Current Events > Why do women get so mad about the damn toilet seat?

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Asherlee10 posted...

Drpooplol posted...

Correct, but in this case it should be just as easy to develop a habit to check the toilet before sitting down as it should be to develop a habit to make sure the toilet seat is down once you're down.

It is easy if there is a reason for it.

_Goggalor_ posted...

Then you have a very, very weak brain and are making excuses.

I am not making excuses for anything. I am offering the explanation as to why it happens. Do you honestly think people WANT to fall into the toilet?

No, but you claiming to be one of the only people on the fucking planet that cannot train their brain to react differently over and over and over again is bs of the highest order.
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I have to admit, I too have suffered the fate of sitting on a toilet in the dark and realizing the seat was up. Multiple times. Thankfully my ass is big enough to keep me from hitting water, but it is unpleasant when it happens. I don't even have an excuse, other than to say that when I get up in the middle of the night to use the can my brain is not running at full capacity. Sometimes I just don't think about it.
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Who knew toilets would have this many posts.
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So is it or is it not a brain defect?
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I couldn't figure out why I was tagged in a topic about toilet seats. Now I know.

Yes, habit formation is a thing. Your life would be pretty awful if you had to put effortful cognitive thought into every action. I don't fully understand the controversy in the topic.
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COVxy posted...

I couldn't figure out why I was tagged in a topic about toilet seats. Now I know.

Yes, habit formation is a thing. Your life would be pretty awful if you had to put effortful cognitive thought into every action. I don't fully understand the controversy in the topic.

The controversy is Asher claiming habits can't be changed. I hit water even one time, I'd change my habits instantly. I'd be looking to see if it was down every damn time I went to the bathroom.
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I always put the seat down and close the lid to prevent my cat from playing in it.

But lol at asherlee really arguing that stimuli gating applies here. Stimuli gating is when your brain tunes out background noise while you're having a conversation and things that are not directly related to whatever task is at hand. Stimuli gating would be more applicable if it wasn't for the fact that the toilet seat is directly a part of the task you are about to do. Not noticing it isn't stimuli gating, it's just piss poor awareness/attention. (Pun intended) If a house has both men and women and the woman has fallen in, her brain shouldn't be filtering it out. That's clearly stimuli worth processing and I feel no sympathy for people who don't look before they sit down.

Asherlee10 posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

COVxy posted...

I couldn't figure out why I was tagged in a topic about toilet seats. Now I know.

Yes, habit formation is a thing. Your life would be pretty awful if you had to put effortful cognitive thought into every action. I don't fully understand the controversy in the topic.

The controversy is Asher claiming habits can't be changed. I hit water even one time, I'd change my habits instantly. I'd be looking to see if it was down every damn time I went to the bathroom.

I never said it can't be changed. In fact, I've said several times that usually 1 or 2 occurrences then sparks the brain to start paying attention to it.

So why the fuck don't people do that instead of making excuses?
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GregShmedley posted...

Honestly, both men and woman should put the seat AND lid down after. Not only is it a compromise, it eliminates toilet water slashing out, the risk of things falling in, and if there are children or animals around, they don't get in. Though the door should be shut as well.

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So this sounds like if you're used to the seat being down all the time, it's everyone else's responsibility to not be pre programmed and check for the one that can't or won't re-train their mind?
Because the argument of "My mind expects the seat to be down" can work the other way.
Since the topic asks the question "Why do women get mad when the seats up?" And the answer is because the mind is used to it being down, then the original question in the topic is even more valid.
Why get mad at the male when his mind is just as locked down as the females?
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_Goggalor_ posted...

I hit water even one time, I'd change my habits instantly.

That's not the way habits work, unfortunately. Also fortunately. But unfortunately in this circumstance.
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What I get mad about is when I go out in public and the previous person doesn't know how to aim. Otherwise, I could care less what position the toilet seat is in because I always check anyway.
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I look at the seat even though 99% of the time it's down. Doesn't matter what time it is, doesn't matter where I am even if I'm home, doesn't matter what I'm doing. If I gotta use the bathroom I'm looking at the seat prior. Takes a few seconds to do it, same with lifting it up/putting it back down.

I could be in an all male environment and still look.
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Asherlee10 posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

COVxy posted...

I couldn't figure out why I was tagged in a topic about toilet seats. Now I know.

Yes, habit formation is a thing. Your life would be pretty awful if you had to put effortful cognitive thought into every action. I don't fully understand the controversy in the topic.

