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transience 04/15/17 3:43:31 PM #1:	I don't think anyone can say very much definitively about this contest. it's probably the most wide open one we've done since, well, maybe that rivalry contest. this one is that but multiplied - instead of two on two, we're looking at dozens on dozens. instead of just making a pick and running with it, we're basically trying to ascertain what this contest is even measuring. biggest game of the year? combination of top three or five games? do console releases matter? therefore, I'm just going to kind of throw questions out there that I think everyone should be considering. if you're looking for someone to just tell you who's going to win, you should probably look elsewhere. I'll make picks along the way to move the topic along but I don't have very strong convictions on anything here. --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:877254936] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>I don't think anyone can say very much definitively about this contest. it's probably the most wide open one we've done since, well, maybe that rivalry contest. this one is that but multiplied - instead of two on two, we're looking at dozens on dozens. instead of just making a pick and running with it, we're basically trying to ascertain what this contest is even measuring. biggest game of the year? combination of top three or five games? do console releases matter? therefore, I'm just going to kind of throw questions out there that I think everyone should be considering. if you're looking for someone to just tell you who's going to win, you should probably look elsewhere. I'll make picks along the way to move the topic along but I don't have very strong convictions on anything here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ProfitProphet 04/15/17 3:44:42 PM #2:	Tag --- Fortune tellers make a killing nowadays. <cite>ProfitProphet posted [p:877255021] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>Tag</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LOLIAmAnAlt 04/15/17 3:54:49 PM #4:	is it for biggest games, biggest moods, important releases, console releases, largest strides, fondest of memories i'll prob just vote for the years i liked --- lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll <cite>LOLIAmAnAlt posted [p:877255546] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>is it for biggest games, biggest moods, important releases, console releases, largest strides, fondest of memories i'll prob just vote for the years i liked</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
azuarc 04/15/17 3:54:54 PM #5:	transience posted... we're basically trying to ascertain what this contest is even measuring. biggest game of the year? combination of top three or five games? do console releases matter? Certainly something I've wanted to know. And will anyone look beyond the minor list of games that GameFAQs provides for the deeper list, or does it not ever matter to begin with? Some years have a really deep line-up of decent games, but no prize jewel. Others have one great game in a sea of trash. How to pick in a scenario like that? And what if the main games are ones that are going to provoke mixed reception, like World of Warcraft. Does that make 2004 a great year, or does it actually drag it down? One other thing that I noted when looking at your write-ups, tran, is that you considered the impact of the year on different platforms. You looks at consoles, then the arcades, then PC, and maybe handheld as well. Will voters look that deeply? If someone grew up on a particular system, will it matter? The last question I wonder is at what point games start to become too old for site users to look back on them fondly. I was born in 1980. I remember when the NES came out. Certainly not everyone here can say that, and so for many here the SNES or the N64 or even the PS2 is their era when they look back on things with rose-tinted glasses rather than "ugh, look at those terrible old games." I can look at games like space invaders, frogger, galaxian, etc, and respect them...but to a younger gamer, they're simply primitive. So how far back do we flip the switch? Is when in doubt, the year closest to 1998 wins this the advice to follow? <cite>azuarc posted [p:877255551] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote><cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>we're basically trying to ascertain what this contest is even measuring. biggest game of the year? combination of top three or five games? do console releases matter? </quote> Certainly something I've wanted to know. And will anyone look beyond the minor list of games that GameFAQs provides for the deeper list, or does it not ever matter to begin with? Some years have a really deep line-up of decent games, but no prize jewel. Others have one great game in a sea of trash. How to pick in a scenario like that? And what if the main games are ones that are going to provoke mixed reception, like World of Warcraft. Does that make 2004 a great year, or does it actually drag it down? One other thing that I noted when looking at your write-ups, tran, is that you considered the impact of the year on different platforms. You looks at consoles, then the arcades, then PC, and maybe handheld as well. Will voters look that deeply? If someone grew up on a particular system, will it matter? The last question I wonder is at what point games start to become too old for site users to look back on them fondly. I was born in 1980. I remember when the NES came out. Certainly not everyone here can say that, and so for many here the SNES or the N64 or even the PS2 is their era when they look back on things with rose-tinted glasses rather than "ugh, look at those terrible old games." I can look at games like space invaders, frogger, galaxian, etc, and respect them...but to a younger gamer, they're simply primitive. So how far back do we flip the switch? Is <quote>when in doubt, the year closest to 1998 wins</quote>this the advice to follow?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 04/15/17 4:01:10 PM #6:	Never underestimate the "I miss the 90s and will complain that it is not currently the 90s" crowd --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:877255870] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>Never underestimate the "I miss the 90s and will complain that it is not currently the 90s" crowd</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 04/15/17 4:04:34 PM #7:	I made these really crappy pictures to give myself a sense of what a person is trying to gauge when voting. chances are it won't look very much like this at all but at least it gets me thinking. anyway, there's really nothing to say about these 70s and early 80s years. 2009 is really, really interesting though.. I'll talk more about it when it gets a real opponent. this seems like an obvious 1989 win, but what if the match picture is something like this? (apologies for my hideous match pic skills, I'm really not even trying here) 1989 doesn't have any killers -- its best is Tetris which didn't even really come out in 1989 -- so it probably isn't great. but it's also the year the Genesis, GB and TG16 came out. meanwhile, 1983 is the year the video game market crashed. hmm! these will get better! --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:877256037] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote> I made these really crappy pictures to give myself a sense of what a person is trying to gauge when voting. chances are it won't look very much like this at all but at least it gets me thinking. anyway, there's really nothing to say about these 70s and early 80s years. 2009 is really, really interesting though.. I'll talk more about it when it gets a real opponent. this seems like an obvious 1989 win, but what if the match picture is something like this? (apologies for my hideous match pic skills, I'm really not even trying here) 1989 doesn't have any killers -- its best is Tetris which didn't even really come out in 1989 -- so it probably isn't great. but it's also the year the Genesis, GB and TG16 came out. meanwhile, 1983 is the year the video game market crashed. hmm! these will get better!