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GANON1025
05/20/17 11:56:23 PM
#51:


Ryuji rules, though
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GANON1025
05/20/17 11:57:52 PM
#52:


I think we will never see eye to eye. Persona 5, to me, is just plain better than 4 in every way. And with S+++ stellar characters like Akechi it's nearly a joke to compare them.
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GranzonEx
05/20/17 11:58:04 PM
#53:


Ryuji is the worst of the 3 bros

Brosuke>Stupei>>>>>>>>For Real?
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LapisLazuli
05/20/17 11:58:06 PM
#54:


GranzonEx posted...
They interacted a lot in the game but it's always one dimensional bickering.


There's a lot of this too, yeah. Feels like a lot of content was cut as well, the amusement park being an obvious offender. Honestly I almost feel like they went into this version with the INTENT of an improved version later, which I don't think felt like the case before at all.
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KommunistKoala
05/20/17 11:58:28 PM
#55:


swordz9 posted...
There's more phone interaction than actual interaction in the game and most of it isn't anything fun. It doesn't really help when it feels like half the cast could just quit existing at any time and it not even matter. Ann is literally just there after like 1-2 months. Ryuji's just there to be a loud idiot and argue with Morgana. Yusuke is entertaining, but he totally could've not even joined and it wouldn't have made any difference whatsoever. I put like 200 hours into the game and felt like Joker spent more time talking to everybody other than the PCs

spoilers P4 is the same way

guess what Chie and Yukiko do after their arcs? nothing. Teddie makes bear puns, etc

by the time Naoto joins, it's Naoto being a detective and that's basically it
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swordz9
05/20/17 11:59:04 PM
#56:


GANON1025 posted...
Ryuji rules, though

In his Confidant and maybe the first few hours of the game sure. After that he is idiot troped to hell and seems nothing like what his character is in the beginning. That nice guy who wants to help others out completely disappears and is replaced by a total idiot who almost constantly blows your cover and spends all his time yelling at a cat when he's arguably the most useless person in the game
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Ryokles
05/20/17 11:59:59 PM
#57:


Ganon speaking all the truths

Ryuji is great! I didn't dislike a single character in p5 which is great considering I hate two from both 3 and 4
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GANON1025
05/21/17 12:00:19 AM
#58:


Ryuji isn't an idiot. The worst part about Ryuji is that other characters are unnecessarily mean to him, Ryuji himself is cool and way better than Junpei or Yosuke at least.
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LapisLazuli
05/21/17 12:00:40 AM
#59:


Akechi is a damn loser except for his...his fucking sick ass costume and pose. It's just.....hell yeah.
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swordz9
05/21/17 12:00:55 AM
#60:


KommunistKoala posted...
swordz9 posted...
There's more phone interaction than actual interaction in the game and most of it isn't anything fun. It doesn't really help when it feels like half the cast could just quit existing at any time and it not even matter. Ann is literally just there after like 1-2 months. Ryuji's just there to be a loud idiot and argue with Morgana. Yusuke is entertaining, but he totally could've not even joined and it wouldn't have made any difference whatsoever. I put like 200 hours into the game and felt like Joker spent more time talking to everybody other than the PCs

spoilers P4 is the same way

guess what Chie and Yukiko do after their arcs? nothing. Teddie makes bear puns, etc

by the time Naoto joins, it's Naoto being a detective and that's basically it

The difference is they're constantly spending time with you even when you aren't investigating while 5's cast isn't. They're always hanging out before classes or coming over to Dojima's to see Yu and Nanako. It felt like they actually cared about you and I never got any of that from 5's cast
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Ryokles
05/21/17 12:01:07 AM
#61:


Woah woah woah now lets not get crazy here

Junpei is the man
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GANON1025
05/21/17 12:01:42 AM
#62:


Ryui is a good friend that never gets jealous of Joker, and also ins't a homophobe
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kateee
05/21/17 12:02:17 AM
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LapisLazuli
05/21/17 12:02:35 AM
#64:


Ryuji is at least better than Junpei who is a loser.

Brosuke is king.
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swordz9
05/21/17 12:02:41 AM
#65:


GANON1025 posted...
Ryuji isn't an idiot. The worst part about Ryuji is that other characters are unnecessarily mean to him, Ryuji himself is cool and way better than Junpei or Yosuke at least.

He is factually an idiot though....I mean he is a literal dunce and practically failing every subject on top of loudly talking about how awesome it is being a Phantom Thief. The game basically beats you over the head with his stupidity
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GranzonEx
05/21/17 12:03:01 AM
#66:


Junpei is awesome because he evolves throughout the game. I mean who wouldn't be jealous of literal headphone Jesus?
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GANON1025
05/21/17 12:07:04 AM
#67:


I guess he isn't smart, but like Yosuke and Junpei had the same failings in school.

