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Dash_Harber 06/26/17 9:56:30 PM #52:	ToonLinkWithGun posted... How was he a horrible role model? He healed people, showed compassion, cast out demons, and literally died a gruesome death bearing the sin of every man and woman that had lived, was alive, and ever will live. The worst part is the spiritual torture he also went through. Well, I don't agree with any religion that says that suffering is a good thing, that people should not stand up against injustice or tyranny ("Turn the other cheek", suffering in this life, etc), discourages civic involvement ("Pay back Caesar's things to Caesar and God's things to God"), etc. Jesus sort of embodies these ideas. There was also the fact that some of the stuff he said didn't exactly line up; for example, he told people to turn the other cheek, and then did things like cursing a fig tree for being out of season or chasing people around the temple with a whip. I mean, if you want to believe in him, that's okay. Personally, I put more value in personal responsibility, honor, courage, vigilance, and the forthrightness to stand up for yourself and your loved ones. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881869804] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote> How was he a horrible role model? He healed people, showed compassion, cast out demons, and literally died a gruesome death bearing the sin of every man and woman that had lived, was alive, and ever will live. The worst part is the spiritual torture he also went through.</quote> Well, I don't agree with any religion that says that suffering is a good thing, that people should not stand up against injustice or tyranny ("Turn the other cheek", suffering in this life, etc), discourages civic involvement ("Pay back Caesar's things to Caesar and God's things to God"), etc. Jesus sort of embodies these ideas. There was also the fact that some of the stuff he said didn't exactly line up; for example, he told people to turn the other cheek, and then did things like cursing a fig tree for being out of season or chasing people around the temple with a whip. I mean, if you want to believe in him, that's okay. Personally, I put more value in personal responsibility, honor, courage, vigilance, and the forthrightness to stand up for yourself and your loved ones.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxEffingBemis 06/26/17 10:08:06 PM #53:	The extreme immaturity in this topic is cringeworthy --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band <cite>MaxEffingBemis posted [p:881870535] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote>The extreme immaturity in this topic is cringeworthy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BB mofo 06/26/17 10:41:32 PM #54:	If you want to see a modern version of what early Christianity looked like (and by "modern", I mean 1994), look no further than Chabad and the Messianic Lubavichers. Chabad these days is considered a controversial Jewish organization because segments of it have morphed into a messianic movement. In the past, they were well respected in the Jewish community, mainly due to their highly respected Gadol Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson. He was so well loved that their were members who secretly believed him to be the long awaited Messiah. When it came out in the open, Schneerson denounced it as heresy and denied he was the Messiah, but his most ardent followers still persisted. He threw those members out of the organization, but this just pushed it further underground. After his death from old age in 1994, these Messianic Lubavichers said that Schleeman isn't really dead, but was resurrected and rose into heaven to wait for the end days (Ha Olam) at which point he will return to rule and it will be revealed to all that he is the Messiah. The most heretical members even believe he was God incarnate. Does this all sound familiar? --- "But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?" -Mark Twain <cite>BB mofo posted [p:881872605] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote>If you want to see a modern version of what early Christianity looked like (and by "modern", I mean 1994), look no further than Chabad and the Messianic Lubavichers. Chabad these days is considered a controversial Jewish organization because segments of it have morphed into a messianic movement. In the past, they were well respected in the Jewish community, mainly due to their highly respected Gadol Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson. He was so well loved that their were members who secretly believed him to be the long awaited Messiah. When it came out in the open, Schneerson denounced it as heresy and denied he was the Messiah, but his most ardent followers still persisted. He threw those members out of the organization, but this just pushed it further underground. After his death from old age in 1994, these Messianic Lubavichers said that Schleeman isn't really dead, but was resurrected and rose into heaven to wait for the end days (Ha Olam) at which point he will return to rule and it will be revealed to all that he is the Messiah. The most heretical members even believe he was God incarnate. Does this all sound familiar?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mystere 06/26/17 10:44:30 PM #55:	ToonLinkWithGun posted... Dustin1280 posted... Imagine believing in a sky fairy, and attributing your purpose of life to said being. God is not a sky fairy, and Jesus was a real person and is the Son of God. Your mom is the son of God. <cite>Mystere posted [p:881872775] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine believing in a sky fairy, and attributing your purpose of life to said being.</quote> God is not a sky fairy, and Jesus was a real person and is the Son of God.</quote> Your mom is the son of God.