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_DK 04/15/17 4:06:49 PM #8:	1994 vs 2004 is tough for me. I went 94 because more nintendo, but times are changing and Im not quite as sure. But 1994 was my pick. Whoever wins that match easily wins their next one and probably next two matches. --- Casual Revolution 2007 - 2016 <cite>Metal_DK posted [p:877256146] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>1994 vs 2004 is tough for me. I went 94 because more nintendo, but times are changing and Im not quite as sure. But 1994 was my pick. Whoever wins that match easily wins their next one and probably next two matches.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 04/15/17 4:17:41 PM #9:	azuarc posted... transience posted... we're basically trying to ascertain what this contest is even measuring. biggest game of the year? combination of top three or five games? do console releases matter? Certainly something I've wanted to know. And will anyone look beyond the minor list of games that GameFAQs provides for the deeper list, or does it not ever matter to begin with? Some years have a really deep line-up of decent games, but no prize jewel. Others have one great game in a sea of trash. How to pick in a scenario like that? And what if the main games are ones that are going to provoke mixed reception, like World of Warcraft. Does that make 2004 a great year, or does it actually drag it down? One other thing that I noted when looking at your write-ups, tran, is that you considered the impact of the year on different platforms. You looks at consoles, then the arcades, then PC, and maybe handheld as well. Will voters look that deeply? If someone grew up on a particular system, will it matter? The last question I wonder is at what point games start to become too old for site users to look back on them fondly. I was born in 1980. I remember when the NES came out. Certainly not everyone here can say that, and so for many here the SNES or the N64 or even the PS2 is their era when they look back on things with rose-tinted glasses rather than "ugh, look at those terrible old games." I can look at games like space invaders, frogger, galaxian, etc, and respect them...but to a younger gamer, they're simply primitive. So how far back do we flip the switch? Is when in doubt, the year closest to 1998 wins this the advice to follow? as for this -- I'm absolutely confident that people won't look at years as analytically as I did in my topic. that was more of a thought exercise than what I thought any random voter would do. I go way deeper than most people would even consider. I expect it to be just whatever's presented in the match picture. what's in that picture could really shape things. as for when games get too old? we're the same age. I wouldn't take anything before 1990 to have any strength at all with the exception of 85 and 87 to be worth much at all and that's just because of Mario 1 and Zelda 1. --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:877256683] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote><cite>azuarc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>we're basically trying to ascertain what this contest is even measuring. biggest game of the year? combination of top three or five games? do console releases matter? </quote> Certainly something I've wanted to know. And will anyone look beyond the minor list of games that GameFAQs provides for the deeper list, or does it not ever matter to begin with? Some years have a really deep line-up of decent games, but no prize jewel. Others have one great game in a sea of trash. How to pick in a scenario like that? And what if the main games are ones that are going to provoke mixed reception, like World of Warcraft. Does that make 2004 a great year, or does it actually drag it down? One other thing that I noted when looking at your write-ups, tran, is that you considered the impact of the year on different platforms. You looks at consoles, then the arcades, then PC, and maybe handheld as well. Will voters look that deeply? If someone grew up on a particular system, will it matter? The last question I wonder is at what point games start to become too old for site users to look back on them fondly. I was born in 1980. I remember when the NES came out. Certainly not everyone here can say that, and so for many here the SNES or the N64 or even the PS2 is their era when they look back on things with rose-tinted glasses rather than "ugh, look at those terrible old games." I can look at games like space invaders, frogger, galaxian, etc, and respect them...but to a younger gamer, they're simply primitive. So how far back do we flip the switch? Is <quote>when in doubt, the year closest to 1998 wins</quote>this the advice to follow?</quote> as for this -- I'm absolutely confident that people won't look at years as analytically as I did in my topic. that was more of a thought exercise than what I thought any random voter would do. I go way deeper than most people would even consider. I expect it to be just whatever's presented in the match picture. what's in that picture could really shape things. as for when games get too old? we're the same age. I wouldn't take anything before 1990 to have any strength at all with the exception of 85 and 87 to be worth much at all and that's just because of Mario 1 and Zelda 1.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OrangeCrush980 04/15/17 5:32:00 PM #10:	azuarc posted... The last question I wonder is at what point games start to become too old for site users to look back on them fondly. I was born in 1980. I remember when the NES came out. Certainly not everyone here can say that, and so for many here the SNES or the N64 or even the PS2 is their era when they look back on things with rose-tinted glasses rather than "ugh, look at those terrible old games." I can look at games like space invaders, frogger, galaxian, etc, and respect them...but to a younger gamer, they're simply primitive. I think 1990 is gonna be the cutoff year. Super Mario Bros 3 is the only NES game this site truly loves; some of the others are respected, but SMB3 is the king of Gen 3 by far. The 80s will probably stink up the field for the most part; even recent years probably win unless it's 2014 or something. --- 'I am strong... I am wise... I am handsome... And I am right! Always! More than anybody!' - Narshen, Fire Emblem: Sword of Seals http://i.imgur.com/ASJqROf.gif <cite>OrangeCrush980 posted [p:877260340] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote><cite>azuarc posted...</cite> <quote> The last question I wonder is at what point games start to become too old for site users to look back on them fondly. I was born in 1980. I remember when the NES came out. Certainly not everyone here can say that, and so for many here the SNES or the N64 or even the PS2 is their era when they look back on things with rose-tinted glasses rather than "ugh, look at those terrible old games." I can look at games like space invaders, frogger, galaxian, etc, and respect them...but to a younger gamer, they're simply primitive.</quote> I think 1990 is gonna be the cutoff year. Super Mario Bros 3 is the only NES game this site truly loves; some of the others are respected, but SMB3 is the king of Gen 3 by far. The 80s will probably stink up the field for the most part; even recent years probably win unless it's 2014 or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Surskit 04/15/17 7:01:35 PM #11:	I'm pretty sure the majority of people will vote based on match pictures, which is a scary thought and makes this unpredictable but not necessarily in a fun way. A year's strength may completely change between rounds if this is the case. --- .