Current Events > Teen is killed as he tries to stop his dog from going after a cop.

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Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

It clearly said the kid ran from behind a corner to try and grab the dog.

It didn't specify the footage but I'm betting that if the boy ran less than 20 feet after coming from behind cover the officer probably didn't "obviously see him".

if he tried to grab the dog that means he and the dog aren't far from each other

you can see a kid right there before firing

bullets don't lag so the kid couldn't have run out from behind the corner and the cops is like "oh shit!" but the bullet is mid air and meets the kid and it is too late

he had to fire while the kid was already in the line of fire

so he literally didn't care in that moment that he saw a person, there is no getting around it

There's so many flawed premises' here I'm not gonna touch it.

You clearly don't have experience with firearms, stressful situations, or splitsecond decision making so I see no reason to agreed this statement.

what you actually mean is you have no logical argument to counter me and can't touch it

so instead you will pretend vaguely that I am wrong and try to save face since I got actual statistics to back me and actual logic

and you not having any argument attempt to discredit literal common sense to say only officers have any sense of what going on in such a situation that normal people have no right to even critique him

sad
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OctilIery posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

It clearly said the kid ran from behind a corner to try and grab the dog.

It didn't specify the footage but I'm betting that if the boy ran less than 20 feet after coming from behind cover the officer probably didn't "obviously see him".

if he tried to grab the dog that means he and the dog aren't far from each other

you can see a kid right there before firing

bullets don't lag so the kid couldn't have run out from behind the corner and the cops is like "oh shit!" but the bullet is mid air and meets the kid and it is too late

he had to fire while the kid was already in the line of fire

so he literally didn't care in that moment that he saw a person, there is no getting around it

and if the kid wasn't close enough to see and still got hit....that cop shouldn't be shooting a gun because he's a terrible shot if stray bullets are going all over, capable of hitting things several feet away that aren't in site.

I'm going to guess you have no experience with guns and no knowledge of how bullets work.

Probably not considering he thought it was illegal to kill a dog that's attacking you.
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D-Qwon posted...

What ever happened to just shooting a suspect in the leg to stop them from running? Why do cops always shoot to kill these days?

People still believe this shit?

1. It's a lot harder to hit the leg of a moving target than it is to hit center of mass. These are cops not snipers.
2. If the target has a gun shooting his leg is a lot less likely to stop him from shooting
3. A shot to the leg can be lethal. A hit to a major artery and you can bleed out in minutes. The same applies to the arms. There are several spots on the arms/shoulders that if hit can quickly result in rapid bleedout.
4. aiming away from center of mass increase the chance of missing and potentially hitting a innocent person

Shut the fuck up if you have no idea what you are talking about thanks,
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

It clearly said the kid ran from behind a corner to try and grab the dog.

It didn't specify the footage but I'm betting that if the boy ran less than 20 feet after coming from behind cover the officer probably didn't "obviously see him".

if he tried to grab the dog that means he and the dog aren't far from each other

you can see a kid right there before firing

bullets don't lag so the kid couldn't have run out from behind the corner and the cops is like "oh shit!" but the bullet is mid air and meets the kid and it is too late

he had to fire while the kid was already in the line of fire

so he literally didn't care in that moment that he saw a person, there is no getting around it

There's so many flawed premises' here I'm not gonna touch it.

You clearly don't have experience with firearms, stressful situations, or splitsecond decision making so I see no reason to agreed this statement.

what you actually mean is you have no logical argument to counter me and can't touch it

so instead you will pretend vaguely that I am wrong and try to save face since I got actual statistics to back me and actual logic

and you not having any argument attempt to discredit literal common sense to say only officers have any sense of what going on in such a situation that normal people have no right to even critique him

sad

Give me the statistics and proof for everything I bolded.

I'll wait while you shy away and pretend this post doesn't exist.

@darkphoenix181

If you don't know what a flawed premise is than just ask for clarification. No need to look foolish.
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See, the point is, if the police officers had beaten the dog up with batons instead of shooting it, (which they totally could've done, seeing as there were at least 2 officers), then the teen wouldn't be dead.
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OctilIery posted...

Done with this topic now, better things to focus on

Good. Because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Give me the statistics and proof for everything I bolded.

I'll wait while you shy away and pretend this post doesn't exist.

you believe bullets float in mid air such that after firing at the dog the teen can run the corner see the bullet flying at him and then die?
teen must been the flash
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But guys, pitbull's are the sweetest dogs.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Give me the statistics and proof for everything I bolded.

