasons other than merit?

We've had several posters comment about how not even any Asians they can name got into all 8. So I'd assume they consider asians smart by default and therefore wouldn't even ask about affirmative action
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Capn Circus posted...

CNN goes on to mention others who have overcame the enormous feat of being accepted into all 8 schools----

Students getting into all of the Ivies is a monumental feat, but it's happened to a handful of teens over the past couple of years -- Kwasi Enin in 2014, Harold Ekeh in 2015 and Augusta Uwamanzu-Nna and Kelly Hyles last year.

All of the people mentioned are persons of color, specifically what appears to be African American.

Given that blacks are underrepresented in Ivy League schools and they're actively trying to change that, it's possibly more the former than the latter although I'm sure she's intelligent.
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I just don't understand how you can make a topic like this, support a topic like this, then turn around and claim you aren't racist. Still waiting for a legitimate reason why you all think she doesn't deserve this.

Teddytalks posted...

Most of the CE men here couldn't get into a decent college. A good amount of you are probably unemployed or working some shit job, yet you guys want to make claims that affirmative action help this girl get into all eight colleges. Honestly, if your story is unique enough, and your resume, gpa and SAT Is good enough, it doesn't matter what your race is. Any school will be falling over themselves to get you.

"good enough" to fall into a threshold of acceptance given your race? Or good enough without laws to prop people up?
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Capn Circus posted...

Teddytalks posted...

Most of the CE men here couldn't get into a decent college. A good amount of you are probably unemployed or working some shit job, yet you guys want to make claims that affirmative action help this girl get into all eight colleges. Honestly, if your story is unique enough, and your resume, gpa and SAT Is good enough, it doesn't matter what your race is. Any school will be falling over themselves to get you.

"good enough" to fall into a threshold of acceptance given your race? Or good enough without laws to prop people up?

Do you know what her grades and qualifications are?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League
The Ivy League schools are highly selective, with acceptance rates since 2000 ranging from 6 to 16 percent at each of the universities. Admitted students come from around the world, although students from New England and the Northeastern United States make up a significant proportion of students.[70][71][72]

A number of people have been accepted into all eight Ivy League universities, most of them immigrants or children of immigrants to the United States[73]:

Harold Ekeh
Kwasi Enin
Ronald Nelson
Victor Agbafe
Munira Khalif
Ifeoma White-Thorpe
Martin Altenburg
Stefan Stoykov
Fernando Rojas

http://www.businessinsider.com/students-accepted-to-all-8-ivy-league-schools-have-one-specific-thing-in-common-2015-4

But a handful of students have gotten eight Ivy acceptances for the class of 2019. These students have one specific thing in common — they're all the children of immigrants.

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So they're immigrants. Or kids of immigrants. Do you know their grades and qualifications?

CE will gladly push the white privilege meme but won't recognize affirmative action? Who's the real racists?
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EcchiBaka posted...

CE will gladly push the white privilege meme but won't recognize affirmative action? Who's the real racists?

So by comparing the two are you admitting that white lrivelage exists?

I have no doubt she is brilliant but lots of really smart white and Asian students don't get that distinction.
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RamboCell29 posted...

I have no doubt she is brilliant but lots of really smart white and Asian students don't get that distinction.

Right

No one ever recognizes smart whites or asians ever
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