Current Events > FACT: DB Super Krillin is at least as strong as a Super Saiyan

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Solar_Crimson posted...

megamanzero1000 posted...

Super is not canon and should not be taken seriously.

Super is undeniably canon.

This is the sad part
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Master Roshi receiving an incredible buff of power
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Trumpo posted...

Master Roshi receiving an incredible buff of power

No. It's Tobi's (from okami) true form!
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bump
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So is Super right after DBZ or does GT still count?
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ColdOne666 posted...

So is Super right after DBZ or does GT still count?

It's set after the defeat of Majin Buu, but before the final tournament at the very end of DBZ.

GT is not canon.
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GT makes more sense
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Spoiler request:

Can somebody tell me what is super krillin? Is it actually a form?
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He grows a nose
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GoatHunter posted...

Spoiler request:

Can somebody tell me what is super krillin? Is it actually a form?

It is krillan from DB Super. Nothing more.
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kewldude475 posted...

I don't even care about power scaling anymore. Bottom line is Krillin's been putting in mad work, and 18's been whipping him into shape. He's dope and so is Dragon Ball Super the fight scenes and choreography are more well done than Z and it doesn't take 10 episodes to have a conversation or power up.

Ya'll just don't like change tbh

I will say Super has better fight animation than the Buu saga and late Cell saga but early Z beats everything

and yeah Super gets too much hate
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the lazy animators on the early parts of Super drove people away.

and some people thinks it's intentional so Toei can sell the Blue Ray if people want to see the scenes better animated.
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Tien must be at SSJ3 then
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Ricemills posted...

the lazy animators on the early parts of Super drove people away.

and some people thinks it's intentional so Toei can sell the Blue Ray if people want to see the scenes better animated.

the dub has the improved animations though

and they've since hired additional animation studios to help with the workload
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrINX-hzFpI
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Krillin isn't as strong as the saiyans. He got the drop on gohan and goku was a step away from killing him

I mean it's still a show so they gotta give weaker characters a buff cause it wouldn't be interesting if goku punched a hole through everyone
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Krillin proved that smarts and strategy can beat raw strength to an extent, which is the whole point of the tournament. Many characters will be vastly weaker than the strongest, so they have to work together and not just run at eachother screaming like they've done for decades.
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Thank goodness Mystic Gohan is back. He's still soft, but I've been pissed about not seeing him for awhile.
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I always find the blind Toei defenders to be hilarious. There's absolutely no defending this whatsoever. We've seen characters barely move, or sometimes not even flinch when taking blows from strong, but comparatively weaker foes. Goku should be several million times stronger than Krillin, so for him to struggle this much and be forced into SSJB is absolutely damning.

The 17 fight with 17 HOLDING BACK and still scoffing at a god is the icing on the cake.

With Piccolo seemingly being >Ultimate Gohan now, and Roshi being able to kick in Base Goku's ass, I think it's safe to say that in Super Power Levels are indeed bullshit.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

I always find the blind Toei defenders to be hilarious. There's absolutely no defending this whatsoever. We've seen characters barely move, or sometimes not even flinch when taking blows from strong, but comparatively weaker foes. Goku should be several million times stronger than Krillin, so for him to struggle this much and be forced into SSJB is absolutely damning.

The 17 fight with 17 HOLDING BACK and still scoffing at a god is the icing on the cake.

With Piccolo seemingly being >Ultimate Gohan now, and Roshi being able to kick in Base Goku's ass, I think it's safe to say that in Super Power Levels are indeed bullshit.

Imagine watching Dragon Ball and wanting it to be deep, smart, and engaging. The Dragon Ball franchise is the anime equivalent to big dumb action movies.
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I can't wait to see what stupid ass powerup Roshi gets.

Terra-enforcer posted...

I always find the blind Toei defenders to be hilarious. There's absolutely no defending this whatsoever. We've seen characters barely move, or sometimes not even flinch when taking blows from strong, but comparatively weaker foes. Goku should be several million times stronger than Krillin, so for him to struggle this much and be forced into SSJB is absolutely damning.

