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thelovefist 06/13/17 9:24:10 AM #52:	Yes: 48 No: 2 --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:880991889] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>Yes: 48 No: 2</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 9:26:59 AM #53:	The Admiral posted... Lorenzo_2003 posted... gunplagirl posted... Fortunately the law is coming to side with me on this. Those who oversimplify this by genitals (flopping around dicks at a spa, classy) or not understanding gender are wrong and will hopefully change their views, else they remain on the wrong side if history and the present. Believe it or not, midway through your post, I wondered if you were going to invoke the "wrong side" of history argument and then... you did. Lol, I just thought it was amusing. I've heard people from NAMBLA use that argument before, too. There's definitely an "any change is progress" fallacy going on in negi's mind. So you jump straight to comparing trans women to male child molestors? One, we aren't men. Two, gender identity has nothing to do with sexual perversions regarding attraction to underage boys. Three, there's zero instances of bathroom attacks by any trans women ever but plenty by cis hetero politicians who rally against trans rights along that axis. If you're going to bring up something, make sure it is actually comparable and not merely for shock value as an attack upon our identities. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880992029] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote> Fortunately the law is coming to side with me on this. Those who oversimplify this by genitals (flopping around dicks at a spa, classy) or not understanding gender are wrong and will hopefully change their views, else they remain on the wrong side if history and the present.</quote> Believe it or not, midway through your post, I wondered if you were going to invoke the "wrong side" of history argument and then... you did. Lol, I just thought it was amusing.</quote> I've heard people from NAMBLA use that argument before, too. There's definitely an "any change is progress" fallacy going on in negi's mind.</quote> So you jump straight to comparing trans women to male child molestors? One, we aren't men. Two, gender identity has nothing to do with sexual perversions regarding attraction to underage boys. Three, there's zero instances of bathroom attacks by any trans women ever but plenty by cis hetero politicians who rally against trans rights along that axis. If you're going to bring up something, make sure it is actually comparable and not merely for shock value as an attack upon our identities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBiggerWiggle 06/13/17 9:27:42 AM #56:	It's clear to me when the business says "women only" they are referring to sex, not gender. This is because naked women are involved with the business. Most women would be uncomfortable around a naked, biological man they do not know. If you have a penis you cannot enter. It's simple. --- I have trouble concentrating because I have 80HD. <cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted [p:880992062] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>It's clear to me when the business says "women only" they are referring to sex, not gender. This is because naked women are involved with the business. Most women would be uncomfortable around a naked, biological man they do not know. If you have a penis you cannot enter. It's simple.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 9:28:30 AM #57:	thelovefist posted... Yes: 48 No: 2 The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880992096] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote>Yes: 48 No: 2</quote> The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 06/13/17 9:28:54 AM #58:	gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... Yes: 48 No: 2 The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now. What does that have to do with anything? Furthermore, you posted earlier that your opinion is not affected by it being in the overwhelming minority. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:880992112] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote>Yes: 48 No: 2</quote> The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now.</quote> What does that have to do with anything? Furthermore, you posted earlier that your opinion is not affected by it being in the overwhelming minority.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 9:29:23 AM #59:	TheBiggerWiggle posted... It's clear to me when the business says "women only" they are referring to sex, not gender. This is because naked women are involved with the business. Most women would be uncomfortable around a naked, biological man they do not know. If you have a penis you cannot enter. It's simple. Yoir interpretation is not how the law interprets it, thank you for your input --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880992139] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote>It's clear to me when the business says "women only" they are referring to sex, not gender. This is because naked women are involved with the business. Most women would be uncomfortable around a naked, biological man they do not know. If you have a penis you cannot enter. It's simple.</quote> Yoir interpretation is not how the law interprets it, thank you for your input</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 06/13/17 9:29:55 AM #60:	gunplagirl posted... This contributed massively to the conversation If this was reddit I'd upvote you for how elucidating and invigorating it was Hehehe, yes, I admit my response was more about me being pleasantly not surprised at your earlier comment. Meh, I too would like to walk around naked in a woman's spa. I think we are in agreement on that. