Poll of the Day > Should I play FE Awakening with permadeath on or off?

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If you play with it permadeath off then you're going to do nothing but save scum like it's X-COM or something and that's a coward's way to play.
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If you are gonna grind supports, play Casual.

I played with permadeath and was too busy mashing A to realize a unit died. Then I found out I got all the support conversations I could (for that run) except for one character: Kellam. Wasn't too bad though since I had to do another playthrough as FeMu.
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Unbridled9 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

I love how everyone is saying permadeath requires a strategy when you can beat almost every game with one unit.

Well... Sort of. You see, when you use only one unit all your resources end up going to said unit. This means all the EXP, weapons, stat-ups, and the like going to one unit. So if you had, say, two talismans (+2 RES) that means the unit would get +4 RES. Put that across the board and of course you're gonna have a powerhouse. Assuming 2 stat-ups per stat per game that's +14 HP, +4 STR, MAG, SKL, SPD, Luck, DEF, and RES not to mention +2 movement. Since you have all the gold and items going to said unit they're going to always have the best gear, skills (in some games), and BEXP. So of COURSE it's going to be powerful. While the early game might be a hump at first the unit would eventually snowball into super-power status.

Thing is, that doesn't last. Be it because they hit 20/20 (or 20/20/20 depending on the game) or because they hit their stat-caps they'll eventually stop growing. If you aren't RNG abusing it can get worse if the unit gets unlucky in its level-ups resulting in a unit that's mediocre. If they use a weapon type that lacks 1-2 range (or, God forbid, an archer) they can have it even harder. Eventually, even boasting max stats and so-forth, they will start to struggle. Nevermind that they'll never be as efficient as a fully functioning team. Heaven forbid this super unit isn't your lord which would make a lot of chapters souped up escort missions. You'd likely miss out on a lot of characters as well and may not even get all the stat-ups. Not to mention that supports can really make or break certain units.

So, while certain units (especially lords) *could* solo the game, it's a pretty bad strategy that will eventually put you in a struggle once the enemy levels catch up to yours. Not to mention that the final boss could probably wreck you. I love Mia but there is no reasonable way she could beat Asheruna solo. She'd need healing at the LEAST, but then that wouldn't be a solo.

Guess what. None of that matters because you CAN do it. Sorry you wasted your life typing that.
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EvilMegas posted...

Guess what. None of that matters because you CAN do it. Sorry you wasted your life typing that.

Except... no. No you can't.

The only game I can think of where you can easily solo is Fates with Xander/Ryoma or Awakening with a souped up Avatar. All the other FE games would actually be *harder* to solo (and in some cases impossible) than to use a team, even with the best unit.
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darkknight109 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

Guess what. None of that matters because you CAN do it. Sorry you wasted your life typing that.

Except... no. No you can't.

The only game I can think of where you can easily solo is Fates with Xander/Ryoma or Awakening with a souped up Avatar. All the other FE games would actually be *harder* to solo (and in some cases impossible) than to use a team, even with the best unit.

You said no, then immediately contradicted yourself.
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And the entire point of the soloing argument is that this game isn't hard, which it's not. Unfair, yep but not hard
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EvilMegas posted...

You said no, then immediately contradicted yourself.

I said no and didn't contradict myself, because you said that you could solo "almost every game" with one unit. Two games in a series of 13 is not "almost every game".

EvilMegas posted...

And the entire point of the soloing argument is that this game isn't hard, which it's not. Unfair, yep but not hard

How on Earth do you figure Awakening is "unfair"? It's the game where it's easiest to avoid getting RNG-screwed.
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Here's the real deal.



"permadeath" - You play decently, but a mistake on your part or string of terrible luck gets a character killed. You reset because you can't bear to lose your characters, and losing characters only gives you frustration since you have to replay the level. Game gets pretty easy after a while as your characters get super buff; Carelessness or difficult levels can still kill characters. Majority of players play like this.

actual permadeath - You don't reset when you fuck up or get screwed and lose a character. You feel actual pain and loss from the burden of your mistakes or the cruelty of RNG, and you soldier on. Game remains difficult. You actually get to use new characters you get (who are sufficiently strong) as opposed to reusing your full stock of super buff old ones that never die. Minority of players play like this.

no permadeath - It's like "permadeath", except you don't have to reset when you lose your characters. But there's no threat of losing characters, so is it even considered fire emblem anymore?
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One more thing, if you play poorly and you lose characters quite often, and don't reset to save those characters, your ability to beat the game remains the same. The few decent characters you have that don't die end up becoming monsters that will carry you to the end.
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darkknight109 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

Guess what. None of that matters because you CAN do it. Sorry you wasted your life typing that.

Except... no. No you can't.

The only game I can think of where you can easily solo is Fates with Xander/Ryoma or Awakening with a souped up Avatar. All the other FE games would actually be *harder* to solo (and in some cases impossible) than to use a team, even with the best unit.

Wut?
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EvilMegas posted...

you can beat almost every game with one unit.

EvilMegas posted...

you can beat almost every game with one unit.

EvilMegas posted...

Guess what. None of that matters because you CAN do it. Sorry you wasted your life typing that.

darkknight109 posted...

Except... no. No you can't.

The only game I can think of where you can easily solo is Fates with Xander/Ryoma or Awakening with a souped up Avatar.

Seems pretty straightforward to me. Or did you forget what it was you were actually saying that you "can" do?
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darkknight109 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

you can beat almost every game with one unit.

EvilMegas posted...

Guess what. None of that matters because you CAN do it. Sorry you wasted your life typing that.

darkknight109 posted...

Except... no. No you can't.

The only game I can think of where you can easily solo is Fates with Xander/Ryoma or Awakening with a souped up Avatar.

Seems pretty straightforward to me. Or did you forget what it was you were actually saying that you "can" do?

But you're wrong though. You said can't do it, but it can and has been done. I don't even know why you're still debating it.

ib4proveit
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Whoops, "You said you can't do it" is what I meant
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EvilMegas posted...

But you're wrong though. You said can't do it, but it can and has been done. I don't even know why you're still debating it.

Then maybe read the second half of my post?

darkknight109 posted...

All the other FE games would actually be *harder* to solo (and in some cases impossible) than to use a team, even with the best unit.

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It's either yes it can be done or no it can't. Stop making it more complicated than it has to be because you don't want to be wrong.

The bottom line is: You can beat almost every game with one unit, like I said. I ever said anything about the degree of difficulty beating it solo. Just the fact you can I can't believe this is still going on.
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Man, why did this topic have to turn so stupid?
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EvilMegas posted...

I ever said anything about the degree of difficulty beating it solo.

EvilMegas posted...

I love how everyone is saying permadeath requires a strategy when you can beat almost every game with one unit.

That's talking about difficulty.

This really isn't as complicated as you seem to think it is - you said something dumb and I called you out on it. Keep dancing around the fact to make it look like you said something else, but at the end of the day you're still wrong.
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Maybe I'll start it today

How's it coming along?

OmegaM posted...

How's it coming along?

I didn't start it