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Anagram 06/20/17 12:10:25 AM #1: |
This is in the context of whether or not to include Lugia in a ranking of pokebirds, which also included a debate about whether a picture of a duck counts as a duck (Porygon). --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jeff Zero 06/20/17 12:12:13 AM #2: |
I don't care if it's a damned Cardassian. All that concerns me is my opponents are dead.
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Bane_Of_Despair 06/20/17 12:12:15 AM #3: |
I never thought of him as a bird but I can't really argue against it either. I just think of him as Mythical Creature. But since he's the counterpart to Ho-Oh and Ho-Oh is certainly a bird, he pretty much is I guess.
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Dark Young Link 06/20/17 12:12:34 AM #4: |
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GuessMyUserName 06/20/17 12:14:47 AM #5: |
lugia has feathers (Silver Feather), lugia is a bird
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SupremeZero 06/20/17 12:16:15 AM #6: |
Space Whale Bird
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Paratroopa1 06/20/17 12:22:05 AM #7: |
what the fuck is wrong with all of you
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LeonhartFour 06/20/17 12:23:12 AM #8: |
You are validating my stance to never be on Discord if this is what you are arguing about
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Drakeryn 06/20/17 12:23:38 AM #9: |
no
imo it's most like a dragon even though it's not actually dragon-type. it's an anomaly like charizard --- another place and time, without a great divide, and we could be flying deadly high ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark Young Link 06/20/17 12:24:58 AM #10: |
LeonhartFour posted...
You are validating my stance to never be on Discord if this is what you are arguing about Oh come on Leo. This is far from the dumbest thing B8ers have argued about. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 06/20/17 12:26:17 AM #11: |
LeonhartFour posted...
You are validating my stance to never be on Discord if this is what you are arguing about argument didn't take place on b8 discord ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 06/20/17 12:26:44 AM #12: |
Even worse
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Jeff Zero 06/20/17 12:27:07 AM #13: |
Leo3Four
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Paratroopa1 06/20/17 12:28:06 AM #14: |
LeonhartFour posted...
Even worse I mean, it was a private conversation ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Eddv 06/20/17 12:28:56 AM #15: |
Drakeryn posted...
no Thank You - this was my position exactly, it goes on the Dragon list not the Bird List. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Eddv 06/20/17 12:29:28 AM #16: |
I once had a stupid conversation on a telephone and now Leonhart4 has sworn off of them forever.
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LeonhartFour 06/20/17 12:29:43 AM #17: |
But are dragons dinosaurs and thus could they maybe have feathers?
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LeonhartFour 06/20/17 12:30:34 AM #18: |
Eddv posted...
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Jeff Zero 06/20/17 12:30:58 AM #19: |
https://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/dragons.gif?w=500&h=279
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LusterSoldier 06/20/17 12:34:58 AM #20: |
Bane_Of_Despair posted...
Also one of my favorite pokemon Yeah, I love Lugia as well, It was really great in the movie where it first appeared in. Drakeryn posted... imo it's most like a dragon even though it's not actually dragon-type. it's an anomaly like charizard I don't think Lugia has the appearance of being a dragon, unlike Charizard which definitely looks like it should be Dragon type. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BK_Sheikah00, Guru Champ! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 06/20/17 12:36:30 AM #21: |
Bane_Of_Despair posted...
But since he's the counterpart to Ho-Oh and Ho-Oh is certainly a bird, he pretty much is I guess. Most of the box legends aren't the same type of animal though - gen 3, 6, and 7's pairings are all totally different. The only thing is that they do all have some sort of duality concept that give them parity so that they have a relationship to each other - as far as I know Lugia and Ho-oh don't really have anything like that but there's no rule that says Lugia has to be a bird because Ho-oh is, and the fact that they look so different is evidence to me that Lugia isn't a bird maybe a dinosaur, which is like sort of a proto-bird - we had this discussion about Archeops too where I fell on the side of "not a bird, by technicality of the fact that it wouldn't have been called a bird yet" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 06/20/17 12:36:33 AM #22: |
I don't think Lugia is dragonlike at all.