The 17 fight with 17 HOLDING BACK and still scoffing at a god is the icing on the cake.

With Piccolo seemingly being >Ultimate Gohan now, and Roshi being able to kick in Base Goku's ass, I think it's safe to say that in Super Power Levels are indeed bullshit.

1) Goku wasn't "forced" into SSB, he turns SS1 right after the gif in the OP ends and he seems to have done it voluntarily because he realized Krillin could handle it. He goes SSB after a bit to test how Krillin would handle an opponent much stronger than him in the tournament; then 18 saves him

2) 17 wasn't holding back against Goku in SSB, he said he was holding back against Super Saiyan 2

3) Piccolo was immediately beaten once Goku went Ultimate how the fuck did you get him being stronger than him he only bested him when he was SS2 (which makes sense since Piccolo has been training nonstop since the Buu saga)

and we don't know anything about Roshi in the next episode or what kind of spell he's under
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Imaging taking the anime seriously when it comes to power level. I will always be the rational guy telling you its toei bullshit.
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Chicken posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

I always find the blind Toei defenders to be hilarious. There's absolutely no defending this whatsoever. We've seen characters barely move, or sometimes not even flinch when taking blows from strong, but comparatively weaker foes. Goku should be several million times stronger than Krillin, so for him to struggle this much and be forced into SSJB is absolutely damning.

The 17 fight with 17 HOLDING BACK and still scoffing at a god is the icing on the cake.

With Piccolo seemingly being >Ultimate Gohan now, and Roshi being able to kick in Base Goku's ass, I think it's safe to say that in Super Power Levels are indeed bullshit.

Imagine watching Dragon Ball and wanting it to be deep, smart, and engaging. The Dragon Ball franchise is the anime equivalent to big dumb action movies.

itp: Having consistency means that you have to be some deep piece of literary merit material.

Not sure what the hell that came from, but this isn't strictly one side or the other. There's plenty of engaging pieces of media that don't fuck consistency sideways for the hell of it and aren't "smart or deep." That's a pretty dumb notion to even imply.

If power scaling isn't a thing, then what's the point of the show? Goku should just kill Zeno and be done with it all lol
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megATOMOS posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

I always find the blind Toei defenders to be hilarious. There's absolutely no defending this whatsoever. We've seen characters barely move, or sometimes not even flinch when taking blows from strong, but comparatively weaker foes. Goku should be several million times stronger than Krillin, so for him to struggle this much and be forced into SSJB is absolutely damning.

The 17 fight with 17 HOLDING BACK and still scoffing at a god is the icing on the cake.

With Piccolo seemingly being >Ultimate Gohan now, and Roshi being able to kick in Base Goku's ass, I think it's safe to say that in Super Power Levels are indeed bullshit.

1) Goku wasn't "forced" into SSB, he turns SS1 right after the gif in the OP ends and he seems to have done it voluntarily because he realized Krillin could handle it. He goes SSB after a bit to test how Krillin would handle an opponent much stronger than him in the tournament; then 18 saves him

2) 17 wasn't holding back against Goku in SSB, he said he was holding back against Super Saiyan 2

3) Piccolo was immediately beaten once Goku went Ultimate how the fuck did you get him being stronger than him he only bested him when he was SS2 (which makes sense since Piccolo has been training nonstop since the Buu saga)

and we don't know anything about Roshi in the next episode or what kind of spell he's under

1. If he were just testing Krillin, he wouldn't need to go that far. Hell, he could have even just gone SSJ3 if he had to, but sure as hell not SSJB. Base Goku is already several hundred thousand to millions of times stronger than Krillin, so yeah, poor excuse, or shit consistency.