-#Elements of Water#-. <cite>Surskit posted [p:877265147] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>I'm pretty sure the majority of people will vote based on match pictures, which is a scary thought and makes this unpredictable but not necessarily in a fun way. A year's strength may completely change between rounds if this is the case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 04/15/17 7:56:14 PM #12:	Metal_DK posted... 1994 vs 2004 is tough for me. I went 94 because more nintendo, but times are changing and Im not quite as sure. But 1994 was my pick. Whoever wins that match easily wins their next one and probably next two matches. 2004 has no chance, sadly. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png http://i.imgur.com/xGg931n.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:877268237] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote><cite>Metal_DK posted...</cite> <quote>1994 vs 2004 is tough for me. I went 94 because more nintendo, but times are changing and Im not quite as sure. But 1994 was my pick. Whoever wins that match easily wins their next one and probably next two matches.</quote> 2004 has no chance, sadly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transcience 04/15/17 7:58:21 PM #13:	depends on who votes we'll get there --- add the c and back away iphonesience <cite>transcience posted [p:877268399] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>depends on who votes we'll get there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 04/15/17 7:59:23 PM #14:	if this site votes 1994 wins as much as I'd love to see MGS3 overturn conventions again (hey there Karma Hunter) I don't see it happening --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png http://i.imgur.com/xGg931n.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:877268455] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>if this site votes 1994 wins as much as I'd love to see MGS3 overturn conventions again (hey there Karma Hunter) I don't see it happening</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transcience 04/15/17 8:06:40 PM #15:	when I get back to it, maybe I'll write about each year's rally potential actually maybe I won't do matchups and just write about each year from a contest perspective. hmm. let's just say there will be other opportunities to write about matches! --- add the c and back away iphonesience <cite>transcience posted [p:877268879] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>when I get back to it, maybe I'll write about each year's rally potential actually maybe I won't do matchups and just write about each year from a contest perspective. hmm. let's just say there will be other opportunities to write about matches!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheeze_E_Breath 04/15/17 8:24:35 PM #16:	Do you see a rally for 2015 (Undertale) and/or 2016 (Overwatch) happening? <cite>Cheeze_E_Breath posted [p:877269820] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>Do you see a rally for 2015 (Undertale) and/or 2016 (Overwatch) happening?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 04/15/17 9:40:29 PM #17:	okay, let's redo this whole thing and just talk about years! I'm skipping everything before 1985 because whatever. 1985 top 5 games: Super Mario Bros., Duck Hunt, Ghosts n Goblins, Gauntlet, Gradius notable consoles/technology: NES GameFAQs strength: low historical importance: high rally potential: low overall: medium 1985 is basically one video game but it's the granddaddy of all video games here. SMB1 is the beginning of decent video games for most people. it's one of the greatest tests of this format. unfortunately, it drew 1987 and not some modern year like 2013. that could have been a big argument - not that 85 vs. 87 isn't, but it's old vs. old and not new vs. old. - can one game carry a year? if so, 1985 can do some damage. - how much do people care about historical importance? Mario 1 is synonymous with history and it's hard to differentiate, but it's also never had to seriously face a game made after 1989. - how many games get into the match picture? for 1985, less is more. 1986 top 5 games: uhh... notable consoles/technology: Sega Master System GameFAQs strength: low historical importance: low rally potential: low overall: low 1986 is a hilarious black hole for video games. The NES is basically just a port house for arcade games. there were no video games released between October 1985 and June 1986. the SMS launched with two games. woof. even some of the 70s years could probably beat 1986. - can 1986 break 20% on 1995? - what about 10%? 1987 top 5 games: The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!, Double Dragon, Mega Man notable consoles/technology: none GameFAQs strength: medium historical importance: medium-high rally potential: low overall: low 1987 sees the launch of many big video game franchises, but probably falls behind 1985 in importance for a.) Mario 1 and b.) the NES. personally, I think 1987 is a much bigger year for video games as it really defined the NES as opposed to one game but it's hard to argue against the king. 85 vs. 87 is a big theoretical debate that's only worth one point but is worth a long conversation. - do people really care about anything besides Zelda here? - can the combination of multiple big franchises in the 85/87 match picture outrank Mario? - what if the NES gets into the match picture? 1985 wins, right? --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:877274010] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>okay, let's redo this whole thing and just talk about years! I'm skipping everything before 1985 because whatever. 1985 top 5 games: Super Mario Bros., Duck Hunt, Ghosts n Goblins, Gauntlet, Gradius notable consoles/technology: NES GameFAQs strength: low historical importance: high rally potential: low overall: medium 1985 is basically one video game but it's the granddaddy of all video games here. SMB1 is the beginning of decent video games for most people. it's one of the greatest tests of this format. unfortunately, it drew 1987 and not some modern year like 2013. that could have been a big argument - not that 85 vs. 87 isn't, but it's old vs. old and not new vs. old. - can one game carry a year? if so, 1985 can do some damage. - how much do people care about historical importance? Mario 1 is synonymous with history and it's hard to differentiate, but it's also never had to seriously face a game made after 1989. - how many games get into the match picture? for 1985, less is more. 1986 top 5 games: uhh... notable consoles/technology: Sega Master System GameFAQs strength: low historical importance: low rally potential: low overall: low 1986 is a hilarious black hole for video games. The NES is basically just a port house for arcade games. there were no video games released between October 1985 and June 1986. the SMS launched with two games. woof. even some of the 70s years could probably beat 1986. - can 1986 break 20% on 1995? - what about 10%? 1987 top 5 games: The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!, Double Dragon, Mega Man notable consoles/technology: none GameFAQs strength: medium historical importance: medium-high rally potential: low overall: low 1987 sees the launch of many big video game franchises, but probably falls behind 1985 in importance for a.) Mario 1 and b.) the NES. personally, I think 1987 is a much bigger year for video games as it really defined the NES as opposed to one game but it's hard to argue against the king. 85 vs. 87 is a big theoretical debate that's only worth one point but is worth a long conversation. - do people really care about anything besides Zelda here? - can the combination of multiple big franchises in the 85/87 match picture outrank Mario? - what if the NES gets into the match picture? 1985 wins, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 04/15/17 10:43:36 PM #18:	transience posted... - can 1986 break 20% on 1995? - what about 10%? I'm expecting to see quite a few seismic blowouts in this contest like we saw in the Series Contest. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png http://i.imgur.com/xGg931n.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:877277413] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote><cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>- can 1986 break 20% on 1995? - what about 10%?