Current Events > Fat acceptance or fat shaming?

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When I was younger, I would have said fat acceptance. I also loved animals and thought everyone was equal.

Lol. I then grew up.

Sorry if you're fat, but I think fat shaming should be a thing.

Verbal racism doesn't kill. Obesity does. Yet we don't allow the former, only for the latter to thrive and become accepted by the general population?

At my work, I'm constantly shamed for going to the gym all the time and trying to be muscular. I'm a "douchebag".

Yet my manager, who is 1 cheeseburger away from a fatal heart attack, is protected and cherished. I order 6 eggs at the breakfast diner, and get made fun of. My manager orders 2 and a half plates of food, and not a peep.

And all these girls who are upset they weight 300 lbs and don't get guys... biology. Biology is a thing. Attractive animals get a mate. We are hardwired to care about looks. Sorry if this hurts people's feeling, but ugly people are biologically worth less. It's science.

Okay, I should stop there. Thoughts?
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How about we don't shame people and instead promote a healthy lifestyle for everyone to lose weight and be their best instead of pretending like obesity should be celebrated?

clearaflagrantj posted...

How about we don't shame people and instead promote a healthy lifestyle for everyone to lose weight and be their best instead of pretending like obesity should be celebrated?

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I'll just internally laugh like I always did. Not my fault they want to put a delicious gun to their head.
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Fat Burger.
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Fuck fat people

clearaflagrantj posted...

How about we don't shame people and instead promote a healthy lifestyle for everyone to lose weight and be their best instead of pretending like obesity should be celebrated?

Because you have fat fucks with their HAES bullshit
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clearaflagrantj posted...

How about we don't shame people and instead promote a healthy lifestyle for everyone to lose weight and be their best instead of pretending like obesity should be celebrated?

That's the ideal. I guess I went with the two extremes.
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You're assuming that every person who feels bad or is ridiculed for being fat is going to be inspired to change him/herself and lose weight. That could happen...

...but it's just as likely that said person will choose to eat away their pain and lack of self-worth, causing them to gain more weight.

I personally don't like to judge people.. of any shape or size etc.. I'm kind of overweight myself and personally don't think it's wise to bully people... it won't help them change, and it makes you look like an asshole. Nobody wins that way... I think it's good to help people but just not that way..

King Rial posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

How about we don't shame people and instead promote a healthy lifestyle for everyone to lose weight and be their best instead of pretending like obesity should be celebrated?

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Neither. We shouldn't accept fat as okay but we have no reason to shame fat people either
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shaming isn't good, but neither is acceptance.

acceptance is a bad thing. it makes fat people feel like they shouldn't try to improve themselves.
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King Rial posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

How about we don't shame people and instead promote a healthy lifestyle for everyone to lose weight and be their best instead of pretending like obesity should be celebrated?

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Fat acceptance has a tendency to go too far, in which people try to push the "fat agenda" by making fat the new normal or the new beautiful. But shaming people for their bodies is not okay either.

Lol fat 'acceptance'
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my question is, when the best country in the world has a population that is 66+% obese or overweight, why do we need a fat acceptance movement at all? we have to accept it regardless
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How about somewhere in the middle

I do not accept the premise on which this question is based.

I'm pro free speech so if shitty people want to mock anybody on the internet for any reason they are basically able to do so, but I'd have some reservations if they took pictures of those people without permission.

That said shame is not a remedy in any way for obesity problems, generally there is an underlying mental health issue that leads to it how it is.

None of this goes to the conclusion that "being fat is just as good as being not fat, health wise" so "fat acceptance" doesn't really represent a fair choice either because usually there is such an implication being made.

Your question and thinking ignores too much to really engage with as stated.
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sorry, over 70: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm

actually this gets down to the problem I have with this fat acceptance idea, which is that it caters to the lowest common denominator -- there are obese people who shame and/or scorn normally overweight people for not being fat enough but still trying to "coopt" the movement.

which, you know, is obviously moving the goal posts. you're a public health problem either way.

btw that includes me, I'm overweight and borderline obese. please stop me.
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Balrog0 posted...

my question is, when the best country in the world has a population that is 66+% obese or overweight, why do we need a fat acceptance movement at all? we have to accept it regardless

I think it's more that some people get together and say "I don't deserve to be made to feel like a shitty person just because I'm fat" and most sane people go "yeah, I'm on board with that" but then that can snowball into "and also fat people are just as sexy and healthy" which a sane person would go "hang on now."