I'll wait while you shy away and pretend this post doesn't exist.

you believe bullets float in mid air such that after firing at the dog the teen can run the corner see the bullet flying at him and then die?
teen must been the flash

It's amazing. You couldn't touch on anything I actually bolded so you bring up something I didn't?

Like you should have just not posted, instead you just dig yourself deeper. It's absolutely amazing.

If you can't prove anything you said just admit it. You get more respect by admitting a mistake than trying to cover it up bro.
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Apparently bullet flight time is the only thing to consider and not the officers reaction time + the kid's?
Christ CE. Christ.
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Drpooplol posted...

D-Qwon posted...

What ever happened to just shooting a suspect in the leg to stop them from running? Why do cops always shoot to kill these days?

Are you saying that these cops should have aimed at a dog's legs?

I thought it was pretty obvious I was referring to the teen who died.
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More pigs murdering
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Wedge Antilles posted...

But guys, pitbull's are the sweetest dogs.

No such thing as bad pitbulls

Only had owners
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Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Give me the statistics and proof for everything I bolded.

I'll wait while you shy away and pretend this post doesn't exist.

you believe bullets float in mid air such that after firing at the dog the teen can run the corner see the bullet flying at him and then die?
teen must been the flash

It's amazing. You couldn't touch on anything I actually bolded so you bring up something I didn't?

Like you should have just not posted, instead you just dig yourself deeper. It's absolutely amazing.

If you can't prove anything you said just admit it. You get more respect by admitting a mistake than trying to cover it up bro.

My reply has everything to do with what you bolded.

What is amazing is you have nothing to say.
0 argument

but that is expected when you aren't using logic


Bullets travel 2,500 feet per second

You literally telling me cop fired his gun, as the bullet was already traveling the teen made his way around a corner and the bullet being already fired mid air then hit him

he would have to have been 5000+ feet away and able to move faster than the bullet


so anyone using their logic would conclude the teen was in sight when fired upon because no one can move fast enough to enter sight at a rate of 2500 feet to get hit

the cop didn't pull the trigger and go OH NO A TEEN

he pulled the trigger with a teen in his sights thinking he would only hit the dog
he should have known better and his hands are bloody
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OctilIery posted...

What happened is that was never a thing because that's an idiotic idea.

How is it idiotic to simply stop a suspect in their tracks rather than killing them?
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Unfortunate for the kid but he should have been more careful. His pitbul cost him his life tbh.
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_Near_ posted...

People are highly overestimating the danger of a dog attack. Mace would work perfectly fine. Even if it doesn't completely stop the dog, guess what? You have at least 4 feet and 50-100+ pounds on the animal. You can kick it, choke it, and put your weight on it until someone brings you tape or a rope so you restrain that fucker.

But no, it's easier to shoot it. And let's be real, lots of cops are just looking for an excuse; and this is a perfect one.

My neighbor had a Rottweiler come into her yard. She pepper sprayed it. That just pissed it off even more.
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DirkDiggles posted...

My neighbor had a Rottweiler come into her yard. She pepper sprayed it. That just pissed it off even more.

is she dead or have her face eaten off?
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DirkDiggles posted...

My neighbor had a Rottweiler come into her yard. She pepper sprayed it. That just pissed it off even more.

Was she a trained police officer who carried non-lethal blunt force weapons answering a 911 call?
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Give me the statistics and proof for everything I bolded.

I'll wait while you shy away and pretend this post doesn't exist.

you believe bullets float in mid air such that after firing at the dog the teen can run the corner see the bullet flying at him and then die?
teen must been the flash

It's amazing. You couldn't touch on anything I actually bolded so you bring up something I didn't?

Like you should have just not posted, instead you just dig yourself deeper. It's absolutely amazing.

If you can't prove anything you said just admit it. You get more respect by admitting a mistake than trying to cover it up bro.

My reply has everything to do with what you bolded.

What is amazing is you have nothing to say.
0 argument

but that is expected when you aren't using logic


Bullets travel 2,500 feet per second

You literally telling me cop fired his gun, as the bullet was already traveling the teen made his way around a corner and the bullet being already fired mid air then hit him

he would have to have been 5000+ feet away and able to move faster than the bullet


so anyone using their logic would conclude the teen was in sight when fired upon because no one can move fast enough to enter sight at a rate of 2500 feet to get hit

the cop didn't pull the trigger and go OH NO A TEEN

he pulled the trigger with a teen in his sights thinking he would only hit the dog
he should have known better and his hands are bloody

lol you're delusional and an idiot.

You believe what you want, the posts speak for themselves. You're not capable of rational discussion, articulating a coherent thought, or creating a logical argument.