</quote> I'm expecting to see quite a few seismic blowouts in this contest like we saw in the Series Contest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Team Rocket Elite 04/15/17 11:19:44 PM #19:	I'm in the camp that thinks consoles matter. That means 1985 has two entries with strength, not just one. I feel like the NES will tip things in favour of 1985. The NES really should make the match picture since there's very little competition but that's up to the whims of the match picture creator. "Only worth one point" probably isn't a good way to look at the match. I expect there to be multiple perfect brackets. Whether it is the final match or the first match, getting a single match wrong is likely the end of your bracket so you have take every one seriously. --- My bracket got smashed by DpObliVion. Congrats to DpObliVion for winning the BGE15 Guru Contest! <cite>Team Rocket Elite posted [p:877279375] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>I'm in the camp that thinks consoles matter. That means 1985 has two entries with strength, not just one. I feel like the NES will tip things in favour of 1985. The NES really should make the match picture since there's very little competition but that's up to the whims of the match picture creator. "Only worth one point" probably isn't a good way to look at the match. I expect there to be multiple perfect brackets. Whether it is the final match or the first match, getting a single match wrong is likely the end of your bracket so you have take every one seriously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SwiftyDC 04/15/17 11:21:42 PM #20:	tagg --- Dilated Chemist DpObliVion is the one true king of Guru's. <cite>SwiftyDC posted [p:877279467] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>tagg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 04/15/17 11:26:38 PM #21:	I don't think there will be a perfect bracket. but then, I don't think 1998 is anything close to a lock. --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:877279711] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>I don't think there will be a perfect bracket. but then, I don't think 1998 is anything close to a lock.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 04/15/17 11:27:19 PM #22:	but what I meant by that comment was that 1985 or 1987 could have been an interesting wrinkle to this contest but is only worth one point. it feels a lot like the division by era. --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:877279750] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>but what I meant by that comment was that 1985 or 1987 could have been an interesting wrinkle to this contest but is only worth one point. it feels a lot like the division by era.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 04/15/17 11:28:09 PM #23:	I think someone will get a perfect bracket because it's a small bracket and there probably won't be too many surprises. This assumes nobody interferes with the contest because naturally all bets would be off in that case. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png http://i.imgur.com/xGg931n.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:877279805] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>I think someone will get a perfect bracket because it's a small bracket and there probably won't be too many surprises. This assumes nobody interferes with the contest because naturally all bets would be off in that case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 04/15/17 11:42:52 PM #24:	1988 top 5 games: Super Mario Bros. 2, Zelda 2: Adventure of Link, Contra, Metal Gear, Bionic Commando notable consoles/technology: none GameFAQs strength: low historical importance: low rally potential: low overall: low 1988's the weak link of the 87-90 NES years. it has a Mario and a Zelda but it's not the ones you'd want. it might have done some damage if it faced a new year with a lot of western games but it drew 1991 which trumps it in every way. - how much does the Mario and Zelda names mean? - will fans differentiate between games in a big series like Mario? 1989 top 5 games: Tetris, Mega Man 2, Dragon Warrior, Ninja Gaiden, Super Mario Land notable consoles/technology: Game Boy, Genesis GameFAQs strength: low historical importance: medium rally potential: low overall: low 1989 over 1996 is a fun long-shot upset pick. 1989 had a lot of technology hit and the one-two of NES/GB Tetris and Mega Man 2 is kind of big. those are all-time games that would show well in a match pic. if you squeeze those and the game boy into a picture vs. Mario 64 and early PS1 games, that could be fun. - will ubiquitous games with a lot of historical significance do especially well? - how will people view the game boy? the NES gets a lot of hype for 1985 - what about the game boy and 1989? --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:877280628] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>1988 top 5 games: Super Mario Bros. 2, Zelda 2: Adventure of Link, Contra, Metal Gear, Bionic Commando notable consoles/technology: none GameFAQs strength: low historical importance: low rally potential: low overall: low 1988's the weak link of the 87-90 NES years. it has a Mario and a Zelda but it's not the ones you'd want. it might have done some damage if it faced a new year with a lot of western games but it drew 1991 which trumps it in every way. - how much does the Mario and Zelda names mean? - will fans differentiate between games in a big series like Mario? 1989 top 5 games: Tetris, Mega Man 2, Dragon Warrior, Ninja Gaiden, Super Mario Land notable consoles/technology: Game Boy, Genesis GameFAQs strength: low historical importance: medium rally potential: low overall: low 1989 over 1996 is a fun long-shot upset pick. 1989 had a lot of technology hit and the one-two of NES/GB Tetris and Mega Man 2 is kind of big. those are all-time games that would show well in a match pic. if you squeeze those and the game boy into a picture vs. Mario 64 and early PS1 games, that could be fun. - will ubiquitous games with a lot of historical significance do especially well? - how will people view the game boy? the NES gets a lot of hype for 1985 - what about the game boy and 1989?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 04/15/17 11:43:29 PM #25:	our vote totals are too small for there to not be any kind of interference. you don't need a mega rally to beat 20-30k votes. --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:877280661] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>our vote totals are too small for there to not be any kind of interference. you don't need a mega rally to beat 20-30k votes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 04/15/17 11:48:13 PM #26:	transience posted... our vote totals are too small for there to not be any kind of interference. you don't need a mega rally to beat 20-30k votes. Eh, I guess, although I wonder how much people will care to interfere other than for the sake of their bracket. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png http://i.imgur.com/xGg931n.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:877280883] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote><cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>our vote totals are too small for there to not be any kind of interference. you don't need a mega rally to beat 20-30k votes.</quote> Eh, I guess, although I wonder how much people will care to interfere other than for the sake of their bracket.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 04/15/17 11:50:10 PM #27:	they did it for Draven. just saying! --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:877280993] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>they did it for Draven. just saying!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 04/15/17 11:59:38 PM #28:	Eh, League of Legends is a totally different thing. 2015 is the year to worry about if anything's going to happen. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png http://i.imgur.com/xGg931n.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:877281466] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>Eh, League of Legends is a totally different thing. 2015 is the year to worry about if anything's going to happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 04/16/17 12:02:45 AM #29:	LeonhartFour posted... 2015 is the year to worry about if anything's going to happen. Why 2015? 2016 is the one I'd be more worried about. --- Congrats to 2015 Guru champ DpObliVion! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:877281608] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote><cite>LeonhartFour posted...</cite> <quote>2015 is the year to worry about if anything's going to happen.</quote> Why 2015? 2016 is the one I'd be more worried about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