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:880992162] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote> This contributed massively to the conversation If this was reddit I'd upvote you for how elucidating and invigorating it was</quote> Hehehe, yes, I admit my response was more about me being pleasantly not surprised at your earlier comment. Meh, I too would like to walk around naked in a woman's spa. I think we are in agreement on that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 06/13/17 9:30:12 AM #61:	gunplagirl posted... Paragon21XX posted... gunplagirl posted... KainWind posted... Can't they just relabel it for "cis women only?" That should solve the problem. That'd be discrimination against trans women and any gender fluid or non binary person who was assigned female at birth. Basically, there's no skirting around the issue without either showing you understand the basic premise of gender, or the lack therein "No penises allowed"? That would still be discrimination. Think of it akin to something like a bar that says "We only serve booze to people with healthy, functioning livers or people who have endured tens of thousands of dollars of payment in order to receive dialysis and later receive a healthy new liver via transplant." Demanding medical care in order for such luxury, in the united states at least, technically violates hipaa insofar as those cases have been challenged along similar axis of discrimination (ie support animal access). And yes, I mention this because there's a case that recently had trans rights defended successfully under the Americans with disabilities act. I would say this is more akin to an amusement park keeping some people off of rides due to height or weight restrictions. In other words, tough shit: the person should be the one expected to transition all the way, not society. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:880992170] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KainWind posted...</cite> <quote>Can't they just relabel it for "cis women only?" That should solve the problem.</quote> That'd be discrimination against trans women and any gender fluid or non binary person who was assigned female at birth. Basically, there's no skirting around the issue without either showing you understand the basic premise of gender, or the lack therein</quote> "No penises allowed"?</quote> That would still be discrimination. Think of it akin to something like a bar that says "We only serve booze to people with healthy, functioning livers or people who have endured tens of thousands of dollars of payment in order to receive dialysis and later receive a healthy new liver via transplant." Demanding medical care in order for such luxury, in the united states at least, technically violates hipaa insofar as those cases have been challenged along similar axis of discrimination (ie support animal access). And yes, I mention this because there's a case that recently had trans rights defended successfully under the Americans with disabilities act.</quote> I would say this is more akin to an amusement park keeping some people off of rides due to height or weight restrictions. In other words, tough shit: the person should be the one expected to transition all the way, not society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 9:30:20 AM #62:	thelovefist posted... gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... Yes: 48 No: 2 The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now. What does that have to do with anything? You know us west coast wacky doodle people, with our liberal views and tolerance and so on. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880992177] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote>Yes: 48 No: 2</quote> The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now.</quote> What does that have to do with anything?</quote> You know us west coast wacky doodle people, with our liberal views and tolerance and so on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 06/13/17 9:30:51 AM #64:	Someone with a penis trying to get in a fully-nude women's spa... Sounds like that person wanted to be turned down just to get attention and go to the media --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:880992198] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>Someone with a penis trying to get in a fully-nude women's spa... Sounds like that person wanted to be turned down just to get attention and go to the media</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 06/13/17 9:31:43 AM #65:	gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... Yes: 48 No: 2 The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now. What does that have to do with anything? You know us west coast wacky doodle people, with our liberal views and tolerance and so on. But you said your opinion being in the overwhelming minority didn't matter... --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:880992244] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote>Yes: 48 No: 2</quote> The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now.</quote> What does that have to do with anything?</quote> You know us west coast wacky doodle people, with our liberal views and tolerance and so on.</quote> But you said your opinion being in the overwhelming minority didn't matter...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 9:34:55 AM #66:	Paragon21XX posted... gunplagirl posted... Paragon21XX posted... gunplagirl posted... KainWind posted... Can't they just relabel it for "cis women only?" That should solve the problem. That'd be discrimination against trans women and any gender fluid or non binary person who was assigned female at birth. Basically, there's no skirting around the issue without either showing you understand the basic premise of gender, or the lack therein "No penises allowed"? That would still be discrimination. Think of it akin to something like a bar that says "We only serve booze to people with healthy, functioning livers or people who have endured tens of thousands of dollars of payment in order to receive dialysis and later receive a healthy new liver via transplant." Demanding medical care in order for such luxury, in the united states at least, technically violates hipaa insofar as those cases have been challenged along similar axis of discrimination (ie support animal access). And yes, I mention this because there's a case that recently had trans rights defended successfully under the Americans with disabilities act. I would say this is more akin to an amusement park keeping some people off of rides due to height or weight restrictions. In other words, tough shit: the person should be the one expected to transition all the way, not society. So then: trans women who legally changed their documents to say they're women still aren't women without surgery that you refuse to help finance despite the fact that theres been in depth research showing all US trans surgeries could be covered for a mere $0.10-20 cents a year in additional taxes per person. Yet I'm sure you'd disagree with such taxes? Furthermore, even should trans women have such surgeries, there are those who would go on to then bring up birth designations or "genetic females" (which would include trans men who have far less inclination to get bottom surgery given subpar comparative results). Do you not see how that is basically going to result in a game of raising the bar simply to prevent all trans women equitable access to women's spaces while allowing trans men to be in women's spaces despite being men? --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880992400] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KainWind posted...