Board 8 > Mercenaries 4 Mafia Topic 5: Work Printer Hate Club

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for dinner I had macaroni and smoked sausage and watched the finale of Iron Fist

dinner was good, Iron Fist was ok
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Shit... I am literally here for 10 whole minutes, what do you want me to extrapolate about my fakeclaim? I rolled it back because it started becoming relevant to reads of people based off the amount of saving power in the game. If kanz hadn't claimed saving power, I would have rode it to the end and let scum kill me off.
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IGCD is upset I don't read him town anymore. Boo hoo man. I'll be honest I don't even remember reading you town early. I mean, it's certainly possible, I'd say probable even because it's a stupid lie. But in case you couldn't tell, my reads tend to evolve with the game.
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huh, votals are still the same. Surprising
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adios john, I haven't had time to read everything, have you said something to exonerate yourself?
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Oddity posted...

adios john, I haven't had time to read everything, have you said something to exonerate yourself?

exonerate? damn, that's a heavy way to phrase that

I literally just got back here
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I see some confusion about jaded. This is his first game, but he read CT.
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What are your thoughts on Jaded?
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Jaded is very .... noncommital. I think he's overwhelmed by the amount of reading he has to do in this game. I think he's town?? This is more of a 'knowing him in rl' read so I'm not as sure. His content has not been great imho. Though his last ratings post seemed to agree with my own suspicions. So nothing strong either way, which is ironic considering I'm the 'I LISTEN TO MY READS' guy.
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Overall Jaded strikes me as a newbie that got unlucky with a starter scum roll,
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Well, I have to leave now, nothing has convinced me to get off of johnbobb. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
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Guys Death is scum let's lynch him

Why would anyone pretend not to know their flavor character fits the game? Like walking into Chrono Trigger mafia and being like "there's a character named Merle right?" when Merle is your actual character. It's bizarre and the risk/reward is so skewed toward risk that I can't see a player of Death's caliber trying something so dumb. He slipped and got caught. Lynch him
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Oddity posted...

Well, I have to leave now, nothing has convinced me to get off of johnbobb. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

If/when I flip, harass him for this tomorrow
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Oddity posted...

Well, I have to leave now, nothing has convinced me to get off of johnbobb. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

can I interest you in a death lynch instead?
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MZero11 posted...

He slipped and got caught. Lynch him

fucking this

honestly I don't know why this was allowed to fall under the radar.

Death fucked up, and fucked up bad, then tried to throw an easy target under the bus to save his ass

and somehow it's working
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MZero11 posted...

Guys Death is scum let's lynch him

Why would anyone pretend not to know their flavor character fits the game? Like walking into Chrono Trigger mafia and being like "there's a character named Merle right?" when Merle is your actual character. It's bizarre and the risk/reward is so skewed toward risk that I can't see a player of Death's caliber trying something so dumb. He slipped and got caught. Lynch him

The problem is by that very rationale death doing that as scum is even riskier, and by a massive margin.
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What have you done besides whine that we're not lynching Death and tell us what you ate for supper
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MenuWars posted...

MZero11 posted...

Guys Death is scum let's lynch him

Why would anyone pretend not to know their flavor character fits the game? Like walking into Chrono Trigger mafia and being like "there's a character named Merle right?" when Merle is your actual character. It's bizarre and the risk/reward is so skewed toward risk that I can't see a player of Death's caliber trying something so dumb. He slipped and got caught. Lynch him

The problem is by that very rationale death doing that as scum is even riskier, and by a massive margin.

that's why it's a fuckup, if you agree with Miz's logic. It wasn't intentional, it was 'hey this is gonna work' but he'd made a post that undermined his plans and 'whoops'
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Leo3L posted...

What have you done besides whine that we're not lynching Death and tell us what you ate for supper

This.

You're not even trying to defend yourself. A claim sure would be a great start!
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Why would anyone, even a newbie, as scum, ask a full game, for whether their fake claim would fit or not? This is why I can't get over the Occam's Razor, the implication is simply, my god death is town, or my god look how stupid death is.
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Death strongly feels like a scapegoat to me at this point. People are crafting a narrative that I can't really follow scum Death doing
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MenuWars posted...

The problem is by that very rationale death doing that as scum is even riskier, and by a massive margin.

No he just forgot that he had asked earlier if PJ was in Mercs. He wasn't yet planning to claim pj yet until he got pressured by VI and Chris. It wasn't intentional. That's the only way it makes sense
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Leo3L posted...

