Current Events > Senate Hearing with James Comey - Live Discussion Topic

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Nobody ever demands anything unless there are 3 independent witnesses and a signed, official document.

It's Kim.

He doesn't know how to debate without just throwing childish insults out there.
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"Lordy, I hope there are tapes"

Lmfao
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This lady sounds like a SNL character lol.
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You guys see Donald Trump Jr's Twitter feed? He's going berserk. Like father like son.
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Just think how all this may be happening because Trump let some Russian hookers pee on a bed in front of him.

Boombam99 posted...

Just think how all this may be happening because Trump let some Russian hookers pee on a bed in front of him.

none of this is about trump being personally compromised

it's about his campaign being compromised and his attempts to cover that up.
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So nothing has happened yet?
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YookaLaylee posted...

So nothing has happened yet?

Bread can be so filling sometimes....apparently.
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So, is CNN just going to take the angle that Comey is a liar or how are they going to spin this to conform to their narrative?
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That's now three people from my count that are basically blaming Comey for Trump's incompetence.
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Caution999 posted...

It's Kim.

He doesn't know how to debate without just throwing childish insults out there.

*looks at who posted this*

LOL
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Bio1590 posted...

Caution999 posted...

It's Kim.

He doesn't know how to debate without just throwing childish insults out there.

*looks at who posted this*

LOL

I mean, go back and look at his posts. But that requires effort, something Liberals don't ever want to use, so...
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Caution999 posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Caution999 posted...

It's Kim.

He doesn't know how to debate without just throwing childish insults out there.

*looks at who posted this*

LOL

Liherals.

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Darkman124 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Not only did Trump never demand that Comey stop investigations, but he actually encouraged him to continue the investigations so that he and his staff could be cleared.

that is a direct lie.

If that's a lie, then Comey just lied.
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Darkman124 posted...

Boombam99 posted...

Just think how all this may be happening because Trump let some Russian hookers pee on a bed in front of him.

none of this is about trump being personally compromised

it's about his campaign being compromised and his attempts to cover that up.

But it's a domino effect that all could potentially have started from being blackmailed by Russia.

Nomadic View posted...

So, is CNN just going to take the angle that Comey is a liar or how are they going to spin this to conform to their narrative?

Why would CNN call him a liar? They love this and go hard on ratings constantly any time a scandal comes up. If they spin it for sure it won't be anti Comey.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

If that's a lie, then Comey just lied.

No, you lied about what he said.

He asked Comey to 'go public' that Trump himself was not under investigation, and he said "I hope you can let [Flynn's investigation] go" which Comey understood to be an order to the exact opposite of what you claim.
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YookaLaylee posted...

So nothing has happened yet?

So far they have absolutely nothing on Trump. Unless you're a liberal, then Trump is automatically guilty and there's nothing Comey can say that will change that.
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Darkman124 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

If that's a lie, then Comey just lied.

No, you lied about what he said.

He asked Comey to 'go public' that Trump himself was not under investigation, and he said "I hope you can let [Flynn's investigation] go" which Comey understood to be an order to the exact opposite of what you claim.

Expressing hope for something isn't an order, whether or not Comey took it that way.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

Expressing hope for something isn't an order, whether or not Comey took it that way.

I disagree and trust Comey's reading of the situation, but that's for our government to decide.

It is, however, an example of you lying about Trump encouraging the investigation of Flynn to continue. He specifically stated the opposite: encouraging that the investigation end.

You are a liar.
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TIL it's cool to threaten someone as long as the sentence starts with "I hope".
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So.... Trump was never under investigation.

Well then, how about that.
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Caution999 posted...

It's Kim.

He doesn't know how to debate without just throwing childish insults out there.

No one has insulted anyone.

My mistake. You trumpanzees are insulting our intelligence.
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How's your nothing burger taste?
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waste. of. time.
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

TIL it's cool to threaten someone as long as the sentence starts with "I hope".

The only way you'd take Trump's statement to be a threat is if you already have an unfavorable opinion towards Trump.
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It wasn't an order or demand. Pretty sure they asked Comey if anyone like the president told him to drop an ongoing investigation and he said no (as in official request; order, command).

Rather it is saying "I want to order you to do this, but that would be illegal so I will vaguely tell you I wish or hope that would do this"

as such there is implication that not doing what is hoped or wished means he will see you in a bad light and consider your termination and since Comey was actually fired, this was important enough to Trump

but yea, technically it is not an order, but still should be illegal
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No fuzz
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Okay, so Comey testified that the Trump/Russia collusion is bullshit. Move on, and ask why the FBI didn't investigate Bill Clinton meeting with AG Lynch on a private airplane while his wife was under investigation.
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Alright, this is just repetitive at this point. We know what happened. Now it's just 100 dudes asking Comey the same question 5 different ways.
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Unquestionable posted...

Nomadic View posted...

So, is CNN just going to take the angle that Comey is a liar or how are they going to spin this to conform to their narrative?

Why would CNN call him a liar? They love this and go hard on ratings constantly any time a scandal comes up. If they spin it for sure it won't be anti Comey.

Because he has repeatedly said that Trump is not and has never been under investigation. That is the exact opposite of what the unquestionable holy anonymous source said that CNN has been relying on for a month.
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Steve Nick posted...