</cite> <quote>Can't they just relabel it for "cis women only?" That should solve the problem.</quote> That'd be discrimination against trans women and any gender fluid or non binary person who was assigned female at birth. Basically, there's no skirting around the issue without either showing you understand the basic premise of gender, or the lack therein</quote> "No penises allowed"?</quote> That would still be discrimination. Think of it akin to something like a bar that says "We only serve booze to people with healthy, functioning livers or people who have endured tens of thousands of dollars of payment in order to receive dialysis and later receive a healthy new liver via transplant." Demanding medical care in order for such luxury, in the united states at least, technically violates hipaa insofar as those cases have been challenged along similar axis of discrimination (ie support animal access). And yes, I mention this because there's a case that recently had trans rights defended successfully under the Americans with disabilities act.</quote> I would say this is more akin to an amusement park keeping some people off of rides due to height or weight restrictions. In other words, tough shit: the person should be the one expected to transition all the way, not society.</quote> So then: trans women who legally changed their documents to say they're women still aren't women without surgery that you refuse to help finance despite the fact that theres been in depth research showing all US trans surgeries could be covered for a mere $0.10-20 cents a year in additional taxes per person. Yet I'm sure you'd disagree with such taxes? Furthermore, even should trans women have such surgeries, there are those who would go on to then bring up birth designations or "genetic females" (which would include trans men who have far less inclination to get bottom surgery given subpar comparative results). Do you not see how that is basically going to result in a game of raising the bar simply to prevent all trans women equitable access to women's spaces while allowing trans men to be in women's spaces despite being men?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 9:36:24 AM #67:	frozenshock posted... Someone with a penis trying to get in a fully-nude women's spa... Sounds like that person wanted to be turned down just to get attention and go to the media Totally wants attention. Not at all related to wanting access to women's spaces as a woman themselves. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880992476] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote>Someone with a penis trying to get in a fully-nude women's spa... Sounds like that person wanted to be turned down just to get attention and go to the media</quote> Totally wants attention. Not at all related to wanting access to women's spaces as a woman themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 9:37:44 AM #68:	thelovefist posted... gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... Yes: 48 No: 2 The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now. What does that have to do with anything? You know us west coast wacky doodle people, with our liberal views and tolerance and so on. But you said your opinion being in the overwhelming minority didn't matter... I never formally responded with a yes or no, but suffice it to say, I doubt the results will end with such numbers were this topic to get more attention later today. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880992544] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote>Yes: 48 No: 2</quote> The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now.</quote> What does that have to do with anything?</quote> You know us west coast wacky doodle people, with our liberal views and tolerance and so on.</quote> But you said your opinion being in the overwhelming minority didn't matter...</quote> I never formally responded with a yes or no, but suffice it to say, I doubt the results will end with such numbers were this topic to get more attention later today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 06/13/17 9:38:07 AM #69:	Of course it was fair EDIT: IF the trans person had a penis then it's fair. If the trans person was post op, then it should be fine. The problem is Mrs. Penis would make all the women with VAGINA's uncomfortable. --- Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:880992565] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>Of course it was fair EDIT: IF the trans person had a penis then it's fair. If the trans person was post op, then it should be fine. The problem is Mrs. Penis would make all the women with VAGINA's uncomfortable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 06/13/17 9:38:40 AM #70:	gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... Yes: 48 No: 2 The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now. What does that have to do with anything? You know us west coast wacky doodle people, with our liberal views and tolerance and so on. But you said your opinion being in the overwhelming minority didn't matter... I never formally responded with a yes or no, but suffice it to say, I doubt the results will end with such numbers were this topic to get more attention later today. What do you expect the yes/no split to be? --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:880992600] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote>Yes: 48 No: 2</quote> The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now.</quote> What does that have to do with anything?