Poll of the Day > Which of these 3 types of people do you think most highly of?

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......what everybody else thinks
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Probably businessmen, although inventors are also cool. Obviously a combination of businessman and inventor is cooler. In fact, I've always kinda liked the "/inventor" more than just inventor by itself, whether it's a politician/inventor like Thomas Jefferson, a businessman/inventor like Elon Musk, or an actress/inventor like Hedy Lamarr
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I agree with most of the poll respondents, but how do you explain the fact that albert einstein is considered by many to be the smartest person who ever lived? He was also named time magazines's person of the 20th century. Personally i think the greatest inventors are greater than einstein.
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KazGT6 posted...

but how do you explain the fact that albert einstein is considered by many to be the smartest person who ever lived?

Not sure how that's relevant in any way, even if it were true.

KazGT6 posted...

He was also named time magazines's person of the 20th century.

Also not particularly relevant.

KazGT6 posted...

Personally i think the greatest inventors are greater than einstein.

Well, he developed a weapon with the power to bring the world to its knees so... that might be a bit subjective. He was instrumental in developing arguably the most terrible invention in history but, at the same time, it fundamentally changed the world.
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KazGT6 posted...

......what everybody else thinks

It's tricky because physicists probably have greater and more significant contributions but we don't see them directly/immediately so inventors get more practical credit. Business ppl are often more of a problem than anything else and usually get rich/successful off the backs of the scientists/inventors etc. so they're a clear last of the 3.

Syntheticon posted...

KazGT6 posted...

......what everybody else thinks

It's tricky because physicists probably have greater and more significant contributions but we don't see them directly/immediately so inventors get more practical credit. Business ppl are often more of a problem than anything else and usually get rich/successful off the backs of the scientists/inventors etc. so they're a clear last of the 3.

Except for the fact that physics isn't a purely academic affair, you have physicists who invent stuff as is the case with other scientists. And, technically speaking, even a lot of inventions on built on the backs of previous inventions. Likewise, most business practices are built on the backs of older business practices. I'm not sure anything really exists in isolation.
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Inventors, some of the most important things we use today were made by people who never got a college degree (and in some cases not even a high school one). Can't say the same for most business people or physicists.
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Dikitain posted...

Inventors, some of the most important things we use today were made by people who never got a college degree (and in some cases not even a high school one). Can't say the same for most business people or physicists.

Can't say the same in which regard? Education? Because the study of physics generally necessitates higher education these days. Business doesn't necessarily require it, but it gives you an edge the same as it does inventors. And, in general, a lot of the inventors who never got a degree often did so before higher education was readily accessible. However, you have tons of inventors who were college educated.

If you're talking about the things we use today, half the reason we have those things is because of businessmen. The availability of goods and services within a society is largely dependent on commercial enterprise which falls into the realm of business. You need a manufacturer to make the items, a wholesale distributor to buy them, and then a retailer to carry them -- assuming that the retailer doesn't function as an all-in-one, such as in the case of Apple. (And, depending on the product, physics might be involved.)
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Zeus posted...

Dikitain posted...

Inventors, some of the most important things we use today were made by people who never got a college degree (and in some cases not even a high school one). Can't say the same for most business people or physicists.

Can't say the same in which regard? Education? Because the study of physics generally necessitates higher education these days. Business doesn't necessarily require it, but it gives you an edge the same as it does inventors. And, in general, a lot of the inventors who never got a degree often did so before higher education was readily accessible. However, you have tons of inventors who were college educated.

If you're talking about the things we use today, half the reason we have those things is because of businessmen. The availability of goods and services within a society is largely dependent on commercial enterprise which falls into the realm of business. You need a manufacturer to make the items, a wholesale distributor to buy them, and then a retailer to carry them -- assuming that the retailer doesn't function as an all-in-one, such as in the case of Apple. (And, depending on the product, physics might be involved.)

All the business man does is see a good idea that has already been done and market it, while the inventor sees a problem most people don't think exists and creates a solution to it. While it is true that the business man usually gets all of the credit *COUGH*STEVEJOBS*COUGH*, inventors really are the people who have done all the work and should get the credit.

Anyone can become a business man or a physicist with the proper education. That can't be said for inventors. It is an skill that can't be taught.
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Dikitain posted...

Zeus posted...

Dikitain posted...