The controversy is Asher claiming habits can't be changed. I hit water even one time, I'd change my habits instantly. I'd be looking to see if it was down every damn time I went to the bathroom.

I never said it can't be changed. In fact, I've said several times that usually 1 or 2 occurrences then sparks the brain to start paying attention to it.

So why the fuck don't people do that instead of making excuses?

I don't know why some people feel the need to make an excuse and I don't care. I am ONLY offering up an explanation as to why it happens. Again, do you think that people WANT to fall into the toilet? No.

Goggles is pretty bad at understanding women.

He's assaulted enough of them to prove it.
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DrizztLink posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

COVxy posted...

I couldn't figure out why I was tagged in a topic about toilet seats. Now I know.

Yes, habit formation is a thing. Your life would be pretty awful if you had to put effortful cognitive thought into every action. I don't fully understand the controversy in the topic.

The controversy is Asher claiming habits can't be changed. I hit water even one time, I'd change my habits instantly. I'd be looking to see if it was down every damn time I went to the bathroom.

I never said it can't be changed. In fact, I've said several times that usually 1 or 2 occurrences then sparks the brain to start paying attention to it.

So why the fuck don't people do that instead of making excuses?

I don't know why some people feel the need to make an excuse and I don't care. I am ONLY offering up an explanation as to why it happens. Again, do you think that people WANT to fall into the toilet? No.

Goggles is pretty bad at understanding women.

He's assaulted enough of them to prove it.

Goggalar cannot understand why someone cannot change habits. If he can change an external factor with violence, then how come you cannot change an internal one?
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Asherlee10 posted...

Did he admit to beating someone or something?

I put my abusive mother in a RNC until she went out then threw her body into the couch.
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What I get mad about is when I go out in public and the previous person doesn't know how to aim. Otherwise, I could care less what position the toilet seat is in because I always check anyway.

This is one of the reasons I don't get people who choose to pee in a stall when there are urinals available. It's really bad at my work, I could swear some of these guys are doing the helicopter while they piss
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GregShmedley posted...

Honestly, both men and woman should put the seat AND lid down after. Not only is it a compromise, it eliminates toilet water slashing out, the risk of things falling in, and if there are children or animals around, they don't get in. Though the door should be shut as well.

This, it was always a house rule my parents used to have us do and I still follow it.
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This is a big topic. Has anyone addressed why girls are exempt from touching the seat yet?
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you're fucking gross if you just willingly sit on a toilet seat without looking

Asherlee10 posted...

Haldol posted...

well then look first. If I don't want to cut myself while cooking, I am damn sure gonna be careful with the knife. Regardless of how many times I have used it safely

This "look first" argument means nothing because of Stimuli Gating in the scenario of a toilet seat.

Cutting with a knife is not even related at all. It isn't something that most people do on autopilot and there is a clear danger with a knife. Your brain assesses that differently. Perhaps if you are chef that uses a knife all day long, every day. There may be a day that you might slice your finger while not paying attention.

Haldol posted...

Yes it can be. But in court they don't care how hypnotized you are. It's still your bad for not paying attention. Most accidents can be avoided simply by being careful

Highway Hypnosis is not an excuse to get away with an accident nor am I suggesting that.

Haldol posted...

that's slightly different. You know there are no birds in your house. But if there were, then you'd be on the lookout. Likewise, if males have visited your house or if the toilet is sometimes closed, you should check before you sit because you know there is a possibility of the landing not being smooth. You've admitted that you'd sat on a cold closed seat before. Was that not enough to teach your brain to look First?

You just said it. "You know there isn't a bird in your house." Exactly. If the scenario is that the toilet seat is always up or down, you aren't really expecting it to be any other way and Stimuli Gating is relevant.

But you've said that you know that males come over and that you've sat in a closed seat before so the whole "it never happens thing" doesn't really apply.

You just admitted that it can and does happen occasionally

LightHawKnight posted...

If you put the seat up, put it down. I hate when I enter a stall and the seat is up at work. Why are you even urinating in a stall?!

Because I don't want my coworkers laughing at my small peepee.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Did he admit to beating someone or something?

I put my abusive mother in a RNC until she went out then threw her body into the couch.

Ouch. You threw her into the Republican national convention?

No one deserves that

Asherlee10 posted...

Haldol posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Haldol posted...

well then look first. If I don't want to cut myself while cooking, I am damn sure gonna be careful with the knife. Regardless of how many times I have used it safely

This "look first" argument means nothing because of Stimuli Gating in the scenario of a toilet seat.