</quote> You know us west coast wacky doodle people, with our liberal views and tolerance and so on.</quote> But you said your opinion being in the overwhelming minority didn't matter...</quote> I never formally responded with a yes or no, but suffice it to say, I doubt the results will end with such numbers were this topic to get more attention later today.</quote> What do you expect the yes/no split to be?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBiggerWiggle 06/13/17 9:38:59 AM #71:	gunplagirl posted... TheBiggerWiggle posted... It's clear to me when the business says "women only" they are referring to sex, not gender. This is because naked women are involved with the business. Most women would be uncomfortable around a naked, biological man they do not know. If you have a penis you cannot enter. It's simple. Yoir interpretation is not how the law interprets it, thank you for your input This is inaccurate. Plus, like I said women don't like to see the dicks of strangers. They don't want to be naked around those dicks. In fact if you show your dick to a woman who doesn't want to see it you usually end up on a sex offender registry. --- I have trouble concentrating because I have 80HD. <cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted [p:880992615] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote>It's clear to me when the business says "women only" they are referring to sex, not gender. This is because naked women are involved with the business. Most women would be uncomfortable around a naked, biological man they do not know. If you have a penis you cannot enter. It's simple.</quote> Yoir interpretation is not how the law interprets it, thank you for your input</quote> This is inaccurate. Plus, like I said women don't like to see the dicks of strangers. They don't want to be naked around those dicks. In fact if you show your dick to a woman who doesn't want to see it you usually end up on a sex offender registry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 06/13/17 9:40:04 AM #72:	This person has a penis, correct? Fair, next --- Oda break tracker 2017- 4 (2) Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:880992686] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>This person has a penis, correct? Fair, next</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 06/13/17 9:40:45 AM #73:	Hey negi, do you think that the spa being able to segregate at all is discrimination? Is it an injustice that men aren't allowed to use it, transgender issue aside? --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:880992724] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>Hey negi, do you think that the spa being able to segregate at all is discrimination? Is it an injustice that men aren't allowed to use it, transgender issue aside?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 9:42:15 AM #74:	TheBiggerWiggle posted... gunplagirl posted... TheBiggerWiggle posted... It's clear to me when the business says "women only" they are referring to sex, not gender. This is because naked women are involved with the business. Most women would be uncomfortable around a naked, biological man they do not know. If you have a penis you cannot enter. It's simple. Yoir interpretation is not how the law interprets it, thank you for your input This is inaccurate. Plus, like I said women don't like to see the dicks of strangers. They don't want to be naked around those dicks. In fact if you show your dick to a woman who doesn't want to see it you usually end up on a sex offender registry. And if you show a vagina to somebody, you can as well. Context and intent. Having nude bits hanging out at a nude beach or spa is not the same as intentionally revealing them for the sake of shock or some other sexual delight. To conflate them is very off target --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880992810] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote>It's clear to me when the business says "women only" they are referring to sex, not gender. This is because naked women are involved with the business. Most women would be uncomfortable around a naked, biological man they do not know. If you have a penis you cannot enter. It's simple.</quote> Yoir interpretation is not how the law interprets it, thank you for your input</quote> This is inaccurate. Plus, like I said women don't like to see the dicks of strangers. They don't want to be naked around those dicks. In fact if you show your dick to a woman who doesn't want to see it you usually end up on a sex offender registry.</quote> And if you show a vagina to somebody, you can as well. Context and intent. Having nude bits hanging out at a nude beach or spa is not the same as intentionally revealing them for the sake of shock or some other sexual delight. To conflate them is very off target</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 9:43:46 AM #75:	The Admiral posted... Hey negi, do you think that the spa being able to segregate at all is discrimination? Is it an injustice that men aren't allowed to use it, transgender issue aside? Could you find the site for the spa, I want to look around to see if it is indeed 100% only for women before I can comment on such a thing but I don't have time to poke around for their site for another 20 minutes or so. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880992895] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Hey negi, do you think that the spa being able to segregate at all is discrimination? Is it an injustice that men aren't allowed to use it, transgender issue aside?</quote> Could you find the site for the spa, I want to look around to see if it is indeed 100% only for women before I can comment on such a thing but I don't have time to poke around for their site for another 20 minutes or so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 06/13/17 9:44:05 AM #76:	does she have a dick? because yea, you don't want a girl with a dick hanging out there in a woman's spa. :u If she had a pussy then I don't see the problem. --- http://i.imgur.com/oxJUXM4.jpg <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:880992908] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>does she have a dick? because yea, you don't want a girl with a dick hanging out there in a woman's spa. :u If she had a pussy then I don't see the problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 06/13/17 9:45:32 AM #78:	thelovefist posted... gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... Yes: 48 No: 2 The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now. What does that have to do with anything? You know us west coast wacky doodle people, with our liberal views and tolerance and so on. But you said your opinion being in the overwhelming minority didn't matter... I never formally responded with a yes or no, but suffice it to say, I doubt the results will end with such numbers were this topic to get more attention later today. What do you expect the yes/no split to be? Closer to 10-15% on my side but I cannot speak for certain as I don't know if you set it to one per IP address voting or not. If you didn't, I know at least one person who posted likely ballot stuffed as it were. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880992999] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote>Yes: 48 No: 2</quote> The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now.</quote> What does that have to do with anything?</quote> You know us west coast wacky doodle people, with our liberal views and tolerance and so on.</quote> But you said your opinion being in the overwhelming minority didn't matter...</quote> I never formally responded with a yes or no, but suffice it to say, I doubt the results will end with such numbers were this topic to get more attention later today.</quote> What do you expect the yes/no split to be?</quote> Closer to 10-15% on my side but I cannot speak for certain as I don't know if you set it to one per IP address voting or not. If you didn't, I know at least one person who posted likely ballot stuffed as it were.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBiggerWiggle 06/13/17 9:46:11 AM #79:	gunplagirl posted... TheBiggerWiggle posted... gunplagirl posted... TheBiggerWiggle posted... It's clear to me when the business says "women only" they are referring to sex, not gender. This is because naked women are involved with the business. Most women would be uncomfortable around a naked, biological man they do not know. If you have a penis you cannot enter. It's simple. Yoir interpretation is not how the law interprets it, thank you for your input This is inaccurate. Plus, like I said women don't like to see the dicks of strangers. They don't want to be naked around those dicks. In fact if you show your dick to a woman who doesn't want to see it you usually end up on a sex offender registry. And if you show a vagina to somebody, you can as well. Context and intent. Having nude bits hanging out at a nude beach or spa is not the same as intentionally revealing them for the sake of shock or some other sexual delight. To conflate them is very off target The business has naked biological female and is a no-penis zone. If you walk into that zone and show a penis you are essentially a sex offender. There is no other logical way to look at it. --- I have trouble concentrating because I have 80HD. <cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted [p:880993027] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote>It's clear to me when the business says "women only" they are referring to sex, not gender. This is because naked women are involved with the business. Most women would be uncomfortable around a naked, biological man they do not know. If you have a penis you cannot enter. It's simple.</quote> Yoir interpretation is not how the law interprets it, thank you for your input</quote> This is inaccurate. Plus, like I said women don't like to see the dicks of strangers. They don't want to be naked around those dicks. In fact if you show your dick to a woman who doesn't want to see it you usually end up on a sex offender registry.</quote> And if you show a vagina to somebody, you can as well. Context and intent. Having nude bits hanging out at a nude beach or spa is not the same as intentionally revealing them for the sake of shock or some other sexual delight. To conflate them is very off target</quote> The business has naked biological female and is a no-penis zone. If you walk into that zone and show a penis you are essentially a sex offender. There is no other logical way to look at it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 06/13/17 9:46:16 AM #80:	gunplagirl posted... The Admiral posted... Hey negi, do you think that the spa being able to segregate at all is discrimination? Is it an injustice that men aren't allowed to use it, transgender issue aside? Could you find the site for the spa, I want to look around to see if it is indeed 100% only for women before I can comment on such a thing but I don't have time to poke around for their site for another 20 minutes or so. Did you read the OP... https://bodyblitzspa.com/ --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:880993032] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Hey negi, do you think that the spa being able to segregate at all is discrimination? Is it an injustice that men aren't allowed to use it, transgender issue aside?</quote> Could you find the site for the spa, I want to look around to see if it is indeed 100% only for women before I can comment on such a thing but I don't have time to poke around for their site for another 20 minutes or so.</quote> Did you read the OP... https://bodyblitzspa.com/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 06/13/17 9:46:35 AM #81:	Sorry... regardless of how you feel, if you still have a penis, you shouldn't be allowed into a spa with only people with vaginas. Your feelings are not more important than common sense. --- Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:880993056] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>Sorry... regardless of how you feel, if you still have a penis, you shouldn't be allowed into a spa with only people with vaginas. Your feelings are not more important than common sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AugustAdoulin 06/13/17 9:47:19 AM #82:	Dustin1280 posted... Sorry... regardless of how you feel, if you still have a penis, you shouldn't be allowed into a spa with only people with vaginas. yea, that's just common sense. Most girls think dicks are gross to begin with. :u --- http://i.imgur.com/oxJUXM4.jpg <cite>AugustAdoulin posted [p:880993115] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Sorry... regardless of how you feel, if you still have a penis, you shouldn't be allowed into a spa with only people with vaginas.