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AlBundy33 06/18/17 9:41:37 PM #1:	there absolutely zero downsides to raising minimum wage, unfortunately most people who run companies(like walmart and such) lack a brain, so they do not understand it would actually benefit their business --- I need Samuel L. Jackson to narrate my life, because my life requires multiple uses of the word MotherF***er. <cite>AlBundy33 posted [p:881375051] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>there absolutely zero downsides to raising minimum wage, unfortunately most people who run companies(like walmart and such) lack a brain, so they do not understand it would actually benefit their business</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 06/18/17 9:45:47 PM #2:	Wal-Mart already pays their employees more than minimum wage. --- PSN: Jiek <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:881375308] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>Wal-Mart already pays their employees more than minimum wage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 06/18/17 9:46:03 PM #3:	muh inflation actually, now that I think about it, there is also the argument from people who see it akin to putting a bandaid over the problem. a basic income would fix more issues than raising the minimum wage --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:881375320] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>muh inflation actually, now that I think about it, there is also the argument from people who see it akin to putting a bandaid over the problem. a basic income would fix more issues than raising the minimum wage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mist_Turnips 06/18/17 9:46:39 PM #4:	Seems you forgot yours when you made this topic. --- "They say if you don't hide your belly button, lightning could take it away from you! What would happen if it did?" http://i.imgur.com/G74y2NJ.png <cite>Mist_Turnips posted [p:881375360] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>Seems you forgot yours when you made this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiesMortis 06/18/17 9:47:03 PM #5:	Profound ignorance of basic economics --- Maledicte \| http://www.last.fm/user/chaosinferno "So sleep, sister sleep, and dream, me broken at your feet." <cite>DiesMortis posted [p:881375381] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>Profound ignorance of basic economics</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 06/18/17 9:47:16 PM #6:	Someone has never studied economics. --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:881375393] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>Someone has never studied economics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NathanX95 06/18/17 9:48:58 PM #7:	I'm glad I live in California where minimum wage is $10.50, and it's set to rise every year until 2022. One of the main things I disagree with conservatives on. If poor people have more money, they will spend more, there's like only benefits. And the inflation argument is shit because inflation is already happening whether or not the minimum wage increases. <cite>NathanX95 posted [p:881375483] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>I'm glad I live in California where minimum wage is $10.50, and it's set to rise every year until 2022. One of the main things I disagree with conservatives on. If poor people have more money, they will spend more, there's like only benefits. And the inflation argument is shit because inflation is already happening whether or not the minimum wage increases.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 06/18/17 9:51:41 PM #8:	Main problem is that it kills jobs. Also the uncertainty and potential spike in costs makes small businesses wary of making expansions in fear of labor costs spiking at the political whims of whoever is in power. --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:881375653] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>Main problem is that it kills jobs. Also the uncertainty and potential spike in costs makes small businesses wary of making expansions in fear of labor costs spiking at the political whims of whoever is in power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlBundy33 06/18/17 9:55:29 PM #9:	@DragonGirlYuki posted... Main problem is that it kills jobs. Also the uncertainty and potential spike in costs makes small businesses wary of making expansions in fear of labor costs spiking at the political whims of whoever is in power. that is a myth, and has been proven false many times @prince_leo posted... muh inflation actually, now that I think about it, there is also the argument from people who see it akin to putting a bandaid over the problem. a basic income would fix more issues than raising the minimum wage inflation is 100% artificial --- I need Samuel L. Jackson to narrate my life, because my life requires multiple uses of the word MotherF***er. <cite>AlBundy33 posted [p:881375936] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>@DragonGirlYuki posted...</cite> <quote>Main problem is that it kills jobs. Also the uncertainty and potential spike in costs makes small businesses wary of making expansions in fear of labor costs spiking at the political whims of whoever is in power.</quote> that is a myth, and has been proven false many times <cite>@prince_leo posted...