psaltery 04/16/17 12:04:26 AM #30:	Consoles should matter if the voters are reminded of them through match pictures ... --- Psalm 73:20: As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image. <cite>psaltery posted [p:877281687] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>Consoles should matter if the voters are reminded of them through match pictures ...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 04/16/17 12:06:33 AM #31:	Xeybozn posted... Why 2015? Life is Strange and Undertale, a.k.a. double Tumblr bait --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png http://i.imgur.com/xGg931n.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:877281811] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote><cite>Xeybozn posted...</cite> <quote>Why 2015?</quote> Life is Strange and Undertale, a.k.a. double Tumblr bait</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 04/16/17 12:07:38 AM #32:	heh, where's my match pic --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:877281867] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>heh, where's my match pic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 04/16/17 7:31:11 AM #33:	1990 top 5 games: Super Mario Bros. 3, Final Fantasy, Mega Man 3, Dr. Mario, Castlevania 3 notable consoles/technology: Neo-Geo GameFAQs strength: medium historical importance: medium rally potential: low overall: medium Mario 3 is almost like a console launch in and of itself. it's the crown jewel of the NES and the first video game that truly matters on this site. Final Fantasy is a notable launch as well. there's a good Mega Man and several other notable games not listed here. 1990 vs. 2000 is one of the few matchups between the early years and the 2000s. who you pick depends entirely on how much you think the site values the NES. - does 1990 get bonus points for Mario 3 being such a breakthrough game? - does Final Fantasy resonate with people today? - 1990 is 27 years ago. is that too old for folks here? that's going to be the defining question in its matchup vs. 2000. 1991 top 5 games: Super Mario World, Sonic the Hedgehog, Street Fighter II, Final Fantasy IV, Super Castlevania IV notable consoles/technology: SNES GameFAQs strength: medium historical importance: high rally potential: low overall: medium-high 1991 could be really strong. there's something about a picture of Mario and Sonic along with the SNES that could really resonate hard. there's also big games like SF2 and FF4. you wouldn't put any of these games besides Mario World on a pedestal in a game contest but combine Mario and Sonic and this comes off as being a hugely notable year. I think you can make a solid argument for 1991 to make it to the semifinals. 1988 is an easy round 1 opponent. 2002 should be interesting - Prime, KH and Vice City are probably stronger combined but 2002 doesn't have the SNES nor a headliner like Mario World. from there, it could face a number of years - 1994 is probably the most interesting theoretically because you'd be looking at the two biggest 16-bit years. Mario World vs. Super Metroid, Sonic 1 vs. Sonic 3, FF4 vs. FF6. again, edge 1994 in games but dat SNES. - how much does the SNES matter? - does 1991 get bonus points for being the height of the Mario/Sonic rivalry? - how influential will people see SF2? it's hugely important but SF2 has never been nearly as popular as it seems like it should. - can FF4 get into the match picture when the real story is Mario and Sonic? --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:877294068] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>1990 top 5 games: Super Mario Bros. 3, Final Fantasy, Mega Man 3, Dr. Mario, Castlevania 3 notable consoles/technology: Neo-Geo GameFAQs strength: medium historical importance: medium rally potential: low overall: medium Mario 3 is almost like a console launch in and of itself. it's the crown jewel of the NES and the first video game that truly matters on this site. Final Fantasy is a notable launch as well. there's a good Mega Man and several other notable games not listed here. 1990 vs. 2000 is one of the few matchups between the early years and the 2000s. who you pick depends entirely on how much you think the site values the NES. - does 1990 get bonus points for Mario 3 being such a breakthrough game? - does Final Fantasy resonate with people today? - 1990 is 27 years ago. is that too old for folks here? that's going to be the defining question in its matchup vs. 2000. 1991 top 5 games: Super Mario World, Sonic the Hedgehog, Street Fighter II, Final Fantasy IV, Super Castlevania IV notable consoles/technology: SNES GameFAQs strength: medium historical importance: high rally potential: low overall: medium-high 1991 could be really strong. there's something about a picture of Mario and Sonic along with the SNES that could really resonate hard. there's also big games like SF2 and FF4. you wouldn't put any of these games besides Mario World on a pedestal in a game contest but combine Mario and Sonic and this comes off as being a hugely notable year. I think you can make a solid argument for 1991 to make it to the semifinals. 1988 is an easy round 1 opponent. 2002 should be interesting - Prime, KH and Vice City are probably stronger combined but 2002 doesn't have the SNES nor a headliner like Mario World. from there, it could face a number of years - 1994 is probably the most interesting theoretically because you'd be looking at the two biggest 16-bit years. Mario World vs. Super Metroid, Sonic 1 vs. Sonic 3, FF4 vs. FF6. again, edge 1994 in games but dat SNES. - how much does the SNES matter? - does 1991 get bonus points for being the height of the Mario/Sonic rivalry? - how influential will people see SF2? it's hugely important but SF2 has never been nearly as popular as it seems like it should. - can FF4 get into the match picture when the real story is Mario and Sonic?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 04/16/17 7:35:02 AM #34:	azuarc posted... And will anyone look beyond the minor list of games that GameFAQs provides for the deeper list, or does it not ever matter to begin with? Not enough to change the match results, I can tell you that much! --- Tombolo Friends of the friendless, seize the day! The problem is the racism against cute Pokemon.- Luster Soldier <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:877294159] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote><cite>azuarc posted...</cite> <quote>And will anyone look beyond the minor list of games that GameFAQs provides for the deeper list, or does it not ever matter to begin with?</quote> Not enough to change the match results, I can tell you that much!