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Clad
06/16/17 1:59:31 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/politics/trump-cuba-obama/index.html

Supposedly being done unless Cuba changes its human rights record.
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Zembaphobia
06/16/17 2:01:14 PM
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MARKINGRAM22
06/16/17 2:01:44 PM
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I don't agree with this. If it comes down to human rights records you have to include a huge chunk of the world. Cuba is run by commie Ass bags, but free trade and travel only helps influence a place positively.
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Clad
06/16/17 2:02:01 PM
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...
I don't agree with this. If it comes down to human rights records you have to include a huge chunk of the world. Cuba is run by commie Ass bags, but free trade and travel only helps influence a place positively.


Agreed.
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MARKINGRAM22
06/16/17 2:02:45 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Clad posted...
unless Cuba changes its human rights record.


What does that mean?


I mean it is pretty self explanatory. They are a communist country they are oppressive and rule by force and coercion by definition.
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3rd_Best_Master
06/16/17 2:03:39 PM
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Clad posted...
unless Cuba changes its human rights record.


What does that mean?


I mean it is pretty self explanatory. They are a communist country they are oppressive and rule by force and coercion by definition.

And this is different from America's Middle Eastern allies or other nations that we've sold arms to?
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weapon_d00d816
06/16/17 2:04:07 PM
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Good. That was a top 5 in the list of Obama's biggest mistakes.
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Clad
06/16/17 2:05:00 PM
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Cuba has potential to be a tremendous ally. We should continue warming up to them and vice versa, and eventually free trade and free travel will eliminate communism there. They're doing cool things with renewable energy there, so I think they have tremendous potential to make huge contributions to humanity. This is a bad move.
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_Near_
06/16/17 2:05:04 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Clad posted...
unless Cuba changes its human rights record.


What does that mean?


Release all political prisoners, legalize all political parties, and have internationally supervised elections. At least, those were the three he mentioned in his speech.
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3rd_Best_Master
06/16/17 2:05:35 PM
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But I doubt this has anything specifically to do with Cuba and more to do with Trump maintaining his current administrative policy of rolling back everything in his power that Obama has ever done.
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Clad
06/16/17 2:06:02 PM
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_Near_ posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Clad posted...
unless Cuba changes its human rights record.


What does that mean?


Release all political prisoners, legalize all political parties, and have internationally supervised elections. At least, those were the three he mentioned in his speech.


Those are reasonable requests, but going back to how things were before won't change that. :/
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voldothegr8
06/16/17 2:06:23 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Good. That was a top 5 in the list of Obama's biggest mistakes.

This. The policy is mostly a feel good policy anyway, not much changes by rolling it back.
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UnholyMudcrab
06/16/17 2:06:41 PM
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There's no reason at all for any country in the world to make deals with the United States anymore. It's just going to get rolled back when the administration changes, so what's the point?
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AIDSbeam
06/16/17 2:07:03 PM
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Clad posted...
unless Cuba changes its human rights record.


What does that mean?


I mean it is pretty self explanatory. They are a communist country they are oppressive and rule by force and coercion by definition.


You say that as if Western "liberal democracies" don't exist on the backs of oppression and force specifically
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Clad
06/16/17 2:07:19 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
There's no reason at all for any country in the world to make deals with the United States anymore. It's just going to get rolled back when the administration changes, so what's the point?


Do you actually believe this or is this tongue in cheek?
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_Near_
06/16/17 2:07:42 PM
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Clad posted...


Those are reasonable requests, but going back to how things were before won't change that. :/


Right, especially when he trades with literal evil countries like Saudi Arabia, and they don't get treated half as bad as Cuba does.
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Clad
06/16/17 2:07:49 PM
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AIDSbeam posted...
You say that as if Western "liberal democracies" don't exist on the backs of oppression and force specifically


They don't, actually. Western secular democracies can exist and have existed without relying on oppression or force.
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Clad
06/16/17 2:08:25 PM
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_Near_ posted...
Clad posted...


Those are reasonable requests, but going back to how things were before won't change that. :/


Right, especially when he trades with literal evil countries like Saudi Arabia, and they don't get treated half as bad as Cuba does.