2. He was. Watch the ep again.

3. He was still tanking Gohans hits and even got in a hit of his own that knocked Gohan back. Maybe not stronger than, but for him to be stronger than Gohan's SSJ forms and be able to withstand Ultimate is still BS no matter how you spin it.
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Dragon Ball logic has always been funny. Just don't take the series too seriously and enjoy.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

2. He was. Watch the ep again.

I still don't see him being anywhere near Goku and Vegeta at full power

guess we'll see in the tourney
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megATOMOS posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

2. He was. Watch the ep again.

I still don't see him being anywhere near Goku and Vegeta at full power

guess we'll see in the tourney

He was matching Goku blow for blow and casually blocked a Kamehameha all while holding back. You'd have to be blind to ignore his bullshit power jump. Honestly I doubt he's exactly their level, but he's very clearly just below SSJB, which is pretty stupid and inconsistent. Though I guess expecting consistency from Toei is a bit of a pipe dream.
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megamanzero1000 posted...

Super is not canon and should not be taken seriously.

To be fair, the original series shouldn't be taken seriously either. I mean shit, how many bull-shit strength tier jumps did the dragonball series have if you actually stop to think about it rationally? There is a good bit in there that no matter how you stretch it, it just does not make any sense whatsoever.

I think what is going on is that nostalgia is clouding judgement for a lot of people. I was 19 or so when the freiza saga was first airing on toonami in the states (basically no childhood nostalgia to cloud my judgement damn it), and lord knows I loved me some dragonball, but even so, you just got to question the massive jumps goku was pulling on namek. This dude went from what was it, 65K not using kaoi-ken, over 100k when he did use it....he was barely able to beat captain ginyu when its all said and done. You expect me to believe a dude that busted his ass with frieza's top lackey can somehow, someway realistically jump up to what was it, 150 fucking million as a super saiyan, when only like, a hour ago or so he was barely reaching 150k? Fuck outta' here.

Dragonball as a series, always has and always will be a series that is for kids and best enjoyed when you just turn off your brain and enjoy the ride, since it was never meant to be taken seriously. (Real talk, they never mentioned the rabbit boss on the moon again. Goku totally breathed in space. Realism damn it).
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Terra-enforcer posted...

megATOMOS posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

2. He was. Watch the ep again.

I still don't see him being anywhere near Goku and Vegeta at full power

guess we'll see in the tourney

He was matching Goku blow for blow and casually blocked a Kamehameha all while holding back. You'd have to be blind to ignore his bullshit power jump. Honestly I doubt he's exactly their level, but he's very clearly just below SSJB, which is pretty stupid and inconsistent. Though I guess expecting consistency from Toei is a bit of a pipe dream.

Of course he had a power jump, I get that he's been training these past years and I even like the idea that Android's get stronger

But I still get the feeling Goku was going easy on him in SSB like he was with Krillin. And I doubt he blocked the Kamehameha while holding back casually, he put up and shield, grunted, then the shield failed
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Power levels haven't been a thing since the frieza/android saga, haven't they?
Characters are just strong based on natural born talent and how hard they train now.
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Super is fucking SWAG now.
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I remember reading some explanation that Krillin is possibly the most actual skilled fighter thanks to the amount of times he manages to hold his own against people significantly more powerful than himself. He has to rely on pure fighting talent and not his natural abilities.
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megATOMOS posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

megATOMOS posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

2. He was. Watch the ep again.

I still don't see him being anywhere near Goku and Vegeta at full power

guess we'll see in the tourney

He was matching Goku blow for blow and casually blocked a Kamehameha all while holding back. You'd have to be blind to ignore his bullshit power jump. Honestly I doubt he's exactly their level, but he's very clearly just below SSJB, which is pretty stupid and inconsistent. Though I guess expecting consistency from Toei is a bit of a pipe dream.

Of course he had a power jump, I get that he's been training these past years and I even like the idea that Android's get stronger

But I still get the feeling Goku was going easy on him in SSB like he was with Krillin. And I doubt he blocked the Kamehameha while holding back casually, he put up and shield, grunted, then the shield failed

But his demeanor barely even changes, and he literally used a single hand to do it lol. And 17 was holding back, so the poor excuse people used for Krillin simply doesn't work here. It barely even worked for Krillin, but considering 17 said he was holding back, it sure as hell doesn't work here.
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Back_Stabbath posted...

