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Antifar 07/01/17 10:53:38 AM #1:	https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/06/28/pope-francis-labor-unions-are-essential-society Labor unions that protect and defend the dignity of work and the rights of workers continue to have an essential role in society, especially in promoting inclusion, Pope Francis said. "There is no good society without a good union, and there is no good union that isn't reborn every day in the peripheries, that doesn't transform the rejected stones of the economy into corner stones," the pope said on June 28 during an audience with Italian union leaders. "There is no justice together if it isn't together with today's excluded ones," he told members of the Italian Confederation of Union Workers. Unions, he said, risk losing their "prophetic nature" when they mimic the very institutions they are called to challenge, he said. "Unions over time have ended up resembling politicians too much, or rather political parties, their language, their style." Labor unions must guard and protect workers, but also defend the rights of those "outside the walls," particularly those who are retired and the excluded who are "also excluded from rights and democracy." Pope Francis denounced situations in which children are forced to work rather than being allowed to study, which is the "only good 'job' for children." Turning to one of his frequently voiced concerns, the pope told the union leaders that a society that leaves young men and women without jobs is "foolish and shortsighted." "When young people are outside the world of work, businesses lack energy, enthusiasm, innovation and the joy of living which are precious common goods that a make a better economic life and public happiness," he said. The pope's speech kicked off the union's national conference on the theme: "For the person, for work." Reflecting on the conference theme, the pope said that work without respect for the person "becomes something inhuman," while a person without work is incomplete. God bless --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:882144955] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/06/28/pope-francis-labor-unions-are-essential-society <quote>Labor unions that protect and defend the dignity of work and the rights of workers continue to have an essential role in society, especially in promoting inclusion, Pope Francis said. "There is no good society without a good union, and there is no good union that isn't reborn every day in the peripheries, that doesn't transform the rejected stones of the economy into corner stones," the pope said on June 28 during an audience with Italian union leaders. "There is no justice together if it isn't together with today's excluded ones," he told members of the Italian Confederation of Union Workers. Unions, he said, risk losing their "prophetic nature" when they mimic the very institutions they are called to challenge, he said. "Unions over time have ended up resembling politicians too much, or rather political parties, their language, their style." Labor unions must guard and protect workers, but also defend the rights of those "outside the walls," particularly those who are retired and the excluded who are "also excluded from rights and democracy." Pope Francis denounced situations in which children are forced to work rather than being allowed to study, which is the "only good 'job' for children." Turning to one of his frequently voiced concerns, the pope told the union leaders that a society that leaves young men and women without jobs is "foolish and shortsighted." "When young people are outside the world of work, businesses lack energy, enthusiasm, innovation and the joy of living which are precious common goods that a make a better economic life and public happiness," he said. The pope's speech kicked off the union's national conference on the theme: "For the person, for work." Reflecting on the conference theme, the pope said that work without respect for the person "becomes something inhuman," while a person without work is incomplete.</quote> God bless</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 07/01/17 10:55:43 AM #2:	Well yeah of course they are They give some kind of power to workers who can negotiate together instead of negotiating one on one in a situation where they hold zero power --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:882145049] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>Well yeah of course they are They give some kind of power to workers who can negotiate together instead of negotiating one on one in a situation where they hold zero power</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bluebomber182 07/01/17 10:57:21 AM #3:	francis is goat pope --- WWE Champ The Maharaja Jinder Mahal YOU CAN'T HINDER THE JINDER!!!!! <cite>Bluebomber182 posted [p:882145112] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>francis is goat pope</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZombiePelican 07/01/17 10:59:43 AM #4:	Anyone who's against unions needs to realize that things like overtime pay, child laborlaws, and days off are literally ALL thanks to labor unions. By going against unions you go against your own self interests --- http://i.imgur.com/J1Fi0Cw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MCC79Ov.jpg http://i.imgur.com/iEMaJl1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/grqvrr9.png <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:882145200] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>Anyone who's against unions needs to realize that things like overtime pay, child laborlaws, and days off are literally ALL thanks to labor unions. By going against unions you go against your own self interests</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 07/01/17 11:40:25 AM #5:	Classic lefty. Appeal to the pope when he says something you like, attack his church in every other area. Don't act like you care what the pope says. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:882146695] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>Classic lefty. Appeal to the pope when he says something you like, attack his church in every other area. Don't act like you care what the pope says.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 07/01/17 11:44:11 AM #6:	Unions are great in theory but many are abused to hell and back. They should be there to protect wages, not laziness. --- Oda break tracker 2017- 5 (2) Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:882146861] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>Unions are great in theory but many are abused to hell and back. They should be there to protect wages, not laziness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
E32005 07/01/17 11:45:33 AM #7:	Unions would be unnecessary if employers treated their employees fairly. --- http://i.imgur.com/LAvnefi.gif http://i.imgur.com/6kW9fXL.gif <cite>E32005 posted [p:882146910] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>Unions would be unnecessary if employers treated their employees fairly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/01/17 11:46:14 AM #8:	I think they are but bloated, bureaucratic unions aren't --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:882146941] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>I think they are but bloated, bureaucratic unions aren't</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/01/17 12:26:20 PM #9:	E32005 posted... Unions would be unnecessary if employers treated their employees fairly. Unions are necessary to make employers treat their employees fairly. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:882148533] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>E32005 posted...</cite> <quote>Unions would be unnecessary if employers treated their employees fairly.</quote> Unions are necessary to make employers treat their employees fairly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fan357 07/01/17 12:29:14 PM #10:	Unions aren't perfect but it's basically the only thing the common man has to protect them from the people that have all the money and power. --- Everything will be alright. <cite>fan357 posted [p:882148668] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>Unions aren't perfect but it's basically the only thing the common man has to protect them from the people that have all the money and power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
E32005 07/01/17 12:30:12 PM #11:	Antifar posted... E32005 posted... Unions would be unnecessary if employers treated their employees fairly. Unions are necessary to make employers treat their employees fairly. its a vicious cycle --- http://i.imgur.com/LAvnefi.gif http://i.imgur.com/6kW9fXL.gif <cite>E32005 posted [p:882148702] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>E32005 posted...</cite> <quote>Unions would be unnecessary if employers treated their employees fairly.</quote> Unions are necessary to make employers treat their employees fairly.</quote> its a vicious cycle</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaverickXeo 07/01/17 12:41:55 PM #12:	voldothegr8 posted... Unions are great in theory but many are abused to hell and back. They should be there to protect wages, not laziness. Exactly. Unions were very much needed back in the early days of industrialization; now they are not needed. ZombiePelican posted... Anyone who's against unions needs to realize that things like overtime pay, child laborlaws, and days off are literally ALL thanks to labor unions. By going against unions you go against your own self interests At first; but now we have labour laws in place that work better and more efficiently than unions. I've only worked several jobs in my life; and the union-based jobs were some of the most inefficient workplaces ever that only promoted laziness and give select people control over a vast majority. No matter what people think; union heads tend to only look out for themselves. --- --- MaverickXeo --- <cite>MaverickXeo posted [p:882149223] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Unions are great in theory but many are abused to hell and back. They should be there to protect wages, not laziness.</quote> Exactly. Unions were very much needed back in the early days of industrialization; now they are not needed. <cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>Anyone who's against unions needs to realize that things like overtime pay, child laborlaws, and days off are literally ALL thanks to labor unions. By going against unions you go against your own self interests</quote> At first; but now we have labour laws in place that work better and more efficiently than unions. I've only worked several jobs in my life; and the union-based jobs were some of the most inefficient workplaces ever that only promoted laziness and give select people control over a vast majority. No matter what people think; union heads tend to only look out for themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/01/17 12:45:42 PM #13:	I disagree, they are definitely still needed. Workers don't have it as bad as they did in the 1800s, and that is definitely thanks to what unions have accomplished in the past, but nowadays there is a whole line of people waiting for your job. Your boss could fire you today and not be affected at all, even though you obviously would be. Someone needs to protect against that and other unfair treatment of employees. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:882149398] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>I disagree, they are definitely still needed. Workers don't have it as bad as they did in the 1800s, and that is definitely thanks to what unions have accomplished in the past, but nowadays there is a whole line of people waiting for your job. Your boss could fire you today and not be affected at all, even though you obviously would be. Someone needs to protect against that and other unfair treatment of employees.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 07/01/17 12:49:35 PM #14:	If we're talking pre-WW2 unions then sure. If we are talking unions in 2017 that are little more than a political action group for the democrat party then nope. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:882149556] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>If we're talking pre-WW2 unions then sure. If we are talking unions in 2017 that are little more than a political action group for the democrat party then nope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/01/17 12:55:25 PM #15:	Why don't conservatives start their own labor unions? --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:882149838] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>Why don't conservatives start their own labor unions?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 07/01/17 12:59:40 PM #16:	Callixtus posted... Classic lefty. Appeal to the pope when he says something you like, attack his church in every other area. Don't act like you care what the pope says. Grrrrrrrrr! How dare those dirty left people agree and disagree with ideas instead of people! You either agree with everything I say or nothing I say, there's no middle ground! --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:882150013] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Classic lefty. Appeal to the pope when he says something you like, attack his church in every other area. Don't act like you care what the pope says.</quote> Grrrrrrrrr! How dare those dirty left people agree and disagree with ideas instead of people! You either agree with everything I say or nothing I say, there's no middle ground!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 07/01/17 1:02:14 PM #17:	The Deadpool posted... Callixtus posted... Classic lefty. Appeal to the pope when he says something you like, attack his church in every other area. Don't act like you care what the pope says. Grrrrrrrrr! How dare those dirty left people agree and disagree with ideas instead of people! You either agree with everything I say or nothing I say, there's no middle ground! This is a pretty dumb post given the general feelings of religion on CE. It's nothing more than using his words to try to further an agenda. Don't pretend it isn't. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:882150128] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Classic lefty. Appeal to the pope when he says something you like, attack his church in every other area. Don't act like you care what the pope says.</quote> Grrrrrrrrr! How dare those dirty left people agree and disagree with ideas instead of people! You either agree with everything I say or nothing I say, there's no middle ground!</quote> This is a pretty dumb post given the general feelings of religion on CE. It's nothing more than using his words to try to further an agenda. Don't pretend it isn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 07/01/17 1:05:39 PM #18:	Modern day unions are as bad as the mafia. Don't wanna join the union? You'd rather negotiate terms with your employer yourself? You might just come home one day to find your dog killed or your house smashed up as a reminder to not "rock the boat". --- "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:882150298] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>Modern day unions are as bad as the mafia. Don't wanna join the union? You'd rather negotiate terms with your employer yourself? You might just come home one day to find your dog killed or your house smashed up as a reminder to not "rock the boat".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 07/01/17 1:06:10 PM #19:	Gojak_v3 posted... This is a pretty dumb post given the general feelings of religion on CE. What the fuck does my feelings on religion have to do with my feelings on labor laws? Why would disagreeing with Pope Francis on what happens after I die force me to disagree with Pope Francis on anything else? If the most disagreeable person on the planet says the sky is blue, am I supposed to disagree? --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:882150321] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>This is a pretty dumb post given the general feelings of religion on CE.</quote> What the fuck does my feelings on religion have to do with my feelings on labor laws? Why would disagreeing with Pope Francis on what happens after I die force me to disagree with Pope Francis on anything else? If the most disagreeable person on the planet says the sky is blue, am I supposed to disagree?