</quote> yea, that's just common sense. Most girls think dicks are gross to begin with. :u</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 06/13/17 9:48:04 AM #83:	frozenshock posted... Someone with a penis trying to get in a fully-nude women's spa... Sounds like that person wanted to be turned down just to get attention and go to the media A request to speak to the person who was allegedly refused service was turned down. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:880993154] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote>Someone with a penis trying to get in a fully-nude women's spa... Sounds like that person wanted to be turned down just to get attention and go to the media</quote> <quote>A request to speak to the person who was allegedly refused service was turned down.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 9:48:39 AM #84:	leverageblargh posted... gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... Yes: 48 No: 2 The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now. What does that have to do with anything? You know us west coast wacky doodle people, with our liberal views and tolerance and so on. But you said your opinion being in the overwhelming minority didn't matter... I never formally responded with a yes or no, but suffice it to say, I doubt the results will end with such numbers were this topic to get more attention later today. This is the kind of naive shit I would expect a newbie to say, not someone who's been here for years and should know what this "community" is like Actually I'm just in it for the screenshots at this point. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880993183] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>leverageblargh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote>Yes: 48 No: 2</quote> The west coast is barely even up yet. 6:29 am here, I'd wager only a few are even up for school or work right now.</quote> What does that have to do with anything?</quote> You know us west coast wacky doodle people, with our liberal views and tolerance and so on.</quote> But you said your opinion being in the overwhelming minority didn't matter...</quote> I never formally responded with a yes or no, but suffice it to say, I doubt the results will end with such numbers were this topic to get more attention later today.</quote> This is the kind of naive shit I would expect a newbie to say, not someone who's been here for years and should know what this "community" is like</quote> Actually I'm just in it for the screenshots at this point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 9:49:21 AM #85:	Dustin1280 posted... Sorry... regardless of how you feel, if you still have a penis, you shouldn't be allowed into a spa with only people with vaginas. Your feelings are not more important than common sense. Gender identity isn't feelings. Check out the dhs-5 for more details! --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880993221] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Sorry... regardless of how you feel, if you still have a penis, you shouldn't be allowed into a spa with only people with vaginas. Your feelings are not more important than common sense.</quote> Gender identity isn't feelings. Check out the dhs-5 for more details!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 06/13/17 9:49:49 AM #86:	eston posted... frozenshock posted... Someone with a penis trying to get in a fully-nude women's spa... Sounds like that person wanted to be turned down just to get attention and go to the media A request to speak to the person who was allegedly refused service was turned down. Of course this person's lawyer told them not to talk, bad for the inevitable frivolous lawsuit. --- Oda break tracker 2017- 4 (2) Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:880993247] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote>Someone with a penis trying to get in a fully-nude women's spa... Sounds like that person wanted to be turned down just to get attention and go to the media</quote> <quote>A request to speak to the person who was allegedly refused service was turned down.</quote></quote> Of course this person's lawyer told them not to talk, bad for the inevitable frivolous lawsuit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 9:51:26 AM #87:	TheBiggerWiggle posted... gunplagirl posted... TheBiggerWiggle posted... gunplagirl posted... TheBiggerWiggle posted... It's clear to me when the business says "women only" they are referring to sex, not gender. This is because naked women are involved with the business. Most women would be uncomfortable around a naked, biological man they do not know. If you have a penis you cannot enter. It's simple. Yoir interpretation is not how the law interprets it, thank you for your input This is inaccurate. Plus, like I said women don't like to see the dicks of strangers. They don't want to be naked around those dicks. In fact if you show your dick to a woman who doesn't want to see it you usually end up on a sex offender registry. And if you show a vagina to somebody, you can as well. Context and intent. Having nude bits hanging out at a nude beach or spa is not the same as intentionally revealing them for the sake of shock or some other sexual delight. To conflate them is very off target The business has naked biological female and is a no-penis zone. If you walk into that zone and show a penis you are essentially a sex offender. There is no other logical way to look at it. Do you know she wasn't intersex? Do you know all the cis women are not intersex? "Biological woman" he says. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880993342] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote>It's clear to me when the business says "women only" they are referring to sex, not gender. This is because naked women are involved with the business. Most women would be uncomfortable around a naked, biological man they do not know. If you have a penis you cannot enter. It's simple.</quote> Yoir interpretation is not how the law interprets it, thank you for your input</quote> This is inaccurate. Plus, like I said women don't like to see the dicks of strangers. They don't want to be naked around those dicks. In fact if you show your dick to a woman who doesn't want to see it you usually end up on a sex offender registry.