As far as shame for negative action goes a fat person does, even in current society, get a very bad deal. If you chronically overeat that is a bad thing, but that isn't as bad as somebody who cheats on their partner or drinks to excess but such people don't go around carrying a physical signifier of that so they get treated just as good as a normal decent person.
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Balrog0 posted...

sorry, over 70: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm

actually this gets down to the problem I have with this fat acceptance idea, which is that it caters to the lowest common denominator -- there are obese people who shame and/or scorn normally overweight people for not being fat enough but still trying to "coopt" the movement.

which, you know, is obviously moving the goal posts. you're a public health problem either way.

btw that includes me, I'm overweight and borderline obese. please stop me.

It's mostly an identity politics problem.

Fat people not wanting to be treated like shit is reasonable, but actually banning free speech discussion, even if such discussion is fat shaming is dumb.
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joe40001 posted...

I think it's more that some people get together and say "I don't deserve to be made to feel like a shitty person just because I'm fat" and most sane people go "yeah, I'm on board with that" but then that can snowball into "and also fat people are just as sexy and healthy" which a sane person would go "hang on now."

yeah I can feel that, I definitely lean more towards the former than the latter

joe40001 posted...

As far as shame for negative action goes a fat person does, even in current society, get a very bad deal. If you chronically overeat that is a bad thing, but that isn't as bad as somebody who cheats on their partner or drinks to excess but such people don't go around carrying a physical signifier of that so they get treated just as good as a normal decent person.

is there an equivalent short acceptance movement? I feel like short men get a worse deal than fat women, but Im a short guy so Im obviously biased.

I also hate that usually this only gets discussed in MRA and/or redpill communities
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joe40001 posted...

Fat people not wanting to be treated like shit is reasonable, but actually banning free speech discussion, even if such discussion is fat shaming is dumb.

You gotta take their fee fees into consideration

I think fat people are scared to admit that it's literally calories in calories out and they're too lazy/ignorant to simply eat less.

Fat shaming worked amazingly well for thousands of years. Its only the last 40 years where fat shaming was looked down on that all the lazy greedy people have turned into fat whales.
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joe40001 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

sorry, over 70: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm

actually this gets down to the problem I have with this fat acceptance idea, which is that it caters to the lowest common denominator -- there are obese people who shame and/or scorn normally overweight people for not being fat enough but still trying to "coopt" the movement.

which, you know, is obviously moving the goal posts. you're a public health problem either way.

btw that includes me, I'm overweight and borderline obese. please stop me.

It's mostly an identity politics problem.

Fat people not wanting to be treated like shit is reasonable, but actually banning free speech discussion, even if such discussion is fat shaming is dumb.

Not to mention how ultimately ridiculous fat 'shaming' really is, especially when idiots compare it to actual issues such as racism.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

I think fat people are scared to admit that it's literally calories in calories out and they're too lazy/ignorant to simply eat less.

well I've admitted I'm fat so I'm obviously biased

I used to be even fatter, though, then I got real into wieght lifting and got a six pack, and then I got fat again

as someone who has had this life path, I feel CICO is basically worthless for anyone who isn't a single young person who has no real responsbilities

I mean its technically true but people are very bad at counting cals and food is a very social thing in our culture so just preaching this is not going to fix the problem
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ColdOne666 posted...

Fat shaming worked amazingly well for thousands of years.

human beings being poor and having to scrabble away the majority of their day just to eat is what worked for millions of years, not thousands
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fat shaming

being fat is literally degrading to your own health
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I swear I remember reading a study that shaming is one of the best ways to establish social norms. Gonna see if I can find it.
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ColdOne666 posted...

Fat shaming worked amazingly well for thousands of years.

No, having to work in a farm all day every day of your life or you'd starve was what kept people thin
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clearaflagrantj posted...

I think fat people are scared to admit that it's literally calories in calories out and they're too lazy/ignorant to simply eat less.

Overeating is like any other behavioral problem a person can have, it's fairly simple to solve in theory but to actually solve it in practice has to overcome mental health issues that feed into it.

Fat shaming is like alcohol shaming. Which some people do. Again, I'm for free speech, but being obese is pretty similar to most behavioral problems that the people doing the shaming often have, the only major difference is that obesity is something you have to announce to the world, whereas many much worse behavioral traits can go unknown in a person and so that person is not shamed.

Also shaming isn't a good social tool, it reinforces depression which can be a driving force in overeating.
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Balrog0 posted...

ColdOne666 posted...