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Team Rocket Elite 04/16/17 2:14:00 PM #35:	I feel like Mario 3's strength already factors in any disadvantages from being really old. The playrate from the game here is still nearly 90%: https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6038-got-super-mario-bros-3 I think the SNES matters a lot for 1991. But 1994 is so strong that this might only make 1991 competitive with 1994. This is definitely one of the matches that I'm struggling with. --- My bracket got smashed by DpObliVion. Congrats to DpObliVion for winning the BGE15 Guru Contest! <cite>Team Rocket Elite posted [p:877309041] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>I feel like Mario 3's strength already factors in any disadvantages from being really old. The playrate from the game here is still nearly 90%: https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6038-got-super-mario-bros-3 I think the SNES matters a lot for 1991. But 1994 is so strong that this might only make 1991 competitive with 1994. This is definitely one of the matches that I'm struggling with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 04/16/17 2:34:45 PM #36:	Just wait, 1992's going to make a run on the back of "Ooh, Sonic 2 and Mortal Kombat and damn the 90s were fun" nostalgia (and then it will unfortunately smack headfirst into 1998) --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:877310125] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>Just wait, 1992's going to make a run on the back of "Ooh, Sonic 2 and Mortal Kombat and damn the 90s were fun" nostalgia (and then it will unfortunately smack headfirst into 1998)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 04/16/17 3:04:24 PM #37:	1992 top 5 games: Zelda: Link to the Past, Sonic 2, Super Mario Kart, Wolfenstein 3d, Mortal Kombat notable consoles/technology: none GameFAQs strength: medium historical importance: low-medium rally potential: low overall: medium 1992 has one all-timer and a couple of decent games. LTTP is a top 10er, maybe top 5 in this new Zelda-charged environment. It can carry a year for sure. The rest aren't great - MK isn't that strong here, Wolf3d can't really do much in this console-only 90s world, and Sonic 2/SMK aren't THAT great. I'd look to 1991 to beat 1992 even with lesser games just because it's the introduction of Sonic and the SNES. 1992 has a pretty defined path - 2016 is pretty darn weak barring a rally and 1998 is, well, 1998. - can LTTP carry the whole year? - nostalgia is 1992's greatest strength - can it do anything? oh wait it's against 1998 next 1993 top 5 games: Doom, Zelda: Link's Awakening, Mortal Kombat 2, Star Fox, Secret of Mana notable consoles/technology: none GameFAQs strength: low historical importance: medium rally potential: low-medium overall: low for a lot of people, Doom is a seminal game, a top 10 of all time kind of game. on another site, you might see Doom carry a year alone just because of how important it is. but this is GameFAQs. It'll get votes from some people who recognize the craft, but 1993 is the weak link in the 16-bit generation and goes up against 1998 up front. maybe it does something against a 2000s year but not 98. - can Doom win some people over? - can it clear 30% on 1998? --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:877311723] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>1992 top 5 games: Zelda: Link to the Past, Sonic 2, Super Mario Kart, Wolfenstein 3d, Mortal Kombat notable consoles/technology: none GameFAQs strength: medium historical importance: low-medium rally potential: low overall: medium 1992 has one all-timer and a couple of decent games. LTTP is a top 10er, maybe top 5 in this new Zelda-charged environment. It can carry a year for sure. The rest aren't great - MK isn't that strong here, Wolf3d can't really do much in this console-only 90s world, and Sonic 2/SMK aren't THAT great. I'd look to 1991 to beat 1992 even with lesser games just because it's the introduction of Sonic and the SNES. 1992 has a pretty defined path - 2016 is pretty darn weak barring a rally and 1998 is, well, 1998. - can LTTP carry the whole year? - nostalgia is 1992's greatest strength - can it do anything? oh wait it's against 1998 next 1993 top 5 games: Doom, Zelda: Link's Awakening, Mortal Kombat 2, Star Fox, Secret of Mana notable consoles/technology: none GameFAQs strength: low historical importance: medium rally potential: low-medium overall: low for a lot of people, Doom is a seminal game, a top 10 of all time kind of game. on another site, you might see Doom carry a year alone just because of how important it is. but this is GameFAQs. It'll get votes from some people who recognize the craft, but 1993 is the weak link in the 16-bit generation and goes up against 1998 up front. maybe it does something against a 2000s year but not 98. - can Doom win some people over? - can it clear 30% on 1998?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
azuarc 04/16/17 7:18:45 PM #38:	transience posted... - can one game carry a year? if so, 1985 can do some damage. - how much do people care about historical importance? Mario 1 is synonymous with history and it's hard to differentiate, but it's also never had to seriously face a game made after 1989. - how many games get into the match picture? for 1985, less is more. I think one game can carry a year if the other year is weak. It's like a high school game where the one team is a bunch of shlubs alongside a future pro player. Can you lose all the other match-ups on the court and still prevail? Only if that one guy is damn good and takes over the game, which is going to depend on how badly the other match-ups are lost. I think '87 has too many tier 2 games for Mario to stand up to. transience posted... - do people really care about anything besides Zelda here? - can the combination of multiple big franchises in the 85/87 match picture outrank Mario? - what if the NES gets into the match picture? 1985 wins, right? I think so. '87 has Punch-out and Metroid. And then Castlevania and Mega Man as back-up. While the originals in those franchises (besides Punch-out) aren't their magnum opuses, they represent some very solid IPs and I think the collective weight of them can bury Mario if he's got not support. The only support Mario has in '85 is the NES itself. Team Rocket Elite posted... "Only worth one point" probably isn't a good way to look at the match. I expect there to be multiple perfect brackets. Whether it is the final match or the first match, getting a single match wrong is likely the end of your bracket so you have take every one seriously. Agreed. And I suspect I'm going to gamble one too many times to have a chance. I never listen to what everyone else is telling me, and then pick some strange calls I feel really good about until the match comes up and I get slaughtered. That's why I'm trying to look for analysis now. <cite>azuarc posted [p:877325067] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote><cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>- can one game carry a year? if so, 1985 can do some damage. - how much do people care about historical importance? Mario 1 is synonymous with history and it's hard to differentiate, but it's also never had to seriously face a game made after 1989. - how many games get into the match picture? for 1985, less is more.</quote> I think one game can carry a year if the other year is weak. It's like a high school game where the one team is a bunch of shlubs alongside a future pro player. Can you lose all the other match-ups on the court and still prevail? Only if that one guy is damn good and takes over the game, which is going to depend on how badly the other match-ups are lost. I think '87 has too many tier 2 games for Mario to stand up to. <cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>- do people really care about anything besides Zelda here? - can the combination of multiple big franchises in the 85/87 match picture outrank Mario? - what if the NES gets into the match picture? 1985 wins, right?</quote> I think so. '87 has Punch-out and Metroid. And then Castlevania and Mega Man as back-up. While the originals in those franchises (besides Punch-out) aren't their magnum opuses, they represent some very solid IPs and I think the collective weight of them can bury Mario if he's got not support. The only support Mario has in '85 is the NES itself. <cite>Team Rocket Elite posted...</cite> <quote>"Only worth one point" probably isn't a good way to look at the match. I expect there to be multiple perfect brackets. Whether it is the final match or the first match, getting a single match wrong is likely the end of your bracket so you have take every one seriously.</quote> Agreed. And I suspect I'm going to gamble one too many times to have a chance. I never listen to what everyone else is telling me, and then pick some strange calls I feel really good about until the match comes up and I get slaughtered. That's why I'm trying to look for analysis now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
