Board 8 > I don't know how people live without cars.

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My car has been in the shop since Thursday, and I've had to rely on my parents to get around, which of course means relying on their schedules. Today I have to wait two hours in the cafeteria for my classes to start, because there was no other time I could be dropped off.

They can't fix my car fast enough.
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Public Transit.
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That's because you've never had to live without one. It's like most things -- life is harder but not impossible without a car. You just get used to certain inconveniences, bring your hobbies with you if there's gonna be a lengthy wait (books, ahoy) and try to focus on the silver lining: more [forced] cardio. :P
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If there's good public transit it's fine. Problem is no place in the US has good public transit
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I do just fine, but I live close to public transport and everything downtown is within easy walking distance.
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Menji posted...

If there's good public transit it's fine. Problem is no place in the US has good public transit

this is just patently untrue
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Driving is one of the best things to do.
I am so glad I live in an era where it is possible to drive.
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yeah, traveling without a car is extremely easy for me.

of course i live in the netherlands though. if public transit is shit i imagine having a car would be more important.
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I live in a city that's infamous for having "terrible" public transit and I almost never use my car.
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My car has been in the shop since Thursday, and I've had to rely on my parents to get around

what

these two thoughts don't even flow into each other for me

god bless working public transport.

I live in Los Angeles, people.

Public transit is a myth brought in by travelers from faraway lands.
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I live in Los Angeles, people.

Public transit is a myth brought in by travelers from faraway lands.

http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2017/data/public-transportation-worst/

I lived here off and on for a cumulative 12 years, all without a car. I relied on this, the worst-ranked metro public transit system. It's difficult but not impossible if there are no viable alternatives.

I'm surprised LA's is so bad, though!
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California in general is considered among the worst for transit.
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Jeff Zero posted...

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I live in Los Angeles, people.

Public transit is a myth brought in by travelers from faraway lands.

http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2017/data/public-transportation-worst/

I lived here off and on for a cumulative 12 years, all without a car. I relied on this, the worst-ranked metro public transit system. It's difficult but not impossible if there are no viable alternatives.

I'm surprised LA's is so bad, though!

Well, it should be noted that I'm staying with my parents because of the lack of a car, and the house they live in is four miles from the nearest bus stop, so I couldn't take a bus even if I wanted to. Though I could take the bus from my apartment, which is a bit more convenient, but then I'd have no way to get around to specific places I need to go that aren't near the bus stop, so it's a bit of a tradeoff.
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specific places I need to go that aren't near the bus stop

these shouldn't exist in a competently made public transport system :|

I got rid of my car for two years and it was easy as hell. In fact, I kinda miss not having a car.
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Jeff Zero posted...

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I live in Los Angeles, people.

Public transit is a myth brought in by travelers from faraway lands.

http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2017/data/public-transportation-worst/

I lived here off and on for a cumulative 12 years, all without a car. I relied on this, the worst-ranked metro public transit system. It's difficult but not impossible if there are no viable alternatives.

I'm surprised LA's is so bad, though!

Well, it should be noted that I'm staying with my parents because of the lack of a car, and the house they live in is four miles from the nearest bus stop, so I couldn't take a bus even if I wanted to. Though I could take the bus from my apartment, which is a bit more convenient, but then I'd have no way to get around to specific places I need to go that aren't near the bus stop, so it's a bit of a tradeoff.

That's not even a half an hour run, come on!
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woodman posted...

That's not even a half an hour run, come on!

No joke, I went to New York City once and had to walk about five miles over the course of a summer day because my friend's friend was showing us around (she lives in NYC), and I was completely spent by the end of it.
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No joke, I went to New York City once and had to walk about five miles over the course of a summer day because my friend's friend was showing us around (she lives in NYC), and I was completely spent by the end of it.

i think this is the problem rather than public transit being bad >_>
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

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No joke, I went to New York City once and had to walk about five miles over the course of a summer day because my friend's friend was showing us around (she lives in NYC), and I was completely spent by the end of it.

i think this is the problem rather than public transit being bad >_>

It can be both! But walking everywhere takes a million times longer than driving.
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I hate driving, I wish public transport was as great as it was in Europe. Thankfully I live near NYC which I go to a decent amount and always take the subway. Sure there's some problems here and there but I like it more than driving.
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But walking everywhere takes a million times longer than driving.

yeah, that's why you walk to the bus stop and let the bus take you you to your destination instead of walking to your destination.

walking 4 miles should be doable if you're not completely out of shape. it's not very convenient, sure, but it shouldn't be impossible.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

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But walking everywhere takes a million times longer than driving.

yeah, that's why you walk to the bus stop and let the bus take you you to your destination instead of walking to your destination.

walking 4 miles should be doable if you're not completely out of shape. it's not very convenient, sure, but it shouldn't be impossible.