Fat shaming worked amazingly well for thousands of years.

human beings being poor and having to scrabble away the majority of their day just to eat is what worked for millions of years, not thousands

I like how fat people change the theory from: eating too much is how people get fatter to not eating enough (because of poverty) is how people have stayed slim/fit for all these years. Being fat is literally making you delusional. I couldn't imagine living like this.
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faizan_faizan posted...

Balrog0 posted...

ColdOne666 posted...

Fat shaming worked amazingly well for thousands of years.

human beings being poor and having to scrabble away the majority of their day just to eat is what worked for millions of years, not thousands

I like how fat people change the theory from: eating too much is how people get fatter to not eating enough (because of poverty) is how people have stayed slim/fit for all these years. Being fat is literally making you delusional. I couldn't imagine living like this.

You just said two statements that don't go against each other as if they did go against each other.
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I would say a helpful shame.

It's kinda like smoking, you can't hate someone for it. Most people have a thing.
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faizan_faizan posted...

I like how fat people change the theory from: eating too much is how people get fatter to not eating enough (because of poverty) is how people have stayed slim/fit for all these years. Being fat is literally making you delusional. I couldn't imagine living like this.

are you seriously stupid enough that you're comparing poverty from 5000 BC to poverty in 2000 AD?

I think your muscles are eating your brain and making you stupid.
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Going out of your way to be a dick to someone for being fat is...well, a dick thing to do. But, bitching about a "Beach Body" poster because the model is thin is too far in that direction. You shouldn't ignore science and the unhealthy nature of being obese.
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Not labeling works for me.
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Didn't read the topic.
We shouldn't do either. It should be taught the facts of being fat, that it's bad for you and unhealthy, and health and well being should be prioritized.
You shouldn't treat someone like a disgusting piece of shit for being fat and you shouldn't be all "big is beautiful/this is what a real woman looks like/there's nothing wrong with being this fat" either.
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Gamer99z posted...

Didn't read the topic.
We shouldn't do either. It should be taught the facts of being fat, that it's bad for you and unhealthy, and health and well being should be prioritized.
You shouldn't treat someone like a disgusting piece of shit for being fat and you shouldn't be all "big is beautiful/this is what a real woman looks like/there's nothing wrong with being this fat" either.

This guy gets it.
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Balrog0 posted...

ColdOne666 posted...

Fat shaming worked amazingly well for thousands of years.

human beings being poor and having to scrabble away the majority of their day just to eat is what worked for millions of years, not thousands

chill02 posted...

ColdOne666 posted...

Fat shaming worked amazingly well for thousands of years.

No, having to work in a farm all day every day of your life or you'd starve was what kept people thin

Nope. Asia has become super rich and everybody is still a healthy body weight because they embrace fat shaming. Stop making up excuses for fatties.
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I sort of agree when it's not a physical problem making them fat..

But then I remember Chris Farley and John Candy... I don't want those types to be completely gone.

How about only hilarious people get to be fat from now on? And also let's make it a rule that only fat guys get to wear Hawaiian shirts.

ColdOne666 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

ColdOne666 posted...

Fat shaming worked amazingly well for thousands of years.

human beings being poor and having to scrabble away the majority of their day just to eat is what worked for millions of years, not thousands

chill02 posted...

ColdOne666 posted...

Fat shaming worked amazingly well for thousands of years.

No, having to work in a farm all day every day of your life or you'd starve was what kept people thin

Nope. Asia has become super rich and everybody is still a healthy body weight because they embrace fat shaming. Stop making up excuses for fatties.

Right, famine and poverty haven't been a problem in Asian countries for thousands of years
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Unless the fat/obese person brings it up, I don't even talk about it because I don't give a fuck.
It's your body and you can do whatever you want with it.

But I do hate those whales, especially women that cry for acceptation attention. Those people should be shamed.

Neither. Why does this need to be a binary thing?

It should be pretty straight forward: don't bully people, don't pretend obesity is fine.
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I say ignore them but I have no problem telling some land whale whining about being ostracized that they're a fatass and need to realize it.

Basically don't start a fight you don't want to finish.
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Treat it the same way we treat cigarette smokers.
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Ignore it but promote healthy lifestyles. Make physical education a 4 year credit in school. People need encouragement. Shaming people makes the majority depressed and either leads to overeating or undereating disorders. Fat acceptance is a stupid, horrible idea and should never be promoted.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

How about we don't shame people and instead promote a healthy lifestyle for everyone to lose weight and be their best instead of pretending like obesity should be celebrated?

Exactly.
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The Admiral posted...

Treat it the same way we treat cigarette smokers.

Its not terrifying when several smokers get in an elevator with you.