Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 83: Gorsuch an egg

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GuessMyUserName posted...

Corrik posted...

Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

If he cured cancer, you would all still he bitching. Anything that was not your way was gonna be met with incessant whining and bitching.

Whenever people say stuff like this, it's pretty telling that they have to come up with things like "cure cancer" or "solve world hunger" that Trump will never achieve and has done nothing to attempt achieving, rather than listing things he's actually done or might actually do.

Wow, it's almost like 99% of what he does is bad and worth complaining about.

No. It means no matter what he does you will complain. Literally things in this topic you complained about Trump for but not Obama.

and no matter what he does you never complain so maybe stop whining

Makes a lot of sense. I already stated being against the fact he failed on Obamacare's repeal and on his plan to replace it.
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Corrik posted...

No. It means no matter what he does you will complain. Literally things in this topic you complained about Trump for but not Obama.

Me personally or me as some weird collective? Either way you're wrong but I want to know whether you're also claiming to be psychic.
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All people did was complain about Obama. Have you been asleep for eight years?

what did trump even do that "obama also did and nobody complained about"?

from what i can tell the only major thing trump has done so far is kill a bunch of people in a military attack, and i absolutely complained about obama killing people. (at least he didn't start WWIII though - not entirely sure trump isn't going to do this.)
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

what did trump even do that "obama also did and nobody complained about"?

from what i can tell the only major thing trump has done so far is kill a bunch of people in a military attack, and i absolutely complained about obama killing people. (at least he didn't start WWIII though - not entirely sure trump isn't going to do this.)

Bombed ppl. Used bombs that cost money.
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Corrik posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

what did trump even do that "obama also did and nobody complained about"? [...]

Bombed ppl. Used bombs that cost money.

I think this deserves additional context. Donald's talked about knowing money, yet he's spending a lot of unnecessary money just from vacation-time he often railed against and his family's daily Secret Service treatment in NYC which costs us all tax-payer money. I also don't know how much people really trust his judgment in military actions, so in that way there's a heightened gambling spin here.

I don't think Democrats leveled this complaint against Obama, which is fair. It just stems from some other problems this President brings with him.
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Trump campaigned on cutting government spending. He's slashing millions from programs that have proven their value. I disagree with that, but ok.

Then he turns around and spends millions on personal vacations and to keep his family not in the WH - and the government spending there is going back into his own personal pockets.

And then he bombs another country for no military gain - he straight up admitted that it was a warning and didn't actually accomplish anything. But there are now PACs trying to use the strike for fundraising. It's becoming obvious that he's trying to use the strike to say "see guys, i TOTALLY don't have any connections to Russia!!1!" He's a good con man, he's trying to bait and switch his way out of a 55% disapproval rating.
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first poll (CBS) is out, trump is up. this shouldn't be particularly surprising, i hope. approval rating of 43%, 57% agree with the attack, though most agree - on either party - that A) he should get authorization from Congress, and B) only 18% want boots on the ground. everyone else is airstrikes, diplomacy, or both. basically, as long as he avoids nation building, it's gonna work out well.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-poll-shows-divergence-in-americans-opinion-of-us-strike-vs-syria/
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Peace___Frog posted...

Trump campaigned on cutting government spending. He's slashing millions from programs that have proven their value. I disagree with that, but ok.

Then he turns around and spends millions on personal vacations and to keep his family not in the WH - and the government spending there is going back into his own personal pockets.

And then he bombs another country for no military gain - he straight up admitted that it was a warning and didn't actually accomplish anything. But there are now PACs trying to use the strike for fundraising. It's becoming obvious that he's trying to use the strike to say "see guys, i TOTALLY don't have any connections to Russia!!1!" He's a good con man, he's trying to bait and switch his way out of a 55% disapproval rating.

So you do not think a warning is accomplishing something? Do you think this would have happened if Obama had did more when they did this beforehand?
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And peaf you sound like a conspiracy theorist now
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I think that the warning was bullshit because Assad isn't stopping, and Trump doesn't have the diplomatic tact to actually do anything. I think that if our Congress had tried to work with Obama on Syria instead of being a constant thorn in his side, we'd be in a better place.


I also strongly believe that regardless of military action, if he were truly sO cOnCeRnEd about the BABIES then he'd fucking let the refugees into the country. They've been vetted for two years and are more worthy of being here than he is. History has shown that military actions alone aren't going to do much in the ME. And if you dehumanize the people who are trying to keep their family safe, then they'll turn to other ways that keep their family safe in the short term.
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Corrik posted...

And peaf you sound like a conspiracy theorist now

Ah yes, let me just go shoot up this nearby pizzeria for no reason at all.


ITT if you expect a man who has shown himself to be a moralless snake oil salesman to continue to be just that, you are a conspiracy theorist. Lol. Let me know when you're done being a dunce.
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Peace___Frog posted...

Corrik posted...

And peaf you sound like a conspiracy theorist now

Ah yes, let me just go shoot up this nearby pizzeria for no reason at all.


