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Amputation
06/11/17 1:31:06 PM
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(Preface: None of my opinion is ITT, just of the authors)

Liberal writer/pundit Thom Hartmann believes the second amendment was ratified in part to help preserve the institution of slavery. Is he right / wrong / crazy?

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery
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Vertania
06/11/17 1:41:57 PM
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I doubt that was the entire reason for it, but his arguement does make some sense.
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darkjedilink
06/11/17 1:42:20 PM
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Wrong. Nothing in the Constitution was written to preserve it, because most of the people involved in its writing and ratification were abolitionists.
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DarkChozoGhost
06/11/17 1:45:58 PM
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That sounds silly. Just because there's a large overlap of racist assholes and 2nd amendment fanatics doesn't mean there two have always been married
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Amputation
06/11/17 1:46:21 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Wrong. Nothing in the Constitution was written to preserve it, because most of the people involved in its writing and ratification were abolitionists.


Lol, I'm going to assume this is a joke.
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Soviet_Shurima
06/11/17 1:49:09 PM
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Vertania posted...
I doubt that was the entire reason for it, but his arguement does make some sense.

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Malcrasternus
06/11/17 1:58:08 PM
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No.

In fact I feel gun control itself has roots in racism, to prevent black people from protecting themselves effectively.
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Amputation
06/11/17 2:03:48 PM
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Malcrasternus posted...
No.

In fact I feel gun control itself has roots in racism, to prevent black people from protecting themselves effectively.


Uh...

Not even going to touch this weirdness.
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Vertania
06/11/17 2:04:37 PM
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Malcrasternus posted...
No.

In fact I feel gun control itself has roots in racism, to prevent black people from protecting themselves effectively.

What?
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Amputation
06/11/17 2:06:18 PM
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Vertania posted...
Malcrasternus posted...
No.

In fact I feel gun control itself has roots in racism, to prevent black people from protecting themselves effectively.

What?


The first time I've agreed with you, Vertania.

What? I would love to hear this explanation.
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Steelers
06/11/17 2:12:05 PM
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No the second amendment was passed to prevent tyranny, you know, the thing those dirty racists founding fathers had just fought a war to get free from. Slavery was only allowed because the southern states would not join the union without it.
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darkjedilink
06/11/17 2:15:54 PM
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Amputation posted...
Vertania posted...
Malcrasternus posted...
No.

In fact I feel gun control itself has roots in racism, to prevent black people from protecting themselves effectively.

What?

The first time I've agreed with you, Vertania.

What? I would love to hear this explanation.

What race is disproportionately prevented from legally owning firearms due to gun control laws?

Hint - it ain't white people.
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Amputation
06/11/17 2:16:30 PM
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Steelers posted...
No the second amendment was passed to prevent tyranny, you know, the thing those dirty racists founding fathers had just fought a war to get free from. Slavery was only allowed because the southern states would not join the union without it.


So does that make it have zero relevance today? Because all of the firearms on earth in the hands of Americans citizens could not prevent a tyrannical scenario against the government / military

Remember Waco?
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Amputation
06/11/17 2:17:09 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Amputation posted...
Vertania posted...
Malcrasternus posted...
No.

In fact I feel gun control itself has roots in racism, to prevent black people from protecting themselves effectively.

What?

The first time I've agreed with you, Vertania.

What? I would love to hear this explanation.

What race is disproportionately prevented from legally owning firearms due to gun control laws?

Hint - it ain't white people.


Citation required.
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Vertania
06/11/17 2:20:41 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
What race is disproportionately prevented from legally owning firearms due to gun control laws?

Hint - it ain't white people.

Today? None. Unless you can show me how race is a determining factor in getting a gun license.
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darkjedilink
06/11/17 2:50:31 PM
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Vertania posted...
darkjedilink posted...
What race is disproportionately prevented from legally owning firearms due to gun control laws?

Hint - it ain't white people.

Today? None. Unless you can show me how race is a determining factor in getting a gun license.