</quote> And if you show a vagina to somebody, you can as well. Context and intent. Having nude bits hanging out at a nude beach or spa is not the same as intentionally revealing them for the sake of shock or some other sexual delight. To conflate them is very off target</quote> The business has naked biological female and is a no-penis zone. If you walk into that zone and show a penis you are essentially a sex offender. There is no other logical way to look at it.</quote> Do you know she wasn't intersex? Do you know all the cis women are not intersex? "Biological woman" he says.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 06/13/17 9:52:10 AM #88:	@gunplagirl In your perfect 100% trans-rights world, let's assume for the sake of argument the law backs everything you believe trans people should be able to do. In such a world would I be able to LEGALLY say I identify as a man one day (granting me all freedoms/access to men's facilities and the next day I identify as a women (granting me all freedoms/access to women's facilities. I understand this would be taking advantage of the system, but would this be legal? --- Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:880993382] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>@gunplagirl In your perfect 100% trans-rights world, let's assume for the sake of argument the law backs everything you believe trans people should be able to do. In such a world would I be able to LEGALLY say I identify as a man one day (granting me all freedoms/access to men's facilities and the next day I identify as a women (granting me all freedoms/access to women's facilities. I understand this would be taking advantage of the system, but would this be legal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 06/13/17 9:52:54 AM #89:	gunplagirl posted... Actually I'm just in it for the screenshots at this point. You keep screenshots of gamefaqs posts? l o l --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:880993422] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Actually I'm just in it for the screenshots at this point.</quote> You keep screenshots of gamefaqs posts? l o l</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 06/13/17 9:53:01 AM #90:	This is the fairest of fairs. Why the shit would that person think it's okay to be the only dick chilling there. --- http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:880993428] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>This is the fairest of fairs. Why the shit would that person think it's okay to be the only dick chilling there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monday 06/13/17 9:53:52 AM #91:	gunplagirl posted... That would still be discrimination. I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. As a business, they have to consider the feelings of the rest of the women who visit. Trans issues are a sensitive subject, yes, but you're not going to change how the public views something by forcing them to be comfortable with an unfamiliar lifestyle. One trans woman who still has a penis walking into a room filled with nude women just isn't a realistic and acceptable goal right now. That's reality. --- http://i.imgur.com/xufaPCs.gif https://i.imgtc.com/iz1Ql9V.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/HJrfmRk.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KRQrSDs.jpg <cite>Monday posted [p:880993480] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>That would still be discrimination.</quote> I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. As a business, they have to consider the feelings of the rest of the women who visit. Trans issues are a sensitive subject, yes, but you're not going to change how the public views something by forcing them to be comfortable with an unfamiliar lifestyle. One trans woman who still has a penis walking into a room filled with nude women just isn't a realistic and acceptable goal right now. That's reality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DifferentialEquation 06/13/17 9:54:22 AM #93:	If it's fair to have a women only spa, then it's also fair to have cis-women only spa. --- "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:880993507] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>If it's fair to have a women only spa, then it's also fair to have cis-women only spa.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dustin1280 06/13/17 9:59:15 AM #96:	Asherlee10 posted... The Admiral posted... Asherlee10 posted... Blackstar110 posted... If the person in question has a penis, fair If the person in question does not have a penis, not fair It's that simple for me. The whole question of "but what if they're a pervert just claiming to be trans!" is rendered moot if they're already transitioned or at least mid-process. I agree. I'm on board with this. Basically, the most important feelings are all the all the natural-born women at the club, since the place shuts down without them. Many of them are not going to be comfortable with dicks flopping around in that setting. But if the transgender is post-op, most of that discomfort should do away. I have the same sentiment. Since this is CE, I should note that I would feel the same in the opposite scenario if this was a men's spa/bathhouse (not a sex house). The transgendered person would need to be post-op. For the record I agree with this 100% --- Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:880993803] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Blackstar110 posted...</cite> <quote>If the person in question has a penis, fair If the person in question does not have a penis, not fair It's that simple for me. The whole question of "but what if they're a pervert just claiming to be trans!" is rendered moot if they're already transitioned or at least mid-process.</quote> I agree.</quote> I'm on board with this. Basically, the most important feelings are all the all the natural-born women at the club, since the place shuts down without them. Many of them are not going to be comfortable with dicks flopping around in that setting. But if the transgender is post-op, most of that discomfort should do away.</quote> I have the same sentiment. Since this is CE, I should note that I would feel the same in the opposite scenario if this was a men's spa/bathhouse (not a sex house). The transgendered person would need to be post-op.