Current Events > List of 'pre-existing conditions' that AHCA may make peoples lives with harder.

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Villain posted...

I have asthma and I had back surgery a decade ago. There was a period where I didn't have insurance during the Bush years. This fucking sucks and fuck anyone who supported this.

Bootstraps!

Or..something.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Why would an insurance company decide to drop my coverage or not insure me if they knew I had asthma?

Because they make money when they don't have to provide any help. Asthma means inhalers and other coverage that the company is required to help pay for; a person without asthma has no such expenses.
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I blame my parents for having me.
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Antifar posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Well then, I don't want to hear any complaining about what the federal government does then. YOU guys are the ones who want them to have this power, so you have to take the good with the bad. Sorry for trying to show you a better way where you have more control over your life. Much more control, TBH.

What Republicans are doing is lessening the federal government's say, and leaving more in the hands of private insurers.

So now we're at the mercy of private insurers who want nothing more than to take your money and not have to pay a cent for your medical care. Hence all the pre-existing condition stuff. They don't want to insure your ass if they think you're going to need a lot of medical care. They want to insure the perfectly healthy people who won't do anything but go to the doctor for a runny nose a few times a year.

Were you born with a disorder or deformation? :( Well, that's too damn bad.

fenderbender321 posted...

the federal government is still upholding all the regulations that allow insurance companies and providers to play unfairly and fuck over the consumers in terms of cost

Do you think, free of meddling, insurers would decide not to fuck over consumers?
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As someone with none of those conditions I'm very happy to not have to foot the bill for the rest of you

remember when Trump was a populist who would protect some working class provisions because he wasn't a "traditional" Republican LMAO
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NeverOffended posted...

As someone with none of those conditions I'm very happy to not have to foot the bill for the rest of you

Good for you not have a conscience and all that.
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TheEvilMushroom posted...

LightningAce11 posted...

How can they be so stupid? They're grown adults.

Most of them are inbred, they can't help it.

You'd be "stupid" too if you had insurance companies paying you for votes
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coolboy11 posted...

remember when Trump was a populist who would protect some working class provisions because he wasn't a "traditional" Republican LMAO

I feel bad for the poor people who got tricked who are going to have to pay out the nose for their insurance now.

NeverOffended posted...

As someone with none of those conditions I'm very happy to not have to foot the bill for the rest of you

So absolutely nothing on that list applies to you at all? Well congratulations and if you manage to somehow live your entire life without getting any of those things then you must be some sort of super human.
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NeverOffended posted...

As someone with none of those conditions I'm very happy to not have to foot the bill for the rest of you

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voldothegr8 posted...

NeverOffended posted...

As someone with none of those conditions I'm very happy to not have to foot the bill for the rest of you

"But it's okay I'll foot the bill to bomb civilians somewhere in the middle east"
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The most hilarious part about this is that OBESITY is a pre-existing condition. Hey Republicans. Aren't half of you obese? You are not going to win with this at all
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fenderbender321 posted...

How could somebody who's simply putting a trade offer on the table be fucking over anyone?

The power dynamics at play, mainly.
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NeverOffended posted...

As someone with none of those conditions I'm very happy to not have to foot the bill for the rest of you

Is "complete lack of empathy" not on the list?
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CircleOfManias posted...

NeverOffended posted...

As someone with none of those conditions I'm very happy to not have to foot the bill for the rest of you

Is "complete lack of empathy" not on the list?

Lol at thinking i would care about fat people having to foot their own bill.

The Restless Leg syndrome community will not be pleased.
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NeverOffended posted...

Lol at thinking i would care about fat people having to foot their own bill.

You realize "fat people" and many of the other people on that list all have jobs right?

It's one thing to "foot their own bill" it's another when they get denied coverage and said bill is thousands of dollars.
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CrimsonAngeI posted...

NeverOffended posted...

Lol at thinking i would care about fat people having to foot their own bill.

You realize "fat people" and many of the other people on that list all have jobs right?

Yes? And now they can pay their own bills

Nevermind it's clearly pointless to argue with you.

"I got mine so fuck everyone else even if they also work hard for theirs"

Though I doubt you're anything more than a basement dweller anyway.
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This is a consequence of a system where we conflate health insurance with health care. It boggles my mind that leftists are still fucking conflating the two. How fucking dense can people be? Seriously.

Under the health insurance model, you have to charge the costlier customers more. Otherwise the entire system collapses and no one will have any health insurance. Obamacare's attempt to circumvent this basic law of economics was not sustainable. It was failing in multiple places, because young people weren't interested in paying a lot of money for something they don't need, which means the costs weren't being offset.

The only solution to this, long-term, is automation of the health care industry so that it's cheaper to get diagnoses and treatment.
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CrimsonAngeI posted...