Black people have FAAAAR more felonies per capita than any other race in America. Felons can't legally purchase firearms due to gun control laws. Ergo, black people are disproportionately affected by gun control.

Not that fuckin' hard to follow.
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darkjedilink
06/11/17 2:51:30 PM
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Amputation posted...
Steelers posted...
No the second amendment was passed to prevent tyranny, you know, the thing those dirty racists founding fathers had just fought a war to get free from. Slavery was only allowed because the southern states would not join the union without it.

So does that make it have zero relevance today? Because all of the firearms on earth in the hands of Americans citizens could not prevent a tyrannical scenario against the government / military

Remember Waco?

Armed US citizens outgun the top 5 standing armies of the world...
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Sativa_Rose
06/11/17 2:51:34 PM
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Vertania posted...
darkjedilink posted...
What race is disproportionately prevented from legally owning firearms due to gun control laws?

Hint - it ain't white people.

Today? None. Unless you can show me how race is a determining factor in getting a gun license.


I think it might have more to do with cities with higher African American populations (see NYC, Baltimore, Chicago) having really strict gun control compared to other areas.
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lilORANG
06/11/17 2:52:13 PM
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I doubt it because the constitution itself sort of does that.
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Sativa_Rose
06/11/17 2:53:26 PM
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lilORANG posted...
I doubt it because the constitution itself sort of does that.


Preserve slavery? How did it do that exactly, just by not banning it?
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gunplagirl
06/11/17 2:54:15 PM
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Vertania posted...
I doubt that was the entire reason for it, but his arguement does make some sense.

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Amputation
06/11/17 2:54:43 PM
#23:


darkjedilink posted...
Amputation posted...
Steelers posted...
No the second amendment was passed to prevent tyranny, you know, the thing those dirty racists founding fathers had just fought a war to get free from. Slavery was only allowed because the southern states would not join the union without it.

So does that make it have zero relevance today? Because all of the firearms on earth in the hands of Americans citizens could not prevent a tyrannical scenario against the government / military

Remember Waco?

Armed US citizens outgun the top 5 standing armies of the world...


Hahaha, yeah, what a match for stealth bombers and tanks
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HogRiderreturns
06/11/17 2:55:33 PM
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Amputation posted...
Steelers posted...
No the second amendment was passed to prevent tyranny, you know, the thing those dirty racists founding fathers had just fought a war to get free from. Slavery was only allowed because the southern states would not join the union without it.


So does that make it have zero relevance today? Because all of the firearms on earth in the hands of Americans citizens could not prevent a tyrannical scenario against the government / military

Remember Waco?

How does that count? Waco wasn't people fighting against tyranny. It was a situation with some nutjobs that got out of hand.
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lilORANG
06/11/17 2:55:46 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
lilORANG posted...
I doubt it because the constitution itself sort of does that.


Preserve slavery? How did it do that exactly, just by not banning it?

yes, and by sanctioning it.
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Sativa_Rose
06/11/17 2:55:56 PM
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Amputation posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Amputation posted...
Steelers posted...
No the second amendment was passed to prevent tyranny, you know, the thing those dirty racists founding fathers had just fought a war to get free from. Slavery was only allowed because the southern states would not join the union without it.

So does that make it have zero relevance today? Because all of the firearms on earth in the hands of Americans citizens could not prevent a tyrannical scenario against the government / military

Remember Waco?

Armed US citizens outgun the top 5 standing armies of the world...


Hahaha, yeah, what a match for stealth bombers and tanks


It's kind of ironic how the US military fails against insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan, yet suddenly becomes this ultra-capable invincible weapon when dealing with hypothetical American insurgencies (and let's not ignore the fact that it's likely that the US military wouldn't just go along with attacking its own citizens, especially given how much of the military hails from "red states")
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Amputation
06/11/17 2:55:58 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Vertania posted...
darkjedilink posted...
What race is disproportionately prevented from legally owning firearms due to gun control laws?