Maybe I suck, but walking four miles in 95 degree weather to and from school does not sound appealing to me.
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Maybe I suck, but walking four miles in 95 degree weather to and from school does not sound appealing to me.

ok yeah, in that kind of weather it's pretty rough. with more normal temperatures i'd be fine with it, though.
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yeah its not technically IMPOSSIBLE to get around without a car but it certainly sucks ass in most areas of the us. particularly in the summer in hot places or the winter in cold places. like walking 4 miles isn't a big deal but try walking 4 miles in 120 degree heat in phoenix in the summer. besides it destroying your skin you will be insanely dehydrated and tired no matter how good shape you are in.

I use my car every single day.
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anyway, the moral of the story is that the way people live without a car is by planning their lives around not having a car

just you your life is planned around having a car
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This day and age you can take away ANYTHING and it'll make it harder on us

Cars, phones, internet, air conditioning, running water


Makes you thankful we live in such a comfortable age!
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MajinZidane posted...

I use my car every single day.

Yes this.

SeabassDebeste posted...

anyway, the moral of the story is that the way people live without a car is by planning their lives around not having a car

just you your life is planned around having a car

I guess, but having a car seems way more convenient.
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I guess, but having a car seems way more convenient.

yes because we built our cities and infrastructure around everyone having a car

if we planned more urban cities with robust public transportation rather than suburban sprawl, not having a car wouldn't be a problem

lived in south korea and never drove a car the entire time and getting around was very easy

I'd consider not having a car if I lived in a location that had a train system.

Screw busses though.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

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Maybe I suck, but walking four miles in 95 degree weather to and from school does not sound appealing to me.

ok yeah, in that kind of weather it's pretty rough. with more normal temperatures i'd be fine with it, though.

Who has time to walk eight miles daily?

I live in the suburbs and can't really do without it
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how convenient having a car is also depends on how much you like driving. i don't HATE it but i'm certainly not a fan of it, so public transit all the way for me.

again, if i lived in a place with shit public transit i'd probably prefer driving, but luckily i don't.
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After living in London for three months it amazes me that people DO use cars there.
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As far as the car necessity thing goes


I live In Texas so every thing is spread out

Having a car is a requirement
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I try to avoid using a car whenever possibly because I like public transit. This is less feasible now with kids.
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I am not a fan of public transit, so I greatly prefer using a car, but it depends on where you live how inconvenient it is to live without one, obviously.
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Current city I live the public transit is so good that don't need a car.

When I lived abroad, I learned that needing a car to get anywhere was quite an 'Americanism'. I mean, I kinda knew it's very commonplace in the US, but then going to another country for a few years and experiencing it firsthand put owning and requiring a car to get anywhere into perspective.

I also love driving, but I also loved not needing to drive. Although it helped that Prague has an amazing metro and tram system - cheap, efficient, clean, and always on time. Definitely the best I've ever had to use.
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Walking 8 miles as a daily routine is awful and should never be done unless your job is literally walking.

If it's anything more than 1, some form of transport is preferred. Even a bike.
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If I'm traveling under 3 miles, I actually prefer walking over biking
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It took me a while to find it, but the nearest bus stop to me is 9.7 miles away in the wrong direction of where i need to go and also doesn't go anywhere i need to go.
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Jeff Zero posted...

If I'm traveling under 3 miles, I actually prefer walking over biking

walking is great

according to google fit, i walk an average of 3 miles a day
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I don't know how people live without cars.

You live on the west coast. Many people don't.

I don't even need a car because I take the bus to and from work and can walk to bus stops for other routes a mile away now that I'm in shape. We only have one bus system here and it has extensive coverage.

However, you live in LA. That answers your question. You CAN'T live without a car in LA, because public transit is overpriced and inefficient given the 80 different bus lines, the area is massive, and the culture in general requires it. Where I live, you can live without a car just fine.
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