Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 10 - Fire Consumes, But Cold Preserves

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Nanahara715 posted...

"Confirmed scum" are Chris, Han, and Shad, and none of them moved to Puns at the end of the day from me or shifted focus away from me.

As I said earlier, the timing of the push on Puns by Shad and Han took a lot of the attention off of your lynch. That's a documented fact that you can look up in the archives.

FFD, Scare and I are pretty firmly MI/KBM currently

Boko hasn't really posted beyond the first couple of times

I forget what Stan is at currently but I think he's the Nana/Death rep
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Gee, it would be nice to hear Boko's take though.

keep forgetting to tag new topics

anyway, thanks to a site thats banned for some reason I can at least ISO Han

also are you trying to make something out of Puns? Nana?
because the day1 lynch had two confirmed scum on Puns, even when Dowolf was briefly in the lead
or is it just about you?
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I remember Boko being the best at the end game, so I hope he comes back soon.
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Nanahara715 posted...

My Immortal posted...

Leo3L posted...

I agree that town Nana usually plays much better, but I think it's a little overstated here

Who's your second scum here?

(I probably should've just condensed this into one post. Sue me.)

KBM or Red. Leaning KBM but I wouldn't be surprised either way. Red gets points for expressing more doubt on scum (i.e. Han special D2) but loses points for not ever actually pushing for... anything really.

I trust VI
I trust puns
I trust you
I trust death even more now that I know we had a full time doctor

Why would having EVEN MORE PROTECTION make you more comfortable with EVEN MORE SCANNING?

Do you not read my posts? I've explicitly stated this

I could see scum not having a roleblocker if there was no doctor.
However, since we had a doctor, scum has to have a roleblocker.
That roleblocker has to be blocking someone.
QED Death is being roleblocked.
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boko, lazy even in death

also the more I think and the more I read
the more I wonder if I was left alive just so that someone could push MI today
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actually it should be the other way around
killing me makes MI look bad
but eh reverse psychology
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MI wasnt it a 1 time doctor with scum likely having an unblockable kill or kills?
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Leo3L posted...

Technically speaking Suprak said not to flavour meta. Set up meta is still on the table.

MI, I don't believe your role was set up to fail because if you claimed power early on you have a high chance of being targeted by the scum blocker who is not a ninja.

Consider D2:

Chris: There was a bus drive FML
MI: Yeah that was my B, scum can get around it somehow. I'm Margaery Town JOAT
Scum: Roleblock MI or shoot MI, MI is potentially saved by Bokokbok or scum has doctor fear, scum ded

Sure, you can say that hindsight is 20/20, but it's along the same lines of saying your role was doomed to fail just because it happened to fail.

I mean, yeah, but I also expected to be blocked N3 and catch the blocker then. (Or killed and know who killed me and not be able to do anything about it)

But giving me a 1 use bus drive which I was so excited I could use to guarantee our cop survives & gets a scan

And then NOPE
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I do think it's pretty silly that seemingly no one on the mason team is entertaining the idea that Death and MI are both telling the truth.

It would have been sweet if you were town and got shot and I eventually recruited you to solve your own murder

Too bad scum is also psychic to play around that ability
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

I do think it's pretty silly that seemingly no one on the mason team is entertaining the idea that Death and MI are both telling the truth.

So scum is you and Nana?
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red13n posted...

MI wasnt it a 1 time doctor with scum likely having an unblockable kill or kills?

I have no idea what you're saying here
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

I do think it's pretty silly that seemingly no one on the mason team is entertaining the idea that Death and MI are both telling the truth.

Right?
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Maybe they're both telling the truth and Leo is telling the truth and it's a Nana/Red scum team.

This has been my feeling today.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

"Confirmed scum" are Chris, Han, and Shad, and none of them moved to Puns at the end of the day from me or shifted focus away from me.

As I said earlier, the timing of the push on Puns by Shad and Han took a lot of the attention off of your lynch. That's a documented fact that you can look up in the archives.

Here are the votals at the start of topic 3

Votals Are Coming:
[4] Scare: Leo, Stan, puns, Death
[2] Chris: (puns), Scare, Nana
[2] MysteriousStan: Han, dowolf
[2] Boko: MI, KBM
[1] Leo: Chris, (MI)
[1] puns: Shad
[1] Death: VI
[0] VI: (Chris)
[0] red: (VI), (KBM)
[0] Nana: (Chris), (KBM)
[0] MI: (puns)
[0] dowolf: (Chris)
[0] Jeff: (Nana)

I have no one on me, Shad is already on Puns, and Scare is leading the lynch.