azuarc 04/16/17 7:31:50 PM #39:	transience posted... 1989 over 1996 is a fun long-shot upset pick..... if you squeeze those and the game boy into a picture vs. Mario 64 and early PS1 games, that could be fun. Strangely, I had this pick originally until I stopped and thought about it and came to my senses. I don't think '96 wins round 2, but this is a case where one game can carry a year. Mega Man 2 as the star, backed up by DQ1 and Golden Axe, is not going to beat Mario 64 and the N64 itself. This is like '85 on steroids. (And I still might pick '87 to win that match.) transience posted... - does 1990 get bonus points for Mario 3 being such a breakthrough game? - does Final Fantasy resonate with people today? - 1990 is 27 years ago. is that too old for folks here? that's going to be the defining question in its matchup vs. 2000. It does with me, not at all, and distinctly likely, in that order. transience posted... - how much does the SNES matter? - does 1991 get bonus points for being the height of the Mario/Sonic rivalry? - how influential will people see SF2? it's hugely important but SF2 has never been nearly as popular as it seems like it should. - can FF4 get into the match picture when the real story is Mario and Sonic? If consoles matter, SNES is going to be key. I doubt the rivalry itself will matter, but I do suspect that people will take note of Mario and Sonic together there. SF2 might not be enough to garner interest on gamefaqs, but I think players will appreciate it as iconic enough to count for something. And yes, I imagine FF4 rounds out the top 4. If I were the match pic designer, I'd put each of these in a quadrant and the SNES in the center. I'm predicting '91 could do some real damage. transience posted... - nostalgia is 1992's greatest strength - can it do anything? oh wait it's against 1998 next yep. Sadly. '92 probably deserves better than to be fed to the giant this early. transience posted... - can Doom win some people over? - can it clear 30% on 1998? Not a chance. This isn't Gamespy. When Title Bout (or whatever that was called) ran over there, Doom was the overall #1 seed and barely lost to Mario 3 in the semis, which in turn got crushed by Half-Life. But that was also the only instance in that whole contest of an FPS losing to a non-FPS and it was by two votes. Doom's got nothin' here. The rest of '93 comes up pretty empty. When people ask me my favorite game, I name something from '93 that isn't even listed (although Tranny mentions it,) but I'm under no illusion that Link's Awakening or Star Fox will do anything...especially when OoT is the opponent. <cite>azuarc posted [p:877325771] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote><cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>1989 over 1996 is a fun long-shot upset pick..... if you squeeze those and the game boy into a picture vs. Mario 64 and early PS1 games, that could be fun.</quote> Strangely, I had this pick originally until I stopped and thought about it and came to my senses. I don't think '96 wins round 2, but this is a case where one game can carry a year. Mega Man 2 as the star, backed up by DQ1 and Golden Axe, is not going to beat Mario 64 and the N64 itself. This is like '85 on steroids. (And I still might pick '87 to win that match.) <cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>- does 1990 get bonus points for Mario 3 being such a breakthrough game? - does Final Fantasy resonate with people today? - 1990 is 27 years ago. is that too old for folks here? that's going to be the defining question in its matchup vs. 2000.</quote> It does with me, not at all, and distinctly likely, in that order. <cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>- how much does the SNES matter? - does 1991 get bonus points for being the height of the Mario/Sonic rivalry? - how influential will people see SF2? it's hugely important but SF2 has never been nearly as popular as it seems like it should. - can FF4 get into the match picture when the real story is Mario and Sonic?</quote> If consoles matter, SNES is going to be key. I doubt the rivalry itself will matter, but I do suspect that people will take note of Mario and Sonic together there. SF2 might not be enough to garner interest on gamefaqs, but I think players will appreciate it as iconic enough to count for something. And yes, I imagine FF4 rounds out the top 4. If I were the match pic designer, I'd put each of these in a quadrant and the SNES in the center. I'm predicting '91 could do some real damage. <cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>- nostalgia is 1992's greatest strength - can it do anything? oh wait it's against 1998 next</quote> yep. Sadly. '92 probably deserves better than to be fed to the giant this early. <cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>- can Doom win some people over? - can it clear 30% on 1998?</quote> Not a chance. This isn't Gamespy. When Title Bout (or whatever that was called) ran over there, Doom was the overall #1 seed and barely lost to Mario 3 in the semis, which in turn got crushed by Half-Life. But that was also the only instance in that whole contest of an FPS losing to a non-FPS and it was by two votes. Doom's got nothin' here. The rest of '93 comes up pretty empty. When people ask me my favorite game, I name something from '93 that isn't even listed (although Tranny mentions it,) but I'm under no illusion that Link's Awakening or Star Fox will do anything...especially when OoT is the opponent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 04/16/17 7:56:51 PM #40:	Don't underestimate 1996. <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:877327218] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>Don't underestimate 1996.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 04/16/17 8:08:32 PM #41:	1994 top 5 games: Final Fantasy VI, Super Metroid, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Donkey Kong Country, Mega Man X notable consoles/technology: none GameFAQs strength: high historical importance: medium rally potential: low overall: high 1994 is a monster! it's the definitive SNES year with many big franchises maturing. it doesn't have Mario or Zelda but it does have DKC and Super Metroid. DKC was a lot bigger in 94 than today but Super Metroid has grown and grown and is now right there on Zelda's level as shown in the last contest. FF6 is a borderline top 10 game and has also shown that it can beat mainline Zeldas. Sonic's best game came out?, and Mega Man X happened. there's also other stuff like Doom 2, the definitive version of Street Fighter 2, Phantasy Star 4, etc. it really comes down to what gets shown. - is the best SNES year enough to beat a big year from the PS2? 2004 is sneaky good, though I think it's lost some of its luster over the years. a lot of those games are western and those games generally aren't as timeless as the japanese stuff, certainly on this site. - if it beats 2004, it gets 2011. Skyrim might be on FF6's level these days and there's a Zelda in the mix there too. 94 would be the favorite but I never feel too comfortable without a Mario or a Zelda. - if it wins those, it gets 1991 and the SNES. 1994 might be the most exciting year in the bracket. it gets three legit matches before running into 98. 