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Raka_Putra 06/20/17 12:37:35 AM #23: |
It's a fish. Particularly this species:
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Dark Young Link 06/20/17 12:38:50 AM #24: |
If Lugia's a dragon, then Suicune, Raikou, and Entei are all dogs.
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LusterSoldier 06/20/17 12:42:03 AM #25: |
Paratroopa1 posted...
Most of the box legends aren't the same type of animal though - gen 3, 6, and 7's pairings are all totally different. The only thing is that they do all have some sort of duality concept that give them parity so that they have a relationship to each other - as far as I know Lugia and Ho-oh don't really have anything like that" From the box legends of Gen 3, 6, and 7, only Groudon seems to not be based on any kind of animal (that I know of). Kyogre is a whale, Xerneas is a deer, Yveltal is another bird, Solgaleo is a lion, and Lunala is a bat. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BK_Sheikah00, Guru Champ! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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woodman 06/20/17 12:45:47 AM #26: |
LusterSoldier posted...
Paratroopa1 posted...Most of the box legends aren't the same type of animal though - gen 3, 6, and 7's pairings are all totally different. The only thing is that they do all have some sort of duality concept that give them parity so that they have a relationship to each other - as far as I know Lugia and Ho-oh don't really have anything like that" No. Kyogre is a leviathan and Groudon is a behemoth. Rayquaza was probably meant to be like Ziz but ended up as a generic sky serpent. --- NFUN nice ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lolo_Guru 06/20/17 12:47:40 AM #27: |
The only pokebird is MISSINGNo.
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Drakeryn 06/20/17 12:48:07 AM #28: |
Anagram posted...
I don't think Lugia is dragonlike at all. The long neck, the legs/feet, and the tail all seem dragonlike (and un-birdlike). But also, I'm more convinced of "not a bird" than "maybe a dragon." The overall shape and musculature just isn't like a bird. --- another place and time, without a great divide, and we could be flying deadly high ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JackMan 06/20/17 12:50:02 AM #29: |
I mean, it has feathers.
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Paratroopa1 06/20/17 12:50:04 AM #30: |
Yveltal is a good comparison by the way - pretty similar to Lugia, I had to spend a few minutes studying it, but Yveltal is definitely a bird -
- Visible feathers - Bird-style wings - Talons, bird legs - Tailfeathers - Overall body suggestive of a bird - An actual beak in my opinion, Lugia has none of these things, which is what doesn't make him look like a bird to my eye. When I look at it my brain sorts it into 'dragon or dragon-like creature', not 'bird' ... Copied to Clipboard!
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woodman 06/20/17 12:50:53 AM #31: |
He's flying type and not water, which rules out the fish thing for me (for the most part), and seems to be more a bird than anything else.
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Paratroopa1 06/20/17 12:51:25 AM #32: |
Types are a joke though, I'm pretty sure they just made lugia a psychic type because psychic types are 'powerful'
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Paratroopa1 06/20/17 12:51:48 AM #33: |
(I don't think Lugia is a fish either though)
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Anagram 06/20/17 12:57:21 AM #34: |
Paratroopa1 posted...
Lugia has feathers (Silver Feather) and the same kind of wings as Farfetch'd. I'll grant that it doesn't have talons or bird legs, but it's still bird-shaped other than that. Also, the upper part of its jaw its beak-ish. --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 06/20/17 1:02:48 AM #35: |
It does have a sort of beak-ish mouth but it's not fully enough a beak for me to conclude it has to be a bird
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metroid composite 06/20/17 1:03:17 AM #36: |
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Lugia_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
Lugia is a large Pokémon that resembles a dragon, a plesiosaur, and a bird. Lugia leads the Legendary birds. When they fight over territory, Lugia is the only Pokémon that can quell their ceaseless fighting, as observed in the second Pokémon movie. Much like the birds, it possesses the ability to control the weather; So the one thing that's a little bit weird is the plesiosaur reference. Plesiosaurs are biologically not dinosaurs and not birds. They're aquatic reptiles. (Lugia is admitedly master of the ocean; if they ever add triple typing I would assume it would get water type). --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision ... Copied to Clipboard!