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonMaster525 06/26/17 10:52:00 PM #56:	Complete_Idi0t posted... If Jesus was all knowing why didn't he disappear before being crucified Plot hole Jesus wasn't all knowing. He was the embodiment of God with the limitations of man. --- "Impossible is just a word people use to make themselves feel better when they quit" - SoA <cite>DragonMaster525 posted [p:881873226] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>Complete_Idi0t posted...</cite> <quote>If Jesus was all knowing why didn't he disappear before being crucified Plot hole</quote> Jesus wasn't all knowing. He was the embodiment of God with the limitations of man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 06/27/17 5:05:11 PM #57:	What if he just had superpowers or was a mutant or something. Or actually an advanced alien who came for a bit of drama --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:881916502] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote>What if he just had superpowers or was a mutant or something. Or actually an advanced alien who came for a bit of drama</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 06/27/17 5:06:33 PM #58:	VectorChaos posted... Checkmate Jesus Maybe I missed it but where in the Bible does Jesus say he will get rid of all the wicked people --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson i.imgur.com/a2EzoIs.gif i.imgur.com/rPcGRiP.gif <cite>HylianFox posted [p:881916588] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>VectorChaos posted...</cite> <quote> Checkmate Jesus</quote> Maybe I missed it but where in the Bible does Jesus say he will get rid of all the wicked people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paragon21XX 06/27/17 6:15:07 PM #60:	HylianFox posted... VectorChaos posted... Checkmate Jesus Maybe I missed it but where in the Bible does Jesus say he will get rid of all the wicked people Perhaps in the last book of the Bible? But I'm guessing you went "Too long; didn't read! LOL!" before you could get to that part which is the last few chapters. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:881920584] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>HylianFox posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VectorChaos posted...</cite> <quote> Checkmate Jesus</quote> Maybe I missed it but where in the Bible does Jesus say he will get rid of all the wicked people</quote> Perhaps in the last book of the Bible? But I'm guessing you went "Too long; didn't read! LOL!" before you could get to that part which is the last few chapters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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treewojima 06/28/17 9:33:37 AM #62:	I think people make these topics to further their persecution complex <cite>treewojima posted [p:881955138] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote>I think people make these topics to further their persecution complex</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
infinitydev2020 06/28/17 9:39:52 AM #63:	Asherlee10 posted... MaxEffingBemis posted... The extreme immaturity in this topic is cringeworthy To be fair, this sort of topic on CE isn't going to be taken serious. I'm inclined to think it was a bait topic to begin with. Non-Christians often see the ways and means of Christianity as pretty far off-base from reality, so they match it with more ridiculousness. At least that is how I see it. And then you get threads like these...talking about flying spaghetti monsters and memes about Odin. --- "If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe." -Carl Sagan <cite>infinitydev2020 posted [p:881955351] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MaxEffingBemis posted...</cite> <quote>The extreme immaturity in this topic is cringeworthy</quote> To be fair, this sort of topic on CE isn't going to be taken serious. I'm inclined to think it was a bait topic to begin with. Non-Christians often see the ways and means of Christianity as pretty far off-base from reality, so they match it with more ridiculousness. At least that is how I see it.</quote> And then you get threads like these...talking about flying spaghetti monsters and memes about Odin.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ToonLinkWithGun 06/28/17 1:13:03 PM #64:	Or I'm just trying to have a discussion. Geez all kinds of topics on here but God forbid someone mention Jesus Christ. --- Wombo Combo! http://i.imgur.com/fToefC5.jpg <cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted [p:881965921] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote>Or I'm just trying to have a discussion. Geez all kinds of topics on here but God forbid someone mention Jesus Christ.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 06/28/17 4:25:40 PM #66:	BalisticWarri0r posted... People get so triggered by religion. Indeed. Christians and Muslims are so bad about this. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:881977945] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>BalisticWarri0r posted...</cite> <quote>People get so triggered by religion.</quote> Indeed. Christians and Muslims are so bad about this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Marauder64 06/28/17 4:44:02 PM #67:	Miracles are miracles. Imagine being able to tell what a miracle was. --- The code of the elitist: If people like it, it sucks. : Sinix. PSN: Gridmac <cite>Marauder64 posted [p:881979170] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote>Miracles are miracles. Imagine being able to tell what a miracle was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/28/17 4:46:46 PM #68:	ToonLinkWithGun posted... Or I'm just trying to have a discussion. Geez all kinds of topics on here but God forbid someone mention Jesus Christ. I think the problem is that you didn't post "Hey guys, can we talk about Christianity", you posted "Anyone who doesn't believe the same thing as me is stupid!". <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881979322] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Or I'm just trying to have a discussion. Geez all kinds of topics on here but God forbid someone mention Jesus Christ.