ITT if you expect a man who has shown himself to be a moralless snake oil salesman to continue to be just that, you are a conspiracy theorist. Lol. Let me know when you're done being a dunce.

I honestly don't even know what you are even saying at this point. You are making zero sense.
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Corrik, what part of what Peaf said is a conspiracy theory?
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Peace___Frog posted...

Trump campaigned on cutting government spending. He's slashing millions from programs that have proven their value. I disagree with that, but ok.

Then he turns around and spends millions on personal vacations and to keep his family not in the WH - and the government spending there is going back into his own personal pockets.

And then he bombs another country for no military gain - he straight up admitted that it was a warning and didn't actually accomplish anything. But there are now PACs trying to use the strike for fundraising. It's becoming obvious that he's trying to use the strike to say "see guys, i TOTALLY don't have any connections to Russia!!1!" He's a good con man, he's trying to bait and switch his way out of a 55% disapproval rating.

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Corrik posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

Trump campaigned on cutting government spending. He's slashing millions from programs that have proven their value. I disagree with that, but ok.

Then he turns around and spends millions on personal vacations and to keep his family not in the WH - and the government spending there is going back into his own personal pockets.

And then he bombs another country for no military gain - he straight up admitted that it was a warning and didn't actually accomplish anything. But there are now PACs trying to use the strike for fundraising. It's becoming obvious that he's trying to use the strike to say "see guys, i TOTALLY don't have any connections to Russia!!1!" He's a good con man, he's trying to bait and switch his way out of a 55% disapproval rating.

Did you not read the last page?

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/08/world/asia/china-xi-jinping-president-trump-xinhua.html

Xinhua, the state news agency, on Saturday called the strike the act of a weakened politician who needed to flex his muscles. In an analysis, Xinhua also said Mr. Trump had ordered the strike to distance himself from Syria’s backers in Moscow, to overcome accusations that he was “pro-Russia.”

Whomp whomp.

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What does some countries propaganda have to do with it not being a conspiracy theory?

You are literally arguing that he just bombed a nation to gain some points in a poll.

Ttextbook conspiracy theory.
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He bombed an airfield that cleared their high value equipment out of the way beforehand and did so little damage planes were taking off literally the next day, so...?
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What else did the bombing accomplish? He himself said it did nothing. If your argument is "it was a warning" then it was a piss poor one because hours afterwards, planes launched from that airstrip.
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I'm also arguing that regardless of his motives for the strike, he is actively making the situation in Syria worse by refusing to accept refugees.
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Corrik posted...

So you do not think a warning is accomplishing something?

We already know the warning didn't work though
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Corrik posted...

What does some countries propaganda have to do with it not being a conspiracy theory?

You are literally arguing that he just bombed a nation to gain some points in a poll.

Ttextbook conspiracy theory.

Found the guy who missed when Trump literally said Obama was going to do this for this exact reason (even though it never actually came to pass)

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

So you do not think a warning is accomplishing something?

We already know the warning didn't work though

So they used more chemical weapons since? If so, I missed it. Got a link?
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Peace___Frog posted...

What else did the bombing accomplish? He himself said it did nothing. If your argument is "it was a warning" then it was a piss poor one because hours afterwards, planes launched from that airstrip.

Do you not exactly know how warnings work?

I am starting to really wonder because it sounds like you do not get it.

Let me give you an easier one to help you.

A guy is mouthing off to you. You punch a hole in the wall and say if you run your mouth fucking again that wall will be your face.

It is a warning. The warning is to preempt someone from doing what you are warning them about.

The action here is using chemical weapons.
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And then whoever's wall you just punched a hole into takes a sledgehammer to your kneecaps. Unless it was in your house. In which case, you have anger issues and are willing to damage your own property in order to make a point. So not only do you lack tact, but you're also actively making your lot in life worse. Got it.
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So Trump thinks Assad bombing civilian areas, that's fine, just don't you dare use chemicals?
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What Trump did is not even close to being a conspiracy theory. Politicians have done much worse for much less.
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How about this: Corrik, do YOU believe the warning will be effective?
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Corrik posted...

And peaf you sound like a conspiracy theorist now

Believing that Trump did the strike to help his ratings is a lot more believable than other things that have happened so far.
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Jakyl25 posted...

So Trump thinks Assad bombing civilian areas, that's fine, just don't you dare use chemicals?

That is apparently what he has said. It seemed very clear. Did he bomb them because they bombed a city? No. Because they used chemical weapons.


You can argue drastically what is normal in a war scenario to retake your land from rebels. Some may even go as far as saying total annihilation is acceptable.

However, most would not.

While you may argue that bombing areas of rebels which can result in civilian casualties is expected or a sad truth of war. It is exceedingly farther to say that literally gassing neighborhoods is par for the course.



Personally, I want nothing to do with Syria. It is a cesspool of terrorists. The rebels likely are as bad or worse than Assad himself anyways.

If you think the rebels do not personally use human shields to try and protect their outfit, you are pretty silly.

