Current Events > Fallout 4 is the worst game Bethesda ever made and don't you forget it

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It is a fucking disaster

Even the DLC sucked, most of it was more settlement shit even though settlements were awful and barely interactive if at all

Literally a voiced protagonist for an RPG where you create and play your own character
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I forgot...
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E32005 posted...

I forgot...

Forget to remember to forget
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Shoulda just made a game about Nick Valentine tbh, I'd play that.
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I liked it more than Fallout 3.
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I still have a damn blast with it so if that's their worst game...go them!
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I loved it. Playing through all the DLC now and it's great fun. People were way too harsh on the game. It had its flaws but it made a ton of improvements to the series. My only real complaints were the railroading and the lackluster ending. Literally, everything else was fun.

Not even remotely close.
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It was pretty bad but I think Skyrim softened me up.

Dumbed down dialogue wheel and 95% of quests being nothing but go to X location and kill Y guys turned the game off for me.

Leanaunfurled posted...

I still have a damn blast with it so if that's their worst game...go them!

Shit taste confirmed

Dash_Harber posted...

but it made a ton of improvements to the series

I can't think of anything besides shooting going from awful to playable. Game still uses the same engine as Oblivion and Fallout 3 and role play elements are essentially gone. It's one step forward, three steps back, and then tripping and breaking your collar.
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Slayerblade11 posted...

Dumbed down dialogue wheel and 95% of quests being nothing but go to X location and kill Y guys turned the game off for me.

I knew it was pretty bad when I did that mission for the quest outside of that one town and all they do is just take your crap and that's literally it..

Absolute trash
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I just toggle god mode for every new settlement and load it up with laser turrets. That way when the settlement is in trouble i can just fast travel there and wait 15 seconds for them to get lit the fuck up.
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Is it a dumbed down version of New Vegas? Most definitely. Is it bad? No.

I swear, if a game isn't a 9 or a 10, it's complete shit according to people nowadays.
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I mean, I enjoy bethesda games but they're not that good imo
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I played two hours and got bored. regret getting it
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Southernfatman posted...

Is it a dumbed down version of New Vegas? Yes. Is it bad? No.

I swear, if a game isn't a 9 or a 10, it's complete shit according to people nowadays.

lmao it has nothing to do with New Vegas. Or any other Fallout game for that matter. It's basically a terrible fanfic of the Fallout universe.

It was fun, u mad?
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I'm enjoying it very much.
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Fallout 4 is thus far the only Fallout game I've played and I loved it. So this topic is good news for me at least
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I'd mount Curie.
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Doe posted...

I can't think of anything besides shooting going from awful to playable. Game still uses the same engine as Oblivion and Fallout 3 and role play elements are essentially gone. It's one step forward, three steps back, and then tripping and breaking your collar.

Power Armor
Weapon and Armor Customization
Settlements (which, admittedly, were primitive but all in all a good idea)
A less obtuse perk system
Doing away with the stupid percentages
More memorable and interesting companions, and more obvious ways of recruiting them
Better designed creatures
Taking away things like being able to throw explosives in VATs
Making VATs not pause time
Making weapon perks based on how the weapon is used and not the type of ammo it takes

Even if you debate some of these, there is enough here to say that they made a lot of improvements, even if the story was lacking and the railroading sucked.

Dash_Harber posted...

A less obtuse perk system

Perks system is garbage in FO4 should have left in skills.
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SSBBSB posted...

I'd mount Curie.

one of mine. skin mapping's a bit fucked around the neck.
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CrimsonAngeI posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

A less obtuse perk system

Perks system is garbage in FO4 should have left in skills.

Yeah, it's so much more fun having to stop playing after every level up to look up the exact percentages you need for the perks you want because half the time they are invisible until you can get them. >_>

I disagree, it's streets ahead of FO3
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Southernfatman posted...

Is it a dumbed down version of New Vegas? Most definitely. Is it bad? No.

I swear, if a game isn't a 9 or a 10, it's complete shit according to people nowadays.

Bethesda didn't even make New Vegas

But yes, it is bad. The dated technology shows every time they try to do heights. Shooting is better but that doesn't stop the bullet-hoarding and damage sponge nature of the combat. The voiced protagonist and "Yes, Yes, Yes, or Yes" dialog wheel is such a monumentally dumb decision. And the first group you're introduced to is a radiant quest machine. They try to lean on settlements so that they can just make big open areas with a couple assets, but just because the player builds shit doesn't mean the nameless AI will interact with anything in a meaningful or interesting way. The writing and quests is by no means a shining example within the genre, and with the lack of role-playing and other issues, you're better off playing almost ANYTHING else, because Fallout 4 has nothing to offer. There's more substance and enjoyment in half of a New Vegas playthrough.
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what is brink
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Back_Stabbath posted...

what is brink

Not Bethesda.
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CrimsonAngeI posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

A less obtuse perk system

Perks system is garbage in FO4 should have left in skills.

I like this perk system much more.
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With mods, ai enjoyed Fallout 4.
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they published it so it's a bethesda game.
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bethesda ruined fallout
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jerrygamer2 posted...

I liked it more than Fallout 3.

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Dash_Harber posted...

A less obtuse perk system

The perk system is dumb as shit and much less interesting than picking characteristics for your character that changed your abilities. It's another example of the role-playing being stripped bare. Might be a more of a personal gripe, I admit, but I hate it.

Dash_Harber posted...