</quote> For the record I agree with this 100%</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 10:02:38 AM #97:	Dustin1280 posted... @gunplagirl In your perfect 100% trans-rights world, let's assume for the sake of argument the law backs everything you believe trans people should be able to do. In such a world would I be able to LEGALLY say I identify as a man one day (granting me all freedoms/access to men's facilities and the next day I identify as a women (granting me all freedoms/access to women's facilities. I understand this would be taking advantage of the system, but would this be legal? If anyone were to challenge you on that and you got charged, you would have zero evidence to verify any genuine desire to live as a woman. as such you would rightfully lose and be punished. But fortunately zero people have actually tried what you said and won in court doing so, as there was copious evidence they were not trans at all. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880993995] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>@gunplagirl In your perfect 100% trans-rights world, let's assume for the sake of argument the law backs everything you believe trans people should be able to do. In such a world would I be able to LEGALLY say I identify as a man one day (granting me all freedoms/access to men's facilities and the next day I identify as a women (granting me all freedoms/access to women's facilities. I understand this would be taking advantage of the system, but would this be legal?</quote> If anyone were to challenge you on that and you got charged, you would have zero evidence to verify any genuine desire to live as a woman. as such you would rightfully lose and be punished. But fortunately zero people have actually tried what you said and won in court doing so, as there was copious evidence they were not trans at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 06/13/17 10:03:04 AM #98:	So a woman wanted to use a woman's only spa, and she was turned down, because....? And CE supports this of course. Fucking sad. --- https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/35939727.jpg <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:880994026] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>So a woman wanted to use a woman's only spa, and she was turned down, because....? And CE supports this of course. Fucking sad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AmonAmarth 06/13/17 10:04:43 AM #99:	110% fair. --- i7-4790@ 3.6GHZ \| GA-Z97-HD3 \| ASUS GTX 960 2GB \| Samsung 850 EVO 250GB \| 1TB HDD \| CX750M \| 12GB DDR3 <cite>AmonAmarth posted [p:880994118] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>110% fair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nazanir 06/13/17 10:04:52 AM #100:	thelovefist posted... megamanfreakXD posted... Yeah. He's a male right? It is a transgender person that identifies as female. He can indentify as female all he wants, chromosones make him male. Fair, next. --- XboX GT/Steam/Wii-U - Nazanir <cite>Nazanir posted [p:880994126] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>megamanfreakXD posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah. He's a male right?</quote> It is a transgender person that identifies as female.</quote> He can indentify as female all he wants, chromosones make him male. Fair, next.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 06/13/17 10:06:30 AM #101:	Another note, bodyblitzspa has a "no male genitalia" policy, this is why the person was denied. And as said above, that is 100% what should have happened. --- Smash DS Code: 4554-0120-5368 SB4 Name: Roz RIP: Orlando of the Axe Karma: 1642 --he delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:880994235] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>Another note, bodyblitzspa has a "no male genitalia" policy, this is why the person was denied. And as said above, that is 100% what should have happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 10:06:32 AM #102:	REMercsChamp posted... So a woman wanted to use a woman's only spa, and she was turned down, because....? And CE supports this of course. Fucking sad. Because they don't consider her or any other trans women to actually be women. But they'll try and write it off with biological information that was accurate for 8th graders decades ago and isn't actually accurate anymore. Or else they'll wave around genitals and birth designation. Or my favorite, asterisk --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880994239] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>So a woman wanted to use a woman's only spa, and she was turned down, because....? And CE supports this of course. Fucking sad.</quote> Because they don't consider her or any other trans women to actually be women. But they'll try and write it off with biological information that was accurate for 8th graders decades ago and isn't actually accurate anymore. Or else they'll wave around genitals and birth designation. Or my favorite, asterisk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chicken 06/13/17 10:06:57 AM #103:	Imagination does not over rule science. --- http://i.imgur.com/VoUNVY8.jpg <cite>Chicken posted [p:880994268] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote>Imagination does not over rule science.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 06/13/17 10:07:25 AM #104:	Nazanir posted... thelovefist posted... megamanfreakXD posted... Yeah. He's a male right? It is a transgender person that identifies as female. He can indentify as female all he wants, chromosones make him male. Fair, next. Proof she has XY chromosomes? She's a woman. They'd still be a female chromosomal pairing --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:880994308] in Trans woma... [t:75454709]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nazanir posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>megamanfreakXD posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah. He's a male right?</quote> It is a transgender person that identifies as female.</quote> He can indentify as female all he wants, chromosones make him male. Fair, next.</quote> Proof she has XY chromosomes? She's a woman. They'd still be a female chromosomal pairing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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