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woodman 06/20/17 1:05:46 AM #37: |
Ok, my brother has weighed in with his expert opinion:
Lugia is a dragon bird! --- NFUN nice ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jeff Zero 06/20/17 1:06:23 AM #38: |
woodman posted...
Ok, my brother has weighed in with his expert opinion: There we go. Settled. --- Intel Ops 1964 Kennedy | Die Hard Drive with a Vengeance | 54x Carthaginian Corsair Privateer | Guardian Force Bahamut ... Copied to Clipboard!
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metroid composite 06/20/17 1:06:54 AM #39: |
Paratroopa1 posted...
It does have a sort of beak-ish mouth but it's not fully enough a beak for me to conclude it has to be a bird If anything, the mouth most reminds me of turtle mouths, or maybe I've been playing too much Hearthstone lately http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Tortollan --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision ... Copied to Clipboard!
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-hotdogturtle-- 06/20/17 1:09:18 AM #40: |
This is what some B8ers actually believe.
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Anagram 06/20/17 1:10:09 AM #41: |
-hotdogturtle-- posted...
This is what some B8ers actually believe. I don't know, Missingno's right side seems awfully beak-like to me. --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 06/20/17 1:11:25 AM #42: |
metroid composite posted...
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Lugia_(Pok%C3%A9mon)Lugia is a large Pokémon that resembles a dragon, a plesiosaur, and a bird.Lugia leads the Legendary birds. When they fight over territory, Lugia is the only Pokémon that can quell their ceaseless fighting, as observed in the second Pokémon movie. Much like the birds, it possesses the ability to control the weather; "Resembles" a bird I don't disagree with mind you - Golduck also "resembles" a bird, Porygon "resembles" a bird, but neither are birds the "leading the legendary birds" thing is a) as far as I know, specifically some shit just the second Pokemon movie made up, which I couldn't care less about and b) completely irrelevant - if I took up falconry tomorrow and owned a pet falcon, that wouldn't make me a falcon ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 06/20/17 1:11:40 AM #43: |
and believe me I wish it made me a falcon
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-hotdogturtle-- 06/20/17 1:12:25 AM #44: |
metroid composite posted...
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Lugia_(Pok%C3%A9mon)Lugia is a large Pokémon that resembles a dragon, a plesiosaur, and a bird. B-b-but wikis aren't reliable because anyone can edit them! --- Hey man, LlamaGuy did encrypt the passwords. With what? ROT-13? -CJayC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kenri 06/20/17 1:15:28 AM #45: |
Paratroopa1 posted...
if I took up falconry tomorrow and owned a pet falcon, that wouldn't make me a falcon Well not with THAT attitude --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 06/20/17 1:16:16 AM #46: |
It's more likely to just turn me into a Saudi prince and I don't want that to happen
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metroid composite 06/20/17 1:52:37 AM #47: |
Paratroopa1 posted...
"Resembles" a bird I don't disagree with mind you - Golduck also "resembles" a bird, Porygon "resembles" a bird, but neither are birds Golduck isn't a bird? It has duck in its name. I mean, Psyduck is definitely a bird. I guess Golduck resembes Kappas from Japanese folklore, so maybe it's not supposed to be a bird? I would kind of assume that something that evolves from a bird and still has "duck" in the name would still be a bird. Porygon is obviously synthetic, though, sure. --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 06/20/17 2:07:21 AM #48: |
Golduck's a kappa - it was the choice of whoever named it in the translation to name it after a duck, but that doesn't make it a duck
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Altimadark 06/20/17 2:19:34 AM #49: |
IMO, Lugia is less a bird than the Legendary Beasts are dogs.
Considering it has grey skin and no feathers, and considering its status as "guardian of the seas," I'd say Lugia mostly resembles some sort of marine mammal, though with plesiosaur-like features (neck, tail, wings) and, uh, fingers.... for some reason. --- There never was a post. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and refracted the light from Venus. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GuessMyUserName 06/20/17 2:51:37 AM #50: |
Altimadark posted...
Considering it has grey skin and no feathers https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Silver_and_Rainbow_Wings --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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