Board 8 > What Political End of the Spectrum would you put each Marvel MCU character in?

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Left/Liberal
Right/Conservative

Not everyone fits perfectly but just pick a side you think fits best and reason why if debatable.

Captain America
Scarlet Witch
Thor
Vision
Black Panther
Spiderman
Starlord
Drax
Gamora
Rocket
Groot
Winter Soldier
Red Skull
Ironman
Hulk
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Phil Coulson
Nick Fury
Antman
Loki
Thanos
Falcon
War Machine
Quicksilver
Jane Foster
Pepper Potts
Erik Selvig
Luke Cage
Daredevil
Iron Fist
Elektra
Jessica Jones
Doctor Strange
Punisher
Kingpin
Peggy Carter
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While Captain America has some left tendencies... I think he would be a conservative. Valuing religion, less government, the military.

He does not relatively support super weapons however and is okay with skitting the law if he feels it is wrong however.

Thoughts?
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Cap's tough since he values those things, but was also heavily against the registration act, which was basically supposed to represent the Patriot Act
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StealThisSheen posted...

Cap's tough since he values those things, but was also heavily against the registration act, which was basically supposed to represent the Patriot Act

Cap is conservative.

The Patriot Act was NOT.
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Captain America is an Eisenhower conservative.
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Okay so we would lean conservative on cap it seems.

Scarlet Witch. She does not really have much to go on. But, we do know that she was experimented on for becoming a super power. I believe she may have *volunteered* for it.

She opposes the Registration Act with Captain America... almost not seemingly entirely by choice but due to being feared over her mistake and being put on House Arrest.

I am leaning conservative on her also though she is really a bit of a closed book.

Anyone have other insight on her character?
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She did volunteer for the experiment with the hopes of bringing peace to her country and rid it of its enemies. Seems like a nationalist and thus more conservative.
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Okay. I think we agree on Scarlet Witch. Thus, we can toss her and frankly probably her brother into the Conservative pile.

Conservatives:
Captain America
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver

Liberals:



Thor. I think is straight forward Conservative.
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Corrik posted...

Thor. I think is straight forward Conservative.

Honestly Thor I find hard to put anywhere near a political spectrum. He's from an otherworldy monarchy and is also a god
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Cap is weird. He's seems conservative in ideals but liberal when it comes to actual goverment

I think most of the Netflix characters lean liberal except maybe Kingpin
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Iron Man is almost textbook conservative, though I think he progresses away from the far end over time (especially around Iron Man 3)
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Dr. Strange voted for Nixon (according to Strange Tales)
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Johnbobb posted...

Cap is weird. He's seems conservative in ideals but liberal when it comes to actual goverment

I think most of the Netflix characters lean liberal except maybe Kingpin

Luke Cage is liberal. Seems straight up BLM Sanders supporter type.

Jessica Jones... hmmm. I am not so sure about her.

Iron Fist probably liberal. Didn't seem much of a capitalist at all with his CEO decisions.

Daredevil I am not so sure either. Why do you lean liberal there?
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Johnbobb posted...

Corrik posted...

Thor. I think is straight forward Conservative.

Honestly Thor I find hard to put anywhere near a political spectrum. He's from an otherworldy monarchy and is also a god

He seems to do what he feels is needed to be done for his World and those of his allies at all costs. He does not seem eco friendly either. Believes strongly in borders and rights to citizens of said borders.
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Conservatives:
Captain America
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver
Dr. Strange

Liberals:
Luke Cage
Iron Fist
Rocket Racoon
Groot
Daredevil
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Rocket definitely leaning left. Perfectly happy taking stuff from the rich to those that are perhaps less rich and thinks its totally justifiable. I'm sure hes big on the minority thing too.

I'd assume you could just stick Groot with him too.

Corrik posted...

He does not seem eco friendly either.

Disproven in Simonson's run when he resurrects a planet with the Starseed and repopulates one of the realms destroyed by the Midgard Serpent, filling it with plants and animals.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Corrik posted...