What have you done besides whine that we're not lynching Death and tell us what you ate for supper

I mean, by that logic, what have you done? You've been riding off your ability all game? You might be more accepted as town but don't pretend you've been better town
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Don't get me wrong I fully well don't understand why any of what Death did makes any damn sense as town either, but it makes at least SOME sense as town, whereas it makes absolutely no sense as scum.
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MenuWars posted...

I fully well don't understand why any of what Death did makes any damn sense as town either, but it makes at least SOME sense as town

what
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Johnbobb posted...

Leo3L posted...

What have you done besides whine that we're not lynching Death and tell us what you ate for supper

I mean, by that logic, what have you done? You've been riding off your ability all game? You might be more accepted as town but don't pretend you've been better town

It is a logical fallacy to try and distract from someone calling you out by saying "b-but what about YOU, huh?!??"

I can double vote, so I don't need to try and can spend 12 hours playing Persona 5

Unless you're going to claim confirmable town too you don't have that luxury
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htaeD posted...

MZero11 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

I dont feel good about killing death. Why as scum would he pick a flavor that has such attention surrounding it? Why not ANYTHING else? Again, it only really serves to make me look better as Town. And scum dont just decide to go and make a town player look better. They want them to look as bad as possible.

Can we please kill Kanz?

Did you see what happened when he claimed pj? Immediately everyone left him alone and unvoted. It worked brilliantly until my big post last topic. It was actually a good claim just ruined by an earlier post he probably forgot about

if there is one thing I will blame myself for
its not explaining, at the time of my claim, that I misdirected others on purpose, I must have forgotten that post

Right here, he even admitted that he forgot about the post (and hence why he didn't mention in the claim) EVERYONE forgot about it until I brought it up.
and it makes a lot more sense that he wasn't planning to fakeclaim pjbasis when he posted it and forgot all about it when he decided to claim pj. It makes way more sense then he was trying some weird way of hiding his flavor when literally no one would have suspected it in that situation (in fact, discussion was moving away from pj when he asked).
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Johnbobb posted...

MenuWars posted...

I fully well don't understand why any of what Death did makes any damn sense as town either, but it makes at least SOME sense as town

what

Basically using hyperbole I'm saying that Death's actions or at least his explanation of what he attempted to do makes some sense as town, whereas I don't see how him asking the game about a fake claim he was about to make as scum, would have any benefit to him as scum at all, I mean they literally have scum boards for that.
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Leo3L posted...

Johnbobb posted...

Leo3L posted...

What have you done besides whine that we're not lynching Death and tell us what you ate for supper

I mean, by that logic, what have you done? You've been riding off your ability all game? You might be more accepted as town but don't pretend you've been better town

It is a logical fallacy to try and distract from someone calling you out by saying "b-but what about YOU, huh?!??"

I can double vote, so I don't need to try and can spend 12 hours playing Persona 5

Unless you're going to claim confirmable town too you don't have that luxury

man if this isn't reason enough to stop having doublevoter in future games I don't know what is
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So are you going to do something town or keep claiming scum or rage at the unjust world or what
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MZero11 posted...

htaeD posted...

MZero11 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

I dont feel good about killing death. Why as scum would he pick a flavor that has such attention surrounding it? Why not ANYTHING else? Again, it only really serves to make me look better as Town. And scum dont just decide to go and make a town player look better. They want them to look as bad as possible.

Can we please kill Kanz?

Did you see what happened when he claimed pj? Immediately everyone left him alone and unvoted. It worked brilliantly until my big post last topic. It was actually a good claim just ruined by an earlier post he probably forgot about

if there is one thing I will blame myself for
its not explaining, at the time of my claim, that I misdirected others on purpose, I must have forgotten that post

Right here, he even admitted that he forgot about the post (and hence why he didn't mention in the claim) EVERYONE forgot about it until I brought it up.
and it makes a lot more sense that he wasn't planning to fakeclaim pjbasis when he posted it and forgot all about it when he decided to claim pj. It makes way more sense then he was trying some weird way of hiding his flavor when literally no one would have suspected it in that situation (in fact, discussion was moving away from pj when he asked).

So you forget about making posts about your fake claim to an entire game as scum then? Are you not seeing why I have a problem believing this? Like one... what benefit could he possibly hope to achieve by asking everyone as scum? Two. Why not just ask his team mates?

I mean I suppose Death could be an independent but if he's scum I'll be absolutely gob smacked, the more I think about it, the less it makes sense.
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Lopen
Benjamin

Claim
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Honestly I think we should lynch Leo cus he isn't stream P5 so I can watch tbqh.
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Corrik posted...