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 07/01/17 1:08:40 PM #20:	The Deadpool posted... Gojak_v3 posted... This is a pretty dumb post given the general feelings of religion on CE. What the fuck does my feelings on religion have to do with my feelings on labor laws? Why would disagreeing with Pope Francis on what happens after I die force me to disagree with Pope Francis on anything else? If the most disagreeable person on the planet says the sky is blue, am I supposed to disagree? I didn't say you should disagree with him. I'm saying it's a transparent attempt to further an agenda. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:882150450] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>This is a pretty dumb post given the general feelings of religion on CE.</quote> What the fuck does my feelings on religion have to do with my feelings on labor laws? Why would disagreeing with Pope Francis on what happens after I die force me to disagree with Pope Francis on anything else? If the most disagreeable person on the planet says the sky is blue, am I supposed to disagree?</quote> I didn't say you should disagree with him. I'm saying it's a transparent attempt to further an agenda.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/01/17 1:10:05 PM #21:	Unions, he said, risk losing their "prophetic nature" when they mimic the very institutions they are called to challenge, he said. "Unions over time have ended up resembling politicians too much, or rather political parties, their language, their style." Why does it take the freakin pope to say that, before anyone pays attention? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:882150533] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><quote>Unions, he said, risk losing their "prophetic nature" when they mimic the very institutions they are called to challenge, he said. "Unions over time have ended up resembling politicians too much, or rather political parties, their language, their style."</quote> Why does it take the freakin pope to say that, before anyone pays attention?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 07/01/17 1:17:44 PM #22:	Gojak_v3 posted... I didn't say you should disagree with him. I'm saying it's a transparent attempt to further an agenda. Wait, you think the OP was trying to secretively agree with the Pope? And you're just the genius detective who figured it out? --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:882150887] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't say you should disagree with him. I'm saying it's a transparent attempt to further an agenda.</quote> Wait, you think the OP was trying to secretively agree with the Pope? And you're just the genius detective who figured it out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaverickXeo 07/01/17 4:02:27 PM #23:	Damn_Underscore posted... I disagree, they are definitely still needed. Workers don't have it as bad as they did in the 1800s, and that is definitely thanks to what unions have accomplished in the past, but nowadays there is a whole line of people waiting for your job. Your boss could fire you today and not be affected at all, even though you obviously would be. Someone needs to protect against that and other unfair treatment of employees. But there are labour laws in place... Aside from that, if we protect people who should be fired, we are losing as a society. We have too many people who are just 'killing time' at work. Unions also do promote bullying. If you are not part of a union, you are 'bullied' until you are. If you want to disagree on union policies, there is no room for discussion. --- --- MaverickXeo --- <cite>MaverickXeo posted [p:882158441] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>I disagree, they are definitely still needed. Workers don't have it as bad as they did in the 1800s, and that is definitely thanks to what unions have accomplished in the past, but nowadays there is a whole line of people waiting for your job. Your boss could fire you today and not be affected at all, even though you obviously would be. Someone needs to protect against that and other unfair treatment of employees.</quote> But there are labour laws in place... Aside from that, if we protect people who should be fired, we are losing as a society. We have too many people who are just 'killing time' at work. Unions also do promote bullying. If you are not part of a union, you are 'bullied' until you are. If you want to disagree on union policies, there is no room for discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ehhwhatever 07/01/17 4:06:05 PM #25:	Pope is authorizing the mixture of family and scripture. I just visited a Chruch and it was nothing but women and young girls. --- Let it Be. <cite>ehhwhatever posted [p:882158630] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>Pope is authorizing the mixture of family and scripture. I just visited a Chruch and it was nothing but women and young girls.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 07/02/17 12:35:29 AM #26:	The Deadpool posted... Gojak_v3 posted... I didn't say you should disagree with him. I'm saying it's a transparent attempt to further an agenda. Wait, you think the OP was trying to secretively agree with the Pope? And you're just the genius detective who figured it out? The OP doesnt give a shit about what the pope has to say 99% of the time. But the TC is more than willing to ignore the fact that the pope's views on labor issues stems from the same religious worldview that lefty types seek to eradicate any time they get the chance. Appealing to the pope is self-serving because he is actually a vehement enemy of everything the pope believes in. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:882182863] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't say you should disagree with him. I'm saying it's a transparent attempt to further an agenda.