He does not seem eco friendly either.

Disproven in Simonson's run when he resurrects a planet with the Starseed and repopulates one of the realms destroyed by the Midgard Serpent, filling it with plants and animals.

MCU
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Corrik posted...

Conservatives:
Captain America
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver

Liberals:
Luke Cage
Iron Fist
Rocket Racoon
Groot

Ignoring actual concrete proof about Dr. Strange voting for Nixon? Not surprised.

Also, Captain America ran for president as an Independent and was classified as a moderate right down the middle at the time.
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Red Skull is a Conservative as evidenced by his associations with HYDRA.
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Really struggling on the Marvel Cinematic Universe thing. = ///
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The Hulk supports conservation as evidenced in Peter David's run, where the Hulk flees into the wilderness for refuge from the military. The Hulk also endorses government spending in the fields of science and education and does not approve of military spending.
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Corrik posted...

Really struggling on the Marvel Cinematic Universe thing. = ///

No one cares about MCU. The characters are all paper thin.

Anyways, Loki is conservative. He is against big government and believes that the government has no right to horde the wealth of the people. However he is socially liberal as he believes that other races deserve equal representation.
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Dr strange did seem conservative in his movie though. Didn't seem.to believe just anyone deserved his help as a doctor. Liberal (voters) tend to believe everyone deserves assistance and no one should come before others.

Conservatives tend to believe you need to work for the right to care and those who pay more for care deserve the best care. More of a capitalist system.
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If you go by the movie, Dr. Strange also supports securing borders and preventing domestic terrorism.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Corrik posted...

Really struggling on the Marvel Cinematic Universe thing. = ///

No one cares about MCU. The characters are all paper thin.

Anyways, Loki is conservative. He is against big government and believes that the government has no right to horde the wealth of the people. However he is socially liberal as he believes that other races deserve equal representation.

Gotta give me Cinematic Universe justifications for things to lock them up (assuming no dissention).
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scarletspeed7 posted...

If you go by the movie, Dr. Strange also supports securing borders and preventing domestic terrorism.

Sounds good.
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well the thing is until Civil War politics have mostly stayed out of the MCU, so that makes it tough to judge

Daredevil - Anti-guns, anti-registration, and his legal firm is all but a charity

Punisher is closer to anarchy than anything; not sure where that puts him
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Should be pretty obvious what I'm referring to in those sentences.
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Johnbobb posted...

well the thing is until Civil War politics have mostly stayed out of the MCU, so that makes it tough to judge

Daredevil - Anti-guns, anti-registration, and his legal firm is all but a charity

Punisher is closer to anarchy than anything; not sure where that puts him

Well, Punisher is definately NRA friendly. Ex-military. Is for law and order... in his own warped way which could be not law and order from.a backend argument.
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(and yes I know Daredevil wasn't on the anti-registration side in the Civil War film, but why wasn't he?! He was already in the MCU at that point and was originally one of the biggest anti-registration heroes in the comic!)
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Johnbobb posted...

well the thing is until Civil War politics have mostly stayed out of the MCU, so that makes it tough to judge

Civil War had no politics.

Captain America: "WAAAAAH BUCKY!"

Iron Man: "We need to hold ourselves accountable for our actions because we do not deserve to operate above the guidelines and laws of the sovereign nations we barge into. We have caused deaths with our unsolicited actions."

Captain America: "ME NO UNDERSTAND YOU. WAAAAH BUCKY!"
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Corrik posted...

Johnbobb posted...

well the thing is until Civil War politics have mostly stayed out of the MCU, so that makes it tough to judge

Daredevil - Anti-guns, anti-registration, and his legal firm is all but a charity

Punisher is closer to anarchy than anything; not sure where that puts him

Well, Punisher is definately NRA friendly. Ex-military. Is for law and order... in his own warped way which could be not law and order from.a backend argument.