</quote> I think the problem is that you didn't post "Hey guys, can we talk about Christianity", you posted "Anyone who doesn't believe the same thing as me is stupid!".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ToonLinkWithGun 06/28/17 4:47:34 PM #69:	Dash_Harber posted... ToonLinkWithGun posted... Or I'm just trying to have a discussion. Geez all kinds of topics on here but God forbid someone mention Jesus Christ. I think the problem is that you didn't post "Hey guys, can we talk about Christianity", you posted "Anyone who doesn't believe the same thing as me is stupid!". That's not what I said at all. --- Wombo Combo! http://i.imgur.com/fToefC5.jpg <cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted [p:881979379] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Or I'm just trying to have a discussion. Geez all kinds of topics on here but God forbid someone mention Jesus Christ.</quote> I think the problem is that you didn't post "Hey guys, can we talk about Christianity", you posted "Anyone who doesn't believe the same thing as me is stupid!".</quote> That's not what I said at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EbonTitanium 06/28/17 4:49:12 PM #70:	Jesus never saw himself as half divine. --- I don't know which is worse: fanboys or elitist. <cite>EbonTitanium posted [p:881979506] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote>Jesus never saw himself as half divine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/28/17 4:49:21 PM #71:	ToonLinkWithGun posted... Imagine being a disciple of Jesus, seeing Him do the things he did. And STILL questioning why or how or who he was that could do such things. Just about every time You are implying that the biblical narrative is the correct one. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881979517] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine being a disciple of Jesus, seeing Him do the things he did. And STILL questioning why or how or who he was that could do such things. Just about every time</quote> You are implying that the biblical narrative is the correct one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ToonLinkWithGun 06/28/17 4:50:26 PM #73:	Dash_Harber posted... ToonLinkWithGun posted... Imagine being a disciple of Jesus, seeing Him do the things he did. And STILL questioning why or how or who he was that could do such things. Just about every time You are implying that the biblical narrative is the correct one. I didn't call anybody stupid for not believing what I believe --- Wombo Combo! http://i.imgur.com/fToefC5.jpg <cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted [p:881979596] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine being a disciple of Jesus, seeing Him do the things he did. And STILL questioning why or how or who he was that could do such things. Just about every time</quote> You are implying that the biblical narrative is the correct one.</quote> I didn't call anybody stupid for not believing what I believe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/28/17 4:52:19 PM #74:	ToonLinkWithGun posted... Dash_Harber posted... ToonLinkWithGun posted... Imagine being a disciple of Jesus, seeing Him do the things he did. And STILL questioning why or how or who he was that could do such things. Just about every time You are implying that the biblical narrative is the correct one. I didn't call anybody stupid for not believing what I believe So what do you think of the people that "still question"? What are you implying about them? <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881979725] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine being a disciple of Jesus, seeing Him do the things he did. And STILL questioning why or how or who he was that could do such things. Just about every time</quote> You are implying that the biblical narrative is the correct one.</quote> I didn't call anybody stupid for not believing what I believe</quote> So what do you think of the people that "still question"? What are you implying about them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ToonLinkWithGun 06/28/17 4:57:42 PM #75:	Dash_Harber posted... ToonLinkWithGun posted... Dash_Harber posted... ToonLinkWithGun posted... Imagine being a disciple of Jesus, seeing Him do the things he did. And STILL questioning why or how or who he was that could do such things. Just about every time You are implying that the biblical narrative is the correct one. I didn't call anybody stupid for not believing what I believe So what do you think of the people that "still question"? What are you implying about them? You do realize I'm talking about the 12 disciples from the Bible right? --- Wombo Combo! http://i.imgur.com/fToefC5.jpg <cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted [p:881980107] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine being a disciple of Jesus, seeing Him do the things he did. And STILL questioning why or how or who he was that could do such things. Just about every time</quote> You are implying that the biblical narrative is the correct one.</quote> I didn't call anybody stupid for not believing what I believe</quote> So what do you think of the people that "still question"? What are you implying about them?