Hint - it ain't white people.

Today? None. Unless you can show me how race is a determining factor in getting a gun license.

Black people have FAAAAR more felonies per capita than any other race in America. Felons can't legally purchase firearms due to gun control laws. Ergo, black people are disproportionately affected by gun control.

Not that fuckin' hard to follow.


Are you pretending to be outraged over this?
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HogRiderreturns
06/11/17 2:56:35 PM
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Amputation posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Amputation posted...
Steelers posted...
No the second amendment was passed to prevent tyranny, you know, the thing those dirty racists founding fathers had just fought a war to get free from. Slavery was only allowed because the southern states would not join the union without it.

So does that make it have zero relevance today? Because all of the firearms on earth in the hands of Americans citizens could not prevent a tyrannical scenario against the government / military

Remember Waco?

Armed US citizens outgun the top 5 standing armies of the world...


Hahaha, yeah, what a match for stealth bombers and tanks

Yes, because no one in the military would ever side with the people.
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Amputation
06/11/17 2:57:25 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Amputation posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Amputation posted...
Steelers posted...
No the second amendment was passed to prevent tyranny, you know, the thing those dirty racists founding fathers had just fought a war to get free from. Slavery was only allowed because the southern states would not join the union without it.

So does that make it have zero relevance today? Because all of the firearms on earth in the hands of Americans citizens could not prevent a tyrannical scenario against the government / military

Remember Waco?

Armed US citizens outgun the top 5 standing armies of the world...


Hahaha, yeah, what a match for stealth bombers and tanks


It's kind of ironic how the US military fails against insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan, yet suddenly becomes this ultra-capable invincible weapon when dealing with hypothetical American insurgencies (and let's not ignore the fact that it's likely that the US military wouldn't just go along with attacking its own citizens, especially given how much of the military hails from "red states")


A coup of a small number of paranoid rednecks does not compare to any other fighting force in the world on their home soil.
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The Admiral
06/11/17 2:57:49 PM
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There's almost nothing a regressive liberal can't blame on racism.
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Amputation
06/11/17 2:58:33 PM
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HogRiderreturns posted...
Amputation posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Amputation posted...
Steelers posted...
No the second amendment was passed to prevent tyranny, you know, the thing those dirty racists founding fathers had just fought a war to get free from. Slavery was only allowed because the southern states would not join the union without it.

So does that make it have zero relevance today? Because all of the firearms on earth in the hands of Americans citizens could not prevent a tyrannical scenario against the government / military

Remember Waco?

Armed US citizens outgun the top 5 standing armies of the world...


Hahaha, yeah, what a match for stealth bombers and tanks

Yes, because no one in the military would ever side with the people.


Wouldn't it depend on the reason for the coup? Because as of right now, nobody sides with paranoid RWNJ armed conspiracy theorists
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3rd_Best_Master
06/11/17 3:02:49 PM
#32:


Steelers posted...
No the second amendment was passed to prevent tyranny, you know, the thing those dirty racists founding fathers had just fought a war to get free from. Slavery was only allowed because the southern states would not join the union without it.

I always see people say this but they never elaborate on what form of tyranny the 2nd amendment is supposed to prevent. What scenario would have to occur for a reasonable part of the population to rise and fight the government? It certainly wasn't used when the government was rounding up Japanese and placing them in camps. It wasn't used when the government was experimenting on black people with syphilis. It's also not used to prevent the government from shooting unarmed civilians or stealing their property to fund police departments. So when will 2nd Amendment advocates rise up and fight off tyranny?
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Malcrasternus
06/11/17 3:04:06 PM
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There were several laws passed that either outright banned black people from owning firearms, before the bill of rights was fully formed, or worded it in a way that to an outsider wouldn't look racist, but blatantly was. For example, in southern states post civil war, laws were passed in areas that permitted firearm ownership only to official, documented soldiers of the confederate army.