Lopen
Benjamin

Claim

hey corrik are you still a cop?
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MenuWars posted...

Basically using hyperbole I'm saying that Death's actions or at least his explanation of what he attempted to do makes some sense as town, whereas I don't see how him asking the game about a fake claim he was about to make as scum, would have any benefit to him as scum at all, I mean they literally have scum boards for that.

He didn't claim until about 24 hours after that
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Johnbob, at this point you're being unbelievably anti-Town by dragging this out and not claiming.

Like you can't seriously expect...whatever this is, to work and for us to lynch someone else?

If you're Town, you want us to have more information at this point, not for us to waste the last remaining hours sitting on you.
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MZero11 posted...

MenuWars posted...

Basically using hyperbole I'm saying that Death's actions or at least his explanation of what he attempted to do makes some sense as town, whereas I don't see how him asking the game about a fake claim he was about to make as scum, would have any benefit to him as scum at all, I mean they literally have scum boards for that.

He didn't claim until about 24 hours after that

and that changes anything how?
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MenuWars posted...

So you forget about making posts about your fake claim to an entire game as scum then? Are you not seeing why I have a problem believing this? Like one... what benefit could he possibly hope to achieve by asking everyone as scum? Two. Why not just ask his team mates?

What I don't see is why you're so sure he was planning to fakeclaim pj at that point and didn't come up with the idea later
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https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/75215317

new topic
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man the thing is, nobody ever wants me to claim when claiming is actually better for town, only when it's worse

I am Eddv, TOWN BP
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Johnbob, at this point you're being unbelievably anti-Town by dragging this out and not claiming.

Like you can't seriously expect...whatever this is, to work and for us to lynch someone else?

If you're Town, you want us to have more information at this point, not for us to waste the last remaining hours sitting on you.

THIS. One of you or death is likely to be scum. If you're town, claim so we can actually discuss who's more likely to be mafia instead of wasting time as you clown around. Let us use our time constructively!
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all votes are invalid here btw, so use the new topic!
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MZero11 posted...

MenuWars posted...

So you forget about making posts about your fake claim to an entire game as scum then? Are you not seeing why I have a problem believing this? Like one... what benefit could he possibly hope to achieve by asking everyone as scum? Two. Why not just ask his team mates?

What I don't see is why you're so sure he was planning to fakeclaim pj at that point and didn't come up with the idea later

No you're the one insinuating he's fake claiming it, I'm saying I find the idea so preposterous looking at what he's been doing in the game, that it must be his claim, otherwise this a moment even Tangy would blush at... and I expect way more from Death than that. At least this time, god forbid silliness becomes meta.
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Death - I think Death is Town. The story people are painting of him sounds like a slip sure. But does it make much sense for him to do any of it as scum? Claim PJ for example? But it's mostly his behavior today and reactions to questions that strikes me as towny.

Kanz on the other hand I had the opposite sense from. Leaving my vote on him because I feel like he's the only good lynch today other than an inactive.

Out of all of them I'd much rather kill Eadward or Jaded. Johnbob is the last one I'd want to go for, since I feel worse about the other two. So Johnbob, if you want people to not kill you today, you're gonna have to claim. I would consider voting for Eadward or Jaded if your claim was sound. But I'll just stay on Kanz if you dont, because i dont want to kill you unclaimed...
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Okay...so what I am getting from what everyone else is saying...is that I screwed up by unvoting Death. I unvoted Death because I knew I was going to be gone for a while, Johnbob, another scumspect of mine, jumped on his train, and I knew that put Death pretty high up on votals. Right now, I clearly need to be doing a better job of committing to my reads.

I would prefer Death over Johnbob. And nothing I have read from Kanz since he got back has changed my mind on him, either.

So:

##Vote:Death
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Kanz really working his way down from that initial 50% mark
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Jaded_Eye posted...

Okay...so what I am getting from what everyone else is saying...is that I screwed up by unvoting Death. I unvoted Death because I knew I was going to be gone for a while, Johnbob, another scumspect of mine, jumped on his train, and I knew that put Death pretty high up on votals. Right now, I clearly need to be doing a better job of committing to my reads.

I would prefer Death over Johnbob. And nothing I have read from Kanz since he got back has changed my mind on him, either.

So:

greengravy294 posted...

all votes are invalid here btw, so use the new topic!

greengravy294 posted...

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/75215317

new topic

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