Current Events > Does someone who doesnt agree with LGBTQ but tolerates it good enough?

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tol·er·ate
verb
allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

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Yes. To think it's alright to force people into agreeing with you is ridiculous.
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How does one "not agree" with something like this yet still tolerate it?

This always seems to mean that they don't actually tolerate it, but have lost the legal grounds to be as openly intolerant as they were previously, or the status quo has changed so much that they can't cling to it to deny basic rights any more.

There's nothing to "agree" with here. The phrase "I don't agree with it" here is almost always used to mean deferring to the status quo or the bible, etc. as a source of reasons why you wish the behavior would cease to exist, then grudgingly accepting whatever the current status quo has come to be, but saying that anything more would lead to the downfall of society.
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the_rowan posted...

How does one "not agree" with something like this yet still tolerate it?

This always seems to mean that they don't actually tolerate it, but have lost the legal grounds to be as openly intolerant as they were previously.

I think the "it's their life, but I don't understand why" mindset fits the tolerates but doesn't accept.
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Turbam posted...

I think the "it's their life, but I don't understand why" mindset fits the tolerates but doesn't accept.

I've never heard anyone use the phrase "I don't agree with it" in any sense other than condemnation.

The idea of "agreeing" with the fundamental nature of reality makes no sense. You don't hear of anyone "agreeing" with gay people.
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I tolerate it meaning I don't care if they do it, but I don't want to see or hear about it.
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MakoReizei posted...

I tolerate it meaning I don't care if they do it, but I don't want to see or hear about it.

This is not even remotely what "tolerant" means. There is no tolerance involved if you immediately reject something as soon as you're aware of it.
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People don't want to see PDA from any couple, it doesn't matter if they are gay or straight
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Damn_Underscore posted...

People don't want to see PDA from any couple, it doesn't matter if they are gay or straight

Humans, like other primates, are social creatures who use touch to communicate and build or maintain bonds.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

People don't want to see PDA from any couple, it doesn't matter if they are gay or straight

And yet people have a cry if a gay character is in a Disney movie. So I'm not gonna take your word on it being a 'PDA' issue.

Nobody complains when a straight couple holds hands.
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MakoReizei posted...

I tolerate it meaning I don't care if they do it, but I don't want to see or hear about it.

You're not exactly known for being coherent, are you?

Lmao.
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The difference there is that gay couples are much less common in real life than they would have you believe on TV shows and movies

That is SJW pandering and it's annoying
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Darmik posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

People don't want to see PDA from any couple, it doesn't matter if they are gay or straight

And yet people have a cry if a gay character is in a Disney movie. So I'm not gonna take your word on it being a 'PDA' issue.

Nobody complains when a straight couple holds hands.

Hell I don't even care if people want to make out in the street as long as they stop at fondling each other. The only people that are bothered by it are the envious and the phobic

Damn_Underscore posted...

The difference there is that gay couples are much less common in real life than they would have you believe on TV shows and movies

That is SJW pandering and it's annoying

So how many gay couples in TV show and movies are too many?
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Damn_Underscore posted...

People don't want to see PDA from any couple, it doesn't matter if they are gay or straight

I don't see any reference to obnoxious PDA here. I see that you're not allowed to display that you're gay. Oftentimes this means simply talking about one's partner. My boss used to complain that gay people just HAD to tell everyone about their partners for attention or something. If it means PDA or TMI situations, that should be specified, because otherwise I'm going to assume it's like the above.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

The difference there is that gay couples are much less common in real life than they would have you believe on TV shows and movies

That is SJW pandering and it's annoying

Much less common?

I'm of the belief that there are a lot more gay people than we think. It's stigma that still keeps certain people from living an authentic life.

Look what happened after the gay marriage ruling in the United States. People started coming out in droves.
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the_rowan posted...

MakoReizei posted...

I tolerate it meaning I don't care if they do it, but I don't want to see or hear about it.

This is not even remotely what "tolerant" means. There is no tolerance involved if you immediately reject something as soon as you're aware of it.

I acknowledge it's a thing and that what they do in private is their business.

I just want nothing to do with it.
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It might be one technically correct definition of "tolerant", but I wouldn't call "allowing" gays to exist actual tolerance in common use of the word. Tolerance would mean you could sit down and have lunch with them, and treat them like actual human beings without being weird about it. Oh, and not supporting politicians who seek to deny them basic human rights.
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Didn't South Park have an episode about this? The Death Camp of Tolerance
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MakoReizei posted...

the_rowan posted...

MakoReizei posted...