</cite> <quote>muh inflation actually, now that I think about it, there is also the argument from people who see it akin to putting a bandaid over the problem. a basic income would fix more issues than raising the minimum wage</quote> inflation is 100% artificial</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 06/18/17 9:58:57 PM #11:	And the inflation argument is s* because inflation is already happening whether or not the minimum wage increases All that matters is whether inflation is exactly 0? There's no disadvantage of 7% vs 4%? --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:881376189] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><quote>And the inflation argument is s* because inflation is already happening whether or not the minimum wage increases</quote> All that matters is whether inflation is exactly 0? There's no disadvantage of 7% vs 4%?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malfurion 06/18/17 9:59:36 PM #12:	AlBundy33 posted... inflation is 100% artificial I'll have some of whatcha smoking, brah. --- I'm an archdruid, not a prophet. Get your lore straight <cite>Malfurion posted [p:881376239] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlBundy33 posted...</cite> <quote> inflation is 100% artificial</quote> I'll have some of whatcha smoking, brah.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 06/18/17 9:59:36 PM #13:	The entire state of California is going to $15 minimum wage soon. We will be able to see first hand if it works or is a massive failure --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:881376241] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>The entire state of California is going to $15 minimum wage soon. We will be able to see first hand if it works or is a massive failure</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GOATSLAYER 06/18/17 10:00:58 PM #14:	AlBundy33 posted... there absolutely zero downsides to raising minimum wage, unfortunately most people who run companies(like walmart and such) lack a brain, so they do not understand it would actually benefit their business Because the minimum wage is rising, businesses don't want to hire as many people because it costs them more money. Mcdonald's is actually trying to replace most of their staff with an automated service to cut costs. Its similar to how uber wants to replace its drivers with driverless cars. So raising the minimum wage just creates less jobs which makes the economy worse --- Hide your kids, hide your goats <cite>GOATSLAYER posted [p:881376323] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlBundy33 posted...</cite> <quote>there absolutely zero downsides to raising minimum wage, unfortunately most people who run companies(like walmart and such) lack a brain, so they do not understand it would actually benefit their business</quote> Because the minimum wage is rising, businesses don't want to hire as many people because it costs them more money. Mcdonald's is actually trying to replace most of their staff with an automated service to cut costs. Its similar to how uber wants to replace its drivers with driverless cars. So raising the minimum wage just creates less jobs which makes the economy worse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 06/18/17 10:01:52 PM #15:	Damn_Underscore posted... The entire state of California is going to $15 minimum wage soon. We will be able to see first hand if it works or is a massive failure The 27 times they've done it before aren't enough? <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:881376393] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>The entire state of California is going to $15 minimum wage soon. We will be able to see first hand if it works or is a massive failure</quote> The 27 times they've done it before aren't enough?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/18/17 10:02:01 PM #16:	DragonGirlYuki posted... Main problem is that it kills jobs. It really doesn't. What actually happens is that it kills the jobs of the worst employees, the ones who are less productive or miss too many days or whatever. They are replaced quickly. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:881376399] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>DragonGirlYuki posted...</cite> <quote>Main problem is that it kills jobs.</quote> It really doesn't. What actually happens is that it kills the jobs of the worst employees, the ones who are less productive or miss too many days or whatever. They are replaced quickly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 06/18/17 10:02:10 PM #17:	AlBundy33 posted... most people who run companies(like walmart and such) lack a brain Lullll --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:881376405] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlBundy33 posted...</cite> <quote>most people who run companies(like walmart and such) lack a brain</quote> Lullll</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 06/18/17 10:02:28 PM #18:	The entire state of California is going to $15 minimum wage soon. We will be able to see first hand if it works or is a massive failure Will be interesting to see. I dunno if the same effects would apply to CA as LA or OH though. Certainly not the same wage. --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:881376427] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><quote>The entire state of California is going to $15 minimum wage soon. We will be able to see first hand if it works or is a massive failure</quote> Will be interesting to see. I dunno if the same effects would apply to CA as LA or OH though. Certainly not the same wage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/18/17 10:02:37 PM #19:	prince_leo posted... actually, now that I think about it, there is also the argument from people who see it akin to putting a bandaid over the problem. a basic income would fix more issues than raising the minimum wage that's different from being opposed to increasing it a basic income might fix more issues, but really, what needs to happen is for all industry, and profit therein, to be owned publicly rather than privately --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881376440] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>prince_leo posted...