You enjoy spouting off incoherent bullshit lol.
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_Near_ posted...

See, the point is, if the police officers had beaten the dog up with batons instead of shooting it, (which they totally could've done, seeing as there were at least 2 officers), then the teen wouldn't be dead.

Do you even know how dangerous animals can be? No sane person is going to go up against a pitbull that is attacking with just a stick. You see what the trainers wear when training police dogs? Guess why they wear it?
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Bullets travel 2,500 feet per second

lol.
Rifle bullets.

Not handgun bullets. (Cept maybe 5.7)
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_Near_ posted...

Was she a trained police officer who carried non-lethal blunt force weapons answering a 911 call?

Nah, she ran inside and called animal control. Ended up killing it anyways.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

DirkDiggles posted...

My neighbor had a Rottweiler come into her yard. She pepper sprayed it. That just pissed it off even more.

is she dead or have her face eaten off?

_Near_ posted...

DirkDiggles posted...

My neighbor had a Rottweiler come into her yard. She pepper sprayed it. That just pissed it off even more.

Was she a trained police officer who carried non-lethal blunt force weapons answering a 911 call?

The two legendary arguers.

Address their statement that pepper spray was a good alternative but showing it isn't and what do you get? A completely irrelevant statement back that they actually believe makes them look "witty" or intelligent.

These two continue to amaze me.
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LightHawKnight posted...

Do you even know how dangerous animals can be? No sane person is going to go up against a pitbull that is attacking with just a stick. You see what the trainers wear when training police dogs? Guess why they wear it?

Trainers wear that because the dogs are literally getting commands to attack them. Of course you're gonna wear that if the whole point is to get bit. Why would you not? And are you seriously comparing a training K9 unit to a random pitbull?

Also, someone already posted the statistics 30 people out of 4.5 million dog attacks a year die. You're overestimating their danger. And yes, people go against a pitbull with sticks. It's not a fucking hellhound, it's just a dog. Back in my hometown, people used switches and pipes to fight off the stray/feral dogs. The dogs usually lost. Badly.
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guys, don't you know cops carry nunchaku and batons and study pressure point techniques that can drop an elephant without killing it??

They are just too lazy to use it. damn cops
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...

I never understood why cops are so threatened by a dog that their only resort is to shoot it.

A dog with rabies would be more understandable.

Because they're pussies.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Address their statement that pepper spray was a good alternative but showing it isn't and what do you get? A completely irrelevant statement back that they actually believe makes them look "witty" or intelligent.

These two continue to amaze me.

Oh and some anecdotal evidence counts as a good argument? Fuck off, kid.
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_Near_ posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Do you even know how dangerous animals can be? No sane person is going to go up against a pitbull that is attacking with just a stick. You see what the trainers wear when training police dogs? Guess why they wear it?

Trainers wear that because the dogs are literally getting commands to attack them. Of course you're gonna wear that if the whole point is to get bit. Why would you not? And are you seriously comparing a training K9 unit to a random pitbull?

Also, someone already posted the statistics 30 people out of 4.5 million dog attacks a year die. You're overestimating their danger. And yes, people go against a pitbull with sticks. It's not a fucking hellhound, it's just a dog. Back in my hometown, people used switches and pipes to fight off the stray/feral dogs. The dogs usually lost. Badly.

Have you ever been attacked by a pitbull? While normally they do not attack, but when they are trained to do so, they are incredibly deadly. Two sticks isn't going to do shit.
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_Near_ posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Do you even know how dangerous animals can be? No sane person is going to go up against a pitbull that is attacking with just a stick. You see what the trainers wear when training police dogs? Guess why they wear it?

Trainers wear that because the dogs are literally getting commands to attack them. Of course you're gonna wear that if the whole point is to get bit. Why would you not? And are you seriously comparing a training K9 unit to a random pitbull?

Also, someone already posted the statistics 30 people out of 4.5 million dog attacks a year die. You're overestimating their danger. And yes, people go against a pitbull with sticks. It's not a fucking hellhound, it's just a dog. Back in my hometown, people used switches and pipes to fight off the stray/feral dogs. The dogs usually lost. Badly.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-quick-statistics.php

4.5 million dog bites a year. Nearly 1/5 bites become infected.

What are you gonna say now?
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LightHawKnight posted...

Have you ever been attacked by a pitbull? While normally they do not attack, but when they are trained to do so, they are incredibly deadly. Two sticks isn't going to do shit.

Yeah do you think this pitbull was trained to attack? Of course not. Neither would the overwhelming fucking majority of the pitbulls any of these police officers would come into contact with.