I'm just going to say it: Yosuke isn't THAT far from being just like Mishima the ultimate loser (I do still like yosuke)
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LapisLazuli
05/21/17 12:07:13 AM
#68:


KommunistKoala posted...
swordz9 posted...
There's more phone interaction than actual interaction in the game and most of it isn't anything fun. It doesn't really help when it feels like half the cast could just quit existing at any time and it not even matter. Ann is literally just there after like 1-2 months. Ryuji's just there to be a loud idiot and argue with Morgana. Yusuke is entertaining, but he totally could've not even joined and it wouldn't have made any difference whatsoever. I put like 200 hours into the game and felt like Joker spent more time talking to everybody other than the PCs

spoilers P4 is the same way

guess what Chie and Yukiko do after their arcs? nothing. Teddie makes bear puns, etc

by the time Naoto joins, it's Naoto being a detective and that's basically it


Plot wise, yeah. The difference is that they still have tons and tons of presence in the game for character moments and events.

P5.....they got Curry together! Now they're gonna study some, yaaaaaaaaay......

I've got a feeling people who don't see the difference here have just forgotten a lot of P4. I think the trip to the P3 city might be longer than every group hangout event in P5 combined. And this is COMPLETELY IGNORING Golden, we're talking just Vanilla.
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LapisLazuli
05/21/17 12:09:20 AM
#69:


kateee posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw1xmI6riIs


So gooood. Everything about Akechi is good except....Akechi.

And yes, Ryuji is technically the dumbest character between 3 to 5 from an actual intelligence standpoint.
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Janus5k
05/21/17 12:10:22 AM
#70:


Akechi would be fine if Palace 7 never happened, but alas.
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swordz9
05/21/17 12:10:27 AM
#71:


Yosuke and Junpei are dumb. I won't argue that. They have more development and spend way more time with you than Ryuji who spends nearly all of his time in the game shouting about shitty adults and arguing with Morgana
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GANON1025
05/21/17 12:11:16 AM
#72:


Also, Sojiro is the superior dad
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Metal_DK
05/21/17 12:11:28 AM
#73:


Eternal Punishment > all
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GranzonEx
05/21/17 12:12:24 AM
#74:


swordz at this point I think he's just trolling you especially his Akechi love
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swordz9
05/21/17 12:13:59 AM
#75:


LapisLazuli posted...
kateee posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw1xmI6riIs


So gooood. Everything about Akechi is good except....Akechi.

And yes, Ryuji is technically the dumbest character between 3 to 5 from an actual intelligence standpoint.

Kanji might actually be dumber, but Kanji is an amazing character at least.
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LapisLazuli
05/21/17 12:14:18 AM
#76:


Sojirou is better than Dojima, which I feel is actually a pretty unpopular opinion amogst the 4 > 5 crowd.
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GranzonEx
05/21/17 12:15:03 AM
#77:


Morgana and Akechi are bottom 3 trash tier. They are only slightly better than Fuuka.
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GANON1025
05/21/17 12:16:12 AM
#78:


Do people who don't like Akechi also not like Shinjiro?
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pyresword
05/21/17 12:19:12 AM
#79:


KommunistKoala posted...
I definitely feel like people have this weird nostalgia for P4 that isn't there. The chemistry isn't really THAT much better than 5's is. It is better but not by some crazy amount

This has been obvious for quite a while honestly.
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swordz9
05/21/17 12:22:28 AM
#80:


GANON1025 posted...
Do people who don't like Akechi also not like Shinjiro?

I like Shinji and think Akechi is pretty lame
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GranzonEx
05/21/17 12:23:45 AM
#81:


What does Shinji (the guy from P3 right?) have to do with Akechi? They fill completely different roles.
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LapisLazuli
05/21/17 12:27:53 AM
#82:


On Akechi. Honestly I'm insulted that the game had the audacity to give us diet Adachi and make him 100% predictable rather than throw a curveball.
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Zigzagoon
05/21/17 12:28:29 AM
#83:


Both Morgana and Akechi are top 3 characters in the game so, yeah.
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Shadow Dino
05/21/17 12:31:16 AM
#84:


LapisLazuli posted...
On Akechi. Honestly I'm insulted that the game had the audacity to give us diet Adachi and make him 100% predictable rather than throw a curveball.


And people can't wait to beg for a redemption story in a remake or Arena game!

...Honestly, I would have preferred they went the other way and made him the final boss.