Midway through topic 3

Suprak Approved Votals:
[4] MysteriousStan: Han, dowolf, Jeff Zero, puns
[2] Nana: (Chris), (KBM), MI, KBM
[1] dowolf: (Chris), (MI), Leo
[1] Scare: (Leo), Stan, (puns), (Death)
[1] Chris: (puns), (Scare), Nana
[1] Leo: Chris, (MI)
[1] puns: Shad
[1] Death: VI
[1] FFD: red
[0] Boko: (MI), (KBM)
[0] VI: (Chris)
[0] red: (VI), (KBM)
[0] MI: (puns)
[0] Jeff: (Nana)

I have votes from you and MI. Shad still on Puns. Confirmed scum Han on Stan.

New Page New Votals
[6] MysteriousStan: Han, dowolf, Jeff Zero, puns, Leo, death
[3] Nana: (Chris), (KBM), MI, KBM, Stan
[1] Chris: (puns), (Scare), Nana
[1] Leo: Chris, (MI)
[1] puns: Shad
[1] Death: VI
[1] FFD: red
[0] Scare: (Leo), (Stan), (puns), (Death)
[0] dowolf: (Chris), (MI), (Leo)
[0] Boko: (MI), (KBM)
[0] VI: (Chris)
[0] red: (VI), (KBM)
[0] MI: (puns)
[0] Jeff: (Nana)

Stan votes me here in what is a self-admitted preservation vote with multiple hours left in the game. 3 is the most votes I have at any point on Day 1.

[2] MysteriousStan: Han, (dowolf), (Jeff Zero), puns, (Leo), (death)
[2] puns: Shad, Stan
[1] Nana: (Chris), (KBM), (MI), KBM, (Stan)
[1] Chris: (puns), (Scare), Nana
[1] Leo: Chris, (MI)
[1] Death: VI
[1] FFD: red
[0] Scare: (Leo), (Stan), (puns), (Death)
[0] dowolf: (Chris), (MI), (Leo)
[0] Boko: (MI), (KBM)
[0] VI: (Chris)
[0] red: (VI), (KBM)
[0] MI: (puns)
[0] Jeff: (Nana)

MI unvotes me because "the Stan vote looks bad." Everyone unvotes Stan because of his claim. Stan then votes for Puns because he like death his vote on Stan the least. Puns now is the lynch leader at 2, with one confirmed scum who sat on him all day.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

I do think it's pretty silly that seemingly no one on the mason team is entertaining the idea that Death and MI are both telling the truth.

I mean

We did, until we learned what Scare's role was

You can even see how I start the day calling MI and Death town
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You're being pedantic in an attempt to comically misconstrue my point. I didn't say the lynch on you was ever going to be a success, I'm literally just talking about the specific timing of votes - especially Han's.

I may have mentally transposed Stan and Shad's votes at some point, admittedly. Their names look very similar. I suppose you think that means they should have been modkilled for confusing us.

Part of me's still waiting for the 'Nah, he was just a rb shield like the wiki states' and reveal this was a ruse to catch the real scum.
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Leo3L posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I do think it's pretty silly that seemingly no one on the mason team is entertaining the idea that Death and MI are both telling the truth.

I mean

We did, until we learned what Scare's role was

You can even see how I start the day calling MI and Death town

It's bold almost to the point of stupidity to throw all previous reads down the drain thanks to one piece of information when we don't even know what roles scum has left. Your role is weird as shit, who's to say they don't have a weird as shit powerful role left too?

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Their names look very similar. I suppose you think that means they should have been modkilled for confusing us.

https://media.tenor.com/images/49df7e51ecad99568498baa250b6e779/tenor.gif
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Cont from previous

LITERALLY the next vote is Death joining Red on the FFD push. At this point, there are THREE Lynch trains with more votes than me before Han throws in on Puns.

Saying "Shad actively took heat off me" is disengenuous because Shad was voting for Puns before I even had any votes, and he literally didn't move. Saying Puns was taking heat off me doesn't make sense because I had one player (YOU) on me at the time with multiple other Lynches with multiple votes.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Leo3L posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I do think it's pretty silly that seemingly no one on the mason team is entertaining the idea that Death and MI are both telling the truth.

I mean

We did, until we learned what Scare's role was

You can even see how I start the day calling MI and Death town

It's bold almost to the point of stupidity to throw all previous reads down the drain thanks to one piece of information when we don't even know what roles scum has left. Your role is weird as shit, who's to say they don't have a weird as shit powerful role left too?

I only thought MI was town because of his claim. It was never based on his play. If something happens to undermine that claim, of course I'm going to change my mind.

Live by the role meta, die by the role meta.