</quote> Wait, you think the OP was trying to secretively agree with the Pope? And you're just the genius detective who figured it out?</quote> The OP doesnt give a shit about what the pope has to say 99% of the time. But the TC is more than willing to ignore the fact that the pope's views on labor issues stems from the same religious worldview that lefty types seek to eradicate any time they get the chance. Appealing to the pope is self-serving because he is actually a vehement enemy of everything the pope believes in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Deadpool 07/02/17 1:33:40 AM #28:	Callixtus posted... The Deadpool posted... Gojak_v3 posted... I didn't say you should disagree with him. I'm saying it's a transparent attempt to further an agenda. Wait, you think the OP was trying to secretively agree with the Pope? And you're just the genius detective who figured it out? The OP doesnt give a shit about what the pope has to say 99% of the time. But the TC is more than willing to ignore the fact that the pope's views on labor issues stems from the same religious worldview that lefty types seek to eradicate any time they get the chance. Appealing to the pope is self-serving because he is actually a vehement enemy of everything the pope believes in. Let me go back in time for you: Grrrrrrrrr! How dare those dirty left people agree and disagree with ideas instead of people! You either agree with everything I say or nothing I say, there's no middle ground! --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:882185253] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't say you should disagree with him. I'm saying it's a transparent attempt to further an agenda.</quote> Wait, you think the OP was trying to secretively agree with the Pope? And you're just the genius detective who figured it out?</quote> The OP doesnt give a shit about what the pope has to say 99% of the time. But the TC is more than willing to ignore the fact that the pope's views on labor issues stems from the same religious worldview that lefty types seek to eradicate any time they get the chance. Appealing to the pope is self-serving because he is actually a vehement enemy of everything the pope believes in.</quote> Let me go back in time for you: Grrrrrrrrr! How dare those dirty left people agree and disagree with ideas instead of people! You either agree with everything I say or nothing I say, there's no middle ground!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/02/17 1:41:58 AM #29:	If you're a Christian and you think God is a socialist, can you explain why we even have free will? <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:882185542] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>If you're a Christian and you think God is a socialist, can you explain why we even have free will?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EternalDivide 07/02/17 1:44:39 AM #30:	voldothegr8 posted... Unions are great in theory but many are abused to hell and back. They should be there to protect wages, not laziness. This. --- FFVII Remake: A disaster in the making. I'll laugh at whatever I find funny whether you like it or not. <cite>EternalDivide posted [p:882185631] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Unions are great in theory but many are abused to hell and back. They should be there to protect wages, not laziness.</quote> This.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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fan357 07/02/17 1:49:03 AM #32:	MaverickXeo posted... Damn_Underscore posted... I disagree, they are definitely still needed. Workers don't have it as bad as they did in the 1800s, and that is definitely thanks to what unions have accomplished in the past, but nowadays there is a whole line of people waiting for your job. Your boss could fire you today and not be affected at all, even though you obviously would be. Someone needs to protect against that and other unfair treatment of employees. But there are labour laws in place... Aside from that, if we protect people who should be fired, we are losing as a society. We have too many people who are just 'killing time' at work. Unions also do promote bullying. If you are not part of a union, you are 'bullied' until you are. If you want to disagree on union policies, there is no room for discussion. As an active UAW member I can tell you this doesn't happen at our local. I'm not saying it never happens. There will be some bad eggs no matter where you are. Employers abuse people far too often and with the government not even pretending they aren't bought out by corporations unions are still needed. --- Everything will be alright. <cite>fan357 posted [p:882185772] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>MaverickXeo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>I disagree, they are definitely still needed. Workers don't have it as bad as they did in the 1800s, and that is definitely thanks to what unions have accomplished in the past, but nowadays there is a whole line of people waiting for your job. Your boss could fire you today and not be affected at all, even though you obviously would be. Someone needs to protect against that and other unfair treatment of employees.</quote> But there are labour laws in place... Aside from that, if we protect people who should be fired, we are losing as a society. We have too many people who are just 'killing time' at work. Unions also do promote bullying. If you are not part of a union, you are 'bullied' until you are. If you want to disagree on union policies, there is no room for discussion.