Alright, this is just repetitive at this point. We know what happened. Now it's just 100 dudes asking Comey the same question 5 different ways.

That's what CNN is like every day
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Darkman124 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Expressing hope for something isn't an order, whether or not Comey took it that way.

I disagree and trust Comey's reading of the situation, but that's for our government to decide.

It is, however, an example of you lying about Trump encouraging the investigation of Flynn to continue. He specifically stated the opposite: encouraging that the investigation end.

You are a liar.

You know I always thought big you as being honest because of your intelligence, but Comey did flat out state that Trump encountered the investigations, then later he said Trump said he hoped the investigation against Flynn would end. You are straight up lying right now and calling him a liar.
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Banjo2553 posted...

TheBiggerWiggle posted...

TIL it's cool to threaten someone as long as the sentence starts with "I hope".

The only way you'd take Trump's statement to be a threat is if you already have an unfavorable opinion towards Trump.

How else should it be interpreted?
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Someone has already found an example of Ob of justice based on "I hope" https://twitter.com/adamliptak/status/872835418194157568
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

TheBiggerWiggle posted...

TIL it's cool to threaten someone as long as the sentence starts with "I hope".

The only way you'd take Trump's statement to be a threat is if you already have an unfavorable opinion towards Trump.

How else should it be interpreted?

If I were hoping to get a brand new car next month and said to you ya know I hope I get a new car next month, would you take that as an order from me to go out and buy me one? People tell other people what they hope will happen all the time without meaning it as a direct order.
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Howl posted...

You know I always thought big you as being honest because of your intelligence, but Comey did flat out state that Trump encountered the investigations, then later he said Trump said he hoped the investigation against Flynn would end. You are straight up lying right now and calling him a liar.

It was direct quoted and is in both his spoken testimony and written:

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

Calling that 'encouraging' the investigation is lying.

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/os-jcomey-060817.pdf
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My takeaway so far is that Trump isn't a criminal as far as the Russia thing is concerned but he's a narcissist, a pathological liar, and an abuser of power.

Like we all didn't know that already.
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_Raich_ posted...

Someone has already found an example of Ob of justice based on "I hope" https://twitter.com/adamliptak/status/872835418194157568

Ah, the mental gymnastics of the left.
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_Raich_ posted...

Someone has already found an example of Ob of justice based on "I hope" https://twitter.com/adamliptak/status/872835418194157568

Welp there goes that narrative.
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Darkman124 posted...

Howl posted...

You know I always thought big you as being honest because of your intelligence, but Comey did flat out state that Trump encountered the investigations, then later he said Trump said he hoped the investigation against Flynn would end. You are straight up lying right now and calling him a liar.

It was direct quoted and is in both his spoken testimony and written:

â€I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.â€

Calling that 'encouraging' the investigation is lying.

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/os-jcomey-060817.pdf

Earlier Comey directly stated that Trump did say he encouraged the investigation. How many times are you going to lie about this.
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Howl posted...

If I were hoping to get a brand new car next month and said to you ya know I hope I get a new car next month, would you take that as an order from me to go out and buy me one? People tell other people what they hope will happen all the time without meaning it as a direct order.

Let's ignore that Trump asked everyone else to leave and both knew he had the power to fire Comey.

The thing is that while it is not semantically an order it essentially works out to be an order.

Say you meet your boss a few days before your yearly review and he says "I would really like if this project is finished TONIGHT!"

Now, did he say "I as your boss command you to finish tonight!"? no
Did he say "Finish the project tonight or you are fired!"? no

But he did strongly tell you that his pleasure is that it is finished tonight and you understand that you will be reviewed as an employee in a few days, so you will likely want to do that to please him to get a good review.
Yes he never said you needed to do it to get a good review, but common sense says that if it is important enough for him to say he really wants it, not doing it means you get a bad review.

So Trump saying this to Comey was essentially saying "if you don't do this, I will probably fire you"
which is very close to illegal if not totally illegal
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who will rid me of this meddlesome FBI director
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Caution999 posted...

How's your nothing burger taste?

Ask Trump on Twitter if he likes horizontal stripped shirts
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BLAKUboy posted...

_Raich_ posted...

Someone has already found an example of Ob of justice based on "I hope" https://twitter.com/adamliptak/status/872835418194157568

Welp there goes that narrative.

Maybe if you completely ignore the "because it would make it worse on me and you" part of his quote.

_Raich_ posted...

Someone has already found an example of Ob of justice based on "I hope" https://twitter.com/adamliptak/status/872835418194157568

Scale of 1- 10, how bad will the liberal meltdown be if nothing comes of this? Will they have to relent and stfu about wrongdoing like they expect the right wingers to do about Clinton?

Howl posted...

TheBiggerWiggle posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

TheBiggerWiggle posted...

TIL it's cool to threaten someone as long as the sentence starts with "I hope".

The only way you'd take Trump's statement to be a threat is if you already have an unfavorable opinion towards Trump.

How else should it be interpreted?

If I were hoping to get a brand new car next month and said to you ya know I hope I get a new car next month, would you take that as an order from me to go out and buy me one? People tell other people what they hope will happen all the time without meaning it as a direct order.

Context makes your scenario and what happened with Trump completely incomparable.
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