Then we have the NRA, which pushed for the banning of open carry during the time when members of the Black Panthers would travel the streets with firearms either over the shoulder, or outright brandished in the streets. Funnily enough, no one had a problem with white people doing this until the BP started gaining traction. Other places banned the sale of cheaply made, crude firearms known as Saturday Night Specials, which again doesn't sound racist, but was passed during a time where black people were paid far less on the dollar, and couldn't afford the more refined, quality made, expensive firearms.

I'm not arguing that modern attempts on gun control is inherently racist, unless it targets specific areas, or bans firearms below a certain price point, but to say not one single piece of gun legislature in the history of this nation was passed without some sort of racist connotation(especially in the south) I feel borders on willful ignorance of the past.
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Vertania
06/11/17 3:05:21 PM
#34:


darkjedilink posted...
Vertania posted...
Unless you can show me how race is a determining factor in getting a gun license.

Black people have FAAAAR more felonies per capita than any other race in America. Felons can't legally purchase firearms due to gun control laws. Ergo, black people are disproportionately affected by gun control.

Race isn't the determining factor, being a convicted felon is. Felons of any race are prevented from legally owning guns.
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HogRiderreturns
06/11/17 3:05:30 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
Steelers posted...
No the second amendment was passed to prevent tyranny, you know, the thing those dirty racists founding fathers had just fought a war to get free from. Slavery was only allowed because the southern states would not join the union without it.

I always see people say this but they never elaborate on what form of tyranny the 2nd amendment is supposed to prevent. What scenario would have to occur for a reasonable part of the population to rise and fight the government? It certainly wasn't used when the government was rounding up Japanese and placing them in camps. It wasn't used when the government was experimenting on black people with syphilis. It's also not used to prevent the government from shooting unarmed civilians or stealing their property to fund police departments. So when will 2nd Amendment advocates rise up and fight off tyranny?

Because the people that cried the most over that stuff were a bunch of anti-gun liberal babies.
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lilORANG
06/11/17 3:06:06 PM
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Also a good number of northern states has abolished slavery before the Constitution was ratified, so some of the framers certainly weren't thinking about slavery.
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3rd_Best_Master
06/11/17 3:16:34 PM
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HogRiderreturns posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Steelers posted...
No the second amendment was passed to prevent tyranny, you know, the thing those dirty racists founding fathers had just fought a war to get free from. Slavery was only allowed because the southern states would not join the union without it.

I always see people say this but they never elaborate on what form of tyranny the 2nd amendment is supposed to prevent. What scenario would have to occur for a reasonable part of the population to rise and fight the government? It certainly wasn't used when the government was rounding up Japanese and placing them in camps. It wasn't used when the government was experimenting on black people with syphilis. It's also not used to prevent the government from shooting unarmed civilians or stealing their property to fund police departments. So when will 2nd Amendment advocates rise up and fight off tyranny?

Because the people that cried the most over that stuff were a bunch of anti-gun liberal babies.

2nd Amendment advocates will defend tyranny so long as it's happening to liberals? Lol wat
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Vertania
06/11/17 3:18:26 PM
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Malcrasternus posted...
There were several laws passed that either outright banned black people from owning firearms, before the bill of rights was fully formed, or worded it in a way that to an outsider wouldn't look racist, but blatantly was...

Okay, that makes more sense now that you expanded on it. I wasn't doubting that racism had some influence on gun laws btw.
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HogRiderreturns
06/11/17 3:21:37 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
2nd Amendment advocates will defend tyranny so long as it's happening to liberals? Lol wat

Why should gun people stand up to something that liberals won't. If it was something that was actually terrible you should have no problem picking up and fighting too.

Don't expect the gun people to do the dirty work while the liberals just sit back and try to take the credit.
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3rd_Best_Master
06/11/17 3:22:48 PM
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HogRiderreturns posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
2nd Amendment advocates will defend tyranny so long as it's happening to liberals? Lol wat

Why should gun people stand up to something that liberals won't. If it was something that was actually terrible you should have no problem picking up and fighting too.