If they're breaking into a trap house and clearing out, yeah - shoot 'em. But it's a teenager at a fucking house party. It ain't cujo.
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_Near_ posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Address their statement that pepper spray was a good alternative but showing it isn't and what do you get? A completely irrelevant statement back that they actually believe makes them look "witty" or intelligent.

These two continue to amaze me.

Oh and some anecdotal evidence counts as a good argument? Fuck off, kid.

Then say that for fucks sake. Don't try and turn the subject.

I just pointed out your stupidity don't get mad someone called you out on it.
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How stupid do you have to be to run into the line of fire after a god damn dog? That's... That's just idiotic.
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Why am I not surprised that people have bleeding hearts over some mutt getting shot?

waw
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Zeeak4444 posted...

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-quick-statistics.php

4.5 million dog hires a year. Nearly 1/5 bites become infected.

What are you gonna say now?

Doesn't make a difference. The infection-related deaths are already counted in the 30 deaths. Also, if you get a dog bite, go to the doctor (within 24 hours), and do what they tell you, it's unlikely that it will get infected and if it does, it can be treated relatively easily.
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Wedge Antilles posted...

But guys, pitbull's are the sweetest dogs.

I have a friend with 3 pit bulls and a 4 year old kid, they would never hurt him. Because they're trained properly
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_Near_ posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-quick-statistics.php

4.5 million dog hires a year. Nearly 1/5 bites become infected.

What are you gonna say now?

Doesn't make a difference. The infection-related deaths are already counted in the 30 deaths. Also, if you get a dog bite, go to the doctor (within 24 hours), and do what they tell you, it's unlikely that it will get infected and if it does, it can be treated relatively easily.

Oh the hosptial visits. You're refering to the fact that over 1,000 citizens need emergency medical care to treat those injuries daily right?

Please, tell me again how death is the only relevant statistic. Those 28,000 people who had to undergo reconstructive surgery as a result of being attacked by a dog don't matter right?

You sure care about the people /s
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Then say that for fucks sake. Don't try and turn the subject.

I just pointed out your stupidity don't get mad someone called you out on it.

Aww, you're just mad cause you thought you caught me on something. Cute.
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thronedfire2 posted...

Wedge Antilles posted...

But guys, pitbull's are the sweetest dogs.

I have a friend with 3 pit bulls and a 4 year old kid, they would never hurt him. Because they're trained properly

Same, my good friends breed pits and have about 20-30 a year born. Their 5 and 8 year old have been around all those pits (300+) over those 8 years and never one incident. Even the untrained and newborns.

It's largely up to how their raised.
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_Near_ posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Then say that for fucks sake. Don't try and turn the subject.

I just pointed out your stupidity don't get mad someone called you out on it.

Aww, you're just mad cause you thought you caught me on something. Cute.

No I did. Just because you would prefer to be delusional and pretend like you didn't make an irrelevant statement back as a counter argument to Dirk doesn't mean you didn't.
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B8ter posted...

Why am I not surprised that people have bleeding hearts over some mutt getting shot?

waw

And the police defense force tryharding against the other tryhards. It's like clockwork, it's fun to watch.

Though if you post something like a cop shooting a dog on a leash, the police defense force mysteriously misses the topic

Rexdragon125 posted...

B8ter posted...

Why am I not surprised that people have bleeding hearts over some mutt getting shot?

waw

And the police defense force tryharding against the other tryhards. It's like clockwork, it's fun to watch.

Though if you post something like a cop shooting a dog on a leash, the police defense force mysteriously misses the topic

Zeeak4444 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Rexdragon125 posted...

I wonder how mailmen function without getting mauled by dogs every day, maybe police stations could take a hint from them

They actually get the dogs put down if they get attack in almost every case.

Do some research before drawing up a comparison or analogy.

@Rexdragon125

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/06/health/postal-service-dog-attack-cities/index.html

6,755 attacks on mailman in 2016.

So what about 13-16 attacks a day. What were you saying again Rex?

Why did you mysteriously miss this post? Don't do the same thing you're trying to ridicule.
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Are people seriously saying we should use other methods to subdue an attacking dog? I'm willing to bet some of these same people have never been in a situation where a dog has attacked them or anyone else. No, you don't try to subdue the dog in a nonlethal force. You put it down immediately before it takes someone's life.

I was in a situation where my neighbors were out and their dogs ended up attacking the kids out of nowhere. When I finally into their house, one of the dogs had already took several of the 5 year old boy's fingers off. The 11 year old girl had a chunk of flesh torn out of her arm and the dogs were still on edge and acting violent. If I knew it was that bad, I would have brought my gun and shot the damn things.