</quote> As an active UAW member I can tell you this doesn't happen at our local. I'm not saying it never happens. There will be some bad eggs no matter where you are. Employers abuse people far too often and with the government not even pretending they aren't bought out by corporations unions are still needed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/02/17 1:51:16 AM #33:	shockthemonkey posted... tennisdude818 posted... If you're a Christian and you think God is a socialist, can you explain why we even have free will? What? If God wants the government to force "virtue" through the barrel of a gun, why didn't God just force it himself and skip the middleman? <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:882185850] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>If you're a Christian and you think God is a socialist, can you explain why we even have free will?</quote> What?</quote> If God wants the government to force "virtue" through the barrel of a gun, why didn't God just force it himself and skip the middleman?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SGT_Conti 07/02/17 1:52:44 AM #34:	Is the Christian Labour Association of Canada the union everyone should aspire to --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>SGT_Conti posted [p:882185910] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>Is the Christian Labour Association of Canada the union everyone should aspire to</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 07/02/17 1:55:02 AM #35:	tennisdude818 posted... shockthemonkey posted... tennisdude818 posted... If you're a Christian and you think God is a socialist, can you explain why we even have free will? What? If God wants the government to force "virtue" through the barrel of a gun, why didn't God just force it himself and skip the middleman? Because God being a socialist and giving us free will means he can't force us to all act socialist. Of course greedy people who hoard their wealth will likely end up face punishment in the afterlife. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:882185981] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>If you're a Christian and you think God is a socialist, can you explain why we even have free will?</quote> What?</quote> If God wants the government to force "virtue" through the barrel of a gun, why didn't God just force it himself and skip the middleman?</quote> Because God being a socialist and giving us free will means he can't force us to all act socialist. Of course greedy people who hoard their wealth will likely end up face punishment in the afterlife.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 07/02/17 2:18:43 AM #37:	shockthemonkey posted... tennisdude818 posted... shockthemonkey posted... tennisdude818 posted... If you're a Christian and you think God is a socialist, can you explain why we even have free will? What? If God wants the government to force "virtue" through the barrel of a gun, why didn't God just force it himself and skip the middleman? That applies to literally anything that god supposed wants. If he wants people not sin then why give us the ability to sin? I'm not religious but I can guess. He wants us to not commit adultery, and he gave us the ability to either choose to be faithful or cheat. He wants us to help the poor so... he wants a political elite to control resources and use the threat of deadly force on market participants who refuse to fall in line? It seems out of step to me. I guess if the Pope wanted people who use the Lord's name in vain to face stiff legal consequences that would make his economic views seem more consistent. Of course I don't accept the premise that socialism even helps the poor anyway, but I don't expect Pope Francis to realize that. <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:882186684] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>If you're a Christian and you think God is a socialist, can you explain why we even have free will?</quote> What?</quote> If God wants the government to force "virtue" through the barrel of a gun, why didn't God just force it himself and skip the middleman?</quote> That applies to literally anything that god supposed wants. If he wants people not sin then why give us the ability to sin?</quote> I'm not religious but I can guess. He wants us to not commit adultery, and he gave us the ability to either choose to be faithful or cheat. He wants us to help the poor so... he wants a political elite to control resources and use the threat of deadly force on market participants who refuse to fall in line? It seems out of step to me. I guess if the Pope wanted people who use the Lord's name in vain to face stiff legal consequences that would make his economic views seem more consistent. Of course I don't accept the premise that socialism even helps the poor anyway, but I don't expect Pope Francis to realize that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 07/02/17 2:25:05 AM #39:	shockthemonkey posted... tennisdude818 posted... shockthemonkey posted... tennisdude818 posted... shockthemonkey posted... tennisdude818 posted... If you're a Christian and you think God is a socialist, can you explain why we even have free will? What? If God wants the government to force "virtue" through the barrel of a gun, why didn't God just force it himself and skip the middleman? That applies to literally anything that god supposed wants. If he wants people not sin then why give us the ability to sin? I'm not religious but I can guess. He wants us to not commit adultery, and he gave us the ability to either choose to be faithful or cheat. He wants us to help the poor so... he