</cite> <quote>actually, now that I think about it, there is also the argument from people who see it akin to putting a bandaid over the problem. a basic income would fix more issues than raising the minimum wage</quote> that's different from being opposed to increasing it a basic income might fix more issues, but really, what needs to happen is for all industry, and profit therein, to be owned publicly rather than privately</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnny_Nutcase 06/18/17 10:05:17 PM #20:	I make more than minimum and the last time there was a minimum wage increase here, I didn't see a boost in my pay. The person making minimum and myself aren't changing our work habits over this. So why in the flying FUCK is he/she closing in on me when I received an education with the sole purpose of making more than minimum wage? I'm not 100% against minimum wage increase, but it can't be across the board everywhere obviously. --- I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another... until you just wish Flanders was dead. - Homer Simpson <cite>Johnny_Nutcase posted [p:881376602] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>I make more than minimum and the last time there was a minimum wage increase here, I didn't see a boost in my pay. The person making minimum and myself aren't changing our work habits over this. So why in the flying FUCK is he/she closing in on me when I received an education with the sole purpose of making more than minimum wage? I'm not 100% against minimum wage increase, but it can't be across the board everywhere obviously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 06/18/17 10:07:27 PM #21:	to continue from my last post: GOATSLAYER posted... AlBundy33 posted... there absolutely zero downsides to raising minimum wage, unfortunately most people who run companies(like walmart and such) lack a brain, so they do not understand it would actually benefit their business Because the minimum wage is rising, businesses don't want to hire as many people because it costs them more money. Mcdonald's is actually trying to replace most of their staff with an automated service to cut costs. Its similar to how uber wants to replace its drivers with driverless cars. So raising the minimum wage just creates less jobs which makes the economy worse in this example, if Mcdonald's was owned by workers rather than CEOs and shareholders, the workers could embrace new technology - perhaps they could shorten the workday and be paid the same --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:881376739] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>to continue from my last post: <cite>GOATSLAYER posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlBundy33 posted...</cite> <quote>there absolutely zero downsides to raising minimum wage, unfortunately most people who run companies(like walmart and such) lack a brain, so they do not understand it would actually benefit their business</quote> Because the minimum wage is rising, businesses don't want to hire as many people because it costs them more money. Mcdonald's is actually trying to replace most of their staff with an automated service to cut costs. Its similar to how uber wants to replace its drivers with driverless cars. So raising the minimum wage just creates less jobs which makes the economy worse</quote> in this example, if Mcdonald's was owned by workers rather than CEOs and shareholders, the workers could embrace new technology - perhaps they could shorten the workday and be paid the same</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 06/18/17 10:08:39 PM #22:	AlBundy33 posted... inflation is 100% artificial I was making fun of the inflation argument --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:881376811] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlBundy33 posted...</cite> <quote>inflation is 100% artificial </quote> I was making fun of the inflation argument</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GigaSPX 06/18/17 10:11:36 PM #23:	AlBundy33 posted... @DragonGirlYuki posted... Main problem is that it kills jobs. Also the uncertainty and potential spike in costs makes small businesses wary of making expansions in fear of labor costs spiking at the political whims of whoever is in power. that is a myth, and has been proven false many times @prince_leo posted... muh inflation actually, now that I think about it, there is also the argument from people who see it akin to putting a bandaid over the problem. a basic income would fix more issues than raising the minimum wage inflation is 100% artificial Where's your explanation? --- My sig is here. Yup. <cite>GigaSPX posted [p:881377016] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlBundy33 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@DragonGirlYuki posted...</cite> <quote>Main problem is that it kills jobs. Also the uncertainty and potential spike in costs makes small businesses wary of making expansions in fear of labor costs spiking at the political whims of whoever is in power.</quote> that is a myth, and has been proven false many times <cite>@prince_leo posted...