And no, they are not bad people or shit owners. The dogs were rescued from a shelter so obviously the previous owners did something wrong. Still, you should absolutely be willing to put a dog down if necessary. You can't take chances in these situations. It's unfortunate the dog has to die but it has to be done.
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Apocalyptic posted...

Are people seriously saying we should use other methods to subdue an attacking dog? I'm willing to bet some of these same people have never been in a situation where a dog has attacked them or anyone else. No, you don't try to subdue the dog in a nonlethal force. You put it down immediately before it takes someone's life.

I was in a situation where my neighbors were out and their dogs ended up attacking the kids out of nowhere. When I finally into their house, one of the dogs had already took several of the 5 year old boy's fingers off. The 11 year old girl had a chunk of flesh torn out of her arm and the dogs were still on edge and acting violent. If I knew it was that bad, I would have brought my gun and shot the damn things.

And no, they are not bad people or shit owners. The dogs were rescued from a shelter so obviously the previous owners did something wrong. Still, you should absolutely be willing to put a dog down if necessary. You can't take chances in these situations. It's unfortunate the dog has to die but it has to be done.

Careful. You're challenging the keyboard warriors of CE.

@Asherlee10
@VipaGTS

They have the benefit of not having a vicious dog about to rip their throat out at the moment, and so, all cops should carry bear spray or a tranquilizer gun on them at all times just in case something like this were to occur.

It's the benefit of hindsight. These two always know what to do AFTER the potentially dangerous event has occurred. They don't think of the what it's of "someone else might get hurt". They just are in a constant state of anger because deep down, they hate police officers as much as they hate the POTUS. Thus, anything they do must be wrong.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Why did you mysteriously miss this post? Don't do the same thing you're trying to ridicule.

I didn't. I don't actually give a shit because I have better things to do. Don't break a vessel trying too hard. It's just CE.

It's a dog that was charging someone. Why is this even an issue?
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I don't really keep track of names too well. Can someone tell me if the same people who are saying the officer had every right to gun down Michael Brown for charging at him are the same people saying that shooting a dog charging at you is wrong?
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Caution999 posted...

Apocalyptic posted...

Are people seriously saying we should use other methods to subdue an attacking dog? I'm willing to bet some of these same people have never been in a situation where a dog has attacked them or anyone else. No, you don't try to subdue the dog in a nonlethal force. You put it down immediately before it takes someone's life.

I was in a situation where my neighbors were out and their dogs ended up attacking the kids out of nowhere. When I finally into their house, one of the dogs had already took several of the 5 year old boy's fingers off. The 11 year old girl had a chunk of flesh torn out of her arm and the dogs were still on edge and acting violent. If I knew it was that bad, I would have brought my gun and shot the damn things.

And no, they are not bad people or shit owners. The dogs were rescued from a shelter so obviously the previous owners did something wrong. Still, you should absolutely be willing to put a dog down if necessary. You can't take chances in these situations. It's unfortunate the dog has to die but it has to be done.

Careful. You're challenging the keyboard warriors of CE.

@Asherlee10
@VipaGTS

They have the benefit of not having a vicious dog about to rip their throat out at the moment, and so, all cops should carry bear spray or a tranquilizer gun on them at all times just in case something like this were to occur.

It's the benefit of hindsight. These two always know what to do AFTER the potentially dangerous event has occurred. They don't think of the what it's of "someone else might get hurt". They just are in a constant state of anger because deep down, they hate police officers as much as they hate the POTUS. Thus, anything they do must be wrong.

Why tag them? Viper was a bit more vocal but still reasonable, just misinformed.

Tag Darkpheonix or Near since they're the ones actually arguing that dogs are not dangerous to humans for some illogical reason.
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Rexdragon125 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Why did you mysteriously miss this post? Don't do the same thing you're trying to ridicule.

I didn't. I don't actually give a shit because I have better things to do. Don't break a vessel trying too hard. It's just CE.

Lol whatever, typical response from someone complaing about any type of "X defense force" on CE.

If you thought recalling and pulling up a post from like 30 minutes prior is "trying too hard" or exerting any effort but the bare minimum I can only imagine what basic obstacles you struggle with daily.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Lol whatever, typical response from someone complaing about any type of "X defense force" on CE.If you thought recalling and pulling up a post from like 30 minutes prior is "trying too hard" or exerting any effort but the bare minimum I can only imagine what basic obstacles you struggle with daily.

Yes, on top of responding to absolutely everyone with a different opinion from you to let them know they're wrong