Why the fuck are you saying "he" when Obama and Hillary and even Bernie were all in that same bucket? We need Saudi Arabia to be an ally. It sucks and I have only criticisms to offer Saudi Arabia, but it has to be that way.
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UnholyMudcrab
06/16/17 2:11:22 PM
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Clad posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
There's no reason at all for any country in the world to make deals with the United States anymore. It's just going to get rolled back when the administration changes, so what's the point?


Do you actually believe this or is this tongue in cheek?

Trump's policy has been completely defined so far by trying his damnedest to reverse everything put in place by the Obama administration. I have no doubt that the next Democratic president is going to try to reverse everything that Trump puts in place. It's a byproduct of the hyperpartisanship in politics nowadays, and it just makes the country look schizophrenic to outside viewers.
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_Near_
06/16/17 2:11:51 PM
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Clad posted...

Why the fuck are you saying "he" when Obama and Hillary and even Bernie were all in that same bucket? We need Saudi Arabia to be an ally. It sucks and I have only criticisms to offer Saudi Arabia, but it has to be that way.


Obama and Hillary were. Bernie talked about bad Saudi Arabia was.

But fucking Obama and Hillary aren't President right now, are they? Why are you unable to have the president take responsibility? Don't forget that it was Obama who lifted the Cuba sanction.

Trump is the one claiming that it's because of Cuba's human rights violation that the embargo is back on, but he trades with other countries with worse human rights records. It's fucking hypocritical no matter who does it, but HE's president right now, and HE's rolling back the embargo, so HE's to blame.
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Clad
06/16/17 2:13:11 PM
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_Near_ posted...
Clad posted...

Why the fuck are you saying "he" when Obama and Hillary and even Bernie were all in that same bucket? We need Saudi Arabia to be an ally. It sucks and I have only criticisms to offer Saudi Arabia, but it has to be that way.


Obama and Hillary were. Bernie talked about bad Saudi Arabia was.

But fucking Obama and Hillary aren't President right now, are they? Why are you unable to have the president take responsibility? Don't forget that it was Obama who lifted the Cuba sanction.

Trump is the one claiming that it's because of Cuba's human rights violation that the embargo is back on, but he trades with other countries with worse human rights records. It's fucking hypocritical no matter who does it, but HE's president right now, and HE's rolling back the embargo, so HE's to blame.


He trades with other countries that we've developed deep trade relations with already. You can't just quit that cold turkey without fucking up the world. Cuba hasn't entered that far along in their relationship with the US yet.
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_Near_
06/16/17 2:15:12 PM
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Clad posted...

He trades with other countries that we've developed deep trade relations with already. You can't just quit that cold turkey without fucking up the world. Cuba hasn't entered that far along in their relationship with the US yet.


Yes, you can most certainly quit funding terrorists in Saudi Arabia cold turkey. It's just that there's too much money to be had in selling weapons.
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Clad
06/16/17 2:15:55 PM
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_Near_ posted...
Clad posted...

He trades with other countries that we've developed deep trade relations with already. You can't just quit that cold turkey without fucking up the world. Cuba hasn't entered that far along in their relationship with the US yet.


Yes, you can most certainly quit funding terrorists in Saudi Arabia cold turkey. It's just that there's too much money to be had in selling weapons.


Damn bro, you've got it all figured out! Let's send you as an ambassador and you can break the news.
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_Near_
06/16/17 2:16:29 PM
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Clad posted...

Damn bro, you've got it all figured out! Let's send you as an ambassador and you can break the news.


you're just a fucking joke, aren't you
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YourDrunkFather
06/16/17 2:18:02 PM
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Funny he doesn't have that additude with the Saudies, Russians or Chinese
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Funkdamental
06/16/17 2:18:11 PM
#31:


Clad posted...
_Near_ posted...
Clad posted...


Those are reasonable requests, but going back to how things were before won't change that. :/


Right, especially when he trades with literal evil countries like Saudi Arabia, and they don't get treated half as bad as Cuba does.


Why the fuck are you saying "he" when Obama and Hillary and even Bernie were all in that same bucket? We need Saudi Arabia to be an ally. It sucks and I have only criticisms to offer Saudi Arabia, but it has to be that way.