However, a nation using chemical weapons should be given a stern warning that it is not acceptable. Especially after an agreement to remove all chemical weapons prior, which was apparently violated.

I agree with the bombing. I agree with more airstrikes if the government continues such behavior (but they will not now).

I do not support helping the rebels directly not for boots on the ground or such.
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Jakyl25 posted...

How about this: Corrik, do YOU believe the warning will be effective?

Yes. Absolutely. Now that the President is shown to have teeth and to not be pushed over, Assad can never make the gamble to test it.

If it happens again, he feels he has lost his war and doesn't give a fuck. And, by then, us doing anything is not even necessary as he is about to lose the war anyways.
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Peace___Frog posted...

And then whoever's wall you just punched a hole into takes a sledgehammer to your kneecaps. Unless it was in your house. In which case, you have anger issues and are willing to damage your own property in order to make a point. So not only do you lack tact, but you're also actively making your lot in life worse. Got it.

You literally make no sense. But, it is cool. You do you.
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Rasmussen has his poll numbers down.
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Idk i thought my fanfiction was pretty easy to understand, i tried to make easy sentence clear and concise
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Corrik posted...

Yes. Absolutely. Now that the President is shown to have teeth and to not be pushed over, Assad can never make the gamble to test it.

You literally just said Obama would bomb countries and liberals didn't care
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Peace___Frog posted...

Idk i thought my fanfiction was pretty easy to understand, i tried to make easy sentence clear and concise

It is okay. Practice makes perfect.
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

How about this: Corrik, do YOU believe the warning will be effective?

Yes. Absolutely. Now that the President is shown to have teeth and to not be pushed over, Assad can never make the gamble to test it.

If it happens again, he feels he has lost his war and doesn't give a fuck. And, by then, us doing anything is not even necessary as he is about to lose the war anyways.

Yeah you better not do that again or we will tell you we are coming so you can move stuff and then we will do so little damage that you are fully operational the very next day. The sharpest of teeth.
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

How about this: Corrik, do YOU believe the warning will be effective?

Yes. Absolutely. Now that the President is shown to have teeth and to not be pushed over, Assad can never make the gamble to test it.

If it happens again, he feels he has lost his war and doesn't give a fuck. And, by then, us doing anything is not even necessary as he is about to lose the war anyways.

Corrik this a fucking a joke.

You know Obama dropped over 10,000 bombs in Syria right?

And he wanted to do more, specifically targeted at Assad's forces after the last chemical strike, but Congress demanded he get their approval, he asked for it, and they said it "wouldn't be effective" and denied it.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Yes. Absolutely. Now that the President is shown to have teeth and to not be pushed over, Assad can never make the gamble to test it.

You literally just said Obama would bomb countries and liberals didn't care

I did say that. What does that have to do with what I said?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Rasmussen has his poll numbers down.

... how.
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Yes. Absolutely. Now that the President is shown to have teeth and to not be pushed over, Assad can never make the gamble to test it.

You literally just said Obama would bomb countries and liberals didn't care

I did say that. What does that have to do with what I said?

How can Obama have been toothless if he was dropping bombs too?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

How about this: Corrik, do YOU believe the warning will be effective?

Yes. Absolutely. Now that the President is shown to have teeth and to not be pushed over, Assad can never make the gamble to test it.

If it happens again, he feels he has lost his war and doesn't give a fuck. And, by then, us doing anything is not even necessary as he is about to lose the war anyways.

Corrik this a fucking a joke.

You know Obama dropped over 10,000 bombs in Syria right?

And he wanted to do more, specifically targeted at Assad's forces after the last chemical strike, but Congress demanded he get their approval, he asked for it, and they said it "wouldn't be effective" and denied it.

He made a red line they clearly crossed and we did nothing.

Obama was pushed around by Russia in Ukraine. Russia in Syria. And so on.
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Corrik posted...

He made a red line they clearly crossed and we did nothing.

Congress literally told him not to.

Jesus Corrik.
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To be fair Corrik, while they haven't used chemical weapons again (which it seems they use sparingly regardless), the warning comes off as neutered when Syria is launching air strikes FROM THAT BASE within a day of the bombing.
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See: Republican Congressmen.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

He made a red line they clearly crossed and we did nothing.

Congress literally told him not to.

Jesus Corrik.

So he did nothing. What is not to understand? I don't care who told him to do what. The end result is. He did nothing.
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Espeon posted...

To be fair Corrik, while they haven't used chemical weapons again (which it seems they use sparingly regardless), the warning comes off as neutered when Syria is launching air strikes FROM THAT BASE within a day of the bombing.

The point of the warning was not to cripple them or what not. I mean, we obviously even gave them a beforehand warning of the attack. The point was to make a symbolic point that if it happens again, there will be appropriate consequences. It was a measured warning.

And, maybe Syria does do it again. (I doubt it) But if they do, Assad's regime is going to be gone very quick.

Unless Trump is a bluffer, and that would not be good.
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