1995 top 5 games: Chrono Trigger, Yoshi's Island, Earthbound, Donkey Kong Country 2, Mortal Kombat 3 notable consoles/technology: PS1 GameFAQs strength: medium historical importance: medium rally potential: medium overall: high? it's all about Chrono Trigger. Chrono Trigger was the star of the last contest. Undertale had the rally but Chrono Trigger was a killer. it might have beaten FF7. it was #3 on the site at the worst. CT always has the killer pictures that will win people over. it's also got the PS1 launch, but I don't feel like the PS1 launch means as much as others. the PS1 didn't really hit it off until 96 and 97. if people do think that, though, CT and the PS1 is a killer one-two. - how much does one game matter? 95 is at the top of the bracket so it will lead us to a lot of conclusions. 95 is probably the one year where one game will turn the fortune of an entire year. I mean, that's true for 85 more than anything but who cares about 85? - 95 gets two matches it can sleepwalk through until it hits 2001 and its lineup of killers. CT already doubled one of its two biggest games, FFX, and was whipping Melee before a rally barely beat it. can CT get revenge? - can these other games contribute? I kinda question DKC2 or Yoshi's Island, but Earthbound will certainly help. --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:877327830] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>1994 top 5 games: Final Fantasy VI, Super Metroid, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Donkey Kong Country, Mega Man X notable consoles/technology: none GameFAQs strength: high historical importance: medium rally potential: low overall: high 1994 is a monster! it's the definitive SNES year with many big franchises maturing. it doesn't have Mario or Zelda but it does have DKC and Super Metroid. DKC was a lot bigger in 94 than today but Super Metroid has grown and grown and is now right there on Zelda's level as shown in the last contest. FF6 is a borderline top 10 game and has also shown that it can beat mainline Zeldas. Sonic's best game came out?, and Mega Man X happened. there's also other stuff like Doom 2, the definitive version of Street Fighter 2, Phantasy Star 4, etc. it really comes down to what gets shown. - is the best SNES year enough to beat a big year from the PS2? 2004 is sneaky good, though I think it's lost some of its luster over the years. a lot of those games are western and those games generally aren't as timeless as the japanese stuff, certainly on this site. - if it beats 2004, it gets 2011. Skyrim might be on FF6's level these days and there's a Zelda in the mix there too. 94 would be the favorite but I never feel too comfortable without a Mario or a Zelda. - if it wins those, it gets 1991 and the SNES. 1994 might be the most exciting year in the bracket. it gets three legit matches before running into 98. 1995 top 5 games: Chrono Trigger, Yoshi's Island, Earthbound, Donkey Kong Country 2, Mortal Kombat 3 notable consoles/technology: PS1 GameFAQs strength: medium historical importance: medium rally potential: medium overall: high? it's all about Chrono Trigger. Chrono Trigger was the star of the last contest. Undertale had the rally but Chrono Trigger was a killer. it might have beaten FF7. it was #3 on the site at the worst. CT always has the killer pictures that will win people over. it's also got the PS1 launch, but I don't feel like the PS1 launch means as much as others. the PS1 didn't really hit it off until 96 and 97. if people do think that, though, CT and the PS1 is a killer one-two. - how much does one game matter? 95 is at the top of the bracket so it will lead us to a lot of conclusions. 95 is probably the one year where one game will turn the fortune of an entire year. I mean, that's true for 85 more than anything but who cares about 85? - 95 gets two matches it can sleepwalk through until it hits 2001 and its lineup of killers. CT already doubled one of its two biggest games, FFX, and was whipping Melee before a rally barely beat it. can CT get revenge? - can these other games contribute? I kinda question DKC2 or Yoshi's Island, but Earthbound will certainly help.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeldaTPLink 04/16/17 8:09:29 PM #42:	transience posted... 1989 doesn't have any killers -- its best is Tetris which didn't even really come out in 1989 -- so it probably isn't great. but it's also the year the Genesis, GB and TG16 came out. meanwhile, 1983 is the year the video game market crashed. hmm! Mega Man 2. It's awfully popular among retro gaers. Not that there are many NES gamers here, but it is a start. --- DDL <cite>ZeldaTPLink posted [p:877327880] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote><cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote> 1989 doesn't have any killers -- its best is Tetris which didn't even really come out in 1989 -- so it probably isn't great. but it's also the year the Genesis, GB and TG16 came out. meanwhile, 1983 is the year the video game market crashed. hmm!</quote> Mega Man 2. It's awfully popular among retro gaers. Not that there are many NES gamers here, but it is a start.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transcience 04/16/17 8:17:13 PM #43:	I got suckered by Mega Man 2 once too. --- add the c and back away iphonesience <cite>transcience posted [p:877328302] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>I got suckered by Mega Man 2 once too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeldaTPLink 04/16/17 8:18:20 PM #44:	transcience posted... I got suckered by Mega Man 2 once too. The competition is literally 1983. --- DDL <cite>ZeldaTPLink posted [p:877328380] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote><cite>transcience posted...</cite> <quote>I got suckered by Mega Man 2 once too.</quote> The competition is literally 1983.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transcience 04/16/17 8:20:09 PM #45:	oh. 89 doesn't need mm2 to beat 83. that's just a fun what if. --- add the c and back away iphonesience <cite>transcience posted [p:877328472] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>oh. 89 doesn't need mm2 to beat 83. that's just a fun what if.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 04/16/17 8:21:37 PM #46:	96 > 89 > 83 is close to a lock imo <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:877328555] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>96 > 89 > 83 is close to a lock imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeldaTPLink 04/16/17 8:34:41 PM #47:	I'm looking at 1991 vs 1994 and realizing I'm betting everything on console power. I'm also changing my bracket to 1985 > 1987 to stay consistent with that. --- DDL <cite>ZeldaTPLink posted [p:877329331] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>I'm looking at 1991 vs 1994 and realizing I'm betting everything on console power. I'm also changing my bracket to 1985 > 1987 to stay consistent with that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 04/16/17 8:41:13 PM #48:	I get the feeling 1985 being NES Year 1 is gonna hold more weight than people would think --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:877329687] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>I get the feeling 1985 being NES Year 1 is gonna hold more weight than people would think</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 04/16/17 8:42:57 PM #49:	I don't think the year of console launches matters at all. <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:877329795] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>I don't think the year of console launches matters at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeldaTPLink 04/16/17 8:47:11 PM #50:	I dunno, I see it more as if people are gauging whether they like the console more than the game, not about the launch itself. And it doesn't make sense for a game to be better than its own console (unless it's something like Ocarina). --- DDL <cite>ZeldaTPLink posted [p:877330054] in transience... [t:75241465]...</cite> <quote>I dunno, I see it more as if people are gauging whether they like the console more than the game, not about the launch itself. And it doesn't make sense for a game to be better than its own console (unless it's something like Ocarina).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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