Nevermind it's clearly pointless to argue with you.

"I got mine so fuck everyone else even if they also work hard for theirs"

Though I doubt you're anything more than a basement dweller anyway.

conservatives in a nutshell
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CrimsonAngeI posted...

Nevermind it's clearly pointless to argue with you.

"I got mine so fuck everyone else even if they also work hard for theirs"

Though I doubt you're anything more than a basement dweller anyway.

well, in all likelihood he'll end up with a preexisting condition before long. :o With a list like that it is like playing hot potato.

CrimsonAngeI posted...

I got mine

Damn right I got mine, and fuck anyone who tries to take it.
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anth0ny posted...

Future Republicans are going to use the ACA as a reason that socialism wont' work. how much you want to bet.

Yep

Joke party
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toptopmax posted...

The most hilarious part about this is that OBESITY is a pre-existing condition. Hey Republicans. Aren't half of you obese? You are not going to win with this at all

this is how devolved the United States has become

You all literally think it's about "winning" or "losing" against the other side

You hang by strings
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meingott posted...

This is a consequence of a system where we conflate health insurance with health care. It boggles my mind that leftists are still fucking conflating the two. How fucking dense can people be? Seriously.

Under the health insurance model, you have to charge the costlier customers more. Otherwise the entire system collapses and no one will have any health insurance. Obamacare's attempt to circumvent this basic law of economics was not sustainable. It was failing in multiple places, because young people weren't interested in paying a lot of money for something they don't need, which means the costs weren't being offset.

The only solution to this, long-term, is automation of the health care industry so that it's cheaper to get diagnoses and treatment.

people who think what goes on in the United States is how the entire world works for 500, Alex
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vicedungwinsgam posted...

meingott posted...

This is a consequence of a system where we conflate health insurance with health care. It boggles my mind that leftists are still fucking conflating the two. How fucking dense can people be? Seriously.

Under the health insurance model, you have to charge the costlier customers more. Otherwise the entire system collapses and no one will have any health insurance. Obamacare's attempt to circumvent this basic law of economics was not sustainable. It was failing in multiple places, because young people weren't interested in paying a lot of money for something they don't need, which means the costs weren't being offset.

The only solution to this, long-term, is automation of the health care industry so that it's cheaper to get diagnoses and treatment.

people who think what goes on in the United States is how the entire world works for 500, Alex

What the fuck are you talking about?
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Godnorgosh posted...

That list just about covers every damn person ever.

So... insurance is general is going up and they just don't want to admit it?
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So why is it necessarily bad for people who need more costly care to pay more?

And isn't that tweet based on a lot of assumptions as you "may" have to pay more for some of those even though the Senate is going to rewrite the bill anyways? Do we even know how much more people may pay under the bill passed?
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meingott posted...

Under the health insurance model, you have to charge the costlier customers more. Otherwise the entire system collapses and no one will have any health insurance. Obamacare's attempt to circumvent this basic law of economics was not sustainable. It was failing in multiple places, because young people weren't interested in paying a lot of money for something they don't need, which means the costs weren't being offset.

The problem with this is that it often means charging those costlier customers more than they can afford, or in the pre-ACA days preventing them from buying insurance at all. Which is why medical bankruptcies were so common.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148

The ACA did not solve this problem by any means, and our healthcare expenses remain higher than basically any country in the world. Still, recent stories have credited it with a decline in bankruptcies
http://www.consumerreports.org/personal-bankruptcy/how-the-aca-drove-down-personal-bankruptcy/

People have a legitimate discomfort with the idea of a system that leaves cancer patients and other people with pre-existing conditions at the mercy of insurance companies.
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SK8T3R215 posted...

So why is it necessarily bad for people who need more costly care to pay more?

For various reasons, people find the idea of burying the ill under medical debt to be distasteful.
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SK8T3R215 posted...

So why is it necessarily bad for people who need more costly care to pay more?

Because people dying since they can't afford healthcare is bad? Should people be forced to ruin their finances and rack up huge amounts of debt just to avoid dying?

Holding healthcare ransom isn't something a first world country should be doing.

SK8T3R215 posted...

So why is it necessarily bad for people who need more costly care to pay more?

It's not. These bleeding heart liberals think people who have earned theirs should pay for everyone else.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Antifar posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

How could somebody who's simply putting a trade offer on the table be fucking over anyone?

The power dynamics at play, mainly.

Why do they have power over you? You wouldn't be forced to buy insurance from them. You can say "no thanks, insurance isn't for me." They aren't adding or taking anything away from you.

If you're sick, or it's blatantly clear you need something that only a handful of entities can give you there is absolutely an abusable power dynamic here.