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Ashethan
05/21/17 12:32:46 AM
#85:


It's not the chemistry that's much better. All the events in Persona 4 are just much better. I mean the school trips you have the Campout and Gekkoukan High School vs News Station and hawaii. And somehow the one that goes to Hawaii lost. There's no real hang out moments I look forward to on a replay of P5, while there are many i look forward to in P4.
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swordz9
05/21/17 12:33:48 AM
#86:


I dunno if I can find 3 characters from 5's PCs I care about enough for a top 3. Makoto is easily number one for me. After that probably Morgana for 2 and uhhhhh.....maybe Haru or Yusuke for 3rd.
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LapisLazuli
05/21/17 12:38:44 AM
#87:


Shadow Dino posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
On Akechi. Honestly I'm insulted that the game had the audacity to give us diet Adachi and make him 100% predictable rather than throw a curveball.


And people can't wait to beg for a redemption story in a remake or Arena game!

...Honestly, I would have preferred they went the other way and made him the final boss.


Go all in and have him be the #1 bad? Going all the way certainly would have been more interesting, but this seems like another case of planning for a rerelease during development.

I also want to know who at Atlus thought so little of their player base that they thought the pancake comment was a blink and you miss it end of game twist worthy moment. You would have to actually not be in the room to miss that and just be tapping X while taking a shit.

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ShoeTheCat
05/21/17 12:43:36 AM
#88:


Ryoko has the best Persona opinion on B8
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BlueCrystalTear
05/21/17 12:50:35 AM
#89:


Janus5k posted...
5 does a lot of things better than 4, but 4's main cast destroys 5's and that's pretty key for this kind of game.

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Pirateking2000
05/21/17 12:56:58 AM
#90:


I'm just bummed that there wasn't an option to invite Akechi over for delicious pancakes
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UberPyro64
05/21/17 12:59:03 AM
#91:


Story and gameplay wise, 5 blows 4 out of the water. I would argue the majority of confidants are better in 5 as well. Party members wise, it's pretty close I give the edge to 5 when comparing them as individual characters. Honestly I didn't dislike a single character in 5. Even the least good ones were still at least okay.

When comparing chemistry, it's nearly dead even. I quite liked how the characters interacted in 5. They felt they had become pretty close by the end. But as I said, it's nearly dead even. Not sure which game does it better honestly.

The one thing 4 absolutely does better though is the events.
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swordz9
05/21/17 1:01:34 AM
#92:


5 has more story focus, but I'm not even sure it has a better story than 4. It should given the premise, but the characters supporting it aren't too great and it has like the worst scene between the 3 games with that awful Ryuji vs Morgana moment that's just a dumb waste of time for forced drama. Most of the villains are pretty bad too. I felt like they put the most effort into Kamoshida and nearly everybody after him was just who cares
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Pirateking2000
05/21/17 1:07:02 AM
#93:


4's team felt like a better "group of friends" than 5's team but that might just be due to the lack of events in 5 to better portray that feeling. Individually:

Joker >>> Yu
Ryuji < Yosuke
Ann << Chie
Makoto >>> Yukiko
Yusuke < Kanji (both are great though)
Futaba >> Rise
Haru << Naoto


I think P5's confidants beat out P4's social links

of course P5's group felt like delightful troublemakers / buds (which is obvious) especially with the ending where they are like "Haha fuck you just trying to leave us. Get in nerd, we're going for a ride!
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KommunistKoala
05/21/17 1:15:10 AM
#94:


Ashethan posted...
It's not the chemistry that's much better. All the events in Persona 4 are just much better.

this

the chemistry is basically the same. it just puts the characters in better places
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swordz9
05/21/17 1:26:23 AM
#95:


I don't think the chemistry is the same, but it's nice to see most people agree the events were way worse. They just felt like sad excuses thrown in with no love put into them.
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Shadow Dino
05/21/17 1:43:28 AM
#96:


I'll take what happens on 11/20 in P5 over any scene in P4.
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swordz9
05/21/17 1:55:10 AM
#97:


I still can't believe the P5 group went to Hawaii and cried about it being boring and being more interested in Mishima's website. Literally a bunch of buzzkills
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Pirateking2000
05/21/17 2:02:54 AM
#98:


swordz9 posted...
I still can't believe the P5 group went to Hawaii and cried about it being boring and being more interested in Mishima's website. Literally a bunch of buzzkills


Well wasn't Mishima the only one more interested in the website while everyone else was trying to find fun shit to do but they weren't allowed or something?
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HeroDelTiempo17
05/21/17 2:30:32 AM
#99:


Ryokles posted...
GANON1025 posted...
I feel like I played a different game, where P5's main cast are all great and there's not a single bad person in there. And P5 has Akechi, The Man Who Rivals Shinjiro as best persona character


This guy knows what he's talking about and everyone should listen to him tbqh


I'm right there with you guys
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KamikazePotato
05/21/17 3:06:06 AM
#100:


Persona 5's main cast is mostly 'misses' for me. So many of them have scenes that really bring their characters down.

Persona 5 in general sorely needed an editor. SO MUCH TEXT in that game is superfluous and boring.
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