Don't expect the gun people to do the dirty work while the liberals just sit back and try to take the credit.

So then the 2nd Amendment actually has nothing to do with fighting tyranny at all.
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HogRiderreturns
06/11/17 3:24:47 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
2nd Amendment advocates will defend tyranny so long as it's happening to liberals? Lol wat

Why should gun people stand up to something that liberals won't. If it was something that was actually terrible you should have no problem picking up and fighting too.

Don't expect the gun people to do the dirty work while the liberals just sit back and try to take the credit.

So then the 2nd Amendment actually has nothing to do with fighting tyranny at all.

It does, but everyone has to pull their weight. You can't just cry about problems and expect the gun people to just do the work themselves.
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3rd_Best_Master
06/11/17 3:26:09 PM
#42:


HogRiderreturns posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
2nd Amendment advocates will defend tyranny so long as it's happening to liberals? Lol wat

Why should gun people stand up to something that liberals won't. If it was something that was actually terrible you should have no problem picking up and fighting too.

Don't expect the gun people to do the dirty work while the liberals just sit back and try to take the credit.

So then the 2nd Amendment actually has nothing to do with fighting tyranny at all.

It does, but everyone has to pull their weight. You can't just cry about problems and expect the gun people to just do the work themselves.

So I'll ask again, which tyrannies is the 2nd Amendment meant to prevent? Your trolling has been pretty amusing so far, but actually answer the question this time.
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HogRiderreturns
06/11/17 3:29:18 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
2nd Amendment advocates will defend tyranny so long as it's happening to liberals? Lol wat

Why should gun people stand up to something that liberals won't. If it was something that was actually terrible you should have no problem picking up and fighting too.

Don't expect the gun people to do the dirty work while the liberals just sit back and try to take the credit.

So then the 2nd Amendment actually has nothing to do with fighting tyranny at all.

It does, but everyone has to pull their weight. You can't just cry about problems and expect the gun people to just do the work themselves.

So I'll ask again, which tyrannies is the 2nd Amendment meant to prevent? Your trolling has been pretty amusing so far, but actually answer the question this time.

Making sure we don't end up with dictators and violent military oppression nationwide against citizens of the US.

Also in case we ever have a Red Dawn situation.
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3rd_Best_Master
06/11/17 3:31:35 PM
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HogRiderreturns posted...
Making sure we don't end up with dictators and violent military oppression nationwide against citizens of the US.

And where were they when Japanese-Americans were being rounded up and being put into camps and having their livelihood destroyed?
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HogRiderreturns
06/11/17 3:32:56 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
Making sure we don't end up with dictators and violent military oppression nationwide against citizens of the US.

And where were they when Japanese-Americans were being rounded up and being put into camps and having their livelihood destroyed?

Same place the liberals were. Going about their lives.
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3rd_Best_Master
06/11/17 3:37:57 PM
#46:


HogRiderreturns posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
Making sure we don't end up with dictators and violent military oppression nationwide against citizens of the US.

And where were they when Japanese-Americans were being rounded up and being put into camps and having their livelihood destroyed?

Same place the liberals were. Going about their lives.

So just more trolling, gotcha.
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_Krave_
06/11/17 3:38:09 PM
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Can't people just say that literally everything has roots in racism?
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HogRiderreturns
06/11/17 3:42:26 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
So just more trolling, gotcha.

No, if it was a serious cause then liberals should have had no problem with picking up a gun and fighting the tyranny. You can't make other people do your dirty work for you. It is united we stand, not do this while I sit on my ass.
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Trigg3rH4ppy
06/11/17 3:42:49 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
Making sure we don't end up with dictators and violent military oppression nationwide against citizens of the US.

And where were they when Japanese-Americans were being rounded up and being put into camps and having their livelihood destroyed?

Are you dull?
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Malcrasternus
06/11/17 4:04:20 PM
#50:


_Krave_ posted...
Can't people just say that literally everything has roots in racism?


That's racist.
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