Power Armor

Objectively wrong. Power Armor is handled awfully in this game. It's supposed to be a huge fucking deal, like Daedric armor in Morrowind. It was originally the super rare end-game item. Fallout 4 turns it into a power-up but the engine is too shitty for it to be much more than armor+.

Dash_Harber posted...

More memorable and interesting companions, and more obvious ways of recruiting them

Disagree completely on them being better, especially compared to NV

Dash_Harber posted...

Taking away things like being able to throw explosives in VATs
Making VATs not pause time

The fact that VATS still exists shows that gunplay still sucks, because it's literally a crutch for the bad gameplay

Dash_Harber posted...

Better designed creatures

Did Fallout 4 have the giant but still unhittable bugs that fly? I'll give you this if it didn't but otherwise no

The rest of that was weapons and such being less archaic which I conceded previously
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Back_Stabbath posted...

they published it so it's a bethesda game.

Topic title: "Bethesda ever made"
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Dash_Harber posted...

Doe posted...

I can't think of anything besides shooting going from awful to playable. Game still uses the same engine as Oblivion and Fallout 3 and role play elements are essentially gone. It's one step forward, three steps back, and then tripping and breaking your collar.

Power Armor
Weapon and Armor Customization
Settlements (which, admittedly, were primitive but all in all a good idea)
A less obtuse perk system
Doing away with the stupid percentages
More memorable and interesting companions, and more obvious ways of recruiting them
Better designed creatures
Taking away things like being able to throw explosives in VATs
Making VATs not pause time
Making weapon perks based on how the weapon is used and not the type of ammo it takes

Even if you debate some of these, there is enough here to say that they made a lot of improvements, even if the story was lacking and the railroading sucked.

Weapon and Armor Customization is entirely pointless when there's really only one mod for each that completely destroys all other mods and there's no benefit to choosing the weaker one over the stronger one. It's a completely superfluous and superficial mechanic.

Settlements were stupid. They only exists for two reasons. 1 - Cheese the barter system so you could buy anything you wanted in the game for free. 2 - Unlock the "raise happiness to 100% in a settlement" achievement (another completely meaningless system where the best strategy is to keep no more than three people in the settlement and drop flamingoes and creepy paintings everywhere and then let the game run). They couldn't program basic stuff like walls snapping together (something Minecraft did back in like 2009) properly. And why does all the crap look old and blown up already? Why can't I build something that looks nice and new and make a real utopia for my people?

The Perk system in Fallout 4 only served to further destroy any semblance of role-playing in the series. Now you can just max out your SPECIAL and unlock basically whatever you want! Why not?

I don't know what you mean by "getting rid of the percentages".

The companions are boring and two dimensional.

"Better designed creatures"... You mean... Literally the same things from previous Fallout games, except with less diversity? 80% of the crap you encounter are raiders, super mutants and ghouls (that lie around on the ground and "trick you" like they're dead but omg they're really alive and getting up to kill you! [unless you ... figure it out after the second time it happens and just shoot them before they have a chance to do anything]). This is the exact same thing they did to the things in Skyrim. Before Skyrim, you had all sorts of fun ghosts and spooky things and they had specific weaknesses you had to exploit, or die. With Skyrim and Fallout 4... there's a total of maybe six enemies and it's all just about shooting them/hitting them until they go down.

And I don't see how not being able to throw weapons in VATS is a good thing... again, that's just removing something that's classic Fallout. So.

I don't know man, like the only thing I agree with you on is that the Power Armor mechanics are more interesting. That's basically about it.

THANK YOU DOE for recognizing the stupid blood bugs and bloat flies in Fallout 4.

Besides eating mini nukes from enemies a mile away who snapped on to my location after firing a silenced sniper rifle, I only died from the flying bugs. Literally that's it. Deathclaws usually just got stuck on the scenery or had some easy-to-exploit location to take them out from.

It's the same crap they pulled in Skyrim. Dragons are nothing compared to crap like bears and trolls.

I like how no one mentioned there's only two nigh-identical endings.
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IHeartRadiation posted...

I like how no one mentioned there's only two nigh-identical endings.

That's because

1) it's a meme
2) People with taste could hardly complete the main quest.

God what an awful main quest, especially all the third-grade level foreshadowing of your son's age
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I think they skipped the foreshadowing and went directly to opening up the curtains and letting that 9 AM sun shine in.

Doe posted...

Objectively wrong. Power Armor is handled awfully in this game.

*yawns* Toll tropic, nothing to see here folks.
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This is the worst topic you've ever made and don't you forget it, TC.

It is a fucking disaster.
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Oblivion is close
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masterpug53 posted...

Doe posted...

Objectively wrong. Power Armor is handled awfully in this game.

*yawns* Toll tropic, nothing to see here folks.

*Puts on shitter armor*
*HUD becomes worse*
*Footsteps become obnoxious*
Quality game design
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Doe posted...

masterpug53 posted...

Doe posted...

Objectively wrong. Power Armor is handled awfully in this game.

*yawns* Toll tropic, nothing to see here folks.

*Puts on shitter armor*
*HUD becomes worse*
*Footsteps become obnoxious*
Quality game design

oh shut up
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It's true

The HUD is objectively less useful in power armor. You can't see tell elevation or distance of enemies.
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Doe posted...

masterpug53 posted...

Doe posted...

Objectively wrong. Power Armor is handled awfully in this game.

*yawns* Toll tropic, nothing to see here folks.

*Puts on shitter armor*
*HUD becomes...*

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