</quote> You do realize I'm talking about the 12 disciples from the Bible right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/28/17 5:01:17 PM #76:	ToonLinkWithGun posted... Dash_Harber posted... ToonLinkWithGun posted... Dash_Harber posted... ToonLinkWithGun posted... Imagine being a disciple of Jesus, seeing Him do the things he did. And STILL questioning why or how or who he was that could do such things. Just about every time You are implying that the biblical narrative is the correct one. I didn't call anybody stupid for not believing what I believe So what do you think of the people that "still question"? What are you implying about them? You do realize I'm talking about the 12 disciples from the Bible right? Fair enough. Anyway, they lived in a time when magic was absolutely an accepted day to day occurrence. Reports of miracles and divine intervention were a dime a dozen. Just because Jesus said he was the son of God/a version of God, doesn't mean he wasn't lying an actually drawing power from some other source like a pagan God or witchcraft. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881980314] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine being a disciple of Jesus, seeing Him do the things he did. And STILL questioning why or how or who he was that could do such things. Just about every time</quote> You are implying that the biblical narrative is the correct one.</quote> I didn't call anybody stupid for not believing what I believe</quote> So what do you think of the people that "still question"? What are you implying about them?</quote> You do realize I'm talking about the 12 disciples from the Bible right?</quote> Fair enough. Anyway, they lived in a time when magic was absolutely an accepted day to day occurrence. Reports of miracles and divine intervention were a dime a dozen. Just because Jesus said he was the son of God/a version of God, doesn't mean he wasn't lying an actually drawing power from some other source like a pagan God or witchcraft.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ToonLinkWithGun 06/28/17 5:09:51 PM #77:	Jesus did not cast out demons through witchcraft --- Wombo Combo! http://i.imgur.com/fToefC5.jpg <cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted [p:881980804] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote>Jesus did not cast out demons through witchcraft</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/28/17 5:12:20 PM #78:	ToonLinkWithGun posted... Jesus did not cast out demons through witchcraft First of all, I don't think he did that at all. Second, how the hell would his disciples have known that? When you live in a world where you grew up literally believing that a man in a chariot brought the sun into the sky every morning, it's not beyond belief that a powerful witch used their magic to deceive a bunch of men to follow him around and spread the legend that he was a demi-god. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881980964] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Jesus did not cast out demons through witchcraft</quote> First of all, I don't think he did that at all. Second, how the hell would his disciples have known that? When you live in a world where you grew up literally believing that a man in a chariot brought the sun into the sky every morning, it's not beyond belief that a powerful witch used their magic to deceive a bunch of men to follow him around and spread the legend that he was a demi-god.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrenchCrunch 06/28/17 5:13:23 PM #79:	ToonLinkWithGun posted... Jesus did not cast out demons <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:881981044] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Jesus did not cast out demons</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ToonLinkWithGun 06/28/17 5:15:10 PM #80:	FrenchCrunch posted... ToonLinkWithGun posted... Jesus did not cast out demons But he did. That's blasphemy. --- Wombo Combo! http://i.imgur.com/fToefC5.jpg <cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted [p:881981173] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Jesus did not cast out demons</quote></quote> But he did. That's blasphemy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/28/17 5:15:53 PM #81:	If Jesus was the real deal why didn't he try harder to preach to the whole world instead of a tiny region and then dying? Not very efficient <cite>Zikten posted [p:881981226] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote>If Jesus was the real deal why didn't he try harder to preach to the whole world instead of a tiny region and then dying? Not very efficient</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrenchCrunch 06/28/17 5:16:20 PM #82:	ToonLinkWithGun posted... FrenchCrunch posted... ToonLinkWithGun posted... Jesus did not cast out demons But he did. That's blasphemy. demons dont exist <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:881981258] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Jesus did not cast out demons</quote></quote> But he did. That's blasphemy.</quote> demons dont exist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/28/17 5:16:22 PM #83:	ToonLinkWithGun posted... FrenchCrunch posted... ToonLinkWithGun posted... Jesus did not cast out demons But he did. That's blasphemy. Not if you aren't a Christian, like me. Anyway, I still made a point you are ignoring. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881981261] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Jesus did not cast out demons</quote></quote> But he did. That's blasphemy.</quote> Not if you aren't a Christian, like me. Anyway, I still made a point you are ignoring.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sada_Pop 06/28/17 5:20:10 PM #84:	CapnMuffin posted... Apparently Mark had a power level strong enough to sense ki. At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked "Who touched my clothes?" Lol --- People would have you believe that the accusation of racism is more offensive than ACTUAL racism. <cite>Sada_Pop posted [p:881981502] in Imagine be... [t:75503485]...</cite> <quote><cite>CapnMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>Apparently Mark had a power level strong enough to sense ki. At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked "Who touched my clothes?"</quote> Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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