I can't think what scum role is powerful enough to balance this out and yet not powerful enough to have any apparent effect on the game.

Refresh my memory on why you think MI is town? bottom line it for me, please.
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Leo3L posted...

Refresh my memory on why you think MI is town? bottom line it for me, please.

I don't necessarily 100% believe he is town but it feels like some of us are not even considering that possibility when it's in fact a very clear possibility, role meta be damned. When I read back through the game, I felt like I was reading an earnest, town MI. I'm not willing to throw that aside because his role may or may not coexist with a seemingly brokenly powerful one. I've seen this absolutely tank towns before. I have to stick with Nana as the best option for today until something changes. "Too much power" is not enough of a reason for me to lynch someone who I think has been helpful and not scummy, even though I freely admit that MI is a good enough player to pull it off. It's not like we've only got one scum left to find.

Scare thinks KBM is the roleblocker because she got no attention or votes early on despite ostensibly being an easy mislynch candidate and was protected by Chris.

MI has a history of claiming town jack as scum jack apparently
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How is the breaking point for balance a bus drive / track / psychic? What about that tips it over the realm of possible compared to everything else
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I can't recall ever even being scum jack.
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Leo3L posted...

I can't think what scum role is powerful enough to balance this out and yet not powerful enough to have any apparent effect on the game.

I wouldn't have ever guessed your role or Scare's role would pop up in this game and leave any semblance of balance behind, but there you are. I choose to trust our host until we have solid reason not to.

Why do you think my play isn't town Leo?

Also were you in Skyrim Mafia?
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Nanahara715 posted...

Cont from previous

LITERALLY the next vote is Death joining Red on the FFD push. At this point, there are THREE Lynch trains with more votes than me before Han throws in on Puns.

Saying "Shad actively took heat off me" is disengenuous because Shad was voting for Puns before I even had any votes, and he literally didn't move. Saying Puns was taking heat off me doesn't make sense because I had one player (YOU) on me at the time with multiple other Lynches with multiple votes.

Fucking furthermore, at the point where I have one vote, CHRIS also has one vote (as does Death), yet your argument is that Han is diverting away from MY lynch, and not [confirmed scum] Chris's lynch
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Scum has to slog through a doctor, a bodyguard, a bulletproof AND a bus driver, and when they finally do manage to somehow kill someone, they live on through me.

Busdriver and Bodyguard are one shots, so I could see that with just a BP and my role. But a full time doctor as well? Forget that Scare can confirm himself town very easily, that's way too much protection to be reasonable.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Cont from previous

LITERALLY the next vote is Death joining Red on the FFD push. At this point, there are THREE Lynch trains with more votes than me before Han throws in on Puns.

Saying "Shad actively took heat off me" is disengenuous because Shad was voting for Puns before I even had any votes, and he literally didn't move. Saying Puns was taking heat off me doesn't make sense because I had one player (YOU) on me at the time with multiple other Lynches with multiple votes.

Fucking furthermore, at the point where I have one vote, CHRIS also has one vote (as does Death), yet your argument is that Han is diverting away from MY lynch, and not [confirmed scum] Chris's lynch

You are just ignoring everything that I'm saying aren't you.

My Immortal posted...

Why do you think my play isn't town Leo?

Also were you in Skyrim Mafia?

I've mentioned this several times today, I'll quote it later because I have to run

I think so. I recall being a serial killer who was paranoid poisoned N1. That was pretty unfun so I don't think I read the whole game. Why?
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KBM, Nana. Both of you thought I was scum yesterday, and now you both think I am Town. Why?
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Every time I have interacted with Nana he has misconstrued what I meant. At this point it HAS to be intentional. My interactions with everybody else have been much more straightforward.

Leo3L posted...

My Immortal posted...

Why do you think my play isn't town Leo?

Also were you in Skyrim Mafia?

I've mentioned this several times today, I'll quote it later because I have to run

I think so. I recall being a serial killer who was paranoid poisoned N1. That was pretty unfun so I don't think I read the whole game. Why?

I can go look for your post

But I was mislynched (AS COP) D4 because "MI hasn't led on scum yet"

And this is feeling eerily familiar to me.
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I mean, last GOT game had mind controller which forced other players to commit the kills.

GOT2 scum team was:
Godfather who got boosted after each "King" was killed and potentially got a revive.
Masonizer
2 shot poisoner
1 shot DV psychic
Unlimited shot Bus Driver
aaaaand a jack of all kills I think... with a Strongman, a Ninja, and a fake track?

There was also a Ninja (BP?) SK, town untargetable bomb, town roleblocker, town vig in waiting?, town bodyguard, town elite bodyguard, a tracker and a flavor cop.
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VeryInsane posted...