Power levels haven't been a thing since the frieza/android saga, haven't they?
Characters are just strong based on natural born talent and how hard they train now.

Nope. Otherwise Beerus should have been a joke in BoG if someone like 17 could take him "justcuz"
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

SSJGrimReaper posted...

Fact: DB Super complete garbage

Yup. I'm not sure what's worse at this point, the last 1/3rd of Naruto or DB Super. It's a toss-up.

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Terra-enforcer posted...

megATOMOS posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

megATOMOS posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

2. He was. Watch the ep again.

I still don't see him being anywhere near Goku and Vegeta at full power

guess we'll see in the tourney

He was matching Goku blow for blow and casually blocked a Kamehameha all while holding back. You'd have to be blind to ignore his bullshit power jump. Honestly I doubt he's exactly their level, but he's very clearly just below SSJB, which is pretty stupid and inconsistent. Though I guess expecting consistency from Toei is a bit of a pipe dream.

Of course he had a power jump, I get that he's been training these past years and I even like the idea that Android's get stronger

But I still get the feeling Goku was going easy on him in SSB like he was with Krillin. And I doubt he blocked the Kamehameha while holding back casually, he put up and shield, grunted, then the shield failed

But his demeanor barely even changes, and he literally used a single hand to do it lol. And 17 was holding back, so the poor excuse people used for Krillin simply doesn't work here. It barely even worked for Krillin, but considering 17 said he was holding back, it sure as hell doesn't work here.

what I said still stands, we won't know his power level until the tourney starts

we just know they were both holding back, I'm just assuming Goku was holding back much more
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De Evolution posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

SSJGrimReaper posted...

Fact: DB Super complete garbage

Yup. I'm not sure what's worse at this point, the last 1/3rd of Naruto or DB Super. It's a toss-up.

At least Naruto executes literal years of build up, has character development/closure, and a kick ass final fight. DBS is literally just mindless action and they can't even seem to get that right, or without there being one asspull/weird as hell decision Toei makes out of nowhere like Trunks pulling the lightsaber of hope out of his ass to kill someone vastly stronger than himself, or everyone asspulling power level jumps to past Super Saiyan level. SSJ feels even less special than it did before (and it already lost hella meaning) if someone like Krillin or 17 can seemingly match one or even potentially surpass one by just hitting the gym.
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megATOMOS posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

megATOMOS posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

megATOMOS posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

2. He was. Watch the ep again.

I still don't see him being anywhere near Goku and Vegeta at full power

guess we'll see in the tourney

He was matching Goku blow for blow and casually blocked a Kamehameha all while holding back. You'd have to be blind to ignore his bullshit power jump. Honestly I doubt he's exactly their level, but he's very clearly just below SSJB, which is pretty stupid and inconsistent. Though I guess expecting consistency from Toei is a bit of a pipe dream.

Of course he had a power jump, I get that he's been training these past years and I even like the idea that Android's get stronger

But I still get the feeling Goku was going easy on him in SSB like he was with Krillin. And I doubt he blocked the Kamehameha while holding back casually, he put up and shield, grunted, then the shield failed

But his demeanor barely even changes, and he literally used a single hand to do it lol. And 17 was holding back, so the poor excuse people used for Krillin simply doesn't work here. It barely even worked for Krillin, but considering 17 said he was holding back, it sure as hell doesn't work here.

what I said still stands, we won't know his power level until the tourney starts

we just know they were both holding back, I'm just assuming Goku was holding back much more

Your point about 17 not holding back doesn't still stand. And you're very clearly intentionally underestimating 17, when the fact of the matter is that Toei has proven that they don't give much of a damn about power levels.

And 17 getting as powerful as he did, or Piccolo, or even Krillin is all still bullshit
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I just said they were both holding back, I thought he wasn't and rewatched the fight after post 76

So, we still don't know anything until the tourney starts. Also, his power boost is completely up to Toriyama since we've never seen an Android train before this and Cell had amazing zenkai boosts
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