Punisher's code of rules means he would murder litterbugs and CEOs alike. Punisher is apolitical and quite honestly is the closest character to a sociopath in Marvel or DC, and that includes the Joker.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Corrik posted...

Johnbobb posted...

well the thing is until Civil War politics have mostly stayed out of the MCU, so that makes it tough to judge

Daredevil - Anti-guns, anti-registration, and his legal firm is all but a charity

Punisher is closer to anarchy than anything; not sure where that puts him

Well, Punisher is definately NRA friendly. Ex-military. Is for law and order... in his own warped way which could be not law and order from.a backend argument.

Punisher's code of rules means he would murder litterbugs and CEOs alike. Punisher is apolitical and quite honestly is the closest character to a sociopath in Marvel or DC, and that includes the Joker.

Well, if he had to be put on one side or the other, which do you think he would go?
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Corrik posted...

Johnbobb posted...

well the thing is until Civil War politics have mostly stayed out of the MCU, so that makes it tough to judge

Daredevil - Anti-guns, anti-registration, and his legal firm is all but a charity

Punisher is closer to anarchy than anything; not sure where that puts him

Well, Punisher is definately NRA friendly. Ex-military. Is for law and order... in his own warped way which could be not law and order from.a backend argument.

He likes guns but I wouldn't consider him NRA friendly, and he doesn't seem to hold military particularly highly

He's for order but only as he defines it and could give a shit what the actual law says, and will actively fight against it if it gets in his way

He's like anti-authority in every way
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Johnbobb posted...

Corrik posted...

Johnbobb posted...

well the thing is until Civil War politics have mostly stayed out of the MCU, so that makes it tough to judge

Daredevil - Anti-guns, anti-registration, and his legal firm is all but a charity

Punisher is closer to anarchy than anything; not sure where that puts him

Well, Punisher is definately NRA friendly. Ex-military. Is for law and order... in his own warped way which could be not law and order from.a backend argument.

He likes guns but I wouldn't consider him NRA friendly, and he doesn't seem to hold military particularly highly

He's for order but only as he defines it and could give a shit what the actual law says, and will actively fight against it if it gets in his way

He's like anti-authority in every way

Pretty true.

Gun to your head... conservative or liberal?
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Iron Man: "We need to hold ourselves accountable for our actions because we do not deserve to operate above the guidelines and laws of the sovereign nations we barge into. We have caused deaths with our unsolicited actions."

I dunno man, that sounds pretty political to me

cap was an idiot in civil war though
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Corrik posted...

Well, if he had to be put on one side or the other, which do you think he would go?

There are a handful of characters that don't fit into either category. You're just gonna have to accept that's the case. Thanos is neither conservative nor liberal. He wants everyone to die. Liberals just want babies to die and conservatives just want the innocent falsely accused of murder to die. Thanos wants everyone to die all the time in the name of Death. So I guess that makes him libertarian.
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Corrik posted...

Johnbobb posted...

Corrik posted...

Johnbobb posted...

well the thing is until Civil War politics have mostly stayed out of the MCU, so that makes it tough to judge

Daredevil - Anti-guns, anti-registration, and his legal firm is all but a charity

Punisher is closer to anarchy than anything; not sure where that puts him

Well, Punisher is definately NRA friendly. Ex-military. Is for law and order... in his own warped way which could be not law and order from.a backend argument.

He likes guns but I wouldn't consider him NRA friendly, and he doesn't seem to hold military particularly highly

He's for order but only as he defines it and could give a shit what the actual law says, and will actively fight against it if it gets in his way

He's like anti-authority in every way

Pretty true.

Gun to your head... conservative or liberal?

This is one I can't choose. He's straight anarchy, and would probably kill anyone that tried to get him to choose a side
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Johnbobb posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Iron Man: "We need to hold ourselves accountable for our actions because we do not deserve to operate above the guidelines and laws of the sovereign nations we barge into. We have caused deaths with our unsolicited actions."