KBM, Nana. Both of you thought I was scum yesterday, and now you both think I am Town. Why?

In my big wall last topic I mentioned that Chris' chessboards (and the subsequent revelation that Chris was scum) had you and Puns as necessarily an opposite alignment. I have no reason to believe Chris was telling the truth about this - in fact I think he probably wasn't. I trust Puns quite a bit based on early-game circumstances, so the fact that I suspect the two of you are the same alignment works in your favor.

Leo3L posted...

1. I don't think he's gone after scum once this game
2. He got superrrr defensive when I said that scum roleblocking Death and shooting me meant he was likely scum.
3. He and Chris didn't interact much, which is similar to how Chris treated Han.
4. MI and I have never been in sync, we've usually had opposite views. Usually when we're town we crush it.
5. All his night actions have not given a single scrap of information to town, even when they really should have. See: point 2.

1. I counter with I had a scan catching Shad -- it's just you had one prior to me showing up from Stan -- and without knowing Nana's alignment how can you say I haven't gone after scum when I've wanted to lynch Nana since D1.
2. It felt like a legit slip to me. I wouldn't say I got defensive, I was going after someone who I thought was scum at the time.
3. I can't speak for actions of scum-Chris.
4. See point 1.
5. See point 1.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Every time I have interacted with Nana he has misconstrued what I meant. At this point it HAS to be intentional. My interactions with everybody else have been much more straightforward.

Then point out specifically where your argument is in the votals.

You said "The archives show this" and I'm saying they don't and showing the votals. So what's your argument?
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My Immortal posted...

Leo3L posted...

My Immortal posted...

Why do you think my play isn't town Leo?

Also were you in Skyrim Mafia?

I've mentioned this several times today, I'll quote it later because I have to run

I think so. I recall being a serial killer who was paranoid poisoned N1. That was pretty unfun so I don't think I read the whole game. Why?

I can go look for your post

But I was mislynched (AS COP) D4 because "MI hasn't led on scum yet"

And this is feeling eerily familiar to me.

I know, right? Scum went all in on me as a ML on MYLO-1 and got a fucking surprise.
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Man Nana you never explained your 180 on me

I just don't know anymore it's like you are still at the bar and just throwing darts. But if KBM/MI are the last two they are at least biting hard on your heels?
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Nanahara715 posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Every time I have interacted with Nana he has misconstrued what I meant. At this point it HAS to be intentional. My interactions with everybody else have been much more straightforward.

Then point out specifically where your argument is in the votals.

You said "The archives show this" and I'm saying they don't and showing the votals. So what's your argument?

I can do this later if you really want. I never once talked about the votals themselves. You copy/pasting them has nothing to do with anything and you are willfully ignoring things I'm saying today by hyper- focusing on a comment I've already tried to contextualize for you.

But hmm I wonder why you're ignoring what I'm actually saying. Scum scum scum.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

"Confirmed scum" are Chris, Han, and Shad, and none of them moved to Puns at the end of the day from me or shifted focus away from me.

As I said earlier, the timing of the push on Puns by Shad and Han took a lot of the attention off of your lynch. That's a documented fact that you can look up in the archives.

I posted votals from when this happened.


VengefulKaelee posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Every time I have interacted with Nana he has misconstrued what I meant. At this point it HAS to be intentional. My interactions with everybody else have been much more straightforward.

Then point out specifically where your argument is in the votals.

You said "The archives show this" and I'm saying they don't and showing the votals. So what's your argument?

I can do this later if you really want. I never once talked about the votals themselves. You copy/pasting them has nothing to do with anything and you are willfully ignoring things I'm saying today by hyper- focusing on a comment I've already tried to contextualize for you.

But hmm I wonder why you're ignoring what I'm actually saying. Scum scum scum.

Yes, do this.

And it's like you ignored the annotations and comments about what was happening during that time. You're grasping at straws here.
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sorry
got kinda distracted today by some other stuff
Ill have to complete the ISO tomorrow

I did solidify my read of Puns as town, for what thats worth
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...I'm just never gonna get anything from Nana am I D:
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VeryInsane posted...

...I'm just never gonna get anything from Nana am I D:

Stuff changes as new information is gained. Just because someone may appear Town or scum one day doesn't mean that read is absolute. You are only confirmed the moment you flip.

The way I view the game based on the information I have available to me indicates that MI is probably scum.

I think it's less likely you and MI are a thing than MI and KBM. I don't believe 3 scum are still alive.
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So you're team MI and KBM then?
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Before today ends, everyone should make their opinion known on every other player.
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