I tolerate it meaning I don't care if they do it, but I don't want to see or hear about it.

This is not even remotely what "tolerant" means. There is no tolerance involved if you immediately reject something as soon as you're aware of it.

I acknowledge it's a thing and that what they do in private is their business.

I just want nothing to do with it.

Who people are dating (or who they're marred to) generally isn't private
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Aslong as they dont go about trying to create bathroom laws on fake news stories
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the_rowan posted...

How does one "not agree" with something like this yet still tolerate it?

This always seems to mean that they don't actually tolerate it, but have lost the legal grounds to be as openly intolerant as they were previously, or the status quo has changed so much that they can't cling to it to deny basic rights any more.

There's nothing to "agree" with here. The phrase "I don't agree with it" here is almost always used to mean deferring to the status quo or the bible, etc. as a source of reasons why you wish the behavior would cease to exist, then grudgingly accepting whatever the current status quo has come to be, but saying that anything more would lead to the downfall of society.

Just because someone doesn't personally agree with someone doesn't mean they think their views should be law or that other people shouldn't have the freedom to live their own life however they want. I don't know why you think those things are mutually exclusive.
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Darmik posted...

MakoReizei posted...

the_rowan posted...

MakoReizei posted...

I tolerate it meaning I don't care if they do it, but I don't want to see or hear about it.

This is not even remotely what "tolerant" means. There is no tolerance involved if you immediately reject something as soon as you're aware of it.

I acknowledge it's a thing and that what they do in private is their business.

I just want nothing to do with it.

Who people are dating (or who they're marred to) generally isn't private

Darmik, you're trying to have an intelligent debate with Mako.

. . . Fucking Mako.

Why even try?
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ollie89 posted...

Darmik posted...

MakoReizei posted...

the_rowan posted...

MakoReizei posted...

I tolerate it meaning I don't care if they do it, but I don't want to see or hear about it.

This is not even remotely what "tolerant" means. There is no tolerance involved if you immediately reject something as soon as you're aware of it.

I acknowledge it's a thing and that what they do in private is their business.

I just want nothing to do with it.

Who people are dating (or who they're marred to) generally isn't private

Darmik, you're trying to have an intelligent debate with Mako.

. . . Fucking Mako.

Why even try?

who are you exactly
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I don't even understand this as a question.

You don't agree with people's lifestyle choices, like abusing drugs or alcohol or the people they associate with.

Being gay, lesbian, whatever is not a lifestyle choice.
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Tolerate indicates they feel they have some right to mandate that sort of thing. That's usually what people have a problem with.

If my parents didn't agree with who I was married to, never wanted to see us together and never wanted us to acknowledge it in public are they tolerating our relationship?
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Dash_Harber posted...

Tolerate indicates they feel they have some right to mandate that sort of thing. That's usually what people have a problem with.

That's not what tolerance means.
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Absolutely. I am a lesbian who is open on my sexuality. There is a very religious girl I went to school with who I have been on great terms with since. We've had a heartfelt talk about it and she has been straight forward in her beliefs against who I am. I told her as long as she still accepts me as a person and doesn't let it get in the way of our friendship, I don't care if she agrees with it or not.

I really see no problem here. She knows I don't love her. She knows we have different beliefs, but we aren't going to let a friendship break over this. :)

Gamer99z posted...

That's not what tolerance means.

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

Darmik posted...

If my parents didn't agree with who I was married to, never wanted to see us together and never wanted us to acknowledge it in public are they tolerating our relationship?

as long as they aren't interfering with it then I don't see why not.
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MakoReizei posted...

Darmik posted...

If my parents didn't agree with who I was married to, never wanted to see us together and never wanted us to acknowledge it in public are they tolerating our relationship?

as long as they aren't interfering with it then I don't see why not.

Yeah, you are right. They are well within their rights to act that way. Doesn't make them a good person, or not assholes.

You don't have to be gay for your parents to not agree with the person you're marrying
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Darmik posted...

If my parents didn't agree with who I was married to, never wanted to see us together and never wanted us to acknowledge it in public are they tolerating our relationship?

It depends. They can feel however they want.

"Tolerate" refers to action. If your parents felt how you described, but didn't take action to inhibit your marriage (beyond voicing their opinion) then that is tolerance.

On the flip side, nobody that agrees with something can tolerate it. I don't "tolerate" chocolate milk shakes or people making Psych references in conversation. And nobody asking for "tolerance" in any political context is truly asking for it. They're asking for their opponents to shut up and agree with them.