I dunno man, that sounds pretty political to me

cap was an idiot in civil war though

That's my point though. The movie thought it was being political, but only one guy was making an argument that could even be considered political. The other guy just wanted to do what he wanted and had no regard for how that would affect 7 billion other people on Earth who likely live in fear of the day that Captain America reveals he is a HYDRA agent himself since it's not like they're getting clued in on the motivations or purposes behind what would appear to them to be seemingly random assaults on the populace by a rotating cadre of mutants and magicians.
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I think you are dumbing down Captain Americas argument a lot. He made a point. He said are we not going to be allowed to help where needed if told we can't? Who makes these decisions? Etc.
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I think the most interesting would be where exactly everyone lands on the spectrum

CONSERVATIVE
general thunderbolt obey the law or I'll crush you to death ross
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won't choose a side and will kill anyone who tries to make him punisher
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literally a hippie with no understanding of law or business danny rand
LIBERAL
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His argument basically boiled down to.... doing what is right isn't always what someone tells you to do. And the ending of the movie kind of shows Ironman actually proves Captain america right.
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Johnbobb posted...

I think the most interesting would be where exactly everyone lands on the spectrum

CONSERVATIVE
general thunderbolt obey the law or I'll crush you to death ross
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won't choose a side and will kill anyone who tries to make him punisher
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literally a hippie with no understanding of law or business danny rand
LIBERAL

Gotta try and get them all into a side before trying to nitpick how far down the wormhole they go!
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Corrik posted...

I think you are dumbing down Captain Americas argument a lot. He made a point. He said are we not going to be allowed to help where needed if told we can't? Who makes these decisions? Etc.

Cap's motivations were on his sleeve. He didn't care about following mandates before because they didn't get in the way of his personal life. What Cap wanted was to handle a personal matter his own way. What Iron Man and the world wanted was to deal with a brainwashed pawn of a terrorist. Captain America is still just an uneducated slumdog from the 40s with a belief in America, so long as it conforms to his beliefs at that moment. Don't inconvenience me!

If you put this same issue in front of comics Captain America, Civil War would have been a lot shorter. Iron Man isn't even asking for the big registration gamut of the comics' Civil War. Not to mention that Iron Man went power-mad very quickly in an attempt to quash opposing points of view.
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Winter Soldier is soldily conservative imo.
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Corrik posted...

His argument basically boiled down to.... doing what is right isn't always what someone tells you to do. And the ending of the movie kind of shows Ironman actually proves Captain america right.

The end of the movie saw Captain America throwing the spineless dweeb in a sleep chamber because - surprise, surprise - without following Iron Man's guidance (and the rest of the world) and getting Bucky some actual help while keeping him away from the general populace so he couldn't, you know, murder more world leaders, Captain America turned out to be poorly equipped to provide any help to anyone.

Iron Man didn't want to take away Captain America's ability to be a hero. He wanted to prevent him from becoming a villain. We all know now what happens when you let Captain America exist unchecked:

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/126/931/eab.jpg
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Corrik posted...

Winter Soldier is soldily conservative imo.

There's no way of knowing. He hasn't experienced a single shred of modern politics since 1943.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Corrik posted...

His argument basically boiled down to.... doing what is right isn't always what someone tells you to do. And the ending of the movie kind of shows Ironman actually proves Captain america right.

The end of the movie saw Captain America throwing the spineless dweeb in a sleep chamber because - surprise, surprise - without following Iron Man's guidance (and the rest of the world) and getting Bucky some actual help while keeping him away from the general populace so he couldn't, you know, murder more world leaders, Captain America turned out to be poorly equipped to provide any help to anyone.

Iron Man didn't want to take away Captain America's ability to be a hero. He wanted to prevent him from becoming a villain. We all know now what happens when you let Captain America exist unchecked:

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/126/931/eab.jpg

Ironman did what he felt was right and not at the authority of those above him at the end which proves Captain America's side right. That they have to do what they feel is right despite what any body, politicized or not, feels.
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