</cite> <quote>muh inflation actually, now that I think about it, there is also the argument from people who see it akin to putting a bandaid over the problem. a basic income would fix more issues than raising the minimum wage</quote> inflation is 100% artificial</quote> Where's your explanation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EdgeMaster 06/18/17 10:21:17 PM #24:	Yeah seriously, how is it a myth that it kills jobs? If an employer has $300 to give employees >Paying $15/hr, he can hire 20 employees >Paying $10/hr, he can hire 30 employees Minimum wage kills jobs, less jobs means more crime, moar welfare, etc. Regardless minimum wage needs to be raised because inflation and it isn't a living wage. --- If you don't have anything nice to say, say it on the internet. ****poster Extraordinaire <cite>EdgeMaster posted [p:881377593] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>Yeah seriously, how is it a myth that it kills jobs? If an employer has $300 to give employees >Paying $15/hr, he can hire 20 employees >Paying $10/hr, he can hire 30 employees Minimum wage kills jobs, less jobs means more crime, moar welfare, etc. Regardless minimum wage needs to be raised because inflation and it isn't a living wage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 06/18/17 10:23:14 PM #25:	EdgeMaster posted... Yeah seriously, how is it a myth that it kills jobs? because we've been doing it for over 100 YEARS but still have this stupid fucking argument every time <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:881377690] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>EdgeMaster posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah seriously, how is it a myth that it kills jobs?</quote> because we've been doing it for over 100 YEARS but still have this stupid fucking argument every time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheFuzz3451 06/18/17 10:24:16 PM #26:	A lot of lower class Americans pride themselves on being "above" minimum wage workers. These people are making about 9 or 10 dollars an hour, but since they're above minimum wage, they're "better" than those "rotten fast food workers". So they oppose increasing the minimum wage out of fear that these "lesser" folks would get to their level. Society is weird like that. It teaches the poor to hate themselves and other poor people --- You're only as sick as your secrets, but the truth shall set you free. The truth is the truth, so all you can do is live with it. <cite>TheFuzz3451 posted [p:881377747] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>A lot of lower class Americans pride themselves on being "above" minimum wage workers. These people are making about 9 or 10 dollars an hour, but since they're above minimum wage, they're "better" than those "rotten fast food workers". So they oppose increasing the minimum wage out of fear that these "lesser" folks would get to their level. Society is weird like that. It teaches the poor to hate themselves and other poor people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malfurion 06/18/17 10:31:57 PM #27:	EdgeMaster posted... Yeah seriously, how is it a myth that it kills jobs? If an employer has $300 to give employees >Paying $15/hr, he can hire 20 employees >Paying $10/hr, he can hire 30 employees Minimum wage kills jobs, less jobs means more crime, moar welfare, etc. Regardless minimum wage needs to be raised because inflation and it isn't a living wage. Not to mention the productivity of 20 people will more often than not be less than that of 30 people. This leads to lower profits. At a certain profitability level, the owner might say, fuck this... the effort I am putting in to keep this business afloat is not worth it, might as well close it down and look for a job. --- I'm an archdruid, not a prophet. Get your lore straight <cite>Malfurion posted [p:881378182] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>EdgeMaster posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah seriously, how is it a myth that it kills jobs? If an employer has $300 to give employees >Paying $15/hr, he can hire 20 employees >Paying $10/hr, he can hire 30 employees Minimum wage kills jobs, less jobs means more crime, moar welfare, etc. Regardless minimum wage needs to be raised because inflation and it isn't a living wage.</quote> Not to mention the productivity of 20 people will more often than not be less than that of 30 people. This leads to lower profits. At a certain profitability level, the owner might say, fuck this... the effort I am putting in to keep this business afloat is not worth it, might as well close it down and look for a job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 06/18/17 10:34:37 PM #28:	Broseph_Stalin posted... EdgeMaster posted... Yeah seriously, how is it a myth that it kills jobs? because we've been doing it for over 100 YEARS but still have this stupid fucking argument every time More like 79 years. Plus it has been raised slowwwwwwly over those 79 years. Suddenly doubling it is going to have effects both positive and negative. I'm leaning towards more negative though. People keep saying history shows it won't effect the economy but when in history has it even been doubled? The answer is never. https://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/chart.htm Though I agree it should be higher than $7.25 no matter what location. --- Oda break tracker 2017- 4 (2) Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:881378367] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EdgeMaster posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah seriously, how is it a myth that it kills jobs?