Cutting with a knife is not even related at all. It isn't something that most people do on autopilot and there is a clear danger with a knife. Your brain assesses that differently. Perhaps if you are chef that uses a knife all day long, every day. There may be a day that you might slice your finger while not paying attention.

Haldol posted...

Yes it can be. But in court they don't care how hypnotized you are. It's still your bad for not paying attention. Most accidents can be avoided simply by being careful

Highway Hypnosis is not an excuse to get away with an accident nor am I suggesting that.

Haldol posted...

that's slightly different. You know there are no birds in your house. But if there were, then you'd be on the lookout. Likewise, if males have visited your house or if the toilet is sometimes closed, you should check before you sit because you know there is a possibility of the landing not being smooth. You've admitted that you'd sat on a cold closed seat before. Was that not enough to teach your brain to look First?

You just said it. "You know there isn't a bird in your house." Exactly. If the scenario is that the toilet seat is always up or down, you aren't really expecting it to be any other way and Stimuli Gating is relevant.

But you've said that you know that males come over and that you've sat in a closed seat before so the whole "it never happens thing" doesn't really apply.

You just admitted that it can and does happen occasionally

What "never happens thing" are you talking about?

The fact that you say your brain is not exposed to the seat being moved in your own house

This is not an easily answered question. There are countless variables as to why a person gets angry if the seat is up or something is out of place.
Temperaments, personality, gender roles, view of oneself in a relationship...
No simple answer.
Personally, I've always just put the whole thing down, lid and all, at home.
Outside the home, leave no trace. Regardless of what I do, I make it look like I was never there.
Bathroom ninja.

Edit-
Asherlee, I was never confused or misunderstood what you were saying. I called it being a creature of habit. You gave it a scientific name. I learned something new today. Thx!
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Seat and lid down when toilet isn't in use, no exceptions.
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As far as training the mind goes or being a creature of habit-
It depends on environmental upbringing to some extent.
I've been in the outdoors for my entire life.
The outdoors changes constantly.
Being a creature of habit can put you in a life and death situation in hurry.
You learn to look for the unexpected, constantly.
Usually, the people that get into trouble weren't being observant or paying attention.
I've had a couple of mishaps and they were because I ignored my own knowledge and didn't account for temperature change. The first one could have gotten my bran new wife killed from heat in the desert and the second could have gotten me killed from hypothermia.
Anyway, paying attention and looking for change isn't difficult as long as you're used to it.
Home is a bit different because that's the one place that you should be able to let your guard down.
If by nature, you're observant because of how you live, you don't get set so solidly on being a creature of habit.
That goes back to all the variables tha I mentioned above, though
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Asherlee10 posted...

It does happen at my house when we have visitors. I'm not understanding the point you are trying to make.

Yes you do

Haldol posted...

Can't they just put it back down?

Do most women just fall on the toilet without looking First??

Woman wakes up in the middle of the night, eyes haven't adjusted to the dark, goes to sit down, bare ass hits cold toilet water. I'd be pissed too.
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Haldol posted...

Can't they just put it back down?

You're likely the one who lifted it so why can't you just put it back down?
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big_john87 posted...

Has South Park taught us nothing?

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TheFuriousInch posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

If you put the seat up, put it down. I hate when I enter a stall and the seat is up at work. Why are you even urinating in a stall?!

Because I don't want my coworkers laughing at my small peepee.

*fistbump*

Unless you were joking, then, uhhh, I totally am too.
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It's an old rule based on simple biology.

The women in the household will make use of the toilet seat more often than the men. When a guy takes a leak, it's a quick in-and-out process (generally no use of the seat). And some guys don't even need to sit down when taking a poop.

For women, there can be more use of the toilet seat. What a lot of men don't understand is that some women need to take their time trying to pee. They can't just waltz into the bathroom and fire on command like most guys can. They have to relax their body enough to release. That means squatting somewhere comfortable. And for a lot of women that means using the seat. If you got a penis, congratulations, you typically have the faster equipment to piss with.

You got penis privilege, that's why you put the seat down for dear old Mom.

Then you wash your hands, like you're always supposed to do after taking a leak in a bathroom. You don't, but you're supposed to. So why don't we overlook the thousands of times you shook hands with unsuspecting people or hugged Mom with your grubby ass paws and you do at least one nice thing for her to make up for it by putting the fucking seat down...
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ClockworkHare posted...

And some guys don't even need to sit down when taking a poop.

Do they do a handstand?
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