wants a political elite to control resources and use the threat of deadly force on market participants who refuse to fall in line? It seems out of step to me. I guess if the Pope wanted people who use the Lord's name in vain to face stiff legal consequences that would make his economic views seem more consistent. Of course I don't accept the premise that socialism even helps the poor anyway, but I don't expect Pope Francis to realize that. "I'm not religious and I don't like socialism so let me explain both together" is not a good premise for a post. Not an argument. My first post was to ask for an explanation. I didn't recieve a good one yet. <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:882186854] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>If you're a Christian and you think God is a socialist, can you explain why we even have free will?</quote> What?</quote> If God wants the government to force "virtue" through the barrel of a gun, why didn't God just force it himself and skip the middleman?</quote> That applies to literally anything that god supposed wants. If he wants people not sin then why give us the ability to sin?</quote> I'm not religious but I can guess. He wants us to not commit adultery, and he gave us the ability to either choose to be faithful or cheat. He wants us to help the poor so... he wants a political elite to control resources and use the threat of deadly force on market participants who refuse to fall in line? It seems out of step to me. I guess if the Pope wanted people who use the Lord's name in vain to face stiff legal consequences that would make his economic views seem more consistent. Of course I don't accept the premise that socialism even helps the poor anyway, but I don't expect Pope Francis to realize that.</quote> "I'm not religious and I don't like socialism so let me explain both together" is not a good premise for a post.</quote> Not an argument. My first post was to ask for an explanation. I didn't recieve a good one yet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medz2017 07/02/17 2:29:47 AM #40:	The United States of America is a Union --- Hi <cite>Medz2017 posted [p:882186987] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>The United States of America is a Union</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaverickXeo 07/02/17 3:05:35 AM #41:	SGT_Conti posted... Is the Christian Labour Association of Canada the union everyone should aspire to That was one I was a part of... and the answer is no. Half of the employees should not be allowed to work where they are. --- --- MaverickXeo --- <cite>MaverickXeo posted [p:882188013] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>SGT_Conti posted...</cite> <quote>Is the Christian Labour Association of Canada the union everyone should aspire to</quote> That was one I was a part of... and the answer is no. Half of the employees should not be allowed to work where they are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LysistrataMedea 07/02/17 3:06:29 AM #42:	remember Pope Benedict... lol --- don't look ahead, there's stormy weather <cite>LysistrataMedea posted [p:882188039] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>remember Pope Benedict... lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 07/02/17 3:10:12 AM #43:	voldothegr8 posted... Unions are great in theory but many are abused to hell and back. lol? --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:882188133] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Unions are great in theory but many are abused to hell and back. </quote> lol?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 07/02/17 3:51:17 AM #44:	I think very few people oppose unions flat out. They just oppose unions who strike/complain over minor things --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:882189140] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>I think very few people oppose unions flat out. They just oppose unions who strike/complain over minor things</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 07/02/17 4:06:45 AM #45:	UnfairRepresent posted... They just oppose unions who strike/complain over minor things like what --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:882189494] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> They just oppose unions who strike/complain over minor things</quote> like what</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 07/02/17 4:08:25 AM #46:	Unions are alright as long as they don't gain power at the state level. With this in mind, I'm not particularly fond of public sector unions either. --- http://i.imgur.com/A0TAfek.png <cite>TheMikh posted [p:882189523] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>Unions are alright as long as they don't gain power at the state level. With this in mind, I'm not particularly fond of public sector unions either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 07/02/17 11:24:45 AM #47:	shockthemonkey posted... Callixtus posted... The Deadpool posted... Gojak_v3 posted... I didn't say you should disagree with him. I'm saying it's a transparent attempt to further an agenda. Wait, you think the OP was trying to secretively agree with the Pope? And you're just the genius detective who figured it out? The OP doesnt give a shit about what the pope has to say 99% of the time. But the TC is more than willing to ignore the fact that the pope's views on labor issues stems from the same religious worldview that lefty types seek to eradicate any time they get the chance. Appealing to the pope is self-serving because he is actually a vehement enemy of everything the pope believes in. The left constantly argues that biblical Jesus is much more charitable and opening than modern Christians. They don't seek to eradicate that worldview at all. It's all the not-Christ-like behavior that they're pissy about. Why wouldn't they enjoy seeing a religious figure like Francis promote that side of Jesus's teachings applied to the modern world? Actually yes they are attempting to eradicate that worldview. Jesus' message of charity stems from his unity with God. The entire message falls apart if God is removed from the picture. That is exactly what the left wants. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:882200104] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't say you should disagree with him. I'm saying it's a transparent attempt to further an agenda.</quote> Wait, you think the OP was trying to secretively agree with the Pope? And you're just the genius detective who figured it out?</quote> The OP doesnt give a shit about what the pope has to say 99% of the time. But the TC is more than willing to ignore the fact that the pope's views on labor issues stems from the same religious worldview that lefty types seek to eradicate any time they get the chance. Appealing to the pope is self-serving because he is actually a vehement enemy of everything the pope believes in.</quote> The left constantly argues that biblical Jesus is much more charitable and opening than modern Christians. They don't seek to eradicate that worldview at all. It's all the not-Christ-like behavior that they're pissy about. Why wouldn't they enjoy seeing a religious figure like Francis promote that side of Jesus's teachings applied to the modern world?</quote> Actually yes they are attempting to eradicate that worldview. Jesus' message of charity stems from his unity with God. The entire message falls apart if God is removed from the picture. That is exactly what the left wants.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/02/17 11:34:31 AM #48:	Pope Francis: Pretty great on issues of economic inequality, and the environment. Not so great when it comes to stuff involving LGBT people or abortion. I would not have Christianity eradicated from society, I don't know why you're under the impression I want that. I oppose the imposition of anti-gay or anti-abortion legislation, which in this country is too often justified through appeals to Christianity. Also I recognize the separation of church and state and the need for public institutions to be inclusive to members of all religions, rather than pushing one at the expense of others. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:882200511] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>Pope Francis: Pretty great on issues of economic inequality, and the environment. Not so great when it comes to stuff involving LGBT people or abortion. I would not have Christianity eradicated from society, I don't know why you're under the impression I want that. I oppose the imposition of anti-gay or anti-abortion legislation, which in this country is too often justified through appeals to Christianity. Also I recognize the separation of church and state and the need for public institutions to be inclusive to members of all religions, rather than pushing one at the expense of others.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 07/02/17 1:43:43 PM #49:	Antifar posted... Pope Francis: Pretty great on issues of economic inequality, and the environment. Not so great when it comes to stuff involving LGBT people or abortion. I would not have Christianity eradicated from society, I don't know why you're under the impression I want that. I oppose the imposition of anti-gay or anti-abortion legislation, which in this country is too often justified through appeals to Christianity. Also I recognize the separation of church and state and the need for public institutions to be inclusive to members of all religions, rather than pushing one at the expense of others. You claim not to want Christianity eradicated and then promote policies that, if pursued, necessarily lead to the eradication or at least marginalization of Christianity. Thus like most leftists, you lack self awareness. --- KhanofKhans, KhanJohnson, Saloonist, Basileos <cite>Callixtus posted [p:882206179] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Pope Francis: Pretty great on issues of economic inequality, and the environment. Not so great when it comes to stuff involving LGBT people or abortion. I would not have Christianity eradicated from society, I don't know why you're under the impression I want that. I oppose the imposition of anti-gay or anti-abortion legislation, which in this country is too often justified through appeals to Christianity. Also I recognize the separation of church and state and the need for public institutions to be inclusive to members of all religions, rather than pushing one at the expense of others.</quote> You claim not to want Christianity eradicated and then promote policies that, if pursued, necessarily lead to the eradication or at least marginalization of Christianity. Thus like most leftists, you lack self awareness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SGT_Conti 07/02/17 1:44:31 PM #50:	Wait which part is the eradication of religion from a citizen's private life? --- "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." <cite>SGT_Conti posted [p:882206213] in Pope Franc... [t:75520420]...</cite> <quote>Wait which part is the eradication of religion from a citizen's private life?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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