</quote> because we've been doing it for over 100 YEARS but still have this stupid fucking argument every time</quote> More like 79 years. Plus it has been raised slowwwwwwly over those 79 years. Suddenly doubling it is going to have effects both positive and negative. I'm leaning towards more negative though. People keep saying history shows it won't effect the economy but when in history has it even been doubled? The answer is never. https://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/chart.htm Though I agree it should be higher than $7.25 no matter what location.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 06/18/17 10:40:48 PM #29:	voldothegr8 posted... More like 79 years. More like over 100, states also have minimum wage laws. And doubling it doesn't mean much when it hasn't kept up with inflation at all. But hey man I'm sure you'll be right this time! 29th time's a charm! <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:881378792] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>More like 79 years.</quote> More like over 100, states also have minimum wage laws. And doubling it doesn't mean much when it hasn't kept up with inflation at all. But hey man I'm sure you'll be right this time! 29th time's a charm!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 06/18/17 10:42:32 PM #30:	AlBundy33 posted... there absolutely zero downsides to raising minimum wage, unfortunately most people who run companies(like walmart and such) lack a brain, so they do not understand it would actually benefit their business They're mad that they currently earn more than minimum wage but less than the proposed minimum wage. That's it. People who make $30/hr don't care. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:881378901] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlBundy33 posted...</cite> <quote>there absolutely zero downsides to raising minimum wage, unfortunately most people who run companies(like walmart and such) lack a brain, so they do not understand it would actually benefit their business</quote> They're mad that they currently earn more than minimum wage but less than the proposed minimum wage. That's it. People who make $30/hr don't care.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lightwarrior78 06/18/17 10:47:37 PM #31:	Not wanting to pay more for the same service makes you stupid? Every business in tCs area should raise their prices for him as he thinks paying it is the smart choice. For me the biggest detraction from it is that while everyone acts like they're attacking the 1%, minimum wage laws hit small mom and pop shops as well. Businesses that are not making major profits and the few bucks an hour (plus federal benefits) can turn a mildly profitable venture into a losing one. Ultimately less local jobs and more dependence on big corporate. --- http://backloggery.com/reddthesock <cite>lightwarrior78 posted [p:881379260] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>Not wanting to pay more for the same service makes you stupid? Every business in tCs area should raise their prices for him as he thinks paying it is the smart choice. For me the biggest detraction from it is that while everyone acts like they're attacking the 1%, minimum wage laws hit small mom and pop shops as well. Businesses that are not making major profits and the few bucks an hour (plus federal benefits) can turn a mildly profitable venture into a losing one. Ultimately less local jobs and more dependence on big corporate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 06/18/17 10:48:35 PM #32:	How could anybody with a brain (to go with the topic title) not understand how inflation works? Oh, I'm making $50/hr, but I just spent $7 on a can of coke! It's the way things go. You're not gonna drive home from McDonald's in a Lamborghini. Ain't gonna happen. --- Donald Trump voter <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:881379328] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote>How could anybody with a brain (to go with the topic title) not understand how inflation works? Oh, I'm making $50/hr, but I just spent $7 on a can of coke! It's the way things go. You're not gonna drive home from McDonald's in a Lamborghini. Ain't gonna happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 06/18/17 10:48:45 PM #33:	lightwarrior78 posted... Not wanting to pay more for the same service makes you stupid? Every business in tCs area should raise their prices for him as he thinks paying it is the smart choice. For me the biggest detraction from it is that while everyone acts like they're attacking the 1%, minimum wage laws hit small mom and pop shops as well. Businesses that are not making major profits and the few bucks an hour (plus federal benefits) can turn a mildly profitable venture into a losing one. Ultimately less local jobs and more dependence on big corporate. mom & pop stores would get more business if people had more money to spend. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:881379342] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote>Not wanting to pay more for the same service makes you stupid? Every business in tCs area should raise their prices for him as he thinks paying it is the smart choice. For me the biggest detraction from it is that while everyone acts like they're attacking the 1%, minimum wage laws hit small mom and pop shops as well. Businesses that are not making major profits and the few bucks an hour (plus federal benefits) can turn a mildly profitable venture into a losing one. Ultimately less local jobs and more dependence on big corporate.</quote> mom & pop stores would get more business if people had more money to spend.