For the record, I'm totally supportive of lgbt rights to marry and protected-class status, and most whatever else is being talked about under the concept of "tolerance". But the use of the word "tolerance" today is one of the slimiest, snakiest, most duplicitous acts of sanctimony under the guise of moral enlightenment.
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MakoReizei posted...

Darmik posted...

If my parents didn't agree with who I was married to, never wanted to see us together and never wanted us to acknowledge it in public are they tolerating our relationship?

as long as they aren't interfering with it then I don't see why not.

They are interferring by telling me not to make my relationship publicly known no?
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Gamer99z posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Tolerate indicates they feel they have some right to mandate that sort of thing. That's usually what people have a problem with.

That's not what tolerance means.

Its literally the definition tc gave.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Gamer99z posted...

That's not what tolerance means.

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

Where in that definition does it indicate feeling the right to mandate?
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scoobydoobydont posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Tolerate indicates they feel they have some right to mandate that sort of thing. That's usually what people have a problem with.

That's not what tolerance means.

Its literally the definition tc gave.

TC's definition literally says "allow without interference"
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Gamer99z posted...

scoobydoobydont posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Tolerate indicates they feel they have some right to mandate that sort of thing. That's usually what people have a problem with.

That's not what tolerance means.

Its literally the definition tc gave.

TC's definition literally says "allow without interference"

If you can interfere, you have the power to stop it ...

I'm not sure what you are trying to argue here.

Gamer99z posted...

scoobydoobydont posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Tolerate indicates they feel they have some right to mandate that sort of thing. That's usually what people have a problem with.

That's not what tolerance means.

Its literally the definition tc gave.

TC's definition literally says "allow without interference"

Yes. "Allow". How are you not getting this? It isn't anyones place to "allow" LGBTQ to be LGBTQ. That isn't real tolerance, but its the definition tc is using. As if LGBTQ needs permission to exist.
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Tolerance isn't really tolerance if you are partial to it, anyone can do that. It normally is a test of your limits. For instance some religious minorities are tolerated because the alternative means sacrificing your own freedoms.

So you may hate them, but you may enjoy your freedoms more. Something has to give in those situations.

A lot of times you tolerate things because intolerance has worse consequences or your powerless.
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let's start with not agreeing with lgbt

explain that
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There's different levels of tolerance.

There's "Happy Happy Joy Joy to the World" tolerance, where the hyper religious zealots or former homophobes are suddenly A-okay inviting the local gay couple over for a BBQ. For whatever reason, they legit turned over a new leaf. Obviously rare.

And then there's the "Live and Let Live" tolerance. This includes the neighbor who does not agree with multiple aspects commonly tied to gay culture, but he/she is fine with them living next door so long as the local gays avoid doing anything repulsive or scandalous. While not exactly proponents for gay rights, these semi-tolerant people can be persuaded to allow positive changes to happen for lgbt by not standing in the way. Their disagreement should not be confused as hatred. They tend to wait for gay communities to cast the first stone before declaring war, which is generally fair.

A close cousin of the above is the "Fuck it, I Give Up" tolerance, which involves someone who actually hates gays, but lacks any real power to push them out of the neighborhood. They can't really do much to demolish local support for gay issues, so they roll with it instead of being branded a villain. Sometimes they can become the "Live and Let Live", but it's rare and usually requires a gay acquaintance who is 0% obnoxious about the homosexuality (often a relative or childhood friend). Unfortunately, these types tend to act like sleeper agents waiting to get local gays expelled from the block first chance available. However, it's important not to confuse them with the "Live and Let Live" people, who are really just moderates willing to be civil (so don't fuck with them). Save your ammo for haters who are ACTIVE about their bigotry.
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'Good enough'? Yeah I guess so. My opinion of them will still be low.
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What does agree with lgtbq mean
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emblem boy posted...

What does agree with lgtbq mean

that's what i want to know. what does that even mean.

you don't agree with lgbtq people...what?

lgbtq people showing pda?

being allowed to be lgbtq? at all?

being lgbtq with the same rights as you?

agreeing with lgbtq about things not related to lgbt?

etc
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I'm fine with it but don't get offended if I use the wrong pronoun.
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voldothegr8 posted...

but don't get offended if I use the wrong pronoun.

If you don't know their preferred pronoun then of course not.

If you do then they have every right to be offended.
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I don't have a problem with it. But some lgbtq people are highly, elitist jerks. If you're not apart of their grouptank, they'll roast you.
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JerickoX posted...

I don't have a problem with it. But some lgbtq people are highly, elitist jerks. If you're not apart of their grouptank, they'll roast you.

Which side are you talking about?
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