The posturing and moralizing over Cuba is an utterly nauseating hypocrisy when we know our governments turn a blind eye to the real nature of the regime in Riyadh for the sake of a deeply cynical and amoral Realpolitik. When your politicians feel they can't afford honesty or fundamental decency, they've no business pretending to be men of principle.
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Smashingpmkns
06/16/17 2:18:12 PM
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No human rights issues with Russia or Saudi Arabia doe
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Clad
06/16/17 2:18:15 PM
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_Near_ posted...
Clad posted...

Damn bro, you've got it all figured out! Let's send you as an ambassador and you can break the news.


you're just a fucking joke, aren't you


Why are you mad? I think you're a visionary, man. You've figured out how to just quit long trade deals and alliances cold turkey. You need to be at the forefront!
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Caution999
06/16/17 2:18:39 PM
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Another shitty Obama deal bites the dust.

WHOO WHOO
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HypnoCoosh
06/16/17 2:22:28 PM
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Presidente Trump MAGA all day long
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Clad
06/16/17 2:23:01 PM
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Wow I'm disappointed that people think this is a good thing.

You don't change a shit hole by isolating it.
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Doom_Art
06/16/17 2:24:45 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Good. That was a top 5 in the list of Obama's biggest mistakes.

"Hasn't worked the last 50 years, but I'm sure they'll cave soon!"
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Clad
06/16/17 2:26:40 PM
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Outer_space posted...
_Near_ posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Clad posted...
unless Cuba changes its human rights record.


What does that mean?


Release all political prisoners, legalize all political parties, and have internationally supervised elections. At least, those were the three he mentioned in his speech.

Sounds fair.


It's fair, but how are you going to get them to do that by just isolating them again? We'd have more leverage if they knew we were invested into bringing them along for the ride, and if we gave them a chance to invest here too.
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Caution999
06/16/17 2:27:08 PM
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Clad posted...
Wow I'm disappointed that people think this is a good thing.

You don't change a shit hole by isolating it.


Like we care what a SJW thinks (yeah you're one. your sig says it all).

*drinks the tears*
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Clad
06/16/17 2:27:43 PM
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Caution999 posted...
Clad posted...
Wow I'm disappointed that people think this is a good thing.

You don't change a shit hole by isolating it.


Like we care what a SJW thinks (yeah you're one. your sig says it all).

*drinks the tears*


Uh my sig is pointing out how insane that user is
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Doom_Art
06/16/17 2:28:01 PM
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Caution999 posted...
Like we care what a SJW thinks (yeah you're one. your sig says it all).

no one tell him
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marc55
06/16/17 2:28:09 PM
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does he want to reinstate the embargo?
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_Near_
06/16/17 2:30:37 PM
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marc55 posted...
does he want to reinstate the embargo?


he did
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Sad_Face
06/16/17 2:40:04 PM
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See, Trump could have garnered some positive reception if he also reinstated the Wet Foot Dry Foot policy that was killed during the Cuba negotiations.

http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2017/01/scott-slams-obamas-cuba-policies-after-president-ends-special-immigration-status-for-cubans-108743
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ROD
06/16/17 2:52:03 PM
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Clad posted...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/politics/trump-cuba-obama/index.html

Supposedly being done unless Cuba changes its human rights record.


he rolled it back. Except the dry foot/web foot policy.

LMAO CUBA, your conservative saviors screwed you over.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
06/16/17 2:53:31 PM
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Shame.

I looked forward to more economic competition down there, trying a Cuban cigar, and exporting our way of life to those poor souls.
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EyeWontBeFooled
06/16/17 2:53:40 PM
#48:


Clad posted...
MARKINGRAM22 posted...
I don't agree with this. If it comes down to human rights records you have to include a huge chunk of the world. Cuba is run by commie Ass bags, but free trade and travel only helps influence a place positively.


Agreed.

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Zero_Destroyer
06/16/17 5:54:38 PM
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So he gives Saudi Arabia and Qatar billions despite their shitty human rights records but Cuba is just a step too far?
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Zero_Destroyer
06/16/17 5:55:03 PM
#50:


Asherlee10 posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Good. That was a top 5 in the list of Obama's biggest mistakes.


How?


He'll never answer. He's a shill.
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thompsontalker7
06/16/17 5:57:31 PM
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Does this mean me and my Cuban mate can't send each other fire mixtapes in the mail anymore
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