Yeah, it's not a problem when everyone comes to the table with all things being equal. The overwhelming majority of people never voluntarily enroll in health insurance programs when they're young and/or healthy. The past eight years hasn't really changed that behavior either.
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Antifar posted...

meingott posted...

Under the health insurance model, you have to charge the costlier customers more. Otherwise the entire system collapses and no one will have any health insurance. Obamacare's attempt to circumvent this basic law of economics was not sustainable. It was failing in multiple places, because young people weren't interested in paying a lot of money for something they don't need, which means the costs weren't being offset.

The problem with this is that it often means charging those costlier customers more than they can afford, or in the pre-ACA days preventing them from buying insurance at all. Which is why medical bankruptcies were so common.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148

The ACA did not solve this problem by any means, and our healthcare expenses remain higher than basically any country in the world. Still, recent stories have credited it with a decline in bankruptcies
http://www.consumerreports.org/personal-bankruptcy/how-the-aca-drove-down-personal-bankruptcy/

People have a legitimate discomfort with the idea of a system that leaves cancer patients and other people with pre-existing conditions at the mercy of insurance companies.

The ACA was forcing almost everyone to pay more than they can afford. Charging a healthy person the equivalent of a mortgage payment in costs for a shitty policy...to accommodate someone who is the costlier individual, is absolutely immoral and makes no sense whatsoever.

Those smoke and mirrors puff pieces crediting the ACA are misleading and dishonest. The only solution to this problem is automating the health care industry until diagnoses and treatment are extremely cheap.
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AugustAdoulin posted...

CrimsonAngeI posted...

Nevermind it's clearly pointless to argue with you.

"I got mine so fuck everyone else even if they also work hard for theirs"

Though I doubt you're anything more than a basement dweller anyway.

well, in all likelihood he'll end up with a preexisting condition before long. :o With a list like that it is like playing hot potato.

Uh no its not prexisting in that case slick, learn how to read people smh

voldothegr8 posted...

SK8T3R215 posted...

So why is it necessarily bad for people who need more costly care to pay more?

It's not. These bleeding heart liberals think people who have earned theirs should pay for everyone else.

I didn't realize it made you a bleeding heart if you simply don't want poor people to die because they can't afford healthcare.

meingott posted...

The ACA was forcing almost everyone to pay more than they can afford. Charging a healthy person the equivalent of a mortgage payment in costs for a shitty policy...to accommodate someone who is the costlier individual, is absolutely immoral and makes no sense whatsoever.

Those smoke and mirrors puff pieces crediting the ACA are misleading and dishonest. The only solution to this problem is automating the health care industry until diagnoses and treatment are extremely cheap.

Fucking this, and how quick people forget it was deemed unconstitutional until they found a fucked up loophole that incorporated it into our tax code.
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meingott posted...

The only solution to this problem is automating the health care industry until diagnoses and treatment are extremely cheap.

I don't know, I think we should give the system that reduces medical bankruptcies in every other major developed country a shot.
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NeverOffended posted...

AugustAdoulin posted...

CrimsonAngeI posted...

Nevermind it's clearly pointless to argue with you.

"I got mine so fuck everyone else even if they also work hard for theirs"

Though I doubt you're anything more than a basement dweller anyway.

well, in all likelihood he'll end up with a preexisting condition before long. :o With a list like that it is like playing hot potato.

Uh no its not prexisting in that case slick, learn how to read people smh

Do you think you're always going to have the same health insurance plan? lol If you ever have to enroll again, they'll take all that into effect. So hopefully you'll be working at your same job till you turn 65.

Antifar posted...

SK8T3R215 posted...

So why is it necessarily bad for people who need more costly care to pay more?

For various reasons, people find the idea of burying the ill under medical debt to be distasteful.

How much more would they end up paying though? Do we have some premium comparison we can make? And won't they already have to pay up to their deductible anyway so they will already pay thousands a year for treatment before coinsurance so that portion would be mostly unaffected?
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God, I going to miss the Obamacare death panels.
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Antifar posted...

meingott posted...

The only solution to this problem is automating the health care industry until diagnoses and treatment are extremely cheap.

I don't know, I think we should give the system that reduces medical bankruptcies in every other major developed country a shot.

Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality. Removing the human element as much as possible and streamlining the entire process is what will make health care accessible and affordable. The system you're referencing is very expensive in all of those countries, and not a solution by any means.
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meingott posted...

Why? Automation has made everything it has touched cheaper and higher quality.

Because waiting for this extent of automation does not help those that are suffering here and now. I've got nothing against the automation in the healthcare industry, but your insistence that it is the only possible solution to the problems we face is silly, given the achievements made in other countries with similar levels of automation.
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