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lightwarrior78 06/18/17 10:56:07 PM #34:	ChromaticAngel posted... lightwarrior78 posted... Not wanting to pay more for the same service makes you stupid? Every business in tCs area should raise their prices for him as he thinks paying it is the smart choice. For me the biggest detraction from it is that while everyone acts like they're attacking the 1%, minimum wage laws hit small mom and pop shops as well. Businesses that are not making major profits and the few bucks an hour (plus federal benefits) can turn a mildly profitable venture into a losing one. Ultimately less local jobs and more dependence on big corporate. mom & pop stores would get more business if people had more money to spend. Or it'll be spent on Amazon and Walmart and other big corporations. Minimum wage hikes were a good idea when money was kept largely in the community and people had loyalty to small businesses. In a world of walmart level corporate conglomerates, digital shopping, and a focus on owning corporate and designer brands, the sales boost isn't there anymore. --- http://backloggery.com/reddthesock <cite>lightwarrior78 posted [p:881379793] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote>Not wanting to pay more for the same service makes you stupid? Every business in tCs area should raise their prices for him as he thinks paying it is the smart choice. For me the biggest detraction from it is that while everyone acts like they're attacking the 1%, minimum wage laws hit small mom and pop shops as well. Businesses that are not making major profits and the few bucks an hour (plus federal benefits) can turn a mildly profitable venture into a losing one. Ultimately less local jobs and more dependence on big corporate.</quote> mom & pop stores would get more business if people had more money to spend.</quote> Or it'll be spent on Amazon and Walmart and other big corporations. Minimum wage hikes were a good idea when money was kept largely in the community and people had loyalty to small businesses. In a world of walmart level corporate conglomerates, digital shopping, and a focus on owning corporate and designer brands, the sales boost isn't there anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 06/18/17 10:57:57 PM #35:	lightwarrior78 posted... Or it'll be spent on Amazon and Walmart and other big corporations. Mom & Pop stores also sell on Amazon and Walmart... so... grats? --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:881379914] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote>Or it'll be spent on Amazon and Walmart and other big corporations. </quote> Mom & Pop stores also sell on Amazon and Walmart... so... grats?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
synth_real 06/18/17 11:19:23 PM #36:	GOATSLAYER posted... AlBundy33 posted... there absolutely zero downsides to raising minimum wage, unfortunately most people who run companies(like walmart and such) lack a brain, so they do not understand it would actually benefit their business Because the minimum wage is rising, businesses don't want to hire as many people because it costs them more money. Mcdonald's is actually trying to replace most of their staff with an automated service to cut costs. Its similar to how uber wants to replace its drivers with driverless cars. So raising the minimum wage just creates less jobs which makes the economy worse The McDonalds around here have already been doing that before any minimum wage increases were announced. --- "I'm the straightest guy on this board. I'm so straight that I watch gay porn." - Smarkil <cite>synth_real posted [p:881381104] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>GOATSLAYER posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlBundy33 posted...</cite> <quote>there absolutely zero downsides to raising minimum wage, unfortunately most people who run companies(like walmart and such) lack a brain, so they do not understand it would actually benefit their business</quote> Because the minimum wage is rising, businesses don't want to hire as many people because it costs them more money. Mcdonald's is actually trying to replace most of their staff with an automated service to cut costs. Its similar to how uber wants to replace its drivers with driverless cars. So raising the minimum wage just creates less jobs which makes the economy worse</quote> The McDonalds around here have already been doing that before any minimum wage increases were announced.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Feline_Heart 06/18/17 11:22:48 PM #37:	TheFuzz3451 posted... A lot of lower class Americans pride themselves on being "above" minimum wage workers. These people are making about 9 or 10 dollars an hour, but since they're above minimum wage, they're "better" than those "rotten fast food workers". So they oppose increasing the minimum wage out of fear that these "lesser" folks would get to their level. Society is weird like that. It teaches the poor to hate themselves and other poor people That's below minimum wage in my state <cite>Feline_Heart posted [p:881381284] in How can an... [t:75477105]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheFuzz3451 posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of lower class Americans pride themselves on being "above" minimum wage workers. These people are making about 9 or 10 dollars an hour, but since they're above minimum wage, they're "better" than those "rotten fast food workers". So they oppose increasing the minimum wage out of fear that these "lesser" folks would get to their level. Society is weird like that. It teaches the poor to hate themselves and other poor people</quote> That's below minimum wage in my state</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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