Inventors, some of the most important things we use today were made by people who never got a college degree (and in some cases not even a high school one). Can't say the same for most business people or physicists.

Can't say the same in which regard? Education? Because the study of physics generally necessitates higher education these days. Business doesn't necessarily require it, but it gives you an edge the same as it does inventors. And, in general, a lot of the inventors who never got a degree often did so before higher education was readily accessible. However, you have tons of inventors who were college educated.

If you're talking about the things we use today, half the reason we have those things is because of businessmen. The availability of goods and services within a society is largely dependent on commercial enterprise which falls into the realm of business. You need a manufacturer to make the items, a wholesale distributor to buy them, and then a retailer to carry them -- assuming that the retailer doesn't function as an all-in-one, such as in the case of Apple. (And, depending on the product, physics might be involved.)

All the business man does is see a good idea that has already been done and market it, while the inventor sees a problem most people don't think exists and creates a solution to it. While it is true that the business man usually gets all of the credit *COUGH*STEVEJOBS*COUGH*, inventors really are the people who have done all the work and should get the credit.

Anyone can become a business man or a physicist with the proper education. That can't be said for inventors. It is an skill that can't be taught.

yeah i completely agree dikit couldn't have said it better myself and imo you make a much better arguent than zu
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Businessmen

While Investors or scientists may break the ground on new technologies it is the businessmen of the world that market it, and essentially bring it to the world.
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KazGT6 posted...

Personally i think the greatest inventors are greater than einstein.

no
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Scientists easily.

Scientists are in it for the science.
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Scientist>Inventor>>>Businessman

I tend to think rather lowly of businessmen. Then again I'm what I guess would be called an inventor, so maybe I'm biased.
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Dikitain posted...

Zeus posted...

Dikitain posted...

Inventors, some of the most important things we use today were made by people who never got a college degree (and in some cases not even a high school one). Can't say the same for most business people or physicists.

Can't say the same in which regard? Education? Because the study of physics generally necessitates higher education these days. Business doesn't necessarily require it, but it gives you an edge the same as it does inventors. And, in general, a lot of the inventors who never got a degree often did so before higher education was readily accessible. However, you have tons of inventors who were college educated.

If you're talking about the things we use today, half the reason we have those things is because of businessmen. The availability of goods and services within a society is largely dependent on commercial enterprise which falls into the realm of business. You need a manufacturer to make the items, a wholesale distributor to buy them, and then a retailer to carry them -- assuming that the retailer doesn't function as an all-in-one, such as in the case of Apple. (And, depending on the product, physics might be involved.)

All the business man does is see a good idea that has already been done and market it, while the inventor sees a problem most people don't think exists and creates a solution to it. While it is true that the business man usually gets all of the credit *COUGH*STEVEJOBS*COUGH*, inventors really are the people who have done all the work and should get the credit.

Anyone can become a business man or a physicist with the proper education. That can't be said for inventors. It is an skill that can't be taught.

Except you literally can teach people to be inventors. Hell, there are whole courses in product development available at colleges and the concept of product development is fundamentally a business idea. The problem might be that you're thinking in prehistoric terms where creative work was done entirely from the gut -- be it an invention or ad campaign -- instead of through market research, focus groups, and a generally more scientific approach.

And, given the nature of invention, it's easier to be an inventor than either a businessman or a physicist. Especially since many inventions are just improvements on older inventions.
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These aren't types of people, these are jobs
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Mead posted...

These aren't types of people, these are jobs

If we're being overly pedantic and pigeonholing here, technically no. At least not in the case of inventor.
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Mead posted...

Zeus can I just post things without you quoting me to tell me you disagree

I already know

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Mead posted...

Mead posted...

Zeus can I just post things without you quoting me to tell me you disagree

I already know

Oh c'mon! You can't possibly object to a persnickety response to your persnickety response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPBPa2BQFRM
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Great inventors as I love tech and other useful items.
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Inventors.
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Zeus posted...

Probably businessmen, although inventors are also cool. Obviously a combination of businessman and inventor is cooler. In fact, I've always kinda liked the "/inventor" more than just inventor by itself, whether it's a politician/inventor like Thomas Jefferson, a businessman/inventor like Elon Musk, or an actress/inventor like Hedy Lamarr

that's Hedley!
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I voted for women
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