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Rob Cesternino 04/22/17 5:17:23 PM #1: |
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-on-the-new-book-that-brutalizes-the-clinton-campaign-w477978
There is a critical scene in Shattered, the new behind-the-scenes campaign diary by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes, in which staffers in the Hillary Clinton campaign begin to bicker with one another. At the end of Chapter One, which is entirely about that campaign's exhausting and fruitless search for a plausible explanation for why Hillary was running, writers Allen and Parnes talk about the infighting problem. "All of the jockeying might have been all right, but for a root problem that confounded everyone on the campaign and outside it," they wrote. "Hillary had been running for president for almost a decade and still didn't really have a rationale." Allen and Parnes here quoted a Clinton aide who jokingly summed up Clinton's real motivation: "I would have had a reason for running," one of her top aides said, "or I wouldn't have run." The beleaguered Clinton staff spent the better part of two years trying to roll this insane tautology – "I have a reason for running because no one runs without a reason" – into the White House. It was a Beltway take on the classic Descartes formulation: "I seek re-election, therefore I am... seeking re-election." Shattered is sourced almost entirely to figures inside the Clinton campaign who were and are deeply loyal to Clinton. Yet those sources tell of a campaign that spent nearly two years paralyzed by simple existential questions: Why are we running? What do we stand for?... ...In the Clinton run, that problem became such a millstone around the neck of the campaign that staffers began to flirt with the idea of sharing the uninspiring truth with voters. Stumped for months by how to explain why their candidate wanted to be president, Clinton staffers began toying with the idea of seeing how "Because it's her turn" might fly as a public rallying cry. --- Stop asking me if I'm Jessica Simpson. Jewish girls Survivor is the greatest show EVER. are hawt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkprince45 04/22/17 5:18:37 PM #2: |
If there's one thing I saw from Clinton and a lot of her supporters is that they're entitled af
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The Admiral 04/22/17 5:23:39 PM #3: |
@ASithLord7
Where's Rebel? He claims the Hillary campaign never wanted to use this slogan. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 04/22/17 5:24:28 PM #4: |
"Hillary Clinton ran a terrible campaign with terrible ideas...more at 11"
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rookieplayer03 04/22/17 5:28:15 PM #5: |
I know a couple people who said she deserved to be president.
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Evolician 04/22/17 5:33:50 PM #6: |
I thought that was her slogan. I could swear I heard and saw it all over the place.
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SomeLikeItHoth 04/22/17 5:38:40 PM #7: |
The Admiral posted...
Where's Rebel? He claims the Hillary campaign never wanted to use this slogan. Admiral, if you were in charge of the Clinton campaign, what slogan would you have coined? --- The GOAT Fam 2017! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Key 04/22/17 5:39:06 PM #8: |
The only reason she even beat Bernie is because Democrats felt it was her turn.
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JE19426 04/22/17 5:42:51 PM #9: |
Hey OP your source doesn't support the claim you made in the title.
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The Admiral 04/22/17 5:57:41 PM #10: |
SomeLikeItHoth posted...
The Admiral posted...Where's Rebel? He claims the Hillary campaign never wanted to use this slogan. "Keep Moving Forward" --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlisLandale 04/22/17 5:58:25 PM #11: |
"If you'd like to know our Campaign Slogan, sign up for my Email newsletter"
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Psycho_Poodle 04/22/17 5:58:49 PM #12: |
"waaah benghazi and emails waaaahh"
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Iodine 04/22/17 5:59:59 PM #13: |
Psycho_Poodle posted...
"waaah benghazi and emails waaaahh" She should have ran a better campaign and the DNC should have done more to challenge voter suppression. --- In Belichick we Trust ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blackstar110 04/22/17 6:01:54 PM #14: |
The Admiral posted...
SomeLikeItHoth posted...The Admiral posted...Where's Rebel? He claims the Hillary campaign never wanted to use this slogan. That's fairly basic and elementary, and yet still would've been 10000x better than "I'm With Her," which was incredibly alienating and made it all about Hillary/her diehards as opposed to about the movement, the people, or the country. This was the most well-executed campaign art of the season for that exact reason: https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/US-2-1.jpg --- -Shred ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ASithLord7 04/22/17 6:23:37 PM #15: |
The Admiral posted...
@ASithLord7 No, I said it was never a slogan, since so many mouthbreathers seem to think it was. "Some staffers toyed with the idea" =/= "it was an official campaign slogan." --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wolf_J_Flywheel 04/22/17 6:33:41 PM #16: |
Well that was her only reason for wanting to be president. She thought it was owed to her. She could never give an answer to "why are you running?". At least Trump had "make America great again".
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ASithLord7 04/22/17 6:51:37 PM #17: |
Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Well that was her only reason for wanting to be president. She thought it was owed to her. She could never give an answer to "why are you running?". At least Trump had "make America great again". Wrong. --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Microwaved_Eggs 04/23/17 10:52:25 PM #18: |
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ManSpread 04/23/17 10:56:23 PM #19: |
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Hash-Brown 04/23/17 10:56:52 PM #20: |
ASithLord7 posted...
The Admiral posted...@ASithLord7 Never a slogan but so many of her supporters loved to use it. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chicken 04/23/17 10:58:39 PM #21: |
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ASithLord7 04/23/17 10:59:04 PM #22: |
Hash-Brown posted...
ASithLord7 posted...The Admiral posted...@ASithLord7 99% of the time I ever saw it used was Trumpeteers using it mockingly because they thought it was a thing rather than people using it unironically. --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gafemage 04/23/17 10:59:12 PM #23: |
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Maeiv 04/23/17 11:01:46 PM #24: |
Clinton had more than 2x the campaign finances than Trump and still lost.
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TheFuzz3451 04/23/17 11:08:48 PM #25: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
"Hillary Clinton ran a terrible campaign with terrible ideas...more at 11" Eh, I have to admit I am a bit curious on the details. --- You're only as sick as your secrets, but the truth shall set you free. The truth is the truth, so all you can do is live with it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cawmaster5 04/23/17 11:09:08 PM #26: |
ASithLord7 posted...
Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...Well that was her only reason for wanting to be president. She thought it was owed to her. She could never give an answer to "why are you running?". At least Trump had "make America great again". lol that's definitely the reason. still salty she lost to barry all those years ago --- Indy Colts: OSU Buckeyes: ... Copied to Clipboard!
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unclekoolaid73 04/23/17 11:12:32 PM #27: |
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Hash-Brown 04/23/17 11:13:44 PM #29: |
ASithLord7 posted...
Hash-Brown posted...ASithLord7 posted...The Admiral posted...@ASithLord7 Sure. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheFuzz3451 04/23/17 11:21:41 PM #30: |
In May of 2015, as Hillary was planning her first major TV interview – an address the campaign hoped would put to rest criticism Hillary was avoiding the press over the burgeoning email scandal – communications chief Jennifer Palmieri asked Huma Abedin to ask Hillary who she wanted to conduct the interview. (There are a lot of these games of "telephone" in the book, as only a tiny group of people had access to the increasingly secretive candidate.)
The answer that came back was that Hillary wanted to do the interview with "Brianna." Palmieri took this to mean CNN's Brianna Keilar, and worked to set up the interview, which aired on July 7th of that year. Unfortunately, Keilar was not particularly gentle in her conduct of the interview. Among other things, she asked Hillary questions like, "Would you vote for someone you didn't trust?" An aide describes Hillary as "staring daggers" at Keilar. Internally, the interview was viewed as a disaster. It turns out now it was all a mistake. Hillary had not wanted Brianna Keilar as an interviewer, but Bianna Golodryga of Yahoo! News, an excellent interviewer in her own right, but also one who happens to be the spouse of longtime Clinton administration aide Peter Orszag. Dear god that's straight out of a sitcom, if it's true --- You're only as sick as your secrets, but the truth shall set you free. The truth is the truth, so all you can do is live with it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 04/23/17 11:26:11 PM #31: |
TheFuzz3451 posted...
Dear god that's straight out of a sitcom, if it's true Veep, not House of Cards or the West Wing, is the most accurate show about politics. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Esrac 04/23/17 11:28:27 PM #32: |
Blackstar110 posted...
The Admiral posted...SomeLikeItHoth posted...The Admiral posted...Where's Rebel? He claims the Hillary campaign never wanted to use this slogan. Basic and elementary isn't exactly a negative when it comes to campaign slogans. Make America Great Again is very simple, but also very effective. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 04/23/17 11:29:08 PM #33: |
Reading Shattered right now.
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weapon_d00d816 04/23/17 11:29:46 PM #34: |
SomeLikeItHoth posted...
The Admiral posted...Where's Rebel? He claims the Hillary campaign never wanted to use this slogan. "We're not Trump" --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 04/23/17 11:44:02 PM #35: |
Keep moving forward would have been a perfectly fine line.
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Cartwheel_Kick 04/23/17 11:48:17 PM #36: |
It will be funny, yet sad when she finally ends in a mental asylum.
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I Like Toast 04/23/17 11:48:40 PM #37: |
SomeLikeItHoth posted...
The Admiral posted...Where's Rebel? He claims the Hillary campaign never wanted to use this slogan. "I'm not a cheetoh, also hello Wisconsin" --- If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ASithLord7 04/23/17 11:52:30 PM #38: |
Cartwheel_Kick posted...
It will be funny, yet sad when she finally ends in a mental asylum. Durr --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scoobydoobydont 04/23/17 11:53:18 PM #39: |
So? It was.
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Ving_Rhames 04/23/17 11:57:55 PM #40: |
Imagine still talking about that irrelevant snob in 2017
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Steve Nick 04/24/17 12:03:00 AM #41: |
Blackstar110 posted...
The Admiral posted... Blackstar110 posted... The Admiral posted...SomeLikeItHoth posted...The Admiral posted...Where's Rebel? He claims the Hillary campaign never wanted to use this slogan. The slogan wasn't the most important part of the equation.. What mattered there is that people -believed- Bernie when he said that. --- This is my signature. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterpug53 04/24/17 12:20:39 AM #42: |
Cartwheel_Kick posted...
It will be funny, yet sad when she finally ends in a mental asylum. And even funnier yet sadder when she still insists on running for president while committed. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 04/24/17 12:23:49 AM #43: |
The Admiral posted...
SomeLikeItHoth posted...The Admiral posted...Where's Rebel? He claims the Hillary campaign never wanted to use this slogan. *Keep America Moving Forward Would have been the perfect counter to MAGA --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Microwaved_Eggs 04/24/17 12:25:52 AM #44: |
The Admiral posted...
The Admiral posted...SomeLikeItHoth posted...The Admiral posted...Where's Rebel? He claims the Hillary campaign never wanted to use this slogan. whoa thats actually a really good idea --- No rights reserved. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hash-Brown 04/24/17 12:30:06 AM #45: |
masterpug53 posted...
Cartwheel_Kick posted...It will be funny, yet sad when she finally ends in a mental asylum. She would pick Nurse Ratched as the Surgeon General. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AdmiralZephyr